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I just had a look at the csv_file for round 31 and saw that I do not have any shares anymore for Devtome. However, after 1 share in round 30, I had built up about 6 shares (I think) for round 31 for Devtome writing.

Has something gone wrong with parsing or am I missing something?

http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_31.csv

The receiver and account files show you as having a total of 7 shares so far for 31.
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I just had a look at the csv_file for round 31 and saw that I do not have any shares anymore for Devtome. However, after 1 share in round 30, I had built up about 6 shares (I think) for round 31 for Devtome writing.

Has something gone wrong with parsing or am I missing something?

http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_31.csv
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Kissmyweb.com is delighted to offer webdesign services for Devcoin (and Bitcoin)



Kissmyweb.com is not a new business, we have been around for 8 years - we are not a big business, "we" are me and a group of freelance awesome guys who do custom code when I need it - and we are not a complicated business, you deal with the person working on your site directly.

I also write copy if needed, (separate from Kissmyweb.com) and accept devcoins as payment.
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Hunterbunter:
   Nice, it is easier to read that way than in the CSV. Question I have is what data in that file do most people look for when they are reading it? There is a lot in there that does nothing for most people I would think (at least for me).

It's mostly if they want to see a breakdown of why they got the word counts they got. Getting something like a 20 word-count on the account_summary is built up by their rating and popularity, and they can see if those are changing month to month. If they're writing a lot but getting fewer word counts, they'd probably want to know why - eg they might have high ratings but low popularity or vice versa, and they can work on it if they want to improve. I imagine only writers would be interested in this.

Cool, maybe we can go through the data and figure out exactly what they look at for getting that information and put it on the main page for them. Let me know what you think.
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[...]
I've just found out about https://cryptostocks.com/ while I was thinking "it would be cool if Devcoin would be supported at kickstarter and other crowdfunding sites".
Has anybody used cryptostocks already and can share some insights how it is working?

[...]

I have funneled some DVC coins to Cryptostocks.com just for the fun of it. Cryptostocks.com gives users the ability to submit a project with a (simple) business plan and attract cryptocurrency in return for shares. The shares are issued 'virtual' meaning that the shares are issued and administered via Cryptostocks. There are projects (or 'virtual companies' as you could call them) involving Bitcoin, Litecoin and also DVC. The DVC section is still very small.

Basically, you register with Cryptostocks.com, create a deposit address for DVC and move some DVC in. With this DVC deposit, you can buy shares in existing DVC projects. If a project is operated successfully, dividend will be paid over your shares. How much, when and for how long all depends on the guy that runs the project. That involves simple trust; there is no other security for you as investor.

Shares can be bought and sold at Cryptostocks.com via a simple interface.

I bought shares in the three DVC projects marked in the picture below. I did so on the basis of the past and regular dividends paid, seeking a regular return in DVC to recycle back into new shares. The annual revenue is round and about 5% in DVCs. For me that's about - drum rollz - $10 worth of Devcoins. Better than dumping DVC on the market and a fun way to play with the new possibilities of crypto currency. However, all depends on the owners of listed projects staying honest and continuing to pay out dividends.


link to image

I do not expect my shares to increase in DVC value because the dividend percentage will most likely not change. These projects are about mining which will not lead to increased mining revenue (rather the other way around). I would love to invest in a DVC project that creates revenue from other activities like advertisement, marketing, sale of goods etc. Higher risks, but also a genuine prospect of rising share value.

Of course, I could convert some DVC and invest in a BTC or LTC project that is not about mining. However, I do not want to sell DVC on the market to obtain enough BTC/LTC for that part of the Cryptostocks.com projects. Furthermore, the risk/reward keeps me from investing a lot (again, there is no security that a project owner does not run away).

Happy to elaborate if you have further queries.
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Hunterbunter:
   Nice, it is easier to read that way than in the CSV. Question I have is what data in that file do most people look for when they are reading it? There is a lot in there that does nothing for most people I would think (at least for me).

It's mostly if they want to see a breakdown of why they got the word counts they got. Getting something like a 20 word-count on the account_summary is built up by their rating and popularity, and they can see if those are changing month to month. If they're writing a lot but getting fewer word counts, they'd probably want to know why - eg they might have high ratings but low popularity or vice versa, and they can work on it if they want to improve. I imagine only writers would be interested in this.
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Since there was a little discussion on the Bounties, I figured I would actually write up what I was planning on doing with the site I was working on yesterday.

DevCoin Bounty Site Flow

== Main Bounty Page ==
  Show Open Bounties
  Show Proposed (but not accepted) Bounties
  Show Closed (paid or set to pay) Bounties
  If the user is logged in Show a button to allow them to Propose a New Bounty
  All Bounty Titles are Clickable to a Bounty Detail Page

== Bounty Detail Page ==
  Show all users:
    Title
    Description
    Proposed or Paid Shares (Shares can be changed by an admin based on comments etc)
    Date Proposed
    Date Accepted
    Date Closed (Paid or Set to Pay) 
    Who Proposed the Bounty
    Who collected the Bounty
  Logged In Users:
    Can Vote Up or Down for Proposed Bounties
    Can Comment on Any Bounty

== Propose New Bounty Page ==
  (Only Logged in Users)
  Enter a Title
  Enter a Proposed Share Amount
  Enter a Description

== Admin Page ==
  (Bounty Admins or Full Admins)
  Edit Any Part of a Bounty
  Set as Accepted (Open)
  Set as Closed (Paid or Set to Pay)
  Can also Close without Accepting which is like Killing a Proposal
    In this case a Bounty will have a Proposed Date and a Closed Date, No Collection User and No Accepted Date


This is my current thinking for the site in progress right now at http://madrabbitproductions.com/devcoin. If there are any ideas or what not on how to make it better or if you want to use the ideas to create your own site, feel free!

Chad
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Hunterbunter:
   Nice, it is easier to read that way than in the CSV. Question I have is what data in that file do most people look for when they are reading it? There is a lot in there that does nothing for most people I would think (at least for me).

Next thought:
  What is the status of any Android applications pertaining to DevCoin? Any at all?

Chad
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Yeah I agree with the Sanctioned bounties. I don't think they should be assigned for the reasons that you said. The intimidation portion I am not completely on board with, but I could see how that would be a problem possibly. It is early (in the day) and I can't think straight yet (need more coffee). I do like the option of having runner up bounties on some projects, others it doesn't make sense. I think there is a lot of improvement room, but we just have to keep hashing out ideas like we are here Smiley

Yeah runner-up bounties wouldn't make sense for all of them. There's definitely room for improvement, as novacadian mentioned above too. I think once the new forum is set up it will be much easier to discuss stuff and flesh out ideas more.

On another note, anyone who wants to explore their devtome ratings and earning amounts and all that can look it up here:

http://dvccountdown.blisteringdevelopers.com/devtome

As usual, it's searchable by name, key, or blank for everything in the file. Earliest available data is round 22, and 31 (current) hasn't been created yet.

The file it's reading is devtome.csv, which only gets updated once a month or so, but it contains all the word details and weights and everything to do with devtome writing. You can always look at the file directly, as I haven't done anything to the data, it's just for the non-technical types to be able to see it in a slightly more digestible table format without having to download the file etc. Enjoy!
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Good morning all!  I woke up to an unexpected surprise of a large DVC deposit that I have no idea who its from nor what its for.  If it was an accidental transaction, the sender can PM me with the exact amount sent so that I know they are the rightful owner and I will return it.  Thanks.  It was sent to the address in my signature.

I got one, too. I suspect it's about the issue below.

About a week ago, plagiarism was found in the articles of Notabot (Fheenix on devtome). It was just after the receiver files were made, so it was too late to regenerate the files. I talked with Notabot, and it turned out he hired a writer who was copying text. He was really sorry about it and wanted to quit. It was many articles, about 220,000 words worth, at an average of 300,000 devcoins per share, it's about 66 million devcoins. Notabot then deleted all those articles from devtome. Notabot was also selling his devcoins, so he has few left and full restitution is impossible. I judged that his repentance was sincere, and so I suggested a way to atone, following in spirit:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=conditional_forgiveness

Notabot would stop selling his devcoins, and send all but 5 million back to people at the end of December, and then send all but 5 million back at the end of the round 30 payment at the end of January. For a year, round 31 to round 42 inclusive, a third of his earnings would be sent back.

This might seem like an easy way off, because this will not pay back all the devcoins. However, it is much harder and more expensive than simply quitting.

I think this a reasonable atonement, however if a majority of admins don't want this then it's off.


Also, Matt2838, who started altcoincards.com, says the reason the site is down is because of a hosting merger.
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Good morning all!  I woke up to an unexpected surprise of a large DVC deposit that I have no idea who its from nor what its for.  If it was an accidental transaction, the sender can PM me with the exact amount sent so that I know they are the rightful owner and I will return it.  Thanks.  It was sent to the address in my signature.
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Sanctioned bounties are also a way around it - actually giving work to specific people, but that opens the door for abuse (just like banks bribing politicians to make people need banks more)...while there are benefits, the potential abuse is a big turn off. For massive projects (like blender.org), which are managed it's a bit different, and those would get maintenance pay rather than bounties - I believe this was the original intention of devcoins.

The other thing about signing up for bounties is that it can be intimidating for someone who may actually have provided the fastest/simplest implementation, but never tried, which can be avoided by it being blind.

If you're worried that at some point there will be 10 awesome developers always getting all the bounties and others work on them but never get the chance, I understand the worry (being a relatively crappy programmer), but at the very least, open source will win. The other crappy programmers and I can study what they did, while its still fresh, learn from them, and even apply it to our own projects. That's the great thing about open source. The other thing is that there will always be tons more bounties than there is the manpower to do. The demand for software (all software) is essentially infinite, so I can't imagine a time when someone can't find something to do. Heck, I could probably list 5 improvement bounties off the top of my head for the last 2-3 that I did...and the best thing with open source is that I don't have to be the one to do it. If someone looked at my code and improved it so I could use it on my website, we could even have a deal where they give me a portion in collaboration instead of going through the hassle of creating a page/domain/server specifically for it, etc, and still get the lions share of the bounty.


Yeah I agree with the Sanctioned bounties. I don't think they should be assigned for the reasons that you said. The intimidation portion I am not completely on board with, but I could see how that would be a problem possibly. It is early (in the day) and I can't think straight yet (need more coffee). I do like the option of having runner up bounties on some projects, others it doesn't make sense. I think there is a lot of improvement room, but we just have to keep hashing out ideas like we are here Smiley
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It is good to see people putting time and effort into DVC projects.
I've just found out about https://cryptostocks.com/ while I was thinking "it would be cool if Devcoin would be supported at kickstarter and other crowdfunding sites".
Has anybody used cryptostocks already and can share some insights how it is working?

What other projects do you know that involve DVC?
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I do not give financial advice .. do your own DD
I know that I am very new to this forum but I thought that I would go ahead and throw this out there to anyone who might be interested...

I bought the domain http://www.DevcoinStore.com and have been using my very limited website building skills over the last couple of days to put a website together. It is never going to look very good but it will be more about the products and customer service than a polished website.

I plan on offering products in the following categories..

1. Gift cards - Digital cards sent by email and also physical cards sent in the mail

2. Jewelry - It will mainly be items purchased from other websites and/or made by my wife

3. Computer Stuff - Small easy to ship computer related items such as games, flash drives and small components for computers.

4. Everything else - This section will be everything else that doesn't fit into the other three.

All transactions will be in Devcoins and handled through Coin Payments.

All physical items will be sent with tracking and usually in a bubble mailer. The items to big for a bubble mailer will probably be sent in a small box. I will also only ship physical items with a tracking number.

I only have two gift cards for sale at this time but plan on putting more items up during the next two days that I am off of work. I have attempted to offer some level of transparency by putting my IDs from this forum, Devtome and ebay on the site.

Once again, I have almost no website building skills whatsoever so the site will never look that good. However, I have been on ebay for many years and have a feedback score of over 1200.

I am not looking for a bounty or anything...more like trying to fill a void of where people can spend Devcoins.

 Smiley

http://www.devcoinstore.com
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Another thought on the bounty thing.

If there were problems with a number of people working on the same bounty and we have the problem with who finishes first and getting crappy results etc. we could implement it where people could sign up for the bounty. If a single bounty has a number of people signing up for it, it could be broken up or they could work together or what not. (Haven' thought that through completely) Still just a thought I guess Smiley

That's an option, but it does devalue the "true value" of devcoins imho. It reduces the competitive spirit, which will increase the time to market overall. I think collaborative pools are a better solution for projects just too difficult by themselves (just like with mining bitcoins), and even being part of a pool doesn't guarantee winning a bounty. It's this risk of loss (not winning a bounty) which gets people working faster, because they're more motivated when they decide to go for it. Having runner-up bounties is another way around it - eg 12 for the first one or two, 6 for the next two, and so on, because then it's not a completely wasted effort for the fastest workers, and there is built-in redundancy - lots of different ways of solving the same problem, which is a boon for open source (the real winner here). I think we should definitely have a collaboration subforum or something where people can find others to work on a bounty with them more easily. A website collaboration connector thing would be great too, where people list their skills and can search for others with skills they need, and I imagine that would make for a good bounty in the future. Bounties should be about seeding ideas that we want the open source community to grow.

Sanctioned bounties are also a way around it - actually giving work to specific people, but that opens the door for abuse (just like banks bribing politicians to make people need banks more)...while there are benefits, the potential abuse is a big turn off. For massive projects (like blender.org), which are managed it's a bit different, and those would get maintenance pay rather than bounties - I believe this was the original intention of devcoins.

The other thing about signing up for bounties is that it can be intimidating for someone who may actually have provided the fastest/simplest implementation, but never tried, which can be avoided by it being blind.

If you're worried that at some point there will be 10 awesome developers always getting all the bounties and others work on them but never get the chance, I understand the worry (being a relatively crappy programmer), but at the very least, open source will win. The other crappy programmers and I can study what they did, while its still fresh, learn from them, and even apply it to our own projects. That's the great thing about open source. The other thing is that there will always be tons more bounties than there is the manpower to do. The demand for software (all software) is essentially infinite, so I can't imagine a time when someone can't find something to do. Heck, I could probably list 5 improvement bounties off the top of my head for the last 2-3 that I did...and the best thing with open source is that I don't have to be the one to do it. If someone looked at my code and improved it so I could use it on my website, we could even have a deal where they give me a portion in collaboration instead of going through the hassle of creating a page/domain/server specifically for it, etc, and still get the lions share of the bounty.

It doesn't have to work the way that I'm describing here; I just believe that if it does, devcoins and http://devtome.com in particular will become much more valuable much more quickly. It's a more capitalist way of doing things. Crappy results should be filtered out by the administrators, and if someone wins a bounty but has crappy code/skills, it's probably because the criteria for it weren't specific or clear enough. If the administrators are satisfied with the results matching the criteria, then the bounties are complete - keep in mind all bounties are open for a few days after claiming, and objections are encouraged/noted. After the fact, it's just wasting time.

Of course, all of this is only applicable if you consider devcoins from the perspective of a bitcoin competitive mining analogy, which I don't believe was the original intention. I'm still waiting to hear the original devcoiner's thoughts on this, on whether that has changed. Even if it wasn't the original intention, I believe this perspective still fits the devcoin motto perfectly: "From the many, one. From one, the source".
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Hello everyone,

The forum @ http://162.243.37.115 now bans users from viewing your topics if they are on your ignore list.
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Tried logging in yet novacadian was not recognized. That could explain why my test 1000 word entry in DevTome never received a share. Smiley That whole issue is another area that does not seem user friendly enough for prime time. At least DevTome seems to have attracted the People Power to take things to that next level though.
 
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Yeah I couldn't find your name in the account files yet. It isn't ready for prime time and never was meant to be, it is a prototype, and probably will never be anything but a prototype. It is just for messing around with ideas. I didn't want to set up the site where people had to sign up (create an account on the site). I figured I would just use the account files so people could see their shares on the main page, and it just spread when I decided to add the bounty section. If we decide to use the bounty section more than it is right now then maybe I will set it up where people have to sign up and create an account (then have to link it to their devtome account if they want to see their shares etc...)
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I may have a first rev up today, not sure yet Smiley  Will be at http://madrabbitproductions.com/devcoin/

Tried logging in yet novacadian was not recognized. That could explain why my test 1000 word entry in DevTome never received a share. Smiley That whole issue is another area that does not seem user friendly enough for prime time. At least DevTome seems to have attracted the People Power to take things to that next level though.
 
- Nova

If you started writing for this round, you probably aren't on the earning list yet. We deal with this a couple days prior to (or after) the round ends, vetting new writers to see who meets the criteria and who doesn't.
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I may have a first rev up today, not sure yet Smiley  Will be at http://madrabbitproductions.com/devcoin/

Tried logging in yet novacadian was not recognized. That could explain why my test 1000 word entry in DevTome never received a share. Smiley That whole issue is another area that does not seem user friendly enough for prime time. At least DevTome seems to have attracted the People Power to take things to that next level though.
 
- Nova
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Another thought on the bounty thing.

If there were problems with a number of people working on the same bounty and we have the problem with who finishes first and getting crappy results etc. we could implement it where people could sign up for the bounty. If a single bounty has a number of people signing up for it, it could be broken up or they could work together or what not. (Haven' thought that through completely) Still just a thought I guess Smiley
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