Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 65. (Read 734725 times)

those weren't teleported from Irak that's fore sure...

of course to mariupol, no more bs, by foot to Crimea, if the ukies were free (ie not under IMF occupation) they would automatically surrender what ever... the others options is death... unless they have an exit route and are just mercenaries...

Let's see what was happening in Novorossia...

Yesterday saw an interesting incident with a BBC film crew. For the first time in the last year they came to DNR with the task report how the DNR army is breaking the Minsk agreement. BBC chose to report from the ravaged Donetsk airport (see how bad people in Donetsk destroyed their airport). Ukros were obviously not informed about this feat as at that moment they started their customary round of shelling at the airport. BBC crew weathered out 3 hits before beating a hasty retreat, and yet, the reporter managed to pant into the mic that is is Donetsk army shelling its own territory (for fun?) - never mind that the projectiles would have to perform a U-turn in mid-air to come in from Ukrainian territory.

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Today, NAF managed to capture two Western trophies in Debaltsevo:

An armoured vehicle - Hummer
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/2/19/730583.html

And an American sniper, who was captured alive:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/2/19/730570.html

Also, a surrendered Ukrainian officer told about Western advisors in the ranks of "Azov" punisher battalion, equipped with better weapons and com:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/2/19/730477.html


There was also a large number of Ukro-army trophies, e.g. 90 tanks:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/2015/02/19/6418753.shtml
The confrontation is shifting to Mariupol now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7N0GJqXcuU

 

Yeah exactly, sounds like the opposition the Russian military would just love to have. 

The Ukrainian supreme command are not as brain dead as they are presumptuous and haughty, arrogant and divorced from reality.

On the other hand, you never know where you have those crafty Russians. Maybe THEY have been systematically rendering the Ukrainian military brain dead since the Soviet Union came apart. It´s unlikely that military cooperation and training disappeared overnight. Those wankers are master strategists, never underestimate them.

My surprise is more about how these amateurs walk repeatedly into the same kind of trap, than their having later the sense of withdrawing in time. The Soviets were big on these cauldrons in their doctrine as are the Russians I´m sure. Evidently that schooling has been lost in Ukraine and been replaced by western girlie boy military wisdom.

Soviet military school has nothing to do with the recent Ukrainian military disaster in Debaltsevo (and Illovaysk before that).

If you think over this, there will be no surprise at all. Putin hit it on the nail when he said that ukies were too proud to accept small losses from former miners (no pun) and yesterday tractor-drivers by removing their troops from brewing cauldrons in time, and thus lost big time in the end.

I´ve been surprised at the limp performance of the Ukrainian military. After all they had a long Soviet School.

Yet, they fall into these elementary cauldrons. Not the first time, I seem to remember another disaster from last summer, Iglevorsk or something like that. It was smaller in scale but there the morons were caught in two pockets if I remember correctly. But most likely some U.S. military advisers have been pushing Hollywood ground combat tactics over there. If they´re out of their usual elements of blowing things up on a grand scale from afar, shooting up defenseless people and sitting on their asses in countless bases around the world - they aren´t of much use.

1. assassinate your commanding officers and those following him
2. remove your uniforms
3. throw the weapons away
4. run to Russia, show your body, ie no ied.
5. ask for forgiveness
6. tell all you know
7. start a new peaceful harmonious and maybe prosperous life
8. (learn Chinese).

welcome!

edit: of course the pocket was always to be novorossian... but you know why the euro-ukies-amerikis wanted to keep it uki? because they love hole... their brains have been "hard"wired (look a souldream).

OK.... a month ago, there were 8,000 Kiev troops in the Debaltsevo pocket. According to Poroshenko, 2,575 retreated to Artemovsk. Some 400 were taken prisoner by the militia. What happened to the remainder (~ 5,000)? Vanished in to thin air?

Ah, how interesting. Saw somewhere that the delegates to the Minsk conference were offered bread and salt on their arrival - just like the bread and salt offered to the Germans in Operation Barbarossa in 1941 when they arrived at the same place. Not sure if Merkel and her entourage had much of a clue.

Nord Stream is a direct route from Russia to Germany (the largest consumer of Gasprom in Europe, if I'm not mistaken). This was a logical and reasonable decision whether Poland joined NATO or not. Personally, I think it was primarily because of Ukraine stealing Russian gas now and then.

The Darling of Maidan

The modern Russian territory you're talking about did not belong to Russia at that time. Those were Polish lands, taken from them during the partition (1772-91), so when the country regained independence it had to establish borders, and both the Ukrainians and the Soviets didn't want to give it up without a fight. Thus we had a war with both of them. Actually I don't blame any side for that war, they had to duke it out and finally came to terms. Lvov used to belong to Poland along with a large part of todays Ukraine, so the conflict was inevitable.

The relations worsen since Poland joined NATO. Putin's answer was an import ban imposed on Polish food and later he decided to transfer gas to Germany around Poland (Nord Stream). On top of that when the Polish plane crashed in Smolensk, Russians were so sloppy with the autopsies that they mixed up the bodies and names and sent them back to Poland in sealed coffins. People buried their loved ones just to find out months later they buried someone else and had to do it all over again. And of course the wreckage has not been returned up to this day, although Polish government asked for it a couple times.

You're right people would come to terms much easier than our so called leaders. Most of them were raised and educated in completely different times, just like the brass that you mentioned. Times when you couldn't learn English, but everybody was taught Russian and members of the communist party were prioritized.

if you get to the poster you will see that he gets a paycheck from the ctrl+p team under the supervision of nudelgril... whoooaaa.

Some loser with more mouth than balls maybe, but I doubt it.

I'm curious whether it would be worth seeing? I mean who is allegedly going to run naked across Kiev, some creep?

what is funny is how the western capitals (sinners) are all saying that since this town was finally saved (pow), it's clear that there is no will of peace from the Russian side, and that all out war must ensue... anyway, they will do everything to protect their pigs a la dsk. Enjoy.

"If you take Debaltsevo, I'll run naked around Kiev carrying the Russian flag"--Euromaidan activists make commitments




http://fortruss.blogspot.com.tr/2015/02/if-you-take-debaltsevo-ill-run-naked.html