Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 94. (Read 734725 times)

Let me get this straight.

NATO = USA, based on financing and agenda.  OK, as long as we ignore the fact the UK and France are also nuclear/economic powers.

But...

Soviet Union = Georgia/Lithuania/Ukraine, based on financing and agenda?

Sorry that doesn't work logically.  Here, let me fix it:

Soviet Union = The Russian Kremlin, and everyone knows it except for a few useful idiots whose rational patriotism has decayed into delusional jingoism.

Jack Ryan Park Bench Speech (for Zerohedge)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq0ykF2mHgQ

ENDLESS LAUGHTER: THE ONE TRYING TO SCARE IS THE ONE SCARED TO DEATH

You read the propaganda press of bankrupt WEstern countries that Russia only has $50 billion reserve just so they make themselves appear "powerful and rich"  as if anybody can still be scared of them.

LOL, just read this: According to a recent Swiss Bank study, the latest study as of today, that is!

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"According to calculations (September 2014) by the BND the currency reserves of Moscow would have been approximately 619 billion $."

Compare that to the $63 billion reserve & $18 trillion (official; $100 trillion unofficial) debt of the bankrupt US. And the one with money is supposed to tremble just because the hobo tries to scare.

Actually, all the bankrupt WEstern Special Effects is just to hide one thing: the unstoppable rejection of dollar in world trade. THE ONE TRYING TO SCARE IS THE ONE SCARED TO DEATH.

I quote a genius in his analysis:

The ruble value is not collapsing vs. USD, but other way around. What we are witnessing, is acceleration of de-dollarization process. Mighty dollar is going out of circulation as dominant trade and soon as reserve currency.

Western run FX exchange rates are responding to lack of supply of dollar trades out of multitude of currencies in Middle east, Europe, S. America, Mexico, Russia, China etc. It means that volume of conversion trades to dollar crumples either due to collapse of economic demand for global trade or introduction of direct currency swap or both.

Dollar is now harder to find at FX, since it is out of the door of global trade, so one needs to pay extra to get dollars by converting its national currency. In near future dollar will be more and more scarce, but less and less needed, until it leaves circulation as a carrier of significant trade and investment volume. It is simple market failure just, speculation induced market failure at this point, limited only to FX since 17 trillions of freshly printed by Fed dollars other ocean of dollar denominated assets/instruments are frozen in N.Y. and are not going near FX exchanges. Otherwise we may have seen $60 to a ruble.

 

The inevitable but stable de-dollarization process should take decades, but NeoCon geopolitical madness accelerated the process, which will surely unleash dollar collapse as world, including US allies, turn away.


 

And about that shale gas:
Chevron announced that they will not be prospecting for shale gas in Ukraine (there goes the US' promise to Yats)

In other news:
Russia currently officially houses 225.000 refugees from Ukraine, having used 6.5 billion roubles to sustain them.

Talking about Yats, he continues using backward Western logic. Apparently it's now again Russia's fault that Ukraine will be having additional difficulties because Russian rouble is weakened relative to dolalr by USA's efforts.  
http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/12/16/n_6749657.shtml

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- DNR Army is pulling its tanks from the border zone observing the agreement.
- Ukrainian army violated the seize-fire twice today.
- Lavrov expressed worry that: 1) Ukraine is pulling more heavy military towards Novorossia; 2) West (USA) is more and more frequently and openly state an intent to send lethal military supplies to Ukraine.

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There is unrest in Odessa. Yesterday three bombs, went off in the city, one near the oil refinery, captured by Kolomojskij's men, another in a military conscription center.

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Protesters Prevent Kiev from Seizing Biggest Weapons Cache in Eastern Europe
http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/15/1883

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RIP



http://zenrus.ru/

BEWARE OF THE HOLLYWOOD SPECIAL EFFECTS: It is not actually working  so one should learn to read through the smoke! THose currency attacks didn't down Argentina, Iran, etc. so these are transitory smokes to feed the propaganda machine which nobody takes seriously anymore anyway. Things are not what they seem. THere are hidden wars there: while the propaganda goes that Russia is hurt by the low oil prices, there's a bigger casualty actually, the bandied shale revolution of the US which was supposed to be its economic salvation from its bankruptcy (meaning, its dire economic straits will be forever). So was Russia really hurting or was this one of those judo maneuvers of Putin where he seemed at a disadvantage only to use that to his advantage to throw down the enemy, (like what happened to the Maidan coup d'etat when he used it to get what he wanted).

REad this to get a clearer grasp on the propaganda smokes:


As hard as it is to believe - given the strength of the "Russia-is-doomed" meme - Crude oil prices for Russia (in Rubles) are unchanged since February... This is important as all costs are Ruble denominated while revenues are USD denominated, leaving Russian oil companies’ margins insulated despite the dollar decline in price. In addition, the Russian government is easing the export taxes which further improve the profitability of Russian oil. So as US Shale Oil sector is destroyed by its USD costs, it appears Putin's core energy industry is somewhat insulated... and America's late-80s "defeat The Sovet Union" playbook is failing.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-15/what-america-does-not-understand-about-russia-oil


 

THE FINAL COMEDY


Actually, the bankrupt economics of the US can't support its hegemonic ambitions anymore. What it does have is the "psywar" effects of its military - but that is only for "special effects"- when nobody is afraid of it anymore, it will be of no use in the long run as proven in previous bankrupt empires.

Meanwhile, its economic control of the world is fast waning- so it is fast engaging on "destructive capitalism" which it hopes will destroy its enemies- but more likely than not, it will be destroyed first because it is far more leveraged in the first place compared to its enemies.  



Gold-Backed Renminbi To Dethrone The US Dollar



Meanwhile the US appears to be doing everything in its power to hasten the relative decline of its own currency.

There is a new ‘big figure’ to account for the size of the US national debt, which now stands at $18 trillion.

That only accounts for the on-balance sheet stuff. Factor in the off-balance sheet liabilities of the US administration and pretty soon you get to a figure (un)comfortably north of $100 trillion.

It will never be paid back, of course. It never can be. The only question is which poison extinguishes it: formal repudiation, or informal inflation.

Perhaps both.

So the direction of travel of two colossal ‘macro’ themes is clear (the insolvency of the US administration, and its replacement on the geopolitical / currency stage by that of the Chinese).

The one question neither we, nor anybody else, can answer precisely is: when?


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-15/yes-its-possible-gold-backed-renminbi-dethrone-us-dollar


 

 

Dmitry Medvedev and  Vladimir Putin on the slopes

http://zenrus.ru/

 

Yep, Merkel demands that Russia refrains from demanding the percentages that are due on the loans to Ukraine. This left Russian politicians furious, especially after the latest statements from Merkel shovelling all the blame on Russia, when it was Russia that was basically been keeping Ukraine afloat for the last 20 years. 

Meanwhile Yatsenjuk still pushed Ukraine into NATO, telling what the Ukrainian people's role will be there (I can predict "cannon fodder")
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/15/nato/

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I remember Pagan was raging that Russia will recreate Nuclear Train Platform. USA made sure this most effective type of containment was removed when Yeltsin was the puppet on the throne. Well, it's official, the biggest spanner in the Western ability to strike USSR, will now be operational again in Russia. Previously such trains were built in Ukraine.

http://www.vz.ru/society/2014/12/15/720480.html

IMF says Ukraine will be bankrupt ‘within weeks’ and needs $15 billion more for war against eastern Ukraine; EU threatens Russia with more sanctions if Russia lets Ukraine go bankrupt; EU will lose billions on Ukraine if Russia won’t bail them out.

Beggars and butchers, that's today's Ukraine.

To keep this thread on topic, I stared another thread and moved our discussion there:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/russian-empire-rsfsr-under-ussr-russian-federation-894692

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The situation in Novorossia:
Ukrainian SBU (which HQ in Kiev is under US flag, btw) has clarified the situation concerning closing of Dniepropetrovsk, Harkov and Zaporozhje airports. They said it's because they are expanding the American Terrorist Oepration (ATO). Looks like witch hunts are starting there as well. Time for Zaporozhje Cossacks to one again write a rude letter to Sultan, this time Sultan Hussein Barak Obama.

But it is important. First NATO = USA, based on financing and agenda. Most of the new bases are created through bribes and threats of the politicians in the host countries. We can have this conversation again in 5 years or less, when NATO countries will start jumping ship, and some of the newest countries will be going first...

In the meantime:
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/14/this-is-the-germany-i-recognize-anti-nato-pro-friendship-with-russia-demonstration/


Now about the Tsar period. Whom did the Russian oppress then, pray? Russian imperial model was very much different from the British (who are the real masters of oppression. See: India). When a new country or territory joined Russian Empire, it did so on privileged position. The aristocracy of that country automatically became the aristocracy of the Russian court, with equal rights to the Russian aristocrats. And the peasants of the new territories were protected from migration from the original Russian territories - Russian peasants were prohibited from moving to the new territories. The relation were built upon trade.

So yes, differentiating is very much important. As for the Soviet Union, remember that for half of its existence, the leader of USSR and his right-hand-man were Georgians (Stalin/Gzhugashvili and Beria); Shevarnadze, Soviet Foreign Minister of the later days was Georgian; Lithuanian and Ukrainian party tops had a very strong sway in the government, Ukrainians heading USSR for several periods.

this is getting funnier. But we are using arguments which have seen better days,
oh, Just the typical American gimmick of choosing the arbitrary RIGGED standards which will just hide the truth. America has so  manipulated its data which are all screaming it is imploding but what the heck, let's just doctor the propaganda machine like the FAKE Wikipedia & everything will be alright? Italy, on its third recession since 2008, will be better than anybody if we say so? We can rig  the stock market & nobody will notice America is collapsing?

that chart showing 1 out 3 American children is in poverty is the most powerful proof it is in death throes.( that's from WashingtonPost btw)

Hello, the drama no longer works, my friend

it has become laughable  actually

lol

Since I've not insulted you, I command at least the same respect. Your statements - e.g. "to help you increase your IQ", "Everybody wants Russian kids because they are beautiful", "Russia certainly is richer than Italy, but Russia understands that some countries want to improve their genes and they always need  blonde hairs", etc. - only show your arrogance, racism and ignorance as supported by your failure to support your assertion with facts. A few example:

1) IQs while a useful way to screen potential recruits at Army recruitment centers or for Job placement is also biased. (Ref. 1). By the while I don't put my IQ rate out in a talk like i don't put my dick out when asking a girl/woman to go out to a dinner or a walk; in both cases, they must discover the hidden reality by themselves (no complaints so far).
2) Russia is not richer than Italy, it was the contrary since Russia GDP (PPP) pro-capita is betweem half and 2/3 of that of Italy; also, the distribution of the wealth here in Italy is greater than in Russia as shown by the two countries Gini coefficients. Italy beat Russia even in the UN's Human Development rankings. (Refs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7).

LOL, it just shows the desperation, IQ is not a prerequisite in recruiting trolls for the Evil Empire of Bankrupt Western States.

just to help you increase your IQ: Russia feels more confident now so much so that it has stopped  adoption of Russian children in the US in retaliation for the hypocritical Magnitsky law. Everybody wants Russian kids because they are beautiful. Can't blame them.

 Well, if there are still some in Italy, it was probably because it thought Italy was friendly , Russia certainly is richer than Italy, but Russia understands that some countries want to improve their genes and they always need  blonde hairs. Russia can always deny them if they insist on becoming clowns like the bankrupt Americans though

lol

What ever anyone may think of the current Russian administration, Russian people born outside of Russia are still Russian... if they say so. And why should they be second hand citizens in a foreign country, if Europe was about respecting for once the will of the people there. if they want to be part of motherland Russia, who are we to tell them no? It doesn't change the fact that any nation taking an aggressive posture toward the Empire will have to face the consequences of their choices, and as such concept like defending foreign born patriots can't be a priority when said nation will have to face the Empire weight is quite a delusive move. You can have an independent political will, but don't dream to be able to back it up military against the Empire. One who ever you are, the gap between you and the Empire is so wide that you can't understand it. What you see as the other side is only decoy... 2 it will cost you too much, and it's in the best interest of the Empire too, to scale down... but you have to go first. It can be a free logical and rational choice, or the result of a terminal action of the Empire against your military industrial and societal structures. Love is the closest thing to hate, don't fight the Empire of Love unless you want to die, and maybe take everything your ancestors produce with it... Why? Because of technological developments, there is less risk in preventing annihilation than letting anyone scale the ladders of war, we know all path of where it leads. Peace is harder, Love is harder, remember you are wasting our limited time on Earth, with trivial endeavor as wars... since inception in 1776 to this day, as One Continuous Experience. Remember that the goal of the Empire of Love is to build a more perfect Union, however it's impossible to do it without peace, peace can't exist as long as others are planning to destroy the Empire with what ever mean of violence, from lone individual to foreign state, domestic rogue agency, or even competing inpersonificated empire. there is no will to improve your union, however what ever you chose to do, you have to understand that the realities of the Empire will prime over your consideration, due to your lack of awareness of reality. We can't work toward peaceful reintegration with nature and our inner selves if you are still conspiring - fomenting - warring. fold, capitulate, surrender and we may be merciful, don't, and learn the less part of it, again, scaled, digitalized and more.

 

The argument of Russia being a victim because was an occupied country remind me of the same argument used by the Austrian government & people to avoid WWII responsability after the Nazi's Third Reich defeat. They failed, by the while.
Playing the victim is more easy to an human being than to accept responsability for the results of their actions (or no-actions). We have a plenty of examples in the human history.

Just my 2 satoshi.

I read your post & I cannot laugh over a children being in need, period.  Looking at the graph I understand Russia has no children at all? However, I know a lot of friends adopted Russian children in need here in Italy; so, maybe Russia is so good at statistics because embellish them by exporting her children in need to foreign countries?