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...and full name registration, typical of a NATO bot.

He, he... I am a "NATO bot"! What an honour!!!  Cheesy So you didn't like my opinion..
Nacists also were certain that occupying other countries and killing people on their land is OK. Stalin also thought the same. And now Kremlin with it's propaganda has awoken Russizm. That' s not good for Ukraine, not good for Europa and not good for the World.. and at the end it won't be good for Russian people and for the spiritually and culturally rich "Velikij Rusj". That's a pity. But that is how mass propaganda works  Undecided. Brainwashed Germans by Hitler and Gebels from the late 1930-ties till the end of WWII where very "Krutye"... And so you are - Nemo1024 and 247crypto, spreading Putins lies 24/7.. Take a deep breath and think at least for a minute, what a big disaster can bring this Kremlin's invasion. Try to be at least for a little bit more intelligent.
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Oh, yeah, Pagan strikes back.  Roll Eyes

Who's that Pagan, and what is he famous for? Cheesy

He's been known to artillery-post this thread praising Kiev at approximately the same time as Kiev artillery-shelled civilians of Novorossia. Then he disappeared for about a month...
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Who's that Pagan, and what is he famous for? Cheesy
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Oh, yeah, Pagan strikes back.  Roll Eyes
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Кceния Coбчaк

Boт и вce.
Кaлинингpaдcкaя Hapoднaя Pecпyбликa.
Xвaтит кopмить Mocквy.
17 aвгycтa, гoвopят, cxoд.



https://www.facebook.com/kseniasobchak/photos/a.647986671900636.1073741832.203063579726283/827626070603361/?type=1
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17 aвгycтa в Hoвocибиpcкe пpoйдeт "Mapш зa фeдepaлизaцию Cибиpи". Eгo глaвный лoзyнг: "Xвaтит кopмить Mocквy!"  Cheesy



http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia/2014/07/140731_siberia_federalisation.shtml?ocid=socialflow_twitter


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Master chess player makes the brilliant move of censoring a small woman, to show the world his awesome power and strength.

Advocate Vera’s Interview on Siberian Separatism Censored by Russian Prosecutors

 August 4, 2014Russia|Censorship, Russia, Sayan Andriyanov, Siberia, Slon.ru, Vera Kichanova|By: Casey Given   

On Friday, August 1st, the Russian news site Slon.ru received notice from state prosecutors that it had 24 hours to remove an article written by Advocate Vera Kichanova. The piece was an interview with the artistArtem Loskutov describing the political movement to create a Siberian Republic as a part of Russia. In the face of this censorship, Young Voices has decided to post the full interview below.

A “march for federalization of Siberia” is planned for August 17th in the unofficial Siberian capital of Novosibirsk, under the slogan “Enough feeding Moscow.” “Our goal is to create a Siberian Republic as part of Russia,” explain the protest organizers in their official group on VK.com, Russia’s Facebook equivalent (the group was blocked on August 1st by request of the Prosecutor General).

They believe federalization will allow Siberians to introduce rebates and wage premiums for those living in areas “with harsh climate conditions” and ensure fair distribution of revenues between local and federal budgets. The march organizers will also demand greater autonomy for local authorities from the federal government, citing the Russian constitution. A group of Novosibirsk activists and artists have been promoting the idea of Siberian autonomy for quite a long time.

Before the 2010 Russian census, a Novosibirsk musician, Sayan Andriyanov, and artists Konstantin Eremenko and Artem Loskutov held a press conference urging locals to state their ethnicity as “Siberian” to census officials. The census showed that 4,116 people followed their call, while the previous 2002 census counted only 10 “Siberians” across Russia. Slon.ru interviewed Artem Loskutov, organizer and promoter of increasingly popular “Monstrations” – mock rallies with absurd slogans and signs – and long-time advocate of Siberian autonomy.

Did you come up with the idea of the march? I’m not an ideologist. Everything is very decentralized, as befits those advocating decentralization. I will take part in this protest as on ordinary person who cares about the future of Siberia and Russia as a whole. I’ve been interested in this issue, shooting movies and trying to stir up the people. Now a new wave is coming, caused by the recent events we all know about [the Russian-backed "federalization" movement in Eastern Ukraine].

Did you purposely name the protest a “march for federalization” to create an association with the DPR and LPR [the pro-Russian separatist quasi-republics in Eastern Ukraine]? Sure, isn’t it obvious? If we are offered such rhetoric as legitimate, we are going to use it. But one of the organizers did explicitly state in an interview that we don’t endorse Russia’s political support for the people’s republics.

Is there a real influence of the events in Eastern Ukraine on autonomy ideas in Russian regions? There is a great influence, it’s the leading topic of the last few months.

Is Artem Loskutov planning to appoint himself People’s Mayor of Novosibirsk [akin to the multiple "people's mayors" in Eastern Ukrainian towns under rebel control]? I’m not ready to comment on that. Has your march been sanctioned? How many people do you expect to attend? I’m not working on the sanctioning process, other people will do it soon. I hope the protest will be sanctioned, but I don’t know how many people will come.

I can’t help but ask: isn’t a call for separatism illegal under the new law? It’s not about separatism, it’s in full compliance with the law. We are talking about creating a new region within Russia.

Is it only Siberia that deserves federalization or do other regions need more autonomy as well? Everyone deserves it. Our constitution provides for independence of regions, the law just has to be put to work. We must have as much autonomy as possible. It’s stupid to live in Siberia according to laws pushed from St. Petersburg by Milonov [a St. Petersburg regional ultraconservative MP notorious for introducing the discriminatory law banning "gay propaganda", now active nationwide]. Siberia gives away her resources and gets piles of dumb laws in return.

How long have you been fighting for Siberian independence? The movement has existed since the mid-19th century. There is a street in Novosibirsk named after Potanin, the founder of the movement. This has quite a history, and talk that Siberia has colony status – and that it isn’t right – has been around for over 100 years.

Has this idea seen an upsurge in popularity thanks to the artists’ efforts? I’ve seen several waves. In 2011, on the eve of the nationwide election protests, a group of activists shot a movie “Oil-for-Nothing” about the awful state of intercity roads in Russia. All the good roads lead to Moscow and flights also go through Moscow, so you have to change planes in Moscow if you want to get from one city to another. And people have been seeing a certain imbalance.

Is this idea popular only among artists and politicians, or do people talk about it as well?   It’s the politicians who never mention it openly, but the idea is very popular among common people – just talk with any Siberian. Everyone understands Siberia is feeding the country by supplying oil and gas – the main resources sold abroad – yet Siberia isn’t the main beneficiary. It’s obvious, and no one can argue with that.

http://youngvoicesadvocates.com/advocate-veras-interview-on-siberian-separatism-censored-by-russian-prosecutors/
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Putin the master chess player makes the brilliant move of not buying weapons from Germany. What will this genius think of next?  Cheesy

Germany cancels major arms deal with Russia: report

Germany has walked away from a major arms deal with Russia because of the ongoing Ukraine crisis, a prominent German newspaper reports. The deal was already in question following the annexation of Crimea.



 The daily Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reported on Monday that the German government had canceled a deal to provide Russian forces with a fully-equipped combat training camp.

The newspaper said the Economy ministry revoked permission for the camp to be built, granted by Germany's previous coalition government to Dusseldorf-based defense company Rheinmetall. It claimed to have seen a "written document" that includes the decision to scrap the project, worth some 100 million euros ($134 million).

Vice Chancellor and Economic Affairs Minister Sigmar Gabriel already put the deal on hold in March in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea. At the time, the federal government described such a potential export as unacceptable "in the current situation."

Russia, though, accused Germany of acting under pressure from the United States and called March's decision "unconstructive."

German media says the military training camp would train up to 30,000 soldiers per year, using sophisticated simulation tools.

The report comes almost a week after the US and EU imposed broad sanctions on Russia - targeting its energy, defense and finance industries - in hopes the harsher measures would force Moscow to reduce its support for rebels fighting in eastern Ukraine.

The EU's sanctions include an arms embargo, a ban on exports of some sensitive technologies and a ban on the sale of bonds and equities by state-owned Russian banks in European capital markets.

US President Barack Obama told reporters last week that Washington would block exports of specific goods and technologies to the Russian energy sector, while expanding sanctions to include more Russian banks and defense companies. The US also suspended credit that encourages exports to Russia, and financing for economic development projects in Russia.

http://www.dw.de/germany-cancels-major-arms-deal-with-russia-report/a-17829442
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Another group of Ukrainian soldiers have defected and taken refuge in Russia. Apparently number around a dozen individuals.

http://rusvesna.su/news/1407132739

Some of the Ukrainian troops were not that lucky. Captured by the Donetsk People's Army.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc8sI8oblVs
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1500 lunatics are ready to surrender.
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Ukrainian Journalist Openly Calls for Genocide on Hromadske TV, Financed by the US and the Netherlands
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/01/ukrainian-journalist-openly-calls-for-genocide-on-hromadske-tv-financed-by-us-and-netherlands/

That video might be edited, though from listening to it, it does not seem the phrases are taken too much out of context. Still, I'd like to copy a set comments here, the last of which actually cuts to the heart of the East/West-Ukraine problem:

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This video is heavily edited. Actual context removed by russian propagandists. All copies of this interview distributed by the russian propaganda network abruptly end on the word ‘killed’. Previous sentence is removed also. Rough translation of the removed phrase:
“Problem is that we can’t use this resource, we surrendered it to the band of greedy assholes, remnants of party nomenclature who joined forces with local criminal clans.”
Later, he goes on talking about people who would kill him for trying to argue with them and it is obvious that he is talking about terrorist leaders, professional warmongers and criminal madmen. After that he is talking about giving “free sausages” to the rest.

Full unedited version is here, much harder to find:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hCD4RS9LsTI#t=1336

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Posted by Ytrnj | August 2, 2014, 1:54 am
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    FROM THE EDITOR: I am delighted you posted the link, which I was about to do in any event. And thank you, once again, for showcasing the true and pervasive nature of Ukrainian Nazi mentality – you possess it in spades. No further comment from me is necessary – your outline, particularly the part about “free sausages” speaks volumes.

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    Posted by Gleb Bazov | August 2, 2014, 4:22 am
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    Perfect display of an extremist. You focus on thing and leave out the context, overall tone and direction of the questionable journalist (see how I use diplo speak). You are part of the problem, not the solution. If you are indeed Ukrainian, the Ukrainian goverment must crackdown on you and likeminded.

    The core problem of the Maidan movement goes to the very core. I think any Ukrainian in the East and West could agree that greedy Oligarchs had to go and change had to come. Many peaceful families were right on Maidan to demand that. But then a small vanguard – mostly from the West – with extremists views took this movement hostage. Ironically, their violence was neccessary to overthrow Janukovich. All the peaceful families would not have fought against the police. In using violence, they set the tone for the future Maidan movement and the aftermath. People tend to follow the most extreme solution, others are marginalized. This way a minor political force (in Western Ukraine they are a major force), the Right Sector and Swoboda ideology, could gain political influence in military and administrative positions (4 ministers, general prosecutor, advisers etc).

    They set the further escalation in place: Turchniov, instead of cracking down on them, sent the army to the East, no further peaceful negeotiations were used. He feared a second Maidan. He then made a second mistake and gave weapons to these extremists and created National Guard battalions with them. Now they had even weapons and could easily overthrow Turchinov. Ironically, they were needed, because the army was in such a bad shape. This is were Poroshenko picked up and was in the same position: Carry on militariliy or face another Maidan by the heated public, influenced by extremists.

    With all these spilled blood, I can’t see any other outcome but disintigrating Ukraine. Ukraine may win militarily, but the hearts and minds of the Eastern people are lost. Many of them will move to Russia and live there permanently. Their skills will be lost forever. Families will be broken up forever. Those who stay, may settle in and go into a silent fear mode with their lifes for decades. Others will carry on with partisan fighting. And they will be good at it. The border to Russia is not controllable for anyone. If Ukraine wins militarily I can see a Northern Ireland scenario: Heavy military presents that put a dent in the economy, an antagonized split public and a goverment incapable of actually doing anything about it. The UK realized after decades of pouring money into Northern Ireland, they needed to reach out to the Irish after hundreds of years of occupation (Battle at the Boyne). Ukraine, on the other hand, doesn’t have the economy to sustain anything comparable on the bigger scale of Donbass (Donbass is bigger than Northern Ireland) and way more blood has already been spilled. Peoaple like you will be responsible in the end for the disintegration of Ukraine.

    And, lastly, to make it clear: You won’t get any money from us in Germany. 45 million (!) Ukrainians are way to much for our economy to deal with. Germans were fircely against giving money to 11 million Greeks and will be against giving even more money to the way bigger Ukraine. I am totally against any outcome that puts Ukraine close to us and my views are prevelant among Germans, forget the small part of journalists and their agitation, the population is not in your favour. You are on your own in any sense of the imagination and we will see sorrow about what you did to yourself, after dust has settled in. RANT OVER.
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Thios guy is a huge bodybuilder!


That was a selfy. He is not captured.
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