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The use of VPN is only trivial if you are using it to hide your restricted country but if it’s not then there’s nothing wrong on using because you are not breaking the casino ToS with or without VPN. The use of VPN always cause a confusion to many user here despite there’s already a lot of thread and official answer regarding this matter.

Casino knew if you are using VPN. They typically investigate on your account if you have a questionable gambling activity that usually connected to VPN such as hiding your IP due to multiple account, restricted country or bonus abuse. It’s just VPN is always being use by cheater that’s why it’s always involved in every issue in the casino but that doesn’t mean is the use VPN per se is bad.

I mean when you think about it, VPN is a risky move by any gambler and if they use it then the yare very well aware that they could be asked about it later on as well. It is not a shock that if you are using VPN then some casino may ask you about it, you are not using it and then get shocked that you get asked about it, you know the possibility even before you start it anyway.

So, it should not really be all that shocking at all. We should be considering this as a normal part of the situation. This is why I believe that when this happens, gamblers who react to it are either faking it, or very newbie in the crypto gambling world. Because anyone who has been around, knows that this will eventually happen to you as well if you use VPN.

KYC isn't about how much money you have, you deposit or your winnings, but this also related to cheaters or abusers. Who knows if your friends is a cheater or abuser? a casino can close many accounts even they didn't made any deposit, because the casino know the accounts were operated by a same person and he try to make money from the promotion.

Well, you can gamble outside without need to use VPN. IPv4 will not always be same even you're always access the site from the same place, so you don't have to worry.

I have a friend and he plays at a crypto casino which is quite well known also on this forum, he was told to complete KYC just because he wanted to withdraw tens of dollars, obviously that is worrying for a crypto casino like that, why only tens of dollars can ask for KYC to its users, as cheap as Is that assessing someone's privacy, while KYC is still annoying for many gamblers who want to play anonymously and maintain their privacy, even though I still think it's safe, I still feel bad for my friend because I invited him to play on that site but it was difficult.

I'm not really happy with using a VPN because not all sites support it, that's why I prefer to gamble at my house rather than outside the house because in my opinion forcing myself to gamble outside the house using a VPN is definitely not fun either, that's why my friend has been since that incident. he no longer wants to gamble at crypto casinos which I think is a bit annoying to ask for KYC on users who only play or withdraw tens of dollars, I think crypto casinos should think again about that and change their systems or regulations so as not to lose many users.

I think that is the trend we are seeing indeed and it will not be stopping anytime soon. I don't think the ask for KYC is always related to the license as most casinos have a Curacao license and what is the real value of that (Efialtis from BTCGOSU wrote some pieces about that). I have no problems with submitting KYC to reliable casinos.

In a way I can understand that gamblers want to keep some of their privacy with the use of VPNs, but while this could have been possible years ago, this is no feasible anymore.

So either gamblers accept this fact or stop gambling altogether, as casinos with the increase on the number of customers, they have attracted the attention of regulators, and now they have to implement policies to identify their clients and keep track of their identities, something that I am sure not even casinos like, but they have to agree with that in order to get their casino license.

The major reasons why casinos do not allow use of VPNs is;
1. They are used by many abusers and multiaccounts to register and claim welcome bonuses
2. They are used by players from banned countries

In most cases, very few people with good intentions would use a VPN on a casino they know can ask for KYC verification at any time. If someone really values they privacy very much, then there is no reason they should be registering in a centralized casino in the first place.

Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.

If we use a VPN to respect privacy, that is understandable as long as the effects we will get while using a VPN while playing can be borne by ourselves.
I am not against VPNs when playing in casinos, but understanding the rules that have been set for comfortable playing is more important, including if the rules are not allowed to use a VPN.

What I mean by this is that before taking action, it is better to look at and read the TOS first even though the purpose of using a VPN is not to commit fraud against the casino.

I created a topic regarding VPN in the past when use in the casino. It’s true that they have a system to determine whether the user is using VPN or not including the original IP which the user is hiding through the use of VPN meaning it’s useless to use VPN just to hide the real location especially if his country of origin is from restricted country.

So VPN in reality is not the main reason to trigger casino suspicion to an account just like what you said but rather the real IP of the user that they want to hide which is either they are from restricted country or using multiple account that previously broke ToS. Casino will not bust immediately all the user that has secret to hide, they usually bust them when they are initiating withdrawal that’s why most of the case of ToS violations are when user requests withdrawal.

They have a system in place, it will record you IP address and the location where you are accessing the online casino. However, if from the start you have been using VPN and they didn't do anything about it, then I guess it's not anymore relevant to be use as one of the causes why the account will get compromise. Some seemed to link big winnings and VPN, I don't know what's the connection but some shady casinos makes it as a reason to freeze an account. However, if you are not comfortable, avoiding from using a VPN might be necessary.

For me we don't need to use VPN if we are at home try to gamble since there's nothing to be afraid of and we are clean to the casino for doing that but there are cases that we need to use VPN especially if we are public places and using public wifi. For sure It will not give us any problem especially if we use those good VPN or those paid ones. If we are not bypassing some restriction for sure we are fine especially if we can provide supporting details that we are not in restricted regions.

VPN might trigger something but for sure it can't harm them. But if they are still doubting about this maybe the best thing they could do is to ask the support to get more valid answers.

VPN can be a first trigger of a platform to investigate more about suspicious accounts but I agree with you that VPN is not a main cause why one account is accused by any platform as cheater.

If a platform makes such accusation, they surely have more evidence about that account activities and links with other accounts too like betting style, time of bets, favorite tournaments and more.

VPN can be a trigger, one of causes but not only or the main reason.

VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

Everyone should look on the TOS, it should be specific, otherwise, it will create confusion which in the end not good for a casino as peopel would symphatize on their fellow gamblers.

According to your example, there is no mention of restricting of the use of VPN on the ToS, so having that, the casino does not clearly state that the use of VPN is illegal, so the casino has no right to penalize any player who is registered under an allowed IP country and uses VPN using an IP of another allowed country.  Even in legal terms, since there is no statement about the restriction of the use of VPN, the casino cannot use that to lock any account or confiscate any funds unless..
1.  The casino implements a 1 IP per account rule and breaching it will result in account ban and funds confiscation,and upon using a VPN makes the account have the same IP as the other player.

In this case, the player using the VPN is unknowingly breaching the terms of the casino and is subject to account lock.  In this scenario, the casino has all the right to implement its rule even if the player has only one account and has no idea that he shared the same IP with other player through the VPN gateway.  It is the player's fault.


If upon registration the player honestly stated his country and address, I do not think the player is hiding his location if he use VPN.  Most people who has no intention to cheat on the casino uses VPN for privacy, so that he can avoid any unwanted tracking cookies.  So as long as there is no mention that the use of VPN is restricted, I believe he can freely use the VPN service providing that it does not breaches any other terms on the tos just like the example I given.

But of course, it is best to consult the admin or the support about the casino's rule about the use of VPN.

People often interpret laws and rules in parts and not as a whole, I'll give an example of what I'm talking about, when a person creates an account in a casino and in that casino in its TOS in the first points it talks about things like: all people must provide truthful information, all people must not hide their geographical location, they must not lie about their age, address, full name. Then the person reads the entire TOS and does not find any part of the TOS prohibiting the use of VPN, so this person thinks that since the casino's TOS does not say anything about prohibiting the use of VPN, then that means that the use of VPN is not prohibited. , this person used VPN

At first the casino allows this person to withdraw money without problems, then the casino asks this person to do kyc and this person's kyc is approved, this person has a verified account, as this person lives in country x which is a permitted country through the casino and that person keeps using a VPN from a country z which is a country that is on the list of allowed countries, so that person starts to think that everything is fine, their account won't have any problems, time passes and that person continues doing Withdrawals without problems even using vpn from country z. but one day the casino decides to start following the code so that it catches the people who broke it so the casino can keep people's money

in a legitimate way, this is because the casino is going through financial problems, although in ethical terms the casino will be acting badly, but in legal terms the casino has the right to take funds from the people who broke the rules. Therefore, the casino blocks the account of the person who lives in country x and uses VPN from country z, because according to the casino's TOS, in the first points it is very clear: all people must provide true information, all people must not hide their locations geographical, and what I'm talking about is in almost all casino TOS. People should pay close attention when reading the TOS. If a casino says in its TOS that no one should hide their geographic location and they should provide true information, then people should not use VPN

As long as they are in an unrestricted area then use an existing ISP because however using a VPN is still complex, some casinos are friendly some are not so when they are in a restricted zone it is better not to use the casino and look for a casino that is there will be better.

Considering that the problem is not only from the VPN but many things happen so this is what is worried about, but as long as I am on bitcointalk, I have not experienced any problems because not using a VPN means that I am still in a safe zone.

If you are in a country where playing at casinos is prohibited, using a VPN to be able to play, I don't think it's a good thing to keep doing it.
You can correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe the ones who experience the most problems are players who are in restricted areas so in the end they blame the casino by accusing the casino of committing fraud for various reasons.

This is somewhat true. I know people who have used paid VPNs successfully without any issues in multiple crypto gambling sites though they got confirmation from their customer support teams before using them.

Dedicated IPs ensure that others cannot share your IP, but only some gamblers are willing to splurge for utilising them.

I agree with that, there are a lot of casinos that allow VPNs to bypass restricted borders in certain countries either for free or paid on a special IP, but it is necessary to confirm in the casino service because in the future you are much better and confirmed by the casino itself so that you can play much more comfortably, because there are also many cases that people who use IPs from VPNs cannot withdraw their money when they win and usually have a long enough assessment and are exposed to suspected users if they use a VPN, this kind of thing will be bad if you are not communicated to the casino service directly, it will determine your future fate if you want to keep using a VPN.