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Hi everyone, I'm pleased to announce that v2 of the redesigned devcoin.org is now live:

http://devcoin.org

Looks great to me hypersire. On the FAQ, you should have said something. It was still sitting there waiting for feedback from interested parties and yourself as didn't appreciate it was an addition for now. Thanks for the work though.

Only thing I'd still change is to add '...earned by developing, writing or...' under step 2 so it's blatantly obvious on front page, although guess there may be a character limit to fitting it in.

On concise, that's just about same questions being asked over and over so that's what we were trying to address. It's not possible to answer every question tersely. e.g. why is devtome english only, why no music/art when devcoin info says so, why is generation is constant, real newbie issues with clients. You may be right though about portal not being best place for it, perhaps the forum because there still needs to be somewhere people can get answers without waiting for a reply.

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Can anyone explain this mystery?
Code:
coinflip@Initech:~/devcoin/src$ file ./devcoind
./devcoind: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=0xf1d1a8646650bc001c053dac07244e39f36f5bf3, not stripped
coinflip@Initech:~/devcoin/src$ ./devcoind
bash: ./devcoind: No such file or directory
coinflip@Initech:~/devcoin/src$ ls -lh ./devcoind
-rwxrwxr-x 1 coinflip coinflip 46M Jan  6 21:41 ./devcoind
coinflip@Initech:~/devcoin/src$
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Yeah, sure.

In a nutshell we're talking about an application that controls it's own wallet and can buy it's own hosting. Hypothetically any human action can be coded or scripted. So the work in buying hosting, for example, can be written to code. Similarly, the app can browse for new providers and even migrate itself if a better deal is found. It could put out it's own coding bounties, etc.

Now there are tons of things that need to happen first before autonomous agents are flying around and that's mostly because of trust between payers and providers. But it's an interesting thought none-the-less and one of the most exciting aspects of the future with respect to crypto currency.

Admittedly, the autonomous agent comment was about 80% sarcastic

Also:


I need Forum Admins/Moderators and testers

So while I'm getting the Coinzen.org domain (http://162.243.37.115/)I still need people to admin and moderate on the forum that is up. If you are interested give me a holler. This is more community driven than skill/experience

I need coders/testers

As we continue to deploy the forum I need folks who can test/code. Some good feedback has already come our way through good fortune of users but I would like some dedicated folks. This is driven by skill and experience.

  • SMF is a very very simple MVC.
  • If you know PHP/MySQL you can pick it up in an afternoon

I would love if you could submit your board code as a modification/package for SMF otherwise it makes it very difficult to maintain - the XML makes code changes super simple and easy to manage. If you cannot do this send me a PM and I can give you a cheat sheet/work with you.

Please PM me if you are interested in any of those positions.

*It's public in the receiver files that I am receiving 1 admin share for the hosting/administration of the forum. I cannot promise anyone anything with respect to shares (maybe unthinkingbit can chime in with some guidance here).*

Ok, I figured it was a bit tongue in cheek but just wanted to make sure. So far as the test/code for the new forums is concerned, I will help out where ever you need (or I can) in the endeavor. PHP/MySQL is no problem...
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Hi everyone, I'm pleased to announce that v2 of the redesigned devcoin.org is now live:

http://devcoin.org

What's new in V2

  • DVC ticker added to homepage (thanks tenthirtyone)
  • Community link added to top nav (points to this thread for now, I'll change it to point to the new DVC forum when ready)
  • FAQ link added to top nav
  • Made the site ARIA (Accessible Rich Internet Applications) compliant
  • Slowed the slider down a bit (anytime the cursor is placed on the slider it will pause as well)
  • Added Javascript to automatically resize slide height based on content (only seen by users with a very small viewport or users who have greatly increased the font size)
  • Various minor text edits and link additions as requested by the community (Note: once the link list on the Spend DVC page becomes too long, I'll categorize the links into tabbed format)
  • Fixed IE8 layout issue
  • Created FAQ page - this was a lot of work as I had to scour through a ton of text from a bunch of different sources and rewrite all of the content into question and answer format... I'd be happy to add more FAQs, I just ask that they be submitted in traditional FAQ format, meaning a single question with a concise and terse answer Smiley

Mobile Enhancements:

  • Added detection for very small viewports (i.e. smartphones). If the site is viewed with a smartphone the images in the slider and on the download page are not displayed due to the lack of space (the images do not contain content, they are merely decorative). I wrote some custom CSS for small viewport devices so the site looks much better on smartphones now.
  • Added swipe detection to slider (Note: the slider does not support swiping by default - I implemented an add-on to make it work though I am unable to test it as I am using an emulator without a touchscreen. Someone please check it with an iPhone and an Android smartphone.)

Questions for the community:

1) http://dvc4giftcards.us/ - as I posted previously, this site is being flagged as malicious by the popular WOT (Web of Trust) plugin:

https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/dvc4giftcards.us?utm_source=addon&utm_content=warn-viewsc

Therefore, I don't think this link should be added until this is cleared up as it could undermine Devcoin's credibility. Does anyone know the owner of this site?

2) Is this wallet:

http://media.andarazoroflove.org/Devcoin-Installer.exe

ready to go or is it still being finalized? Should the link overwrite the current link for "Devcoin Setup Exe Windows32"?

3) Social media links - I can add them in a jiffy but I need to know which Facebook/Twitter/YouTube pages to point to (sounds like there aren't any "official" Devcoin social media pages, just what people are putting up on their own)

That's all for now, let me know what you think Smiley
newbie
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If we are looking for coding projects for bounties/community why don't we talk to Mike Hearn and get devtome turned in to an autonomous agent?

Yeah, yeah, years away but if we could codify everything in devtome we could launch it in to the wild and it would be virtually unstoppable.

Just a thought.


Now, incoming replies to forum posts over the past few days. I apologize if this is spammy.

Could you be more specific about what you mean by "turned into an autonomous agent?"

Yeah, sure.

In a nutshell we're talking about an application that controls it's own wallet and can buy it's own hosting. Hypothetically any human action can be coded or scripted. So the work in buying hosting, for example, can be written to code. Similarly, the app can browse for new providers and even migrate itself if a better deal is found. It could put out it's own coding bounties, etc.

Now there are tons of things that need to happen first before autonomous agents are flying around and that's mostly because of trust between payers and providers. But it's an interesting thought none-the-less and one of the most exciting aspects of the future with respect to crypto currency.

Admittedly, the autonomous agent comment was about 80% sarcastic

Also:


I need Forum Admins/Moderators and testers

So while I'm getting the Coinzen.org domain (http://162.243.37.115/)I still need people to admin and moderate on the forum that is up. If you are interested give me a holler. This is more community driven than skill/experience

I need coders/testers

As we continue to deploy the forum I need folks who can test/code. Some good feedback has already come our way through good fortune of users but I would like some dedicated folks. This is driven by skill and experience.

  • SMF is a very very simple MVC.
  • If you know PHP/MySQL you can pick it up in an afternoon

I would love if you could submit your board code as a modification/package for SMF otherwise it makes it very difficult to maintain - the XML makes code changes super simple and easy to manage. If you cannot do this send me a PM and I can give you a cheat sheet/work with you.

Please PM me if you are interested in any of those positions.

*It's public in the receiver files that I am receiving 1 admin share for the hosting/administration of the forum. I cannot promise anyone anything with respect to shares (maybe unthinkingbit can chime in with some guidance here).*
member
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If we are looking for coding projects for bounties/community why don't we talk to Mike Hearn and get devtome turned in to an autonomous agent?

Yeah, yeah, years away but if we could codify everything in devtome we could launch it in to the wild and it would be virtually unstoppable.

Just a thought.


Now, incoming replies to forum posts over the past few days. I apologize if this is spammy.

Could you be more specific about what you mean by "turned into an autonomous agent?"
hero member
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I generally agree with this sentiment. I don't know that I would be affected either way since I don't know what period of time this occurred over. But indeed, it maintains the diluted shares from previous rounds, despite there being a pool of devcoins that could be used to compensate those receivers. Instead, those who received diluted shares may receive nothing. This doesn't seem equitable.

I did it this way because it was the easiest. It would take a long time to figure out how much the shares were diluted in which rounds and to calculate how much each person should get. Also, on average those rounds had about 300,000 devcoins, more than people are getting this round, so those in the previous rounds are already getting plenty.

Edit: Since people want more to be sent to the previous rounds, in the next payment I'll send according to the round 28 account file, instead of the round 32 file.



I'd actually push more towards something like Round 30. The reason being that this is when the issue was for sure a problem. In fact, here's a short breakdown of that one:

Total shares: 816
His shares: 120

That's a ratio of (120/816) 14.7% or almost 15%. This is a pretty big difference in earnings.

Round 29 he had nothing. Round 28 he had a little (55 shares). It's the round 30 one where things were really killed though when you take his shares per round and figure out the dilution of them.

So I'm going to put in a vote for changing it to round 30.
How have payments been made thus far? Round 28 seems significant to me -- 55 is more than I've ever had in a round, certainly. Then again, that is where the majority of my own shares were diluted. Tongue Devcoins were worth considerably less at that time as well, if that is to be considered.
newbie
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If we are looking for coding projects for bounties/community why don't we talk to Mike Hearn and get devtome turned in to an autonomous agent?

Yeah, yeah, years away but if we could codify everything in devtome we could launch it in to the wild and it would be virtually unstoppable.

Just a thought.


Now, incoming replies to forum posts over the past few days. I apologize if this is spammy.
member
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Perhaps it was one of MarkM`s post?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4277186

You may also be interested in the following DevTome article:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=galaxies_online

Hope that may help,

- Nova



Ahh, ok, I will look into Galaxies Online a little more, but was hoping more for a Medieval style MUD Smiley  Thanx!
member
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Ok,
  So no one has any information about Android App Ideas already discussed?  I also thought I saw something about a MUD idea for using DevCoin on a MUD? This I would be interested in. Any other thoughts on the matter?

What ideas? Im working on the official android wallet for devcoin..

To previous poster yes thats why I worked on adding the qr code stuff and with the android wallet it will be simple to make payments using qr.

Awesome! would love to see that when you are done, I will test it out as well if you need.
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Ok,
I also thought I saw something about a MUD idea for using DevCoin on a MUD? This I would be interested in. Any other thoughts on the matter?

Perhaps it was one of MarkM`s post?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4277186

You may also be interested in the following DevTome article:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=galaxies_online

Hope that may help,

- Nova

legendary
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Ok,
  So no one has any information about Android App Ideas already discussed?  I also thought I saw something about a MUD idea for using DevCoin on a MUD? This I would be interested in. Any other thoughts on the matter?

What ideas? Im working on the official android wallet for devcoin..

To previous poster yes thats why I worked on adding the qr code stuff and with the android wallet it will be simple to make payments using qr.
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Thank you for your feedback, at the moment this is just an idea to help raise awareness of devcoin as no mobile network accepts cryptocurrency for pay as you go phone credit. also not just young people, but many that use pay as you go do do because they do not have access to a banking account to set up a contract with a provider. any of these people can set up a crypto account and those that have one already would find phone credit a usefull product to spend there coin on . just saying you can now top up your phone on any uk network using devcoin should get some attention. even if the site accepts other currencys also. to prevent copycats doing a better job and stealing the idea i have made a demo website that charges no fees or commision. juas accepting tips if you like the service just to see if there is any interest in the idea. buying airtime at a discount later could make it profitable and then switch to only accepting devcoin when there are some funds in the account and it is a little more known . any help or feedback is much appreciated. jasont   wwwcryptocredit.co.uk  and cryptocreditphones.com
Concept looks good to me. You may want to look at coinpayments.net as it's a checkout system a few devcoin ecommerce sites are already using and may make like easier for you? Alternatively it might add control-loss and delay factors for you, so it's a balancing act. I hadn't really considered the bigger picture inclusion aspect you refer to - those that aren't banked etc.

One thought; how does someone without a bank account acquire crypto right now? Things are likely to change over time but if a significant proportion of the target group are the 'unbanked' or youngsters, not sure about the pragmatics of the potentially more vulnerable swapping cash for crypto in person. So - devcoin 'earners' aside - there might be a bit of an access loop to solve without becoming a money changer yourself (and you and I know just how flexible our gov is on cryptos to date). Maybe effecting a sort of swap - where somehow cash is switched for something else, then that something else is switched for crypto. I have to think about it more, I'm sure there are ways to do it if you don't already have one.

This is not to question the idea as I think it's a great one, just throwing thoughts at you.

I have a prepaid (pay as you go) phone, when I "buy credit" I go to the local shop/servo/deli and buy a slip of paper with a code on it, when I enter the code my account is topped up. (I also do this by Visa over the phone, but I am trying to address your target of people who don't have bank accounts)

Is it possible to do something similar?

For example, produce slips of paper with codes on them that can be entered by SMS or online, and puts a set amount into their wallet according to the cost of the slip of paper? (I guess QR codes might even make this easier) Maybe they could be sold by community groups in line with Devcoin community aims, and the community groups could receive a commission?





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Ok,
  So no one has any information about Android App Ideas already discussed?  I also thought I saw something about a MUD idea for using DevCoin on a MUD? This I would be interested in. Any other thoughts on the matter?
legendary
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I generally agree with this sentiment. I don't know that I would be affected either way since I don't know what period of time this occurred over. But indeed, it maintains the diluted shares from previous rounds, despite there being a pool of devcoins that could be used to compensate those receivers. Instead, those who received diluted shares may receive nothing. This doesn't seem equitable.

I did it this way because it was the easiest. It would take a long time to figure out how much the shares were diluted in which rounds and to calculate how much each person should get. Also, on average those rounds had about 300,000 devcoins, more than people are getting this round, so those in the previous rounds are already getting plenty.

Edit: Since people want more to be sent to the previous rounds, in the next payment I'll send according to the round 28 account file, instead of the round 32 file.



I'd actually push more towards something like Round 30. The reason being that this is when the issue was for sure a problem. In fact, here's a short breakdown of that one:

Total shares: 816
His shares: 120

That's a ratio of (120/816) 14.7% or almost 15%. This is a pretty big difference in earnings.

Round 29 he had nothing. Round 28 he had a little (55 shares). It's the round 30 one where things were really killed though when you take his shares per round and figure out the dilution of them.

So I'm going to put in a vote for changing it to round 30.

55 Shares is still a lot, anyway
legendary
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yes
You have a good point. My counter point is that the share they were receiving apparently was sufficient for them to do the writing (unless people see it as a lottery and hope to win jackpot without testing the expected revenue before initiating writing). I am not saying your argument is wrong. I just want to bring forward that we have a future (of Devcoin) to attend to. It makes sense to me to spend those funds accordingly.
legendary
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People submitting work for Devtome were not complaining when nobot accumulated these shares i.e. it did not deter them from submitting work to Devtome.

This is like having a lottery where two people win, then finding out later that one of them didn't really win and it was erroneous, therefore the money is added back to the pot for a future drawing. No way; it should be given to the person who rightfully earned (ie. won) it.

The issue at hand is that, were it to be legitimately earned, we'd have no problems with it having been paid out as it was. But when it's not, and that directly takes away from those that *did* do the work during that period, it causes problems.
legendary
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I appreciate the thoughts of reimbursement in the round it happened, but think it is better to use these funds to entice future writings for Devtome. People submitting work for Devtome were not complaining when nobot accumulated these shares i.e. it did not deter them from submitting work to Devtome.

Its the present time we are working with, not the past. We need more good writing for Devtome. That is what I consider to be the most important.
legendary
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I generally agree with this sentiment. I don't know that I would be affected either way since I don't know what period of time this occurred over. But indeed, it maintains the diluted shares from previous rounds, despite there being a pool of devcoins that could be used to compensate those receivers. Instead, those who received diluted shares may receive nothing. This doesn't seem equitable.

I did it this way because it was the easiest. It would take a long time to figure out how much the shares were diluted in which rounds and to calculate how much each person should get. Also, on average those rounds had about 300,000 devcoins, more than people are getting this round, so those in the previous rounds are already getting plenty.

Edit: Since people want more to be sent to the previous rounds, in the next payment I'll send according to the round 28 account file, instead of the round 32 file.



I'd actually push more towards something like Round 30. The reason being that this is when the issue was for sure a problem. In fact, here's a short breakdown of that one:

Total shares: 816
His shares: 120

That's a ratio of (120/816) 14.7% or almost 15%. This is a pretty big difference in earnings.

Round 29 he had nothing. Round 28 he had a little (55 shares). It's the round 30 one where things were really killed though when you take his shares per round and figure out the dilution of them.

So I'm going to put in a vote for changing it to round 30.
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review for http://dvc4giftcards.us/

With some of the kindly tips I've received for the dvccountdown, I managed to have enough dvc in my pocket to purchase a $1 amazon gift card, which I was going to use to discount an amazon purchase I was planning on making. The site was well presented, and easy to purchase from, but I missed the bit where I was supposed to write a note to the seller. My brain just completely missed the text block, and I think that was because the big cards drew my focus away from it - perhaps it would be better presented another way, like a message box or something just before going to the payment window. Regarding that oversight, I assumed (hoped) the gift card would just be sent to my email address by default, and overnight I received an email from the site admin. It turns out they had seen that I was from .au, and the gift cards were only usable on the US store. I was asked whether I still wanted the card, or a refund, and took the sensible option considering I was looking at something on my local amazon. The next time I want something from the US store (which I do from time to time), and I have DVC to burn, I had a pleasant enough experience to try this site again. For larger purchases, though, I think would prefer bigger denominations than the $1 or $10 to save some time.


Thanks for the review!  Turns out the review bounty is finished, though.

@Unthinkingbit - I would be like to give 1 of my administrator bonus shares (from the 3-Business-Administrator in the bounty file) to Hunterbunter for his review, even though the bounty is over.

Oops I missed this...thanks for the offer Smeagol! The site is pretty good; I hope you get a lot of business through it.
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