Topic: DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 64. (Read 87857 times)

Seems a lot of work to give a Newbie post a NDA when all the frack they have to do is show a unit running as a demo......

I mean really, if this stuff exists...how clueless do they think we are....a newbie account with 4 posts for crying out loud saying I signed a NDA

trust me...sheesh....still smells....even it the units exist..they have pre-mined the f*ck out of them...they likely will be overpriced compared to prices when shipped

and likely IMHO late, with other excuses....

Scott Offord has been reincarnated! ! ! ! !

Phil, the information you've posted above is factually incorrect. When one searches the Colorado Secretary of State's database (http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/BusinessEntityCriteriaExt.do?resetTransTyp=Y), the search results show which entities are validly incorporated. It also shows "DBA" ("Doing Business As") results, which are also known as "trade names."

An entity that is transacting under a trade name (a.k.a. a "DBA") must disclose that it is operating under a trade name. Registering the trade name with the Colorado Secretary of State is required under Colorado law as it provides notice to the world as to the underlying entity or person accountable for the business. (See Colorado Revised Statutes, §71-101, "Statement of trade name required", available by searching the CRS from here: https://leg.colorado.gov/laws.)

The entire reason that a business's real name and ownership must be publicly disclosed is accountability in case the business is a bad actor. For example, a business must be held accountable by government authorities for criminal action or other wrong-doing, or a person or corporation may wish to bring a civil action against that business for some other violation of rights, such as fraud. If an entity were permitted not to reveal its business name, as you suggest, holding it accountable would be difficult or impossible not only for the government, but also for the average citizen. We don't accept that scenario in the U.S. among legitimate businesses.

Within Colorado, the state in which it has been operating (at a UPS Store private mailbox address), "MyRig, Inc." is not validly incorporated, it is not operating under a trade name or a DBA, and therefore we have no way to hold it accountable in Colorado if it is part of a long con with Halong Mining. To that extent, MyRig is not credible and fails even the most rudimentary due diligence test. Halong Mining's touted "affiliation" with MyRig casts doubt on Halong and the entire DragonMint product line until such time that those responsible for "MyRig, Inc." step forward and explain this discrepancy.

We'll be finding out very soon. 

I signed an NDA .. so I'm biased but I'm quite convinced of their legitimacy.

I will email him on the weekend. I don't care if  they are not revealing their business name.
Say it is:

 IBM dba MyRig,Inc
Apple dba MyRig,Inc

searching MyRig,Inc  will get no info.



Butterfly labs bult a lot of gear  that they mined with and did not ship.

I am not saying this company is doing that.   But until it gets into miners hands  most people think it is what happened or will happen.
So while I know the  gear is out there  it simply does not mean this ends how I want it to end.

Ie  I get an early rig  I get 4 more a few weeks later and pay for it all on a cc or paypal credit.

I have always maintained to wait to buy here would be wise  please don't preorder.

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(Moderator's note: This post was edited by frodocooper to trim the quote from Dr.Mann.)

With all due respect, Phil, we are left with much more than that. Unicornflex did us the favor of listing out many valid concerns that remain unanswered.

Even Adam Back points to Halong's affiliation with MyRig as evidence of Halong's legitimacy. Here's his tweet: https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/956149454549155841

But it is incontrovertible that "MyRig, Inc." isn't an "Inc." at all. Just go to the Colorado Secretary of State's web site (http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/BusinessEntityCriteriaExt.do?resetTransTyp=Y), as Unicornflex pointed out, and search for MyRig, and you'll find zero results. I have no doubt that MyRig provided a valuable service to some clients for months, maybe even more than 1 or 2 years, but MyRig could easily be part of a long con. We know MyRig claims to be validly incorporated even though it isn't. Red flag. Does that concern anyone else? Phil, will you please ask Yoshi to explain this disturbing discrepancy for us?

Finally, Phil, just because this thread has 70 pages and >33000 views does not mean that Halong has done its brand equity any favors by employing a "different PR style." The answer to that question remains to be seen. Do you believe that those who preordered from Halong, but who are now experiencing angst are likely to be repeat customers of Halong? Please do share with us what you learn from Yoshi about the early unit he's promised you. I hope you can provide some good news.

Just a different PR style

of which you are part of.

How many pages and views?

70 pages and more then 33000 views.

And  here is new gear with a next to perfect review


2 threads

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.26619428

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/reviewguide-avalonminer-821-110-ths-1200w-bitcoin-sha-256-asic-miner-2937129


12 pages ------ 5604 views and it does exsist

2 pages ------ 658 views and it is close to a prefect review


So  this thread got far more action  then the two Avalon 821 threads above.


We are left here with how do they service  this gear and ship it on time.

Yoshi promised 1 early unit to me.  I will shoot him another email in the morning to see if he has a timeline for me.

Yes, -ck's reply is the most solid information yet posted on this project. On the other hand, unicornflex's post is the most solid counter viewpoint, and everyone here should consider it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29757421

I'd like to pose the following questions with all respect to -ck:

1. If you were hired by a corporation to work on the DragonMint, can you please confirm that the entity is a legally valid entity and is incorporated in the jurisdiction in which it operates? In which country is Halong Mining operating?

2. If you were hired by an individual, and not by a corporation, can you confirm that this person has an actual first and last name, and that he/she has an identity that you can confirm from a reliable/neutral third party source? (I am not asking for his/her name, just that you know him/her to have a real name. So far, I can find no one who claims to be employed by Halong Mining.)

3. Are you able to confirm the identity of anyone else (especially engineers and management) working for or with Halong Mining?

4. Without violating any confidentiality agreement you may have signed (did you sign one?), can you please describe in general (or specific) terms the scope of work you are performing remotely on the DragonMint software, beyond just cleaning up the drivers?

5. Do you foresee any obstacles that are already pointing to a delay of the March DragonMint shipments, which are presumably right around the corner?

6. Are you willing to stake your credibility as a longstanding, highly merited user of the BitcoinTalk forum, that the DragonMint is real and it will ship?

Thank you in advance for your reply to these questions, -ck.

No, I am not a "BitMain" plant seeking to spread FUD.  I'm someone who actually paid for several DragonMints (more than the MOQ), and I hope I've not been scammed. I'm awaiting delivery in April ("Batch 2" according to my Halong receipt). I obviously want the DragonMints to be real, but I am not "cheering" for them because they are aware of the angst among those who preordered, but they don't address our legitimate questions, which they easily could do, and I find that irresponsible at best, and immoral at worst. Shame on me, because I did not do as much due diligence as I usually do before I made an impulsive purchase from Halong, so if I get scammed, I suppose I only have myself to blame.

One final thought. I have noticed that HalongMining's user account on this forum is very active (even with only one post). I've checked HalongMining's profile on this forum (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/halongmining-1306440) just about every day for the last three weeks. Without fail, the account always shows as "Last Active" within the last 12-18 hours. So HalongMining is presumably aware of the questions we have, but Halong won't make even a modest attempt to answer them. Why?

yeah  that is what makes or breaks them.

I'm convinced they're real based on this. I think the speculation shift for me is now on reliability, customer support, and delivery times.

Finally! Great news! Thank you!

The great DragonMint mystery. I uploaded a YouTube video yesterday highlighting what I seen so far from Halong Mining and that I was still not 100% convinced. To my surprise, Halong Mining retweeted my video, Adam Back like it and My Rig suggested I flew to Iceland, Spain or Hong Kong for a live demo. I'm glad my video got attention, but I still don't know if this is real 

I sure hope they can deliver.

https://youtu.be/Qk7G5HsbeFw

This is probably the most solid information I've seen from this project.

I hope for everyone that you receive the product you paid for, on time, and you are able to ROI quickly

This is exactly how I feel about this.

It is real and lets hope they do better servicing of the gear. Then other asic gear.

In theory yoshi will send me an early one say march 1 to march 15

then send my other 4 MarcH 25 - APR 5

So much for the accusations this is just stolen and refurbished Innosilicon technology, FUD from the Bitmain camp. I'm cheering for these buggers and hope they don't fuck up the production like so many before them did. We may finally have miner which will be real competition to Bitmain.

No idea on the hardware side what's going on as I've said previously. What I mean is they're uniquely different in terms of what software support they need to work which makes it clear they're different to any other hardware. So from my perspective, it's pretty clear this is different hardware and not just faked, even if I'm only getting to work on them remotely for now.

Any idea why they are only releasing such unclear videos, pictures and details about the hardware?

Or do you mean something else by the they're quite different to anything you've worked with before?

I'm now currently working on cleaning up the drivers for these devices. The code is the usual disaster area I've come to expect from in-house drivers but hopefully by the time you see the code it won't be so bad. Again, I'm only working remotely on them but they're quite different to anything I've worked with before.

No you did not miss anything.

There has not been any solid proof of a marketable product presented. This has been spun many different ways. Some say great marketing tactic, some say scam/vaporware.

Honestly whatever it is this product deserves no further attention until it actually materializes for the many people who pre ordered, or it goes up on the list of vapor ware.

The first thing that will prove some units exist and hash will likely come from Phil, when he gets the units he has posted about from Yoshi.

It is not marketing. 2 months ago, everyone was buying asics as numbers were good and now, no one is buying. U can get asics for less than the retail value on ebay. If it is about marketing and PR, these people did a horrible job. But their timing was good.