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legendary
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I think to a lot of people / companies hereabouts "Open Source" is mostly just a marketing slogan, they release some broken stuff to get some marketing bonus from the use of such terms/slogans but are all about profit thus have no intention of actually enabling competition / competitors by giving out their real working robust production code.


Many companies often jump on the most popular bandwagon, they "go green" (look at bp's logo) or "open source" or "accept bitcoin" (virgin galactic) etc..

it's like free publicity for them.
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As a heads-up for anyone who is interested, the Rapidballs lottery win (with a 50 DVC ticket) is up to 445,075 DVC.
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Nova, Bitcoin, and being derived from that also Devcoin, is MIT or BSD license not GNU copyleft.

So a lot of folks hereabouts come from the side of Open Source where it is fine and dandy for corporations to hold back code, they are free to use the Bitcoin - and Devcoin - code in their own proprietary projects, even release binaries without their modified source and so on.

Satoshi evidently chose that approach in order to maximise acceptance by capitalists / capitalism, if he had made his code GNU possibly a whole lot of its major adopters would have had to first re-write equivalent functionality from scratch precisely because they have no intention of releasing their code.

I believe that Unthinkingbit did not / does not restrict the Decoin project's concept of Open Source to only the somewhat infectious GNU license, BSD and MIT also are acceptable and I think things like Perl's creative license, the Apache license and so on.

So do expect a lot of folk are not going to use GNU license and of those some or many might fully intend to go on to make their own proprietary services based on their own improvements of what they initially released as "Open Source".

You might notice for example that so far there are no good working exchanges, Ripple gateways etc etc etc in open source; the policy seems usually to be to release a broken sketchy version as open source but keep the real thing that actually works proprietary. (Which is kind of what the GNU Affero (sp?) license aims to try to put a stop to.)

I think to a lot of people / companies hereabouts "Open Source" is mostly just a marketing slogan, they release some broken stuff to get some marketing bonus from the use of such terms/slogans but are all about profit thus have no intention of actually enabling competition / competitors by giving out their real working robust production code.

-MarkM-
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Voting only really works if people have something to lose. If it's arbitrary voting by everyday users, for nothing but a random click, it doesn't create an accurate representation of what people actually want. Valve tried this with their Greenlight system, and have recognized what a horrible failure it was in reducing their workload, or getting better games out. If they had made people pay to vote for greenlight games, they'd have a much more realistic demand plot, because people would only vote for things they actually cared about. If the bounty system you talk about makes people contribute to the bounty as their vote, then that would work fine...but then basically you've got capitalists who are directing open source programmers...

Also, project managers are valuable, and not all programmers would make good ones.

Exactly!

If something doesn't cost anything or has no repercussions at all, we end up with spam mail and anonymous trolls behaving like they never would in real life.

Having exposure is key to empathic socioeconomic behaviour.
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It doesn't have to work the way that I'm describing here; I just believe that if it does, devcoins and http://devtome.com in particular will become much more valuable much more quickly. It's a more capitalist way of doing things.

There can be little argument that Capitalism is competition by definition, while Open Source is cooperation by definition. It is becoming more obvious the Bounty System is being shaped by the Capitalist mindset not the Open Source cooperative one.

I respectfully disagree. Capitalism is not the opposite of cooperation, and you're mixing metaphors. Capitalism is an economic process where the risk and reward are assumed by the few, with decisions made by everyone. Modern communism (which I think you were referring to) is an economic process where the risk and reward are assumed by everyone, but decisions made by few. Both systems work, except communist economies are slower to move, because the decisions on whether to take risks are centralized, and bad decisions affect everyone. In a capital system, every programmer makes their own decision whether to attempt the effort or not, and they assume all risk of failure...in other words, it sucks more for them if they don't "win". This is why capitalist economies perform faster than communist ones - risk of failure is extremely motivating, and people have the freedom to choose not to take it. Communism allows incompetence to fester, but will still work if the cost of failure is nil for everyone. The point behind devcoin is to progress open source, and both will do it, but one will be faster until its not, in which case, stop using it then.

Regarding code, applying capitalistic risk to the bounty system does not close the source, and if open source is cooperative as you say, how can it then be less cooperative? Capitalism vs Modern Communism is about who assumes the risk of failure.

The Bounty System, if what is being sold here on this thread is true, needs to me more programmer centric rather than end user centric.

Let's flip things on it's head with an example approach...

Say the programmer codes a program and then posts it to the project/Bounty site to be voted on to see if it should be added to that cycle's shares. Perhaps it could remain on the list to be voted upon until it receives enough votes to take it off the list. If it does not get enough votes it does not receive any shares and if it does get enough votes it does.

It could also be voted as to how many shares it should get. Then it is not capitalist driven but coder driven. The same Open Source will make it to the market regardless of it getting a share split or not. There is no less risk to the programmer than the Bounty System's present form in my opinion.

If Capitalists, that cannot program, want a program then they can dig into their DevCoin Wallets and pay programmers to do it. Of course all such requests would be released to Open Source because that is the whole concept behind DevCoins right?

That would be an example of flipping the Bounty System on it's head and putting it in the hands of Open Source programmers and out of the hands of Capitalists who can't program.

Voting only really works if people have something to lose. If it's arbitrary voting by everyday users, for nothing but a random click, it doesn't create an accurate representation of what people actually want. Valve tried this with their Greenlight system, and have recognized what a horrible failure it was in reducing their workload, or getting better games out. If they had made people pay to vote for greenlight games, they'd have a much more realistic demand plot, because people would only vote for things they actually cared about. If the bounty system you talk about makes people contribute to the bounty as their vote, then that would work fine...but then basically you've got capitalists who are directing open source programmers...

Also, project managers are valuable, and not all programmers would make good ones.
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wow ! so devcoin would only need to go to a dollar and most of you guys on the list would be millionares.


I can tell you very honestly that I do not want Devcoin to be $1 tomorrow. I want it to be whatever its going to be worth on the basis of a thriving and large developer user base. I think the latter will take at least an additional 3 years of hard work while the coin stabilizes.

I agree.  I envision this being the standard for ethically based endeavors to emulate.  I hope for devcoin and devtome to be industry stalwarts that stand the test of time, for it to be something my daughter, even her daughter, could benefit from as society reaps the benefits of open source projects.  Anyone who was scared of hard work would have never became a writer or programmer in the first place  Smiley
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wow ! so devcoin would only need to go to a dollar and most of you guys on the list would be millionares.


I can tell you very honestly that I do not want Devcoin to be $1 tomorrow. I want it to be whatever its going to be worth on the basis of a thriving and large developer user base. I think the latter will take at least an additional 3 years of hard work while the coin stabilizes.
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I agree, that is a really nice looking forum.  Is there an ETA on it going fully live?
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Hello everyone,

The forum @ http://162.243.37.115 now bans users from viewing your topics if they are on your ignore list.

Mabtc and I both tested the trollblocking feature, and it worked for both of us. Tenthirtyone gets the 48 share + 6 million devcoin troll blocking award, which is finished.

Awesome!  That's a nice looking forum by the way!

I noticed that when I wasn't logged in I was blocked from viewing any of the threads but when I logged in the blocking was removed. Is the forum supposed to block non-members from seeing the threads or is that just a glitch?

Nice looking forum Smiley

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A few weeks ago I asked MAbtc to be an admin, but all the positions got taken so there wasn't anything to do. Then Tenthirtyone made the forum, and I needed a tester, so I asked MAbtc to test it and he agreed. He is now a tester admin and once the forum is finished he can choose another job.


Will the forum become the official discussionplace now?
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I would like to make an improvement proposal regarding the title tags on devtome.com.

For search engines like Google it is important to have a descriptive title tag () for every page (see here: <a class="ul" href="https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769?hl=en</a>). Devtome is generating the title tag for each page from the page id, p.a. <a class="ul" href="http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now</a> the title is "devcoin_bounty_now".<br /><br />There seems to be a function in dokuwiki to use the first heading from each article to make have a proper title tag: <a class="ul" href="https://www.dokuwiki.org/config:useheading" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.dokuwiki.org/config:useheading</a>. Most articles I had a look at where using headings. <br /><br />This change should result in more visitors through search engines after some time.<br /> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/dalamar96-187590" title="Profile of dalamar96">dalamar96</a> </div> <div class="position">member</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 70</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 10</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/dalamar96-187590" title="Profile of dalamar96"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg4352403"></a> <a href="/topic/m.4352403">Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated</a> </div> <div class="date">January 06, 2014, 04:33:46 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.4352403">#3475</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4352285">Quote from: Unthinkingbit on January 06, 2014, 04:27:17 PM</a></div><div class="quote">A few weeks ago I asked MAbtc to be an admin, but all the positions got taken so there wasn't anything to do. Then Tenthirtyone made the forum, and I needed a tester, so I asked MAbtc to test it and he agreed. He is now a tester admin and once the forum is finished he can choose another job.<br /><br /></div><br />Congratz MAbtc! <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /><br /><br />And Congratz to TenThirtyOne on the bounty <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/unthinkingbit-3722" title="Profile of Unthinkingbit">Unthinkingbit</a> </div> <div class="position">hero member</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 935</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1015</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_3722.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of Unthinkingbit"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/unthinkingbit-3722" title="Profile of Unthinkingbit"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg4352285"></a> <a href="/topic/m.4352285">Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated</a> </div> <div class="date">January 06, 2014, 04:27:17 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.4352285">#3474</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> A few weeks ago I asked MAbtc to be an admin, but all the positions got taken so there wasn't anything to do. Then Tenthirtyone made the forum, and I needed a tester, so I asked MAbtc to test it and he agreed. He is now a tester admin and once the forum is finished he can choose another job.<br /> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/smeagol-111121" title="Profile of smeagol">smeagol</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1008</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1005</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_111121.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of smeagol"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/smeagol-111121" title="Profile of smeagol"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg4352266"></a> <a href="/topic/m.4352266">Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated</a> </div> <div class="date">January 06, 2014, 04:26:07 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.4352266">#3473</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4352104">Quote from: Unthinkingbit on January 06, 2014, 04:17:16 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4337219">Quote from: tenthirtyone on January 05, 2014, 09:53:55 PM</a></div><div class="quote">Hello everyone,<br /><br />The forum @ <a class="ul" href="http://162.243.37.115" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://162.243.37.115</a> now bans users from viewing your topics if they are on your ignore list.<br /></div><br />Mabtc and I both tested the trollblocking feature, and it worked for both of us. Tenthirtyone gets the 48 share + 6 million devcoin troll blocking award, which is finished.<br /></div><br />Awesome!  That's a nice looking forum by the way! </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/unthinkingbit-3722" title="Profile of Unthinkingbit">Unthinkingbit</a> </div> <div class="position">hero member</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 935</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1015</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_3722.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of Unthinkingbit"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/unthinkingbit-3722" title="Profile of Unthinkingbit"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg4352104"></a> <a href="/topic/m.4352104">Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated</a> </div> <div class="date">January 06, 2014, 04:17:16 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.4352104">#3472</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4337219">Quote from: tenthirtyone on January 05, 2014, 09:53:55 PM</a></div><div class="quote">Hello everyone,<br /><br />The forum @ <a class="ul" href="http://162.243.37.115" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://162.243.37.115</a> now bans users from viewing your topics if they are on your ignore list.<br /></div><br />Mabtc and I both tested the trollblocking feature, and it worked for both of us. Tenthirtyone gets the 48 share + 6 million devcoin troll blocking award, which is finished. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/georgem-144737" title="Profile of georgem">georgem</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1484</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1007</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_144737.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of georgem"> </div> <div class="description">spreadcoin.info</div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/georgem-144737" title="Profile of georgem"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg4352031"></a> <a href="/topic/m.4352031">Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated</a> </div> <div class="date">January 06, 2014, 04:13:39 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.4352031">#3471</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4351855">Quote from: silvercardbank on January 06, 2014, 04:04:57 PM</a></div><div class="quote">wow ! so devcoin would only need to go to a dollar and most of you guys on the list would be millionares.<br /><br /></div><br />but don't let a market cap value decieve you.<br /><br />That it might show 1 dollar one day is one thing, <br />to have would-be-millionaires dump their devcoins all at once to become millionaires and therefore crushin the devcoin price AND their dream is another thing. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/dalamar96-187590" title="Profile of dalamar96">dalamar96</a> </div> <div class="position">member</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 70</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 10</div> <div class="avatar"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/dalamar96-187590" title="Profile of dalamar96"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg4352016"></a> <a href="/topic/m.4352016">Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated</a> </div> <div class="date">January 06, 2014, 04:13:05 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.4352016">#3470</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4351376">Quote from: georgem on January 06, 2014, 03:38:37 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4351339">Quote from: novacadian on January 06, 2014, 03:36:43 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4351120">Quote from: georgem on January 06, 2014, 03:24:39 PM</a></div><div class="quote">Look I understand what you want to say, but...<br /></div><br />“Understanding is the first step to acceptance...”<br /><br /><br />― J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire<br /></div><br />lol, damn I wanted to get in a philosophical debate with you, and you try to disarm me with this harry potter one liner.<br /><br /> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif" alt="Grin" border="0" /><br /></div><br />LOL Worked for me <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /> heheh </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/novacadian-114835" title="Profile of novacadian">novacadian</a> </div> <div class="position">full member</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> <img src="/images/user_position/star.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 232</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 104</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_114835.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of novacadian"> </div> <div class="description"></div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/novacadian-114835" title="Profile of novacadian"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img src="/images/xx.gif" alt=""> </div> <div class="title-wrapper"> <div class="title"> <a name="msg4351960"></a> <a href="/topic/m.4351960">Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated</a> </div> <div class="date">January 06, 2014, 04:10:33 PM</div> </div> <div class="item-number text-right"> <a href="/topic/m.4351960">#3469</a> </div> </div> <div class="content"> <div class="quote-header"><a href="/topic/m.4351855">Quote from: silvercardbank on January 06, 2014, 04:04:57 PM</a></div><div class="quote">wow ! so devcoin would only need to go to a dollar and most of you guys on the list would be millionares.<br /></div><br />One is a personal friend of mine. My guess is there are a few more out there. <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /><br /><br />- Nova </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="item clearfix"> <div class="item-content"> <div class="user-data"> <div class="username"> <a href="/user/georgem-144737" title="Profile of georgem">georgem</a> </div> <div class="position">legendary</div> <div class="position-coins"> <img src="/images/user_position/legendary.gif" alt="" title="Legendary level"> </div> <div class="activity">Activity: 1484</div> <div class="merit">Merit: 1007</div> <div class="avatar"> <img src="https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_144737.png" alt="" title="Profile photo of georgem"> </div> <div class="description">spreadcoin.info</div> <div class="view-profile"> <a href="/user/georgem-144737" title="Profile of georgem"><img src="/images/profile_sm.gif" alt=""></a> </div> </div> <div class="message-data"> <div class="header clearfix"> <div class="icon"> <img 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