Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 269. (Read 1059181 times)

I am pretty much against the way you've handled this. I am not posting this publicly to cause problems, but to hopefully get other opinions on it as well.

Here's the issue: you paid these out according to the *current round* instead of the past ones. The problem here is that it was those in *previous rounds* that actually lost the coins. Their shares were diluted due to this problem, and now it's not those who lost that get rewarded for their losses but those who never lost anything (unless someone happened to have the same ratio in each round, which is highly unlikely, especially with the changes to max share count from Devtome and the massive number of bounties this round). Essentially what has happened is some have lost coins and others who were not affected are the ones being rewarded.

This is completely backwards from how it should be.

Thanks for the interesting post.

I'm a bit unclear what Devcoin's goal is. Does it want to proliferate open source? Proliferate devcoins? Passively reward anyone who does open source? Each of those require mostly different approaches.

I'm personally interested in the idea of proliferating open source, as a tome of knowledge for the ages, but I realize that's at odds with how the real world works. I released my bounty source code under GPL, but I understand now (having just read about the differences), that I should have released it under MIT. I understand the needs of business, and I want it to prosper but I also want to increase access to education. MIT sounds like a halfway point between the two - GPL favours FOSS over business, EULA favours business over FOSS, and MIT seems to sit in the middle somewhere.

I just had a look at the bounty_now page, and there's a bounty for an exchange, where adding dvc to an exchange is acceptable for the bounty. If you have a running exchange, this is extremely easy to do. That would mean the code to run has to be open source too...I can see how that would be a problem for the exchange owners. It's likely then that the code will only really be given by someone who doesn't care for being an exchange owner.

By the way...I think that bounty is pretty low for an open-source exchange, especially if someone is making it from scratch...that's more work than all I've done for open source so far...by maybe a factor of 20. Security, hosting, wallet-nitty-gritty, backups etc. I'm actually writing software that has exchange elements for my main project, and it's a ton of work. I guess the priority is what matters, and the bounty system seems to favour things the community needs first, which is fine.

Done.

I would like anyone who is willing to please email [email protected] and [email protected] (only once) to request that they consider adding devcoin to their exchange.

You can use a message similar to the example below. Please do not copy this, create your own message, the same message just makes it spam.


I have received a one line reply from coin.mx


If you are emailing coin.mx please be sure to mention that you heard they have plans to incorporate devcoin into their site and that you are looking forward to this, and grateful for their acknowledgement of the currency.

Thank you.

Thank you Unthinkingbit for the quick turnaround on those coins. I will be making another large payment around January 28+- as Unthinkingbit stated above. However that is not the end of my restitution. I will also, be sending 1/3 of my devcoin income to the end of Round 42 (minimum) or until the full amount has been repaid. I have gone beyond the terms that Unthinkingbit proposed as it is required IMO and also sends a strong message to others.

I haven't posted much here in the last month, except to help some newcomers, as I've wanted the first trench to be repaid first. Looking at my post count, those that have been around here awhile will notice that it is considerably reduced. I deleted a lot of my previous posts as I was embarrassed, childish I know, but I am still here  and I am still active in the background.

I do have some good news and I also have a PR task, but I will post those separately so messages don't get mixed. Thank you.   

Many companies often jump on the most popular bandwagon, they "go green" (look at bp's logo) or "open source" or "accept bitcoin" (virgin galactic) etc..

it's like free publicity for them.

As a heads-up for anyone who is interested, the Rapidballs lottery win (with a 50 DVC ticket) is up to 445,075 DVC.

Nova, Bitcoin, and being derived from that also Devcoin, is MIT or BSD license not GNU copyleft.

So a lot of folks hereabouts come from the side of Open Source where it is fine and dandy for corporations to hold back code, they are free to use the Bitcoin - and Devcoin - code in their own proprietary projects, even release binaries without their modified source and so on.

Satoshi evidently chose that approach in order to maximise acceptance by capitalists / capitalism, if he had made his code GNU possibly a whole lot of its major adopters would have had to first re-write equivalent functionality from scratch precisely because they have no intention of releasing their code.

I believe that Unthinkingbit did not / does not restrict the Decoin project's concept of Open Source to only the somewhat infectious GNU license, BSD and MIT also are acceptable and I think things like Perl's creative license, the Apache license and so on.

So do expect a lot of folk are not going to use GNU license and of those some or many might fully intend to go on to make their own proprietary services based on their own improvements of what they initially released as "Open Source".

You might notice for example that so far there are no good working exchanges, Ripple gateways etc etc etc in open source; the policy seems usually to be to release a broken sketchy version as open source but keep the real thing that actually works proprietary. (Which is kind of what the GNU Affero (sp?) license aims to try to put a stop to.)

I think to a lot of people / companies hereabouts "Open Source" is mostly just a marketing slogan, they release some broken stuff to get some marketing bonus from the use of such terms/slogans but are all about profit thus have no intention of actually enabling competition / competitors by giving out their real working robust production code.

-MarkM-

Exactly!

If something doesn't cost anything or has no repercussions at all, we end up with spam mail and anonymous trolls behaving like they never would in real life.

Having exposure is key to empathic socioeconomic behaviour.

I respectfully disagree. Capitalism is not the opposite of cooperation, and you're mixing metaphors. Capitalism is an economic process where the risk and reward are assumed by the few, with decisions made by everyone. Modern communism (which I think you were referring to) is an economic process where the risk and reward are assumed by everyone, but decisions made by few. Both systems work, except communist economies are slower to move, because the decisions on whether to take risks are centralized, and bad decisions affect everyone. In a capital system, every programmer makes their own decision whether to attempt the effort or not, and they assume all risk of failure...in other words, it sucks more for them if they don't "win". This is why capitalist economies perform faster than communist ones - risk of failure is extremely motivating, and people have the freedom to choose not to take it. Communism allows incompetence to fester, but will still work if the cost of failure is nil for everyone. The point behind devcoin is to progress open source, and both will do it, but one will be faster until its not, in which case, stop using it then.

Regarding code, applying capitalistic risk to the bounty system does not close the source, and if open source is cooperative as you say, how can it then be less cooperative? Capitalism vs Modern Communism is about who assumes the risk of failure.


Voting only really works if people have something to lose. If it's arbitrary voting by everyday users, for nothing but a random click, it doesn't create an accurate representation of what people actually want. Valve tried this with their Greenlight system, and have recognized what a horrible failure it was in reducing their workload, or getting better games out. If they had made people pay to vote for greenlight games, they'd have a much more realistic demand plot, because people would only vote for things they actually cared about. If the bounty system you talk about makes people contribute to the bounty as their vote, then that would work fine...but then basically you've got capitalists who are directing open source programmers...

Also, project managers are valuable, and not all programmers would make good ones.

I agree.  I envision this being the standard for ethically based endeavors to emulate.  I hope for devcoin and devtome to be industry stalwarts that stand the test of time, for it to be something my daughter, even her daughter, could benefit from as society reaps the benefits of open source projects.  Anyone who was scared of hard work would have never became a writer or programmer in the first place 

I can tell you very honestly that I do not want Devcoin to be $1 tomorrow. I want it to be whatever its going to be worth on the basis of a thriving and large developer user base. I think the latter will take at least an additional 3 years of hard work while the coin stabilizes.

I agree, that is a really nice looking forum.  Is there an ETA on it going fully live?

I noticed that when I wasn't logged in I was blocked from viewing any of the threads but when I logged in the blocking was removed. Is the forum supposed to block non-members from seeing the threads or is that just a glitch?

Nice looking forum

Bittzy78

Will the forum become the official discussionplace now?

I would like to make an improvement proposal regarding the title tags on devtome.com.

For search engines like Google it is important to have a descriptive title tag (