Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 20. (Read 734910 times)

2,500 Azov troops are supposedly training in Colorado, USA..

http://novorossia.today/obama-moves-2-500-feared-ukrainian-nazi-fighters-to-colorado-for-reasons-unknown/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Wasn´t Insane McCain in the Ukraine conferring with his nazi pals what a week, ten days ago? Maybe there´s a connection, wouldn´t be too awfully surprised. That fruitcake is always crazy for death and destruction as is well known.

Speaking about Nazi crap... Right Sector started fighting in the Western Ukraine - near the Trans-Carpathia town of Mukachevo, where they used mortars against police forces, all the while SBU asking Right Sector to put down their weapons nicely, please, be nice guys...
http://ria.ru/world/20150712/1126281216.html

Right Sector now threatens to set up several block posts around Kiev, and in the Western Ukraine, and  send fighters into Kiev itself, using their "reserves which are currently in training" without distupting those that currently murder people in Donbass:
http://ria.ru/world/20150712/1126274549.html

Ukrainian Internal Ministry explained that Right Sector opened lethal fire first:
http://ria.ru/world/20150712/1126287850.html

Meanwhile, some light relief. Ukrainian Consule to Turkey arraived to a sports occasion, wearing a T-shirt depicting Putin with a writing "Politeness is our everything":
http://ria.ru/world/20150712/1126275797.html

Yes Nemo. Of course German industry has been slobbering in their dreams of a "New Czechia" in the Donbass for years. The German vassal state of the U.S. actively supported former pres. Yuschenko even after he made Nazi crap like Bandera and Shukhevych "Heroes of the Ukraine". This did not impede Berlin's support at all. Whores are always flexible to any situation and position they have to be in.

And that plan was in place and hasn't really changed for centuries.

- Before the 1812 campaign against Russia, Napoleon was presented with plans on how to split up Russia, designed by Polish General Sokolnitskij.

- Before the 1941 campaign, Hitler was presented with the draft for plan Barbarossa. (Interestingly, initially Poland aimed to be an ally of Germany and a beneficiary of the division of Russia, though it didn't work out for them again) There we can read:

http://warmech.ru/1941war/40a.html




We know how the above ended.

Interestingly, 1941 and "Barbarossa" was "only" a military continuation of an assault on Russia that was conducted during the colour revolution and the coup d'etat of 1917, when large parts of Russia were successfully split off. Russia cannot be conquered by the armed forces, but it can be severely wounded from within.

The other such strike happened in the Wild 90's by the hands of the US puppets Yeltsin and Gorby.

Now look at the proposition of division of Russia in the rhetoric of another Polish descendant, now serving US (instead of Napoleonic France) - Zbigniew Brzezinski. You'll see a lot of similarities... And Poland again is used as a convenient launching pad... they never learn.

And something like this was planned with Khodorkovskij, only it didn't work out.

Now plans a'brewing for another attempt at colour revolution in Russia and removal of Putin. And, as US Secretary of Defence said so precisely, the sanctions against Russia will be there until Russian Federation is broken up into pieces:

Negotiations to remove Putin. Evgeny Fedorov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCyUZjGV3Zg

PS: An interesting twist regarding Crimea. Napoleon planned to turn it into "another Riviera". Hitler envisaged it as the prime resort for the heads of the "Third Reich". USA had designs for it as a large NATO military base in the Black Sea...

Ukraine | Why Bandera Have the Largest Geo-Political Voice in EU

By George Eliason

OpEdNews Op Eds 8/1/2014 at 12:00:55

Part I of the Series- Bandera -- Into The House of Lector

Today with the support of Europe, Australia, Canada, the US directly, NGOs, the IMF and UN indirectly; Kiev enjoys an unparalleled geopolitical position. Whatever lie it tells is the new truth.

Commentators have been scrambling to make sense of this, and of how Nazism could have popped up so boldly with the support of the free Western World. We're told it only plays a small part in what is going on in Ukraine, but history is often stranger than fiction and in this case fiction is the story you have been told. Ukraine is a paradox: There has never been a democratic oriented government in Kiev and democratic protests were the ruse to get Western support.

From the late 1980's to Ukraine's independence in 1991, the Bandera world leaders looked at Ukraine sensing independence would soon happen. Their greatest concern in the run up to freedom was that there were no Nazis in Ukraine, or more precisely only a few, located around the Bandera capital of Lviv, with no political power. From 1991, with the help of the US and EU they have been preparing to change that fact radically. The paradox is that modern Ukraine's Nazi governments have always been active on the world stage. The only form of government the modern Ukrainian state has ever known has been the worlds longest continuing and most extreme ultra nationalist government the planet has ever seen. ..... tons more....

http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Ukraine--Why-Bandera-Have-by-George-Eliason-Communism_Extreme_Hitler_Ideology-140801-8.html




United without Hitler
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Yeah, yeah but perhaps they hope to get some benefits and handouts from hanging out with the expected winning side - like their blunder in 1941. They clearly listen to certifiable maniacs in the west so nothing can be ruled out.

The plan is to crash Russia and then divide it into smaller and manageable units without any power and suitable for exploitation by the corporate owners of said maniacs. It´s understandable that morons here and there fall for such pipe dreams. How many lies can you allow yourself to believe before you belong to the lie...

If they try to regain Karelia, then they will even lose the parts of South-West Karelia which they currently control. Finland is having a population of around 5 million, and the strength of their army is just around 8,000 (1% of that of Russia). And additionally, they are not a part of the NATO, so NATO won't support them if they provoke Russia in to a war.

Putin sounds upbeat.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that there were more chances for Ukraine crisis to be successfully resolved rather than for it to fail.

He also said efforts to resolve the crisis have been hindered by Kiev's reluctance to directly negotiate with the rebels in east Ukraine. (Reuters)

State Dept, Pentagon Split on Claims of Russia as ‘Existential Threat’

Kerry Rejects Marine Commandant's Claims About Russia
by Jason Ditz, July 10, 2015

The State Department today issued a statement publicly disputing comments by Marine Commandant and Joint Chiefs of Staff nominee General Joe Dunford, who yesterday declared Russia an “existential threat” to the United States.

“The secretary doesn’t agree with the assessment that Russia is an existential threat to the United States, nor China, quite frankly,” spokesman Mark Toner insisted during the daily State Department press briefing. He went on to say that the US and Russia have “disagreements” but that isn’t the same thing.

Gen. Dunford made the claims in testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee, labeling Russia an existential threat because of “recent actions” in Ukraine. He went on to list the top threats as Russia, China, North Korea, and ISIS “in that order.”

While officials often rail on about “Russian aggression” because they are backing opposite sides in the Ukrainian Civil War, it is noteworthy that the State Department still felt it worth disputing the presumptive new military chief’s assessment of them, and may suggest a significant split on US policy toward the Russians.

http://news.antiwar.com/2015/07/10/state-dept-pentagon-split-on-claims-of-russia-as-existential-threat/

I don't read Western MSM, and every time I take a sample, I see no reason to start... Saw yesterday in a Norwegian tabloid a hit-piece on Putin, where Russians were presented as a miserable, pitiful, oppressed lot under the dictate of "da evil Putin" who allegedly sends those poor Russians to a war they don't want. And the authour of the article was a 20-something "journalist". It was disgusting...
Well, the only truth in that article was that Russians don't want war, and that's why Russia/Putin stayed out of the Ukrainian conflict however hard the West tried to draw Russia into it, but that's something no one bothers to mention. If the reality does not match the desired state, report a different "reality".

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News from Donbass.

Ukro-Nazis exchanged/released some POWs from Donetsk yesterday. The youngest of them is a boy of 16. He was 15 when he was taken prisoner. Despicable.

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CyberBerkut published a document from the notebook of MinJustice of Ukraine, which details instructions on which TV/Radio channels to ban and which grounds can be given to deny people entry into Ukraine. Having on your person a photo camera/memory cards, notebook or other gadgets are grounds enough to deny you entry. ythis efefctively blocks entry to all - no "just" Russian - journalists:

http://www.cyber-berkut.ru/main/20150709_00.php

Who knows, maybe they still harbor dreams of Karelia, especially after having their heads screwed with for years by Americans, Brits and (again) Germans

Yes. Russian Empire was, in fact, a for-runner to modern federations.

Attesting to that is the fact that Finland, as a par of the Russian Empire, had its own mint and own coin line:
http://www.suomenrahapaja.fi/eng/about_money/the_history_of_finnish_money




Having it's own monetary policy is usually what defines a sovereign state. Finns forgot that now, falling for almost a century of anti-Russian propaganda.

Grand Duchy of Finland and Kingdom of Poland were autonomous units with their own legislatures, governments and constitutions.

It's funny but Grand Duchy of Finland had greater sovereignty as part of Russian Empire than modern Republic of Finland within the EU.

Well yes, it used to be just one very big Russia and not that terribly long ago. Former parts like the Finns and Poles are talking big now. But they´ll be more polite later when Uncle Sam gives up on its hopeless European adventures.

Map of the Russian Empire in 1914

Well, there is no conflict between "Russia and Ukraine". Russia has no bone with Ukraine (millions of Ukrainians live and work in Russia) and historically these lands were one and the same country. The same applies to Belarus. The "conflict" is rather artificial and one-sided, imposed by the West onto Ukraine so as to damage both Russia and Ukraine.

So in


it's not just the 20th century. Mixing up went for centuries, when Ukraine Russia, Belorus were "just" Russia.

Belorus and Russia are already cooperating. Ukraine did too until EU put an ultimatum that Ukraine must choose either EU or Russia, and then unseated the legitimate President, when he saw more potential in continued cooperation with Russia

Posting this here as well:

Finland’s denying visas to Russian lawmakers undermines OSCE’s principles — OSCE chairman
http://tass.ru/en/world/807298


Russian Foreign Ministry commented on Saakashvili's idea, calling it "sordid" and "unscrupulous":
http://ria.ru/world/20150709/1123020200.html

While Odessites tell Saakashvili to go home (looks like the once Mexican chant of "Greens Go Home", referring to the Yankie's green uniforms, giving Americans the call-name of Gringos in Latin-America)
http://ria.ru/world/20150615/1070040412.html

NUDELMAN’S NEW WAR, NULAND’S NEMESIS – WILL GREECE, OR WON’T GREECE BE DESTROYED TO SAVE HER FROM RUSSIA, LIKE UKRAINE?

By John Helmer, Moscow



A putsch in Athens to save allied Greece from enemy Russia is in preparation by the US and Germany, with backing from the non-taxpayers of Greece – the Greek oligarchs, Anglo-Greek shipowners, and the Greek Church. At the highest and lowest level of Greek government, and from Thessaloniki to Milvorni, all Greeks understand what is happening. Yesterday they voted overwhelmingly to resist. According to a high political figure in Athens, a 40-year veteran, “what is actually happening is a slow process of regime change.”

Until Sunday afternoon it was a close-run thing. The Yes and No votes were equally balanced, and the margin between them razor thin. At the start of the morning, Rupert Murdoch’s London Times claimed “Greek security forces have drawn up a secret plan to deploy the army alongside special riot police to contain possible civil unrest after today’s referendum on the country’s future in Europe. Codenamed Nemesis, it makes provision for troops to patrol large cities if there is widespread and prolonged public disorder. Details of the plan emerged as polls showed the ‘yes’ and ‘no’ camps neck and neck.” Greek officers don’t speak to the Murdoch press; British and US government agents do.

“It was neck to neck until 3 pm,” reports the political veteran in Athens, “then the young started voting. “
Can the outcome — the 61% to 39% referendum vote, with a 22% margin for Oχι (No) which the New York Times calls “shocking” and a “victory [that] settled little” – defeat Operation Nemesis? Will the new Axis – the Americans and the Germans – attack again, as the Germans did after the first Greek Oχι of October 28, 1940, defeated the Italian invasion?

The Kremlin understands too. So when the State Department’s Victoria Nuland (nee Nudelman; lead image, right) visited Athens to issue an ultimatum against breaking the anti-Russian sanctions regime, and the Anglo-American think-tanks followed with warnings the Russian Navy is about to sail into Piraeus, the object of the game has been clear. The line for Operation Nemesis has been that Greece must be saved, not from itself or from its creditors, but from the enemy in Moscow. The Russian line has been to do nothing to give credence to that propaganda; to wait and to watch.

As the head of State’s Bureau of European and Eurasian affairs, Nuland is the official in charge of warmaking in Europe. Her record in the Ukraine has been documented here. Almost unnoticed, she was in Athens on March 17 to deliver two ultimatums. The communique released by the US Embassy in Athens was headlined, “we want to see prosperity and growth in Greece.”

What Nuland (above, left) was doing with her hands is in the small print of the release. She told Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras (right) not to break ranks with the NATO allies against Russia. “Because of the increasing rounds of aggression in eastern Ukraine” she reportedly said the US is “very gratified that we’ve had solidarity between the EU and the U.S., and that Greece has played its role in helping to build consensus.”
Nuland also warned Tsipras not to default on its debts to Germany, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Tsipras was told “to make a good deal with the institutions”. The referendum Tsipras called on June 27 was a surprise for Nuland. The nemesis in Operation Nemesis is the retribution planned for that display of Greek hubris.

Having thundered for a year on the illegitimacy of the March 2014 referendum in Crimea, saying yes to accession to Russia, the State Department ignored the Greek referendum for forty-eight hours. On June 29, asked what the US government was thinking of doing if the outcome “is a no vote”, Nuland’s spokesman, Mark Toner, said the US would ignore it. “We’re focused on, frankly, the opposite, which is finding a path forward that allows Greece to continue to make reforms, return to growth, and remain in the Eurozone.”

The only other official Washington reference to the Greek referendum came on June 30 when the question at the State Department daily briefing was: “what are you doing within the International Monetary Fund, of which the U.S. is the largest shareholder, to try to also press from that side for more leniency with the Greeks?” The official reply: “we’re carefully monitoring the situation…we continue to believe that it’s important that all sides work together to get back to a path that’s going to allow Greece to resume reforms and to return to growth within the Eurozone. But again, we’re monitoring this very closely.”

The last concerted attempt the US government made to overthrow an elected Greek government was against Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou between 1987 and 1989. With his son and successor George Papandreou, there was no such necessity – George and his mother Margarita Papandreou were already under Washington’s control. But against Andreas serious counter-measures were required. Military ones, of the type which ruled Greece between 1967 and 1974, had been unpopular domestically and internationally. They were demonstrably costly; they also discredited the US and NATO military which stood behind the Athens junta.

So, the Reagan Administration decided Papandreou had to be overthrown by his own people, if possible at an election. The strategy was “to give Papandreou enough rope to hang himself”, said Robert Keeley the US Ambassador to Athens at the time. That too was an Operation Nemesis of sorts – the plan was for Papandreou’s hubris to be defeated in front of the Greek electorate, first in a military showdown in the Aegean with Turkey, then in an allegation of bribery of the prime minister by a Greek banker and football club owner.

Papandreou with Turgut Ozal, Turkey’s Prime Minister, in March 1987 – before the Greek victory and Ozal’s collapse.

Both were neutralized in surprise Greek moves US officials had not anticipated. The Turks retreated after a display of combined Greek and Bulgarian force, and the Turkish Prime Minister was medivaced to a Houston, Texas, cardiology clinic. George Koskotas, Papandreou’s accuser, was arrested in Boston and returned to a Greek jail. Hubris reversed, you might say. For more, read this.

On Sunday, had Greek voters divided evenly down the old Civil War lines, right versus left, blue versus red, the security forces would have been mobilized to confront demonstrators on Maidan, er Syntagma Square, and sharpshooters deployed from the roof of the Grande Bretagne Hotel to kick off Operation Nemesis. To prepare hearts and minds for that, however, the think-tank army has failed almost totally, firing blanks in every direction but Greece.

In London the US-funded Legatum Institute skipped the poll evidence and panel discussions, attacking Venezuela, China, Syria and Russia instead for using “phenomena previously associated with democracy—elections, the Internet, the press, the market—to undermine freedoms”, along with “the self-organising potential of society.” Legatum left Anne Applebaum by herself to announce the Greek government can be overthrown because it was “elected on a completely false premise”.
The Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House), the thunderer against Russian info-warfare last month, has since roared on Tunisian and Nigerian democracy; this week it is preparing for a panel discussion on “the progress that Kyiv has made in increasing transparency and reforming key government institutions”. Chatham House has stayed silent on Greek democracy and the referendum.

In Washington, the International Republican Institute (IRI) – motto, “helps democracy become more effective where it is in danger” — has been issuing its State Department-funded democracy polls for months, but for Ivory Coast and Zimbabwe; not for Greece. At the same time, the National Democratic Institute (NDI) has been preoccupied with its democracy schemes in Georgia, Iraq, and Kosovo.
The Pew Research Centre in Washington tried anticipating the Greek referendum by surveying 2.5 million Twitter messages in Greece, and publishing the results on July 3. In the Greek language the tweets were 40% to 33% in favour of voting Yes. In the English language the Greek tweets ran 32% to 7% in favour of Yes. In the event, the social media results were contrived. If Pew hadn’t invented them, the large numbers of “neutral” tweets all turned into No votes on the day. ...more

http://johnhelmer.net/?p=13712#more-13712

Thus Der Volkssturm of Pornoshenko and Ukraine´s Himmler wannabes.

Anyway, it isn´t so much about size as good training, leadership and motivation. I doubt that this joke of military has many decent officers by now, not least after nazis and other fruitcakes in power started appointing generals and they then picked staff of the same ilk. Like the Russians say a fish rots from the head down.

Hence Der Volkssturm of Pornoshenko and Ukraine´s Himmler wannabes.

Anyway, it isn´t so much about size as good training, leadership and motivation. I doubt that this joke of military has many decent officers by now, not least after nazis and other fruitcakes in power started appointing generals and they then picked staff of the same ilk. Like the Russians say a fish rots from the head down.