Topic: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 Rakeback 🎲 Races 🎲 Faucet 🎲 Deposit Bonus 🎲 Jackpot 🎲 - page 126. (Read 119412 times)

Thought you have something new to add so I unignored you. Congrats making it back to my Ignore list.

Funny how you try to squeeze them for more like a collections agent trying to reach a quota. :p

1) You can always calculate the EV and this is juridical fully valid. If a running online poker tournament is cancelled due to technical issues, they also calculate the expected value of your chips. It would be not only nonsense but also illegal to say players did not finish the tournament and may win or lose the entire balance and therefore their balance is now zero!

2) During the bonus canceling process the system indeed states in text form that the Locked Balance amount will be substructed from your balance, but as the buttons state large and bold |BONUS| and |Cancel Bonus| no one is able to understand it and this is (intentional) misleading and therefore juridical not valid!

3) No one would or wants to cancel his whole balance! The sense of the bonus canceling is that I want to get rid of the bonus and the wagering requirements.

4) At the time when the victim was misleaded to cancel his whole balance, the expected value of his balance after clearing the bonus is 8.15 BTC and this is the amount duckdice has to give him or restore his account how it was prior to click |Cancel Bonus|.

The site has been very open for user suggestions and a lot of results have shown on tools they have now on site.

actmyname's version of a bonus is something better than the current one, as the bonus and non bonus balance would be separated. Giving the user a wider option if he wish to cancel anything.

In terms of calculating how much a user lost, it should be fine to use mathematical ev. You can't say that the ev of the dice game shouldn't be calculated just because there's a possibility that players or the house can win all the coins.


I agree fully with these statements. That, however, is neither the argument nor the problem.

I don't think you understand exactly how it works. The player's funds are NOT being used for wagering. The player's balance is a sum of the bonus and their original deposit (+ whatever else they gained). How their bonus system works is that for every winning bet, the locked balance goes up and when one wants to cancel, the locked balance is a sum of the bonus amount + gross profit (not net profit).

Shouldn't be considered the fault of the player for something they are not in control of. If one deposits, claims the bonus for a total of 2 BTC for example (1 BTC deposit + 1 BTC bonus) and subsequently wagers that amount twice: winning and losing, then they are back to where they started. If they wanted to cancel because they didn't like the odds, they are out of that option because the locked balance is now equivalent to 3 BTC. Canceling would result in a balance of zero.

On the behalf of all users, I would like to thank you and your team for paying attention to our suggestions. That’s what people really like about your site. It has a friendly environment and no scams are found on this site which really makes it reliable for gambling. Furthermore, these new changes are really going to attract more users in the coming months.

You can use math to calculate the expected value of the user's balance, but it is still a possibility.

These kind of bonus should come with terms and conditions to avoid unethical actions from players (such as the mentioned loop). This is how the bonus algorithm should work, otherwise if your funds are remain the same while cancelling the bonus, everyone will claim the bonus and cancel whenever they lose the bonus, they can simply claim again and continue the loop afterward. To make it clear, you are not being forced to bet, your funds will remain in the balance if you did not wager(lose) it, for example, if you make a deposit, you claim the bonus and immediately cancel the bonus, you won't lose anything, or maybe if you make a few bets which resulting in lose, this is the only way that affecting your balance, which means the player funds are being use for wager before the bonus funds, and this should be mentioned in the terms and conditions to avoid any misleading. Spreading negativity will not help the case. Although it was the player fault for not reading anything before proceeding to click the cancel button. Duckdice has refund the player's deposit. The player should read and ask before performing those action, but he didn't. In this case, I can only see that the terms and conditions are not clear, which could misleading part of the players.

You can use math to calculate the expected value of the user's balance.

Except that isn't how DuckDice.io's algorithm worked. Users had the bonus balance in a "locked balance" that increased with gross profit and only gross profit. Which is bad.

Spoiler alert: that's now how it worked. Here, read for yourself:


When you want to cancel your bonus and you are forced to bet, that is unethical. You are forced to bet because otherwise you will directly lose your funds anyway.

He did not complete the wagering requirement, we can't simply say statistically while involve in gambling. He may win or lose the entire balance before completing the requirement.

Most casino did this, player could end up cancelling the entire balance after part of wagering requirement has been done, except most of them are clearly written in the terms and conditions that Real Money will be use first before the bonus balance is used. They make it clear, but Duckdice didn't. Duckdice use the same algorithm, thus they should actually write in this way (Main account funds will be used before any bonus funds, an example took from FortuneJack), real balance will be locked while bonus is active is the only reason that misleading the players.

Duckdice didn't make it clear in the terms and conditions, that was their fault, BUT, when cancelling a bonus, there will be a popup box showing up how much balance will be left in your account after cancelling your bonus, if player read before clicking any Cancel | Button, they should know! Even if they are clicking too fast, there will be a second windows to ask for the confirmation, player should read! This was the player fault. Again, player should READ CLEARLY before performing these kind of action, just taking a few minutes to read, easy task, it is the player responsibility. You cannot simply ask for a refund just because of your own mistake. In this case, cancelling the bonus without reading clearly was the player fault, and Duckdice still refund his deposit of 2BTC, fair enough.

It does not play any role what he had at the start or what he did 1 year ago! Relevant is only the point when they misleaded him to click the |Cancel Bonus| button.

At this point his balance was worth 7 BTC + 1.15 BTC bonus after wagering the remaining 85 BTC to clear the 2 BTC bonus = 8.15 BTC.

No one would cancel his whole account balance!

1) If he do not want his account balance, he would simply leave

2) If he continues to play, nothing worse than his account balance = zero can happen

Now tell me what is the reason to cancel your whole account balance instead of proceeding with 1) or 2)?

What actmyname said is that it(terms) has been listed/written in that tone for months, not that there were any other who complained.

Still good to play here.

You did not make the conditions clear. You did not have all the facts in your terms. It was not laid out in your terms that, given high enough gross profit, cancellation of the bonus could potentially lead to the actual deposited balance being deducted as well.

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Read my post again.


Now read your post again.

yes,I agree,they should be reverted to neutral,but of course,it is up to the members who gave the rating to do (or not to do so)
the bonus terms were badly articulated,if I was 100% sure that the whole balance would have been forfeited if i cancelled at any time
I would have never tried to get this bonus first place,the problem was in the description

User Ozafejyw782 cancelled bonus on 2017-07-15 because of not reading the confirmation message regarding penalty and DuckDice made a  refund on 2017-07-25, what months are you talking about, this is 10 days.

And once again:
Deposit bonuses are closed for a period of reworking them, we are also preparing for a possibility of hard fork, so until hard fork or soft fork occur we will not launch new bonuses.
Refund has been made. And once again, this is a first complaint of such matter in over 8 months.[/b]

That was the only case in bonus we have encountered in duckdice.,We never encountered such case because most of the players who claimed bonus before ussually read and ask.,As a Mod there,most of the time newbies who claim bonus ask first before they start the wagering.In his situation i was there during his wagering.He never ask for any question about bonus so we think he totally understand how its done.,In fact every high bets he made appears in chat and most of the players that time tag his name with goodlucks and whatever that will surely get his attention.,but he never listen.,then suddenly he makes scandal in the chat that he was scammed.,thats the first time he message on chat.That was the time we learn that he cancel his bonus without reading nor asking.,
Duckdice.io had never been involve in any scandalous accysation except this one.And i can say by myself that they run the site fairly for all players may they be small or big time players.

Actually duckdice have got those negative trust from DT members and not from normal users like us so giving positive trust to duckdice will not change anything. However after going through scam accusation against duckdice today I found that duckdice have refunded some part of money to the one who have created that accusation but they haven't paid many others who got that issue in past. So I don't think DT members will remove those negative trust.

Yes, he has all rights to clear the bonus before the Cancel Bonus is clicked. His faults is not to read the terms before cancelling the bonus as it is clearly stated in his own post (He simply clicked cancel bonus and are you sure? in 1 second without reading ANYTHING), based on my experiences, the pop-up box clearly stated how much balance will be left in the account when the bonus is cancelled. Everyone should read all the terms carefully before performing these kind of action. He can win more or lose the entire balance, so there will be no statistically lose only 0.85 BTC, he have to complete the wagering requirement within 30 days, it's not that easy to clear the requirement, at least he already get back his own deposit of 2 BTC, fair enough.

Duckdice shouldn't call him a terrorist, the same for us, we shouldn't simply call anyone a scammer. For this, I'm not supporting both of them. 

If your voice is bought that easily, great (it seems so, since 203 of your 209 posts are spamming a ref link in Games and rounds).
But believe me, nobody has to pay me to stand up for what I think is right.
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You're dumb. Those ref links are to double my faucet on another site. It has to be done every 24 hours.

What sort of victim blaming logic is this?
"The real rapist is the person wearing a short skirt, she clearly provoked it." ~ that's how you sound.

That doesn't make the act itself better, as explained several times.

Wanting money back that's rightfully yours is not a smear campaign.

If your voice is bought that easily, great (it seems so, since 203 of your 209 posts are spamming a ref link in Games and rounds).
But believe me, nobody has to pay me to stand up for what I think is right.

Clearly, you didn't read anything about the case and don't realize that terms were not laid out. They were excluded.

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Nice Games & Rounds posts, kiddo.

This is exactly how I feel. Whenever 'free' money is offered outside of pure philanthropy, is never quick or easy. The real scam is the person making the accusation of a scam. Clearly, he didn't read or understand the finer points of the bonus. He hopes to get paid by making a huge stink over the ordeal. After the fact, he continues in a smear campaign with other bad actors clamouring in, as if being directed by another. It wouldn't surprise me if money has changed hands to do this.