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Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 97. (Read 734725 times)

legendary
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December 10, 2014, 12:12:11 PM

No need to repost - I was actually referring by it to you previous post with that link. ATO is the same "forces of light" as Germans were during WWII.

EDIT: Returned some of the context. And adding the following (some troll-repellent):

From the interviews with WWII veterans who fought against Germans, it appears that they were less vicious and brutal than the current ATO Nazis. There was less destruction of the civilian object during WWII from the hands of the Germans in Donbass as they conquered the land and needed the infrastructure. The Kiev Nazis seem to be destroying for the sake of destruction, aiming at residential areas, coal mines, factories.

And about "way to Russia": Whether you like it or not, Novorossia was Russia for hundreds of years. When in 1917 that traitor and mass-murderer Lenin wrote it off, bundling it with Malorossia and creating on paper today's Ukraine (irony: Kiev Nazis are now "thanking" the founding father of their state by toppling his statues), the people (mainly Don Cossacks, who were the pillars of Russia statehood and opposed Lenin) who lived there didn't stop identifying themselves and the land they lived on as Russian. And now snaps back into its proper course.

PS: ...and you are joining Pagan's company on a certain list. Wink
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December 10, 2014, 11:23:05 AM

No need to repost - I was actually referring by it to you previous post with that link. ATO is the same "forces of light" as Germans were during WWII

Yep, you right. Elves of the light were fighting against dark horde, against orcs. Sad they were beaten by dark forces.
And sad its happening again. Orcs are planning to destroy this world again. But they will never succeed.

legendary
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December 10, 2014, 10:58:21 AM

No need to repost - I was actually referring by it to you previous post with that link. ATO is the same "forces of light" as Germans were during WWII
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December 10, 2014, 10:38:27 AM
 @ChechenCenter

In the mountains of Ichkeria- heard shooting, Rus artillery firing at guess.Ppl say they are resisting to occupants dozens of ChRI Fighters.

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December 10, 2014, 10:30:44 AM
Chechen leader: militants' families to be deported

MOSCOW (AP) — Following a rebel raid that left 25 people dead, Chechnya's Kremlin-backed strongman said Friday the families of rebels who take part in killings will now be punished by being deported and having their houses destroyed.



Thursday's clashes in Grozny dented a carefully nurtured image of stability created by Chechnya's regional leader Ramzan Kadyrov after two separatist conflicts. The violence raised fears of more attacks in Chechnya and widening unrest in the rest of Russia's volatile North Caucasus region.

Kadyrov, who has relied on his feared security force of former rebels like himself to pacify the province, said he would avenge the deaths of 14 police officers, including his relative, who died in clashes with the Islamic rebels. He said 11 attackers were killed and 36 policemen were wounded. Earlier official reports had said 10 police officers and 10 rebels were killed.

In a message Thursday on his Instagram account, which Kadyrov uses to issue public statements, he said that "the time when they said that parents can't be held accountable for the action of their sons and daughters has come to an end."

He warned that a father who sees that his son has joined the rebels should report him to the authorities or stop him by any other means before he spills blood.

"If a militant in Chechnya kills a policeman or any other person, the militant's family will be immediately banished from Chechnya without the right to come back, and their house will be razed to the ground," Kadyrov said.



He said he wouldn't care about criticism from rights activists. International human rights groups long have accused Kadyrov of rampant abuses, including arbitrary arrest, torture and extrajudicial killings.

Kadyrov said he also warned local administrators and police officials that they would have to resign if any local man joins the militants.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-police-deaths-rise-14-chechnya-152057097.html
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December 10, 2014, 10:26:45 AM
 @ChechenCenter

Kadyrov is continuing burning houses of Chechen rebels' relatives. Chechen civilians are asking human rights activists to stop injustice.
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December 10, 2014, 10:05:12 AM
Heavy clashes in Chechnya

@ChechenCenter
B гopax Ичкepии cлышны пepecтpeлки, poccийcкaя apтиллepия cтpeляeт нa yгaд. Житeли гoвopят, чтo oккyпaнтaм coпpoтивляютcя дecятки бoйцoв ЧPИ

https://twitter.com/ChechenCenter/status/542399933945368578
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legendary
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December 10, 2014, 06:37:54 AM
Way for Russia!!
Fuck yeah!!


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December 10, 2014, 06:28:01 AM
http://youtu.be/_qDrPnqg69U

Is it possible to insert video in a post here?
legendary
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December 10, 2014, 06:14:02 AM
Interesting little piece of American history that has pretty much

been wiped clean and sent down the memory hole.

First I've come across this:

Hawaii under martial law was like ‘military dictatorship’ (1941-1944)

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/ww2-hawaii-martial-law/

Though this does not really belong to this thread, it does show how easily constitution and all it protects can be set aside. This is what we observe in Ukraine after the American-lead coup d'etat. If you say something not to the Nazi leaders' liking, your are likely to disappear.
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December 09, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
Interesting little piece of American history that has pretty much

been wiped clean and sent down the memory hole.

First I've come across this:

Hawaii under martial law was like ‘military dictatorship’ (1941-1944)

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/ww2-hawaii-martial-law/

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December 09, 2014, 05:22:51 PM
If they start accusing the Russians of ripping babies out of incubators

and throwing them on the stone cold floor I´ll be getting REAL concerned.

But psychopaths had a much easier time selling their fables back then

before the internet.
legendary
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December 09, 2014, 04:55:50 PM
Opednews fighting with MSM bullshit.

Russia Invades Ukraine Again and Again- Just Facts not the Fiction
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Russia-Invades-Ukraine-Aga-by-George-Eliason-Deception_Donetsk_Intelligence_Justice-Denied-141115-691.html

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Across the board all the journalists agree the same information is true. A ll of the larger media reporters accepted the statement of US 4 Star General, Commander of European Command, and 17th Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) of NATO allied command forces.

NATO's supreme allied commander confirmed The Daily Beast's report on Wednesday of Russian military tanks, artillery, and combat troops entering eastern Ukraine over the past two days. "Across the last two days we have seen the same thing that OSCE is reporting. We have seen columns of Russian equipment, primarily Russian tanks, Russian artillery, Russian air-defense systems and Russian combat troops entering into Ukraine," Gen. Philip Breedlove said. He said that they do not yet know how many. The linked article headlines with Thousands of Putin's Troops Now in Ukraine, Analysts Say .

The OSCE reports that correspond to the dates that the both the General and the MSM quote, read entirely different. Why didn't any of the highly paid professional journalists bother to read the OSCE reports just to fact check and see if the General left out anything important? The truth is they did. Some of the incorporated facts can't come from anywhere else.

The phrases used by the OSCE " the SMM observed a convoy of more than 40 trucks and tankers moving west on highway H-21(just east of Donetsk) and four T72 and five T64 -- moving west (inside Donetsk), also unmarked " was changed to "traveling away from the Russian border," "entering East Ukraine," and "from the direction of the Russian border" in the various articles.

What does the OSCE have to add that every reporter, editor, and military intel officer missed?

...

Instead of reporting on and asking why an active 4 Star General leading NATO would mislead them (lie) and bring the US a step closer to war, the world was treated to an invasion and reasons to ramp up NATO's posturing toward Russia. These reasons were fleshed out by the reporters and checked by editors.

...

Will any of the above mentioned news outlets and the others not mentioned feel any shame or change their tune the next time this is a convenient story to break? The answer is no. The publishing companies have a 50+ year relationship with the emigre community the Ukrainian diaspora leads. They have worked hand in glove that long hyping up the cold war, Korean war, Vietnam war, and now the war on terror. These relationships were never severed as the constant stream of propaganda shows.

Why would NATO lie about this? NATO's relationship to the Eastern European emigre community and especially the Ukrainian emigres goes back just a little further than the relationship to the press. The Ukrainian emigre's ran cold war intelligence. They provided the misinformation and deceptions that the current defense industry grew on. The politically connected (Bandera-nationalist party) emigres exaggerated Soviet capabilities and lied about intent. The US military and NATO grew into what they have become based on this misinformation. They also provided cold war strategy options based on the same misinformation throughout the cold war to NATO, the war on terror, and now Ukraine. They helped develop the US army psy-op division.
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December 08, 2014, 08:23:14 PM
Russian propaganda art  Grin

legendary
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December 08, 2014, 08:14:16 PM


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December 08, 2014, 05:09:40 PM
Hackers Dump Thousands of Rostov Police Documents on Internet; Evidence of Soldiers Wounded in Ukraine

InformNapalm, a website that has published exposes of Russian troops and armor in Ukraine, has recently leaked thousands of documents it claims came from the Russian Interior Ministry's branch in Rostov, near the Ukrainian border.

In an article titled "Ukrainian Cybertroops Dump Mass of Data from Servers of Russian Interior Ministry; Compromising Materials Found!," InfoNapalm.org reports that Eugene Dokunin, a Ukrainian computer programmer, is coordinating a team of volunteers to publicize and analyze the documents.

The archive has been posted on a Google Drive and contains 69 folders of 1.78 GB of files.

We have found some indication that the documents may be authentic, but more analysis is needed. The documents consist of a huge volume of reports, and minute detail on police operations using the kind of language and acronyms known to be used by Russian police, possibly indicating that these were leaked from the Rostov Interior Ministry,

To verify the materials, documents will have to be linked to other verified news reports and documents.

We found one such document in the archives, a report called "Manhunt," which describes a joint operation between the police and Federal Security Service (FSB) to look for people already on existing "wanted" lists. The report describes the capture of  Mikhail Shvindyakov, accused of robbery and larceny, whom we also discovered on the "wanted" list published on the web site of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. The same birth date and offenses were listed, but the cities of residency differed.

More such matches are needed to assess the legitimacy of the trove. Russian journalists and NGOs who are experts on police have yet to comment (we have sent out some queries and are awaiting responses.)

Ukrainian activists are digging through the trove and say they have found some materials that confirm the participation of Russian soldiers and law-enforcers in the war in eastern Ukraine. They say they found one document dated August 25, 2014, which appears to be a police report about four Russian soldiers, serving in Millerovo, who said they were wounded by National Guard fighters 10 kilometers to the northwest of the village of Prognoy of Tarasov District. As InformNapalm  illustrates, that would put it inside Ukrainian territory:


This document is posted to Informnapalmorg's site here. We were also able to find it in the archive here, in the folder labelled "Millerovo," a Russian town near the Ukrainian border.


Another document posted here contains information about 237 wounded persons from the region of Ukraine as of September 27. They were said to include two wounded soldiers accompanied by FSB guards. We have not yet located the document in the archive.

Some Twitter bloggers have posted some examples of these documents, but they haven't posted links back to the archive itself, so we can't verify the claims yet.

The files contain a huge grab-bag of materials -- a robbery of a jewelry store, theft of icons of a Russian Orthodox Church, 26 persons stopped for various traffic violations -- including 8 Romas from Ukraine without identification papers.

So they will have to be sifted through to find anything that is relevant to the war in Ukraine or other important topics.

For example, one police report is dated October 25, 2014, on "Administrative Practice in the Area of Ensuring Public Safety". After scrolling through reports of arrests for "petty hooliganism" and "drinking alcohol in a public place," we noticed the arrest of 5 administrative violators for "propaganda and public demonstration of Nazi attributes or symbols or public demonstration of attributes or symbols of extremist organizations" in Rostov, Volgodonskoye, Bataisk and Belokalitvensky District.

So the "Nazism" isn't only "in Ukraine" as Russian propaganda claims, but right in Russia.

A document signed by M.B. Doda and addressed to Yu.I. Kravchenko, a police colonel who is head of the Interior Ministry branch in Rostov, contains a blank form labelled "form for reporting on citizens of Ukraine who come into treatment facilities on the territory of Police Dept. No. 2 in Rostov." That could mean wounded soldiers -- or wounded civilians, we don't know.

Another document dated "June 2014," but with the day left out, is a report on "eliminating violations of federal law" by policemen themselves. Evidently the police were "ineffective" in their work in "stopping illegal migration" in the region. What this meant is that police had failed to properly inspect and register foreign immigrants -- likely from Ukraine. Russia doesn't seem to discourage immigrants from Ukraine so far and claims to be taking care of them, but they do apparently want to document them thoroughly and weed out those suspected of crimes.

Another document dated September 11, 2014 is "Order No. 1362" from the main directorate of the Rostov Interior Ministry office, signed by Maj. Gen. A.P. Larionov and speaks of the need to combat unlawful transport of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and drugs from Ukraine across the Russian border and outlines a number of measures to better tighten up and coordinate the work. Are authorities worrying about the war in Ukraine blowing back home?

Here's a document of arrests made by traffic police of truck drivers without their papers in order or illegal freight - drugs, alcohol, meat, nuts, metal, arms, ammunition, stolen property. Where are the arms and ammunition going to? And given how often we see Russian convoys roll into Ukraine without being stopped, why are some trucks stopped by traffic police?

In other words, the documents make clear what a strain the war in Ukraine -- instigated by the Kremlin in Moscow -- has put on the regional police authorities who must now cope with hundreds of thousands of refugees pouring across the border, and thousands of Russian-backed militants from the Donbass who come into Russia for training, supply and R&R.

We'll continue to look through these folders and report on any interesting findings.

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-294-fighting-continues-on-eve-of-day-of-silence/#5481

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxsQ108is142Q1dMcVNUc3J2U28
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December 08, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
The patriotic Russtards appear to be pretending they haven't heard the news...

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/related/2on802/russian_internal_affairs_ministry_hacked_66gb_of/


Oh, wait, I forgot about their controlled media brainwashing. Maybe they really haven't heard the news. Either way, there's no need to thank me for enlightening you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-3Iq3XQkAw

Your aggressive rejection of new knowledge has been noted. Smiley
legendary
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December 08, 2014, 04:16:51 PM
The patriotic Russtards appear to be pretending they haven't heard the news...

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/related/2on802/russian_internal_affairs_ministry_hacked_66gb_of/


Oh, wait, I forgot about their controlled media brainwashing. Maybe they really haven't heard the news. Either way, there's no need to thank me for enlightening you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-3Iq3XQkAw
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