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If we are looking for coding projects for bounties/community why don't we talk to Mike Hearn and get devtome turned in to an autonomous agent?

Yeah, yeah, years away but if we could codify everything in devtome we could launch it in to the wild and it would be virtually unstoppable.

Just a thought.


Now, incoming replies to forum posts over the past few days. I apologize if this is spammy.

Could you be more specific about what you mean by "turned into an autonomous agent?"
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I generally agree with this sentiment. I don't know that I would be affected either way since I don't know what period of time this occurred over. But indeed, it maintains the diluted shares from previous rounds, despite there being a pool of devcoins that could be used to compensate those receivers. Instead, those who received diluted shares may receive nothing. This doesn't seem equitable.

I did it this way because it was the easiest. It would take a long time to figure out how much the shares were diluted in which rounds and to calculate how much each person should get. Also, on average those rounds had about 300,000 devcoins, more than people are getting this round, so those in the previous rounds are already getting plenty.

Edit: Since people want more to be sent to the previous rounds, in the next payment I'll send according to the round 28 account file, instead of the round 32 file.



I'd actually push more towards something like Round 30. The reason being that this is when the issue was for sure a problem. In fact, here's a short breakdown of that one:

Total shares: 816
His shares: 120

That's a ratio of (120/816) 14.7% or almost 15%. This is a pretty big difference in earnings.

Round 29 he had nothing. Round 28 he had a little (55 shares). It's the round 30 one where things were really killed though when you take his shares per round and figure out the dilution of them.

So I'm going to put in a vote for changing it to round 30.
How have payments been made thus far? Round 28 seems significant to me -- 55 is more than I've ever had in a round, certainly. Then again, that is where the majority of my own shares were diluted. Tongue Devcoins were worth considerably less at that time as well, if that is to be considered.
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If we are looking for coding projects for bounties/community why don't we talk to Mike Hearn and get devtome turned in to an autonomous agent?

Yeah, yeah, years away but if we could codify everything in devtome we could launch it in to the wild and it would be virtually unstoppable.

Just a thought.


Now, incoming replies to forum posts over the past few days. I apologize if this is spammy.
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Perhaps it was one of MarkM`s post?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4277186

You may also be interested in the following DevTome article:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=galaxies_online

Hope that may help,

- Nova



Ahh, ok, I will look into Galaxies Online a little more, but was hoping more for a Medieval style MUD Smiley  Thanx!
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Ok,
  So no one has any information about Android App Ideas already discussed?  I also thought I saw something about a MUD idea for using DevCoin on a MUD? This I would be interested in. Any other thoughts on the matter?

What ideas? Im working on the official android wallet for devcoin..

To previous poster yes thats why I worked on adding the qr code stuff and with the android wallet it will be simple to make payments using qr.

Awesome! would love to see that when you are done, I will test it out as well if you need.
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Ok,
I also thought I saw something about a MUD idea for using DevCoin on a MUD? This I would be interested in. Any other thoughts on the matter?

Perhaps it was one of MarkM`s post?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4277186

You may also be interested in the following DevTome article:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=galaxies_online

Hope that may help,

- Nova

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Ok,
  So no one has any information about Android App Ideas already discussed?  I also thought I saw something about a MUD idea for using DevCoin on a MUD? This I would be interested in. Any other thoughts on the matter?

What ideas? Im working on the official android wallet for devcoin..

To previous poster yes thats why I worked on adding the qr code stuff and with the android wallet it will be simple to make payments using qr.
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Thank you for your feedback, at the moment this is just an idea to help raise awareness of devcoin as no mobile network accepts cryptocurrency for pay as you go phone credit. also not just young people, but many that use pay as you go do do because they do not have access to a banking account to set up a contract with a provider. any of these people can set up a crypto account and those that have one already would find phone credit a usefull product to spend there coin on . just saying you can now top up your phone on any uk network using devcoin should get some attention. even if the site accepts other currencys also. to prevent copycats doing a better job and stealing the idea i have made a demo website that charges no fees or commision. juas accepting tips if you like the service just to see if there is any interest in the idea. buying airtime at a discount later could make it profitable and then switch to only accepting devcoin when there are some funds in the account and it is a little more known . any help or feedback is much appreciated. jasont   wwwcryptocredit.co.uk  and cryptocreditphones.com
Concept looks good to me. You may want to look at coinpayments.net as it's a checkout system a few devcoin ecommerce sites are already using and may make like easier for you? Alternatively it might add control-loss and delay factors for you, so it's a balancing act. I hadn't really considered the bigger picture inclusion aspect you refer to - those that aren't banked etc.

One thought; how does someone without a bank account acquire crypto right now? Things are likely to change over time but if a significant proportion of the target group are the 'unbanked' or youngsters, not sure about the pragmatics of the potentially more vulnerable swapping cash for crypto in person. So - devcoin 'earners' aside - there might be a bit of an access loop to solve without becoming a money changer yourself (and you and I know just how flexible our gov is on cryptos to date). Maybe effecting a sort of swap - where somehow cash is switched for something else, then that something else is switched for crypto. I have to think about it more, I'm sure there are ways to do it if you don't already have one.

This is not to question the idea as I think it's a great one, just throwing thoughts at you.

I have a prepaid (pay as you go) phone, when I "buy credit" I go to the local shop/servo/deli and buy a slip of paper with a code on it, when I enter the code my account is topped up. (I also do this by Visa over the phone, but I am trying to address your target of people who don't have bank accounts)

Is it possible to do something similar?

For example, produce slips of paper with codes on them that can be entered by SMS or online, and puts a set amount into their wallet according to the cost of the slip of paper? (I guess QR codes might even make this easier) Maybe they could be sold by community groups in line with Devcoin community aims, and the community groups could receive a commission?





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Ok,
  So no one has any information about Android App Ideas already discussed?  I also thought I saw something about a MUD idea for using DevCoin on a MUD? This I would be interested in. Any other thoughts on the matter?
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I generally agree with this sentiment. I don't know that I would be affected either way since I don't know what period of time this occurred over. But indeed, it maintains the diluted shares from previous rounds, despite there being a pool of devcoins that could be used to compensate those receivers. Instead, those who received diluted shares may receive nothing. This doesn't seem equitable.

I did it this way because it was the easiest. It would take a long time to figure out how much the shares were diluted in which rounds and to calculate how much each person should get. Also, on average those rounds had about 300,000 devcoins, more than people are getting this round, so those in the previous rounds are already getting plenty.

Edit: Since people want more to be sent to the previous rounds, in the next payment I'll send according to the round 28 account file, instead of the round 32 file.



I'd actually push more towards something like Round 30. The reason being that this is when the issue was for sure a problem. In fact, here's a short breakdown of that one:

Total shares: 816
His shares: 120

That's a ratio of (120/816) 14.7% or almost 15%. This is a pretty big difference in earnings.

Round 29 he had nothing. Round 28 he had a little (55 shares). It's the round 30 one where things were really killed though when you take his shares per round and figure out the dilution of them.

So I'm going to put in a vote for changing it to round 30.

55 Shares is still a lot, anyway
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You have a good point. My counter point is that the share they were receiving apparently was sufficient for them to do the writing (unless people see it as a lottery and hope to win jackpot without testing the expected revenue before initiating writing). I am not saying your argument is wrong. I just want to bring forward that we have a future (of Devcoin) to attend to. It makes sense to me to spend those funds accordingly.
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People submitting work for Devtome were not complaining when nobot accumulated these shares i.e. it did not deter them from submitting work to Devtome.

This is like having a lottery where two people win, then finding out later that one of them didn't really win and it was erroneous, therefore the money is added back to the pot for a future drawing. No way; it should be given to the person who rightfully earned (ie. won) it.

The issue at hand is that, were it to be legitimately earned, we'd have no problems with it having been paid out as it was. But when it's not, and that directly takes away from those that *did* do the work during that period, it causes problems.
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I appreciate the thoughts of reimbursement in the round it happened, but think it is better to use these funds to entice future writings for Devtome. People submitting work for Devtome were not complaining when nobot accumulated these shares i.e. it did not deter them from submitting work to Devtome.

Its the present time we are working with, not the past. We need more good writing for Devtome. That is what I consider to be the most important.
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I generally agree with this sentiment. I don't know that I would be affected either way since I don't know what period of time this occurred over. But indeed, it maintains the diluted shares from previous rounds, despite there being a pool of devcoins that could be used to compensate those receivers. Instead, those who received diluted shares may receive nothing. This doesn't seem equitable.

I did it this way because it was the easiest. It would take a long time to figure out how much the shares were diluted in which rounds and to calculate how much each person should get. Also, on average those rounds had about 300,000 devcoins, more than people are getting this round, so those in the previous rounds are already getting plenty.

Edit: Since people want more to be sent to the previous rounds, in the next payment I'll send according to the round 28 account file, instead of the round 32 file.



I'd actually push more towards something like Round 30. The reason being that this is when the issue was for sure a problem. In fact, here's a short breakdown of that one:

Total shares: 816
His shares: 120

That's a ratio of (120/816) 14.7% or almost 15%. This is a pretty big difference in earnings.

Round 29 he had nothing. Round 28 he had a little (55 shares). It's the round 30 one where things were really killed though when you take his shares per round and figure out the dilution of them.

So I'm going to put in a vote for changing it to round 30.
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review for http://dvc4giftcards.us/

With some of the kindly tips I've received for the dvccountdown, I managed to have enough dvc in my pocket to purchase a $1 amazon gift card, which I was going to use to discount an amazon purchase I was planning on making. The site was well presented, and easy to purchase from, but I missed the bit where I was supposed to write a note to the seller. My brain just completely missed the text block, and I think that was because the big cards drew my focus away from it - perhaps it would be better presented another way, like a message box or something just before going to the payment window. Regarding that oversight, I assumed (hoped) the gift card would just be sent to my email address by default, and overnight I received an email from the site admin. It turns out they had seen that I was from .au, and the gift cards were only usable on the US store. I was asked whether I still wanted the card, or a refund, and took the sensible option considering I was looking at something on my local amazon. The next time I want something from the US store (which I do from time to time), and I have DVC to burn, I had a pleasant enough experience to try this site again. For larger purchases, though, I think would prefer bigger denominations than the $1 or $10 to save some time.


Thanks for the review!  Turns out the review bounty is finished, though.

@Unthinkingbit - I would be like to give 1 of my administrator bonus shares (from the 3-Business-Administrator in the bounty file) to Hunterbunter for his review, even though the bounty is over.

Oops I missed this...thanks for the offer Smeagol! The site is pretty good; I hope you get a lot of business through it.
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I did it this way because it was the easiest. It would take a long time to figure out how much the shares were diluted in which rounds and to calculate how much each person should get. Also, on average those rounds had about 300,000 devcoins, more than people are getting this round, so those in the previous rounds are already getting plenty.

Edit: Since people want more to be sent to the previous rounds, in the next payment I'll send according to the round 28 account file, instead of the round 32 file.
Easiest way is just ask notabot for a ballpark % activity by round. That way there's no competing biases, what happens happens and we all move on.

Edit: didn't notice your time consuming point. Then I'd just take the current list (to exclude anyone since removed for deserved reasons) and split it evenly. Anything coming is probably more than expected so not worthy of much complaint imo. It's a group endeavour so if people want precise re-distribution let them spend time calulating it all.
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Thank you for your feedback, at the moment this is just an idea to help raise awareness of devcoin as no mobile network accepts cryptocurrency for pay as you go phone credit. also not just young people, but many that use pay as you go do do because they do not have access to a banking account to set up a contract with a provider. any of these people can set up a crypto account and those that have one already would find phone credit a usefull product to spend there coin on . just saying you can now top up your phone on any uk network using devcoin should get some attention. even if the site accepts other currencys also. to prevent copycats doing a better job and stealing the idea i have made a demo website that charges no fees or commision. juas accepting tips if you like the service just to see if there is any interest in the idea. buying airtime at a discount later could make it profitable and then switch to only accepting devcoin when there are some funds in the account and it is a little more known . any help or feedback is much appreciated. jasont   wwwcryptocredit.co.uk  and cryptocreditphones.com
Concept looks good to me. You may want to look at coinpayments.net as it's a checkout system a few devcoin ecommerce sites are already using and may make like easier for you? Alternatively it might add control-loss and delay factors for you, so it's a balancing act. I hadn't really considered the bigger picture inclusion aspect you refer to - those that aren't banked etc.

One thought; how does someone without a bank account acquire crypto right now? Things are likely to change over time but if a significant proportion of the target group are the 'unbanked' or youngsters, not sure about the pragmatics of the potentially more vulnerable swapping cash for crypto in person. So - devcoin 'earners' aside - there might be a bit of an access loop to solve without becoming a money changer yourself (and you and I know just how flexible our gov is on cryptos to date). Maybe effecting a sort of swap - where somehow cash is switched for something else, then that something else is switched for crypto. I have to think about it more, I'm sure there are ways to do it if you don't already have one.

This is not to question the idea as I think it's a great one, just throwing thoughts at you.
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I generally agree with this sentiment. I don't know that I would be affected either way since I don't know what period of time this occurred over. But indeed, it maintains the diluted shares from previous rounds, despite there being a pool of devcoins that could be used to compensate those receivers. Instead, those who received diluted shares may receive nothing. This doesn't seem equitable.

I did it this way because it was the easiest. It would take a long time to figure out how much the shares were diluted in which rounds and to calculate how much each person should get. Also, on average those rounds had about 300,000 devcoins, more than people are getting this round, so those in the previous rounds are already getting plenty.

Edit: Since people want more to be sent to the previous rounds, in the next payment I'll send according to the round 28 account file, instead of the round 32 file.

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Good morning all!  I woke up to an unexpected surprise of a large DVC deposit that I have no idea who its from nor what its for.  If it was an accidental transaction, the sender can PM me with the exact amount sent so that I know they are the rightful owner and I will return it.  Thanks.  It was sent to the address in my signature.

I got one, too. I suspect it's about the issue below.

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Notabot would stop selling his devcoins, and send all but 5 million back to people at the end of December, and then send all but 5 million back at the end of the round 30 payment at the end of January. For a year, round 31 to round 42 inclusive, a third of his earnings would be sent back.

Indeed that's what it's from. Notabot decided to not hold back 5 million as I recommended, he sent all his 20 million devcoins. I then sent it in turn in proportion to the current account 31 file. The payments are currently at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/payment.csv

but that file changes once in a while so it's not a permanent record. The block record is permanent, and the transactions are in the following blocks:
http://darkgamex.ch:2751/block/d9ff14adbc1f8cf78e7f4c8690aa215f2bf1fb53bbb7f04dfea13c82c0821941
http://darkgamex.ch:2751/block/6f8c79db2d47849aae2fb0839d03ea0b45a6cca9e292ac52c1b99c960536f2c3
http://darkgamex.ch:2751/block/6376ded227406452c84b4218814c53522f3a1d4b70e0f5c25f2723840509f250

The next and last payment will be at the end of this payment round, about Jan 28, 2014.


I am pretty much against the way you've handled this. I am not posting this publicly to cause problems, but to hopefully get other opinions on it as well.

Here's the issue: you paid these out according to the *current round* instead of the past ones. The problem here is that it was those in *previous rounds* that actually lost the coins. Their shares were diluted due to this problem, and now it's not those who lost that get rewarded for their losses but those who never lost anything (unless someone happened to have the same ratio in each round, which is highly unlikely, especially with the changes to max share count from Devtome and the massive number of bounties this round). Essentially what has happened is some have lost coins and others who were not affected are the ones being rewarded.

This is completely backwards from how it should be.

I generally agree with this sentiment. I don't know that I would be affected either way since I don't know what period of time this occurred over. But indeed, it maintains the diluted shares from previous rounds, despite there being a pool of devcoins that could be used to compensate those receivers. Instead, those who received diluted shares may receive nothing. This doesn't seem equitable.

I have shares both that round and later round, and don't know which is more, but I also agree with that the lost ones should be send back to those who lost them.
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I agree also and will provide Unthinkingbit with a breakdown per round. Thank you.
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