Topic: DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned) - page 16. (Read 19902 times)

Rest assured I won't be joining that discussion - as I said last week:


I've been busy this week:

https://loyce.club/trust/2022-06-18_Sat_05.13h/131361.html
https://loyce.club/trust/2022-06-18_Sat_05.13h/2640757.html

But, if you want to waste your time nasal gazing - feel free to do so.  But first - may I quote you?

I don't think this is something to worry about: hilariousetc has no inclusions, so won't reach DT1. it's on DT2, but exclusions on that depth don't influence the rest of the DT-system.
It just means hilarious doesn't want to see your feedback from his "etc" account. It might influence the trust ratings as seen by the users who included hilariousetc on their Trust lists, but those users are experienced enough to remove the inclusion if they don't want this.

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I think this discussion fits better in DefaultTrust changes.

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I've said it before in another topic: you've reached DT1 now, and I think your negative feedback on hilariousandco (and alt accounts) is no correct use of the Trust system. Actually, it's Trust abuse. I'll dedicated a topic to this.

Hmm..

Two Alts engaged in DT trust abuse:

hilariousetc https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=397737


https://loyce.club/trust/2022-06-18_Sat_05.13h/131361.html


Remind me again why people are looking down their noses at me for distrusting this person?

This is not the first time these two alts have done this to me.

Whatever lies you need to tell yourself to help you cope is perhaps fine, but lying publicly is not cool. There is a substantial difference between the two scenarios you described.

"a person has ten people on DT1 who trust them and twenty people on DT1 distrust them" - this person loses almost all of their DT privileges. Their inclusions/exclusions don't affect DT2. Their trust ratings are not visible by default. The only thing they have is the ability to "downvote" or "upvote" other DT1 members.

"twenty people on DT1 trust them and ten people on DT1 who distrust them" - this person has all DT privileges.

"they are STILL on DT either 1 or 2" false in the first case.

You show your ignorance (and by extension denial) with your post. 

I have been either DT1 or DT2 for many months/years now - continuously.  Where the climate DT deniers find it hard to grasp is there is no actual difference as to whether a person has ten people on DT1 who trust them and twenty people on DT1 distrust them OR twenty people on DT1 trust them and ten people on DT1 who distrust them, they are STILL on DT either 1 or 2.

Respect is a two way street.

DT-members with negative strength aren't counted (by me). Wolwoo was at (-18) back then.

The election has nothing to do with exclusions.

See Default trust breakdown, scroll all the way down.

Yes.

Instantly. The interesting part is that excluded DT1-members can still vote for other DT1-members (by including or excluding them) and adjust their DT1-strength. But they can't vote for DT2-members.

Certainly it is not first time when the old perv cheats his way into DT, nor the last time either. If I am correct, the previous time was in March this year, when he did it together with another remarkable person baboon -- wolwoo:

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What I do not understand though is the following:

- the election algorithm may choose also users which have more exclusions than inclusions (from DT users), right? It chooses strictly based on the election criteria mentioned by theymos (at least Member rank, must have been online sometime within the last 3 days, trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries, must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection, must have posted sometime within the last 30 days, must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent, must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent).

- if the above statement is correct, then what happens with the users which have already more exclusions than inclusions (from other DT users)? Are they excluded from DT in the very first second after the algorithm chose them (meaning they stay for one second in DT then they are out already)?

Look at wolwoo, for example, which is distrusted by way more DT users than the ones which trust him. However, because he meets the election criteria, he is taken into account by the algo at each reshuffle. And, sometimes, he is elected into DT1. However, because he has more exclusions than inclusions, then he is excluded, right? My question is: when does this exclusion take place? Immediately after he is chosen by the algorithm to be into DT1? Like -- the algorithm sees he is eligible and, by chance, it chooses him. But, immediately after being chosen, wolwoo does not appear as eligible anymore, as he has more exclusions than inclusions, no matter that he previously respected the election criteria. The criteria for remaining inside DT are different than the election criteria. And, actually, there is just one criterion: to not have more exclusions than inclusions.

Therefore, when does this exclusion occur? Immediately after one user is elected into DT1? Or at a later moment?

Thank you for your comments - you and I have always been able to have level headed discussions via PM so I'm sure you'll understand I am simply presenting the facts as I see them.


You have created Flags on both of the other two - which are supported by more people than opposed, so I'm just wondering if you could shed light on why the other two are UNtrustworthy, but this ONE user in NOT untrustworthy?

Thanks.

Thanks, Lauda I could have guessed, Timelord making it into DT is a surprise.

Feels like a bad zombie movie.

True. I called it earlier:

It looks like Timelord2067 and Lauda are accountable for 88% of the additions (100% of the increase) with a sore of Lauda: 4, Timelord2067: 3.  Both made their way to DT2 in the last week.


If it wasn't for his use of the trust system to keep track of his personal disputes, Timelord2067's remaining reviews would be a good addition to DT.

I was wondering about that too, but didn't feel like checking the details. I did it now anyway.

The increase from 30 to 36 happened when theymos updated DT1.

The increase from 36 to 43 happened without "external" reason. Changes in the past week:
Removed:
Added:

I still can't find a common reason.

@Timelord2067: what's with the trust abuse on hilariousandalt?

WHAT IS HAPPENING??#!

Update:
    1. 18321: OgNasty (Trust: +97 / =4 / -6) (DT1! (6) 1818 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. 370611: bill gator (Trust: +17 / =4 / -7) (DT1! (0) 622 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. 914465: crwth (Trust: +4 / =4 / -1) (DT1! (2) 870 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. 23324: Balthazar (Trust: +3 / =2 / -1) (358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. 30541: lightlord (Trust: +3 / =5 / -5) (213 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. 30747: Vod (Trust: +28 / =2 / -3) (1929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. 31931: Anduck (Trust: +19 / =2 / -1) (70 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. 38894: SaltySpitoon (Trust: +26 / =1 / -1) (1153 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. 40976: DeaDTerra (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. 65317: bigtimespaghetti (Trust: +23 / =0 / -1) (57 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   11. 98986: TMAN (Trust: +28 / =0 / -1) (1306 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   12. 101872: Lauda (Trust: +35 / =18 / -7) (1917 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   13. 125517: shadallion (Trust: +5 / =0 / -1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   14. 131361: Timelord2067 (Trust: +12 / =11 / -1) (901 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   15. 137773: BayAreaCoins (Trust: +14 / =1 / -1) (221 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   16. 140437: DyslexicZombei Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   17. 140584: EFS (Trust: +11 / =2 / -1) (381 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   18. 147451: klaaas (Trust: +11 / =0 / -1) (43 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   19. 164822: hilariousandco (Trust: +26 / =3 / -1) (1178 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   20. 171896: Stedsm (Trust: +0 / =3 / -1) (246 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   21. 224980: cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (204 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   22. 235982: mindtrip (Trust: +14 / =0 / -1) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   23. 249495: Cøbra (Trust: +3 / =2 / -1) (459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   24. 313016: owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (620 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   25. 316604: CryptoImperator (Trust: +34 / =1 / -4) (261 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   26. 357170: Fakhoury (Trust: +5 / =0 / -2) (27 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   27. 397737: hilariousetc (Trust: +4 / =2 / -1) (2168 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   28. 487377: Kalemder (Trust: +1 / =0 / -3) (1218 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   29. 520313: Lutpin (Trust: +37 / =3 / -1) (873 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   30. 765632: bL4nkcode (Trust: #  +17 / =2 / -6) (804 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   31. 795961: cryptoheadd (Trust: +22 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   32. 832366: sportsbet.io (Trust: +32 / =2 / -1) (1500 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   33. 897123: Nevsky (Trust: +0 / =1 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   34. 1071136: PHI1618 (Trust: #  +3 / =2 / -1) (1233 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   35. 1073450: Best_Change (Trust: +23 / =6 / -1) (1133 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   36. 1239188: Bttzed03 (Trust: #  +0 / =1 / -2) (1058 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   37. 1478835: MoparMiningLLC (Trust: +46 / =0 / -1) (1372 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   38. 1605387: cabalism13 (Trust: #  +12 / =4 / -9) (1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   39. 2375126: funnychain Banned! (Trust:  neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   40. 2434125: BTCcollector19 (Trust: +12 / =0 / -2) (37 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   41. 2530429: RapTarX (Trust: +0 / =1 / -1) (761 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   42. 2542787: N0sferatu (Trust: +4 / =1 / -1) (78 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   43. 2601646: gabecoin (Trust: +1 / =0 / -1) (35 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

This is one of the largest (if not the largest) number of DT-members with negative feedback ever!

Update:
     1. 18321: OgNasty (Trust: +76 / =4 / -6) (DT1! (6) 1802 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 370611: bill gator (Trust: +18 / =3 / -5) (DT1! (0) 622 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 23324: Balthazar (Trust: +3 / =1 / -1) (358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 30541: lightlord (Trust: +4 / =4 / -4) (213 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 30747: Vod (Trust: +28 / =2 / -1) (1929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 31931: Anduck (Trust: +21 / =2 / -1) (70 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 38894: SaltySpitoon (Trust: +26 / =1 / -1) (1152 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 40976: DeaDTerra (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 54113: BCB (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 65317: bigtimespaghetti (Trust: +23 / =0 / -1) (57 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 98986: TMAN (Trust: +28 / =0 / -1) (1306 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 101872: Lauda (Trust: +34 / =17 / -7) (1915 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 125517: shadallion (Trust: +5 / =0 / -1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 137773: BayAreaCoins (Trust: +15 / =1 / -2) (221 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 140437: DyslexicZombei Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 147451: klaaas (Trust: +10 / =0 / -1) (43 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 224980: cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (204 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 235982: mindtrip (Trust: +14 / =0 / -1) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 249495: Cøbra (Trust: +3 / =0 / -1) (459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 313016: owlcatz (Trust: +49 / =0 / -1) (620 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 316604: CryptoImperator (Trust: +32 / =1 / -3) (261 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 357170: Fakhoury (Trust: +6 / =0 / -2) (27 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 487377: Kalemder (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1218 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 520313: Lutpin (Trust: +37 / =2 / -1) (873 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 765632: bL4nkcode (Trust: #  +18 / =2 / -5) (804 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 795961: cryptoheadd (Trust: +21 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 832366: sportsbet.io (Trust: +22 / =1 / -1) (1481 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 897123: Nevsky (Trust: +0 / =1 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 1073450: Best_Change (Trust: +23 / =6 / -1) (1126 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 1239188: Bttzed03 (Trust: #  +0 / =1 / -1) (1058 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 1478835: MoparMiningLLC (Trust: +40 / =0 / -1) (1370 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 1605387: cabalism13 (Trust: #  +12 / =3 / -8) (1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 2375126: funnychain Banned! (Trust:  neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 2434125: BTCcollector19 (Trust: +9 / =0 / -2) (37 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 2542787: N0sferatu (Trust: +3 / =1 / -1) (78 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 2601646: gabecoin (Trust: +1 / =0 / -1) (35 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Update:
     1. 18321: OgNasty (Trust: +75 / =4 / -6) (1790 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 23324: Balthazar (Trust: +3 / =1 / -1) (358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 30747: Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -1) (1929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 31931: Anduck (Trust: +21 / =2 / -1) (70 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 38894: SaltySpitoon (Trust: +26 / =1 / -1) (1151 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 54113: BCB (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 98986: TMAN (Trust: +26 / =1 / -1) (1306 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 125517: shadallion (Trust: +5 / =0 / -1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 140437: DyslexicZombei Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 147451: klaaas (Trust: +10 / =0 / -1) (43 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 224980: cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (204 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 235982: mindtrip (Trust: +14 / =0 / -1) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 249495: Cøbra (Trust: +3 / =0 / -1) (459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 313016: owlcatz (Trust: +49 / =0 / -1) (619 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 314910: bitkilo (Trust: +4 / =1 / -1) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 334524: CryptoDatabase (Trust: +1 / =0 / -1) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 487377: Kalemder (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1218 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 520313: Lutpin (Trust: +37 / =2 / -1) (873 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 765632: bL4nkcode (Trust: #  +18 / =2 / -5) (804 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 795961: cryptoheadd (Trust: +21 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 832366: sportsbet.io (Trust: +22 / =1 / -1) (1457 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 897123: Nevsky (Trust: +0 / =1 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 1045391: kryme (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (35 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 1073450: Best_Change (Trust: +22 / =6 / -1) (1102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 1239188: Bttzed03 (Trust: #  +0 / =1 / -1) (1057 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 1478835: MoparMiningLLC (Trust: +40 / =0 / -1) (1367 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 1605387: cabalism13 (Trust: #  +12 / =3 / -8) (1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 2375126: funnychain Banned! (Trust:  neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 2434125: BTCcollector19 (Trust: +9 / =0 / -2) (37 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 2601646: gabecoin (Trust: +1 / =0 / -1) (35 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Update:
     1. 18321: OgNasty (Trust: +75 / =4 / -6) (1787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 23324: Balthazar (Trust: +3 / =1 / -1) (358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 30747: Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -1) (1929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 31931: Anduck (Trust: +21 / =2 / -1) (70 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 38894: SaltySpitoon (Trust: +26 / =1 / -1) (1151 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 54113: BCB (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 98986: TMAN (Trust: +26 / =1 / -1) (1306 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 125517: shadallion (Trust: +5 / =0 / -1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 140437: DyslexicZombei Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 147451: klaaas (Trust: +10 / =0 / -1) (43 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 224980: cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (204 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 235982: mindtrip (Trust: +14 / =0 / -1) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 249495: Cøbra (Trust: +3 / =0 / -1) (459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 313016: owlcatz (Trust: +49 / =0 / -1) (604 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 314910: bitkilo (Trust: +4 / =1 / -1) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 334524: CryptoDatabase (Trust: +1 / =0 / -1) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 487377: Kalemder (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1218 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 520313: Lutpin (Trust: +37 / =2 / -1) (873 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 765632: bL4nkcode (Trust: #  +18 / =2 / -5) (804 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 795961: cryptoheadd (Trust: +21 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 832366: sportsbet.io (Trust: +22 / =1 / -1) (1452 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 897123: Nevsky (Trust: +0 / =1 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 1045391: kryme (Trust: +6 / =0 / -1) (35 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 1073450: Best_Change (Trust: +22 / =6 / -1) (1101 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 1239188: Bttzed03 (Trust: #  +0 / =1 / -1) (1057 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 1478835: MoparMiningLLC (Trust: +40 / =0 / -1) (1346 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 1605387: cabalism13 (Trust: #  +12 / =3 / -8) (1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 2375126: funnychain Banned! (Trust:  neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 2434125: BTCcollector19 (Trust: +9 / =0 / -2) (37 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Putting it mildly, but yes indeed... 

.... Excluded.

Fattcatt was excluded by minerjones until 7 weeks ago. He was included by minerjones 4 weeks ago, and reached DT2 2 weeks ago.

He's currently included by those users:
I don't think this is correct use of the Trust system indeed.

Fattcatt is a bit kookoo, not much to see here.