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Quote from: passwordnow on May 23, 2021, 03:09:13 PM

IMHO, they don't have to think of it. They're all approachable and understandable and that's why the religions are there. They're the ones to understand why the government has to do it. As I'm saying, there's no problem that will be made, there's no problem upon approaching. It's easy to approach them because they are the ones to understand why the government has to do it. The management of a country depends on its government and if they're doing that, they have to make it happen and actually, the government doesn't need a go signal from them.

We will see the next news from the government. If the gambling place really opens in that country, it will give additional income for the country and maybe give people new jobs for people who do not have a job.

The government, as the regulator, needs to listen to all people's elements before they decide or make regulations or something like that. It will give peace for all people if they can work together to grows their country.

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 23, 2021, 10:58:14 PM

Personally I would like to separate religion from politics. Most of the developed nations have done this. Whether a country should ban gambling or not is a governmental decision. I don't think that the government needs to take permission from the religious body for that. And in many cases, the religious bodies may take decisions that are not suitable for the future well being of the country. For example, in Philippines when the government tried to impose family panning measures, the Catholic church tried to sabotage it by staging protests. Philippines is a country with such a high population growth and that was resulting in extreme poverty. Now would you agree with such religious bodies interfering in government policies?

Maybe it is not interfering with the government policies, but if the religious bodies can or the government can discuss or talk to each other, it will not misunderstand them.

I observe that misunderstanding is the biggest problem between the government, people's elements, religious bodies, and other societies. Each of them does not want to invite people or another element to discuss to make misunderstanding between them.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 23, 2021, 12:07:12 PM

In this way, the government needs to think about the approach they will do for the religious leaders. I think that will be a problem between the government and the religious leaders to discuss. We hope that both government and religious leaders can work together to solve every problem.

Personally I would like to separate religion from politics. Most of the developed nations have done this. Whether a country should ban gambling or not is a governmental decision. I don't think that the government needs to take permission from the religious body for that. And in many cases, the religious bodies may take decisions that are not suitable for the future well being of the country. For example, in Philippines when the government tried to impose family panning measures, the Catholic church tried to sabotage it by staging protests. Philippines is a country with such a high population growth and that was resulting in extreme poverty. Now would you agree with such religious bodies interfering in government policies?

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 23, 2021, 12:07:12 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 22, 2021, 06:02:14 PM

As I've said, there's no problem and there's no need for a solution. I think you're thinking that it's a problem if the government of Dubai starts to allow casinos to come in as business. There's no problem with that if the state finds it as a sourcing of their economy's contribution to make it lively. I don't really see that there should be any problem and if there's a need for a religious intervention, they have to understand that the state is not the church and vice versa. And it's all about the government not the church.

In this way, the government needs to think about the approach they will do for the religious leaders. I think that will be a problem between the government and the religious leaders to discuss. We hope that both government and religious leaders can work together to solve every problem.

IMHO, they don't have to think of it. They're all approachable and understandable and that's why the religions are there. They're the ones to understand why the government has to do it. As I'm saying, there's no problem that will be made, there's no problem upon approaching. It's easy to approach them because they are the ones to understand why the government has to do it. The management of a country depends on its government and if they're doing that, they have to make it happen and actually, the government doesn't need a go signal from them.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 22, 2021, 03:12:01 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 22, 2021, 02:18:09 AM

In the name of business, it will not be better to break the prohibition that it's written in their religion because that will not be good in the future for their country.

Is your suggestion that they release a new updated 2.0 version of the Holy Quran 2021 that allows gambling and possibly alcohol and prostitution to be more favorable for foreign tourists? I am not religious, but that's not the way it works Grin

If there is such a thing as a message from God, the original message shouldn't have add-ons and updates.

I do not know about that Grin

Holy Quran will not do that and will not change until judgement day.

Right now, there is no message from GOD to the holy person like the old day. But maybe, only some people who close to GOD can get the sign from GOD.

Quote from: passwordnow on May 22, 2021, 06:02:14 PM

As I've said, there's no problem and there's no need for a solution. I think you're thinking that it's a problem if the government of Dubai starts to allow casinos to come in as business. There's no problem with that if the state finds it as a sourcing of their economy's contribution to make it lively. I don't really see that there should be any problem and if there's a need for a religious intervention, they have to understand that the state is not the church and vice versa. And it's all about the government not the church.

In this way, the government needs to think about the approach they will do for the religious leaders. I think that will be a problem between the government and the religious leaders to discuss. We hope that both government and religious leaders can work together to solve every problem.

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Quote from: Mauser on May 23, 2021, 01:25:27 AM

I haven't heard from anybody that went to Morocco for gambling. Friends of mine just went to Morocco for sightseeing and to experience cities like casablanca. But what I did hear from everybody who went there with his girlfriend or wife is that there was atleast one situation where they felt unsafe. I am not sure if I would feel safe gambling larder sums down there. Maybe it just takes a few years to change their imagine. If a country can pull of creating a new casino landscape than go for it. Combing a normal vacation with gambling is awesome.

Women in western dress are not safe in the middle-east and that is applicable to Morocco as well. Outside the major tourist destinations such as Tangier and Casablanca, most of Morocco is very conservative and women in revealing outfits may receive a lot of unwanted attention. And the same issue is present in some of the neighboring countries such as Tunisia and Algeria. But despite these minor hiccups, Morocco remain one of the most preferred tourist destination for the European travellers.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 22, 2021, 11:00:21 PM

Quote from: uneng on May 20, 2021, 11:46:06 AM

Maybe Morocco friendly stance towards gambling is due to the french influence in the 50's, when the country was under the european country's control and had the first casino opened in their territory. Another muslim countries didn't absorb the foreigner influences in the same way, and prefered to fully stick with their local culture and traditions.
Anyway it's interesting how a country with 90% of its population belonging to muslim religion operates casinos. Probably they focus on tourists to make the industry profitable there. I believe in the future UAE will go through the same way, because these countries need income to survive and oil isn't going to be profitable forever.

Morocco is a majority Arab and Muslim nations. Arabs are majority of the population and Islam is the religion for more than 99.9% of the citizens. The fact that Morocco allows gambling is remarkable, because as an Arab country it is regarded as one of the birth places of Islam. Now the question is whether the gambling industry has resulted in any negative influence or not. As far as I can see, no major change in crime rate or organized mafia has been reported. On the other hand, the population has benefitted from increased job creation and tourist revenue.

I haven't heard from anybody that went to Morocco for gambling. Friends of mine just went to Morocco for sightseeing and to experience cities like casablanca. But what I did hear from everybody who went there with his girlfriend or wife is that there was atleast one situation where they felt unsafe. I am not sure if I would feel safe gambling larder sums down there. Maybe it just takes a few years to change their imagine. If a country can pull of creating a new casino landscape than go for it. Combing a normal vacation with gambling is awesome.

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2021-05-18/more-than-6000-people-swim-to-ceuta-amid-diplomatic-row-between-spain-and-morocco.html

Many people are fleeing Morocco so I've heard in the news. Spanish soldiers are literally throwing them to the sea, there are videos on twitter. The situation must be so bad they are trying to reach Spain by swimming. I would never visit a country like that, you'll be targeted the moment they sense that you have "some" money.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 22, 2021, 11:00:21 PM

Quote from: uneng on May 20, 2021, 11:46:06 AM

Maybe Morocco friendly stance towards gambling is due to the french influence in the 50's, when the country was under the european country's control and had the first casino opened in their territory. Another muslim countries didn't absorb the foreigner influences in the same way, and prefered to fully stick with their local culture and traditions.
Anyway it's interesting how a country with 90% of its population belonging to muslim religion operates casinos. Probably they focus on tourists to make the industry profitable there. I believe in the future UAE will go through the same way, because these countries need income to survive and oil isn't going to be profitable forever.

Morocco is a majority Arab and Muslim nations. Arabs are majority of the population and Islam is the religion for more than 99.9% of the citizens. The fact that Morocco allows gambling is remarkable, because as an Arab country it is regarded as one of the birth places of Islam. Now the question is whether the gambling industry has resulted in any negative influence or not. As far as I can see, no major change in crime rate or organized mafia has been reported. On the other hand, the population has benefitted from increased job creation and tourist revenue.

I haven't heard from anybody that went to Morocco for gambling. Friends of mine just went to Morocco for sightseeing and to experience cities like casablanca. But what I did hear from everybody who went there with his girlfriend or wife is that there was atleast one situation where they felt unsafe. I am not sure if I would feel safe gambling larder sums down there. Maybe it just takes a few years to change their imagine. If a country can pull of creating a new casino landscape than go for it. Combing a normal vacation with gambling is awesome.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 22, 2021, 11:00:21 PM

Quote from: uneng on May 20, 2021, 11:46:06 AM

Maybe Morocco friendly stance towards gambling is due to the french influence in the 50's, when the country was under the european country's control and had the first casino opened in their territory. Another muslim countries didn't absorb the foreigner influences in the same way, and prefered to fully stick with their local culture and traditions.
Anyway it's interesting how a country with 90% of its population belonging to muslim religion operates casinos. Probably they focus on tourists to make the industry profitable there. I believe in the future UAE will go through the same way, because these countries need income to survive and oil isn't going to be profitable forever.

Morocco is a majority Arab and Muslim nations. Arabs are majority of the population and Islam is the religion for more than 99.9% of the citizens. The fact that Morocco allows gambling is remarkable, because as an Arab country it is regarded as one of the birth places of Islam. Now the question is whether the gambling industry has resulted in any negative influence or not. As far as I can see, no major change in crime rate or organized mafia has been reported. On the other hand, the population has benefitted from increased job creation and tourist revenue.

I doubt those statistics alone would change the mind of political and religious leaders in other countries. This is a political game where Morocco has not much to say, so their flexibility goes unnoticed, however, for major powers like UAE, Saudi Arabia, or Iran that could be shown as too much flexibility and too much softness and that is not the image they wish to portray.

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Quote from: uneng on May 20, 2021, 11:46:06 AM

Maybe Morocco friendly stance towards gambling is due to the french influence in the 50's, when the country was under the european country's control and had the first casino opened in their territory. Another muslim countries didn't absorb the foreigner influences in the same way, and prefered to fully stick with their local culture and traditions.
Anyway it's interesting how a country with 90% of its population belonging to muslim religion operates casinos. Probably they focus on tourists to make the industry profitable there. I believe in the future UAE will go through the same way, because these countries need income to survive and oil isn't going to be profitable forever.

Morocco is a majority Arab and Muslim nations. Arabs are majority of the population and Islam is the religion for more than 99.9% of the citizens. The fact that Morocco allows gambling is remarkable, because as an Arab country it is regarded as one of the birth places of Islam. Now the question is whether the gambling industry has resulted in any negative influence or not. As far as I can see, no major change in crime rate or organized mafia has been reported. On the other hand, the population has benefitted from increased job creation and tourist revenue.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 22, 2021, 02:18:09 AM

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 21, 2021, 01:21:15 AM

If they can respect the belief and each other, that will not be a problem because the religion and the state will search for the solution. If both sides, the government and the religion, can sit down together and discuss how if the gambling business open in their country or they need to do something before they open that business, I think that can get a solution. Even if somehow, the religion does not agree with the discussion, they can give the solution to their government what is needed.

IMHO, there's no need for a solution. There's no a problem so there's no need to find one. The government has the right to do whatever they think that shall be done for the betterment of their country and economy and if the addition of it physically will contribute to their growth, the church has all the means to protest or at least just accept it. It's everywhere in the world and their country is not exclusive for just one religion. It's understandable for those countries that has an exclusive religion but not for them. The respect is always there.

I think you are right. The government and the church or religious leaders can do based on what their think but I still hope that they will find a solution to solve that. It is better to respect each other and discuss every problem that can happen to their country. In the name of business, it will not be better to break the prohibition that it's written in their religion because that will not be good in the future for their country.

As I've said, there's no problem and there's no need for a solution. I think you're thinking that it's a problem if the government of Dubai starts to allow casinos to come in as business. There's no problem with that if the state finds it as a sourcing of their economy's contribution to make it lively. I don't really see that there should be any problem and if there's a need for a religious intervention, they have to understand that the state is not the church and vice versa. And it's all about the government not the church.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 25, 2021, 10:24:36 AM

Plus they also have a hefty fine. Therefore if you were to engage with such hotels you would loose a lot more definitely!!

Other than that people in the UAE can actually gamble :
1. They can gamble in offshore casinos (online)
2. Use foreign currency

Since this is not stated in the laws so this is all you guys can try other than that be careful.

There is plenty to do in Dubai without resorting to gambling - water parks, indoor skiing, parachuting, adverture lands, wadi bashing, camel racing, some of the biggest shopping malls you'll ever see, checking out the history and visiting the tallest building in the world all spring to mind. It seems a little silly to go their for gambling when all Muslim countries are quite strict against it. As a tourist destination I can see them allowing foreigners to do it at some point, but it'll likely be highly regulated and confined to islands. They do allow expats and foreign guests to drink alcohol after all, so why not allow the other vices if it draws them more business? They have really gone after the tourist trade since they have very little access to oil and pulled it off quite successfully.

Well, I thought OP just wants to open an interesting discussion. As you say, nobody is going to Dubai just for gambling, but it can be a whole lot of fun anyway. Vegas is fun as hell during nights, and ugly like nothing else during daylight! Cheesy

That's different for Dubai. Still a cool place no matter whether it is day or night! Wink

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 25, 2021, 10:24:36 AM

Plus they also have a hefty fine. Therefore if you were to engage with such hotels you would loose a lot more definitely!!

Other than that people in the UAE can actually gamble :
1. They can gamble in offshore casinos (online)
2. Use foreign currency

Since this is not stated in the laws so this is all you guys can try other than that be careful.

There is plenty to do in Dubai without resorting to gambling - water parks, indoor skiing, parachuting, adverture lands, wadi bashing, camel racing, some of the biggest shopping malls you'll ever see, checking out the history and visiting the tallest building in the world all spring to mind. It seems a little silly to go their for gambling when all Muslim countries are quite strict against it. As a tourist destination I can see them allowing foreigners to do it at some point, but it'll likely be highly regulated and confined to islands. They do allow expats and foreign guests to drink alcohol after all, so why not allow the other vices if it draws them more business? They have really gone after the tourist trade since they have very little access to oil and pulled it off quite successfully.

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Quote from: aioc on May 21, 2021, 07:04:43 PM

It's better to check and do research if the country you are about to visit has no restriction when it comes to playing gambling, you can check that to your travel agent, they offer assistance on where you can play safe, there are still countries where they restrict their citizens but not tourists but do not in any way play underground or you will get deported if they caught you.

This is what we Gamblers use to do, everytime there is a chance of going abroad , i make sure that the said country has a Good reputation for gambling/gamblers because this is what i wanna do, to gamble some part of my budget for the rest of my visit.

I labeled all my visits from places to casinos and that completes my journey each year or at least every other year.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 22, 2021, 02:18:09 AM

In the name of business, it will not be better to break the prohibition that it's written in their religion because that will not be good in the future for their country.

Is your suggestion that they release a new updated 2.0 version of the Holy Quran 2021 that allows gambling and possibly alcohol and prostitution to be more favorable for foreign tourists? I am not religious, but that's not the way it works Grin

If there is such a thing as a message from God, the original message shouldn't have add-ons and updates.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on May 21, 2021, 06:49:43 PM

Depends on the decision because not all countries does have similar views and criterias on how laws and regulations should be implied.Some would really be that mindful
when it comes to religion and some wouldn't really care at all.

Respect is all we need and if we do go to other places then we should be mindful on not to violate any of those laws and regulations so that you wont really be
experiencing some problems later on.

If it turns out that gambling is prohibited then you can always look for another ways for you to do so.Know your limits and you should be fine.

It's better to check and do research if the country you are about to visit has no restriction when it comes to playing gambling, you can check that to your travel agent, they offer assistance on where you can play safe, there are still countries where they restrict their citizens but not tourists but do not in any way play underground or you will get deported if they caught you.

If the sole purpose of your country visit is gambling then surely you have already answers for that .
But if you are for vacation and going from palce to place, then why need to gamble in that country when you can play in your own without spending too much for airfair?

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 21, 2021, 06:24:00 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 21, 2021, 01:21:15 AM

If they can respect the belief and each other, that will not be a problem because the religion and the state will search for the solution. If both sides, the government and the religion, can sit down together and discuss how if the gambling business open in their country or they need to do something before they open that business, I think that can get a solution. Even if somehow, the religion does not agree with the discussion, they can give the solution to their government what is needed.

IMHO, there's no need for a solution. There's no a problem so there's no need to find one. The government has the right to do whatever they think that shall be done for the betterment of their country and economy and if the addition of it physically will contribute to their growth, the church has all the means to protest or at least just accept it. It's everywhere in the world and their country is not exclusive for just one religion. It's understandable for those countries that has an exclusive religion but not for them. The respect is always there.

I think you are right. The government and the church or religious leaders can do based on what their think but I still hope that they will find a solution to solve that. It is better to respect each other and discuss every problem that can happen to their country. In the name of business, it will not be better to break the prohibition that it's written in their religion because that will not be good in the future for their country.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on May 21, 2021, 06:49:43 PM

Depends on the decision because not all countries does have similar views and criterias on how laws and regulations should be implied.Some would really be that mindful
when it comes to religion and some wouldn't really care at all.

Respect is all we need and if we do go to other places then we should be mindful on not to violate any of those laws and regulations so that you wont really be
experiencing some problems later on.

If it turns out that gambling is prohibited then you can always look for another ways for you to do so.Know your limits and you should be fine.

It's better to check and do research if the country you are about to visit has no restriction when it comes to playing gambling, you can check that to your travel agent, they offer assistance on where you can play safe, there are still countries where they restrict their citizens but not tourists but do not in any way play underground or you will get deported if they caught you.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 21, 2021, 06:24:00 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 21, 2021, 01:21:15 AM

If they can respect the belief and each other, that will not be a problem because the religion and the state will search for the solution. If both sides, the government and the religion, can sit down together and discuss how if the gambling business open in their country or they need to do something before they open that business, I think that can get a solution. Even if somehow, the religion does not agree with the discussion, they can give the solution to their government what is needed.

IMHO, there's no need for a solution. There's no a problem so there's no need to find one. The government has the right to do whatever they think that shall be done for the betterment of their country and economy and if the addition of it physically will contribute to their growth, the church has all the means to protest or at least just accept it. It's everywhere in the world and their country is not exclusive for just one religion. It's understandable for those countries that has an exclusive religion but not for them. The respect is always there.

Depends on the decision because not all countries does have similar views and criterias on how laws and regulations should be implied.Some would really be that mindful
when it comes to religion and some wouldn't really care at all.

Respect is all we need and if we do go to other places then we should be mindful on not to violate any of those laws and regulations so that you wont really be
experiencing some problems later on.

If it turns out that gambling is prohibited then you can always look for another ways for you to do so.Know your limits and you should be fine.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 21, 2021, 01:21:15 AM

If they can respect the belief and each other, that will not be a problem because the religion and the state will search for the solution. If both sides, the government and the religion, can sit down together and discuss how if the gambling business open in their country or they need to do something before they open that business, I think that can get a solution. Even if somehow, the religion does not agree with the discussion, they can give the solution to their government what is needed.

IMHO, there's no need for a solution. There's no a problem so there's no need to find one. The government has the right to do whatever they think that shall be done for the betterment of their country and economy and if the addition of it physically will contribute to their growth, the church has all the means to protest or at least just accept it. It's everywhere in the world and their country is not exclusive for just one religion. It's understandable for those countries that has an exclusive religion but not for them. The respect is always there.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on May 21, 2021, 05:49:15 AM

Dubai is the place where everything possible when you have money, like you said the prostitution where you can find high class escort services who are imported from foreign countries to UAE, especially in Abu Dhabi but still its illegal and there will be huge penalty and punishment if they get caught.

Gambling can't be running everywhere like prostitution but I bet that it is pretty much happening in the underworld for sure.

I think in any of the strictest countries for the richest citizens there are "tricks" to get around the law. In the case of Dubai, I am sure a lot of illegal things are happening at sea outside the country. This is an old trick and many people use it. This is one of the reasons why yachts are so popular among the richest citizens of all countries.

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