Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 233. (Read 734937 times)

Since Ukrainian economy right now is being controlled by the IMF, they can't just print more money as any truly independent state would necessarily do in the case of war to finance their growing military spending...

Svoboda and Party of Regions politicians fighting it out in the Ukrainian parliament. Even if the Ukrainian Army overruns the rebel bases, another rebellion is in sight. Still a lot of support for the Party of Regions in oblasts such as Kharkov and Odessa.

Yatsenyuk was complaining and raging a lot before his resignation... I'd say for a whole list of good reasons. State "treasury chest" is empty. No money to pay soldiers and police. No money to buy new nor to repair damaged weapons. No money to pay people in health care and education. Gas and oil storages empty. ATO is running sloppy and slow. Losses are much bigger than anticipated and growing expenditures are becoming unbearable. Parliament blocked in complete chaos. Government full of amateurs. President doesn't know how, or doesn't dare to use his legal authority on anything. Potential western allies are blackmailing, like in "hand us 50% of your gas and oil transportation network and then we might think about helping you. Sometime. Maybe. Or not".

Ukraine is really in deep shit and as Yatsenyuk said: "Hard, perhaps dramatic times are ahead. Help me God to be wrong". Well... you were already wrong when you started all this mess with your Maidan comrades, mr. PM. You reap what you saw.

So, new sanctions against Russia from EU, just because they can...
http://www.interfax.ru/world/387724

A CNN journalist is allegedly kidnapped by armed people, who identified themselves as fighters of Donetsk People's Republic:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/266536
He was kidnapped, when returning to hotel after a day of filming materials of the MH-17 crash

OCSE sends observers to the Russian/Ukrainian border, to the control points where there was extended shooting against Russian territory from Ukraine:
http://www.newsru.com/world/24jul2014/obse.html

USA announced that they have intelligence reports that Russia shelled Ukrainian territory, and that Russia plans to deliver heavy artillery units to the resistance:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1340290?utm_medium=rss20
I don't know... Is that the same evidence that they've been presenting so far: nothing solid, all hearsay. Besides, if Russia did indeed shell a Ukrainian position, that would be in accordance with Lavrov's prior warning that any new attacks against Russian territory will get a symmetric response.

And the most interesting news: Jatsenjuk has resigned from his post of Prime Minister of Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1339808?utm_medium=rss20
He has completed his primary goal of shipping all of Ukrainian gold to the US, backed by the promise of credits. Now he can disappear from the radar.

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!!!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/media-blackout-major-military-operation-in-east-ukraine-1600-soldiers-reported-killed/5392193

A very telling statement by Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov towards the end of the following interview:

If Russia is behind MH17 crash, where’s the evidence? – Defense Ministry
http://rt.com/news/175104-crash-evidence-antonov-defence/

Dzerzhinsk.
Kiev maniacs dead burned in fight.

http://zaytivk.ru/slavyansk2014?w=wall-66891726_31667

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-1Ls8oxiZ0

GRAD in Krasnodon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKXsx_TA4b0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OycyT4GnBCI

I think they will be allowed to remain in Russia (if they choose so indeed). They can get a refugee status (as many Ukrainians that had crossed the border already got), and if they decide to return, they might really face charges of treason. Also, we don't know for sure what will be going on in Ukraine in about three months, so anything can happen.

What will happen once their treatment is over? Will they be deported back to Kiev (or other parts of Ukraine under the government control) where they will face charges of high treason? Or will they be allowed to remain in Russia?

Ukrainian Supreme Rada acceted a law that will allow to disperse the Communist Party of Ukraine:
http://ria.ru/world/20140722/1017046501.html

This is the only party that is opposing full-scale manslauther in the East. Also remember, that one of the first things Hitler did, when he came to power was to disband the opposition parties, Communist party included. Poroshenko has been instructed well by his American masters.

Poroshenko's law of partial mobilisation got approved by Rada:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/07/22/n_6330593.shtml


It is interesting to note that Poroshenko holds the record for the number of derived derogatory modifications of his surname (most politicians in Russia and Ukraine have a name coined up for them):
Potroshenko (the ripper, butcher)
Porosenko (of a pig)
Parashenko (of toilet shit)

 

Russian hospital: Wounded Ukraine army soldiers cross to Russian territory, where their ENEMY takes care of them in hospitals, since their own army either finishes off the wounded, or just leaves them behind. Footage of actual wounded Ukraine soldiers in the Russian hospital:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCdOg1YwOU

Oh... NATO are "good boys"  belive not to Your eyes 

Its very hard to have an informed opinion on things that are happen half war around the world from where I am. I live in South Africa and can only try assimilate it to my own experience, of the madness of apartheid that almost lead us to a the same dead end that has transpired in the middle east, thankfully our leaders so it was a zero sum game and spared us that fate. There is still lots that is not yet right with our society and many scars that will in all likely hood take several generations to fade.

With the little insight I have on Ukraine, I see so much that is reminiscent of the nightmare of a centralised authority with no legitimacy attempting impose its ideology on others. Its not as if the eastern Ukrainians are asking the rest of Ukraine to submit to their authority they merely want the right to self determination. I see nothing wrong with this, its strange how NATO supported the breakup of the Balkans but is now exposed as supporting the fascist's in Ukraine.     

Sure there is meddling from Russia, propaganda exists on both sides but ultimately sympathy must lie with the people who are being persecuted for their belief in self determination and resisting the centralisation of authority. I confess I am an anarchist, far from the stereotypical view that anarchy leads to chaos I find it ironic that all wars are prosecuted by parties who shun this principal and those who resist it get labelled "terrorists". I see no justification for centralised authority the world needs individuals to take responsibility for themselves, collective autonomist behaviour produces more positive outcomes then centralised control. The crypto community is testament to this principal, the sooner it is applied to the socio political arena the greater the chance for peace.

For all our sakes I look forward to the day decentralised blockchain technologies like Bitvote etc. remove the parasitic dependency of centralised authority.

Kiev forces attack city of Donetsk, civilian casualties reported
http://rt.com/news/174360-donetsk-ukraine-kiev-attack/

Russian ministry of Foreign affairs published the English version of the second part of the "White Book", pertaining to breech of human rights and the supremacy of law in Ukraine:
http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8!OpenDocument

While the West is raging, Russia quietly collects the evidence of crimes. The final goal is a Nürenberg-style process over the war criminals in Kiev and their Westerns backers.

That argument goes for all the mainstream media sites. If RT is pro-Russian, then sources such as CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, Faux News, Al Jazeera, BBC.etc are heavily pro-NATO. Anyway... there should be media from both the sides covering the events, not just the pro-US ones.

Now, on to something more interesting:

Lavrov made a statement that if it turns out at an artillery firing point that shells Russian territory turns out to be doing so deliberately, it will have to be actively suppressed with return fire:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405683573

On Friday there was a new round of shelling of Russian territory, so 90 people from Kujbyshev region in Rostov Oblast' had to be evacuated.

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Ukrainian army started heavy and random shelling of residential areas of Severodonetsk from "Grad" (video):
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405681499

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Enemy punitive battalions advance on Lugansk from three fronts. Streets are being shelled. 9 civilians are killed today:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405683012

No, if you cared to look, I also reference ITAR-TASS, RIA, Gazeta.ru, Interfax and other independent Russian news channels.

And with that, here is my magic incantation "Troll begone".