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Devcoin Bounty Engine
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Looking good!  Should we assign a bounty to this to help kick things off?  e.g. 12 shares or so, depending on the difficulty

You are more then welcome to for someone else to start one, the one I am working on I figure there wasn't a bounty for (out of love of the community I guess Smiley )  

ps. Prolly more just to see if I could do it Smiley

pps. Wow, I didn't see the proposal till I wrote this one! That is nice! I can incorporate some into it, but iti s mostly just a prototype site so nothing is open source so to speak (PHP and not ready for prime time) Love that proposal! Ok, back to work...
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Devcoin Bounty Engine
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Looking good!  Should we assign a bounty to this to help kick things off?  e.g. 12 shares or so, depending on the difficulty
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Also there should be a possibility to donate your own devcoins (not from the 90%)

There must also be a possibility to take pledged money back if a proposed project/development does for some reason die or selfdestruct.

So many thoughts...

That is a great idea to add to the bounties as well! I may look into doing something like that once I am done with the "official bounty" thing. I will have to look into more of how things work on the back end to do something like that, but it is a really good idea. There are going to be things that people want to have done that won't get picked up by the official group, and they should be able to fund it themselves.

Chad

Forgive me for posting this plan here, but I don't have access to Devtome. I have been working on it over the last few hours and think it is relevant to the discussion. Let me know what you think

Devcoin Bounty Engine

Introduction

Devcoin’s model of paying out shares of coins for creative, technical and administrative work has a few barriers in its way if it wishes to extend beyond a few people that make up the current community. As of today, the process for suggesting what will be paid out consists of a member of the bitcointalk community writing on the forum with an idea for a proposed bounty. Other members may then discuss the idea and an Admin will finally validate the idea into a bounty by posting it on the Devtome bounty page. This process is cumbersome, needlessly complicated and does not allow for  a democratically popular vote. If we wish to move Devcoin forward, we need to have people trust that bounties are not being created out self interest but instead to expand public domain and open source material.

I propose creating a website that functions as platform for people to propose bounties and vote for which they want to see move forward.

Bounty Engine

From here forward, I shall refer to the this website as a bounty engine seeing as how it functions an engine of creation.

Model

This idea for a bounty engine is modeled after bountysource.com, a website that helps complete open-source projects by allowing people to propose bounties.

Summary

The Devcoin bounty engine will allow for bounties to be proposed by active users. These proposed bounties will then be voted on by the members of the community. If they pass they are allowed to be funded by members of the community directly as well as shares of Devcoin blocks. If a person is able to complete the project proposed in the bounty the community will then decide whether the project meets the specification original proposed. If so, the bounty is awarded.

Proposing a Bounty

Any active member can propose a bounty (see below in bounty funding for the definition of active member.) A bounty proposal must be no longer than 150 words and written with clear objectives. Once a bounty proposal is created the week long vetting process begins. Under the bounty proposal description is a “pro column” and a “con column”.  Members of the community can place comments in either the pro or the con column with their opinions. These comments get voted up or down, so that the most popular comment for and against the creation of this bounty are at the top of the respective columns. At the end of the week the most valuable comments for and against the proposed bounty should be visible at the top of the columns.


Voting

Any active member can vote. Voting is open for a week. For a bounty to pass, it needs a total of half the points equal to the number of active users at the time the voting starts. For example, if there are 100 active users at the time voting begins, you will need 50 points by the end of the week. A “yes vote” is equal to +5 points and a “no vote” is equal to -4 points. Therefore, at least 10% of active users need to participate to get a vote passed. If, for example, there were 100 active users and everyone were to vote, 50 yes and 50 no, the vote would just barely pass will 50 points. Once voting is complete and a proposal has passed it becomes a bounty.

Bounty Funding

Bounties are funded in two ways, community funding and share funding.

Community Funding

Signing up to be an active member requires paying at least 1000 Devcoins for 30 days in advance of it begin spent. In other words, to become an active member you must pay at least 1000 Devcoins every 30 days (or 12000 a year) with that money being spent on bounties throughout the next 30 day period. You can always pay more if you want to fund more projects, but 1000 Devcoins a month is the minimum.

When you put your initial 1000 Devcoins in an active user account you must choose at least one bounty to which you wish to contribute.

Every second 0.00037500 Devcoin is subtracted from your 1000 Devcoins and go into you bounty(s) of your choice. I’ll call this drip system funding. You can choose up to 6 projects you wish to fund simultaneously.

If you choose 1 it is for each bounty: 0.00037500
If you choose 2 it is for each bounty: 0.00018750
If you choose 3 it is for each bounty: 0.00012500
If you choose 4 it is for each bounty: 0.00009375
If you choose 5 it is for each bounty: 0.00007500
If you choose 6 it is for each bounty: 0.00006250

Over a 30 day period this is 972 Devcoins, with 28 Devcoins remaining for transaction fees.

The idea behind drip system funding is that the price of the bounty is incrementally increasing and allows for a more dynamic feel and encourage people to fund bounties as well as complete them.

If dripping is stopped for more than a week, meaning no one giving the bounty any money, the bounty is closed and the coins are spread to all open bounties. (I don’t for see this happening very often since it doesn’t take much to keep a bounty active. It would help bounties from remaining open for years without any activity.)

Share Funding

Beyond community fund, coins can also come from shares paid out by the Devcoin blockchain. A certain amount of funding can be extended to the Devcoin bounty engine much like it is to Devtome and split among open bounties. How this might be funded would take some more careful consideration.

Claiming a bounty

If you feel like you have fulfilled the requirements of the bounties you can submit your bounty claim. Once a bounty claim is submitted, admins verify that the bounty had been completed. (This could eventually also be done by voting or some other democratic method) The bounty is left open for a week after it has been completed to let other people submit bounty claims for second and third place. If for any reason the first bounty claim did not satisfy the bounty specifications, the bounty will be award to the runner up. The payout scheme for bounty claims submitted before the one week deadline are as follows:

1st and only legitimate claim: 100% of bounty
1st legitimate claim with runner up: 75% bounty, runner up: 25%
1st legitimate claim with runner up and third place: 70% bounty, runner up: 20%,  third place 10%

Projects that can be funded with this model

The Devcoin bounty engine would not just be limited to open source code, but allow for all sorts of creative projects to be funded. We can imagine a future where a lot of small scale public projects are funded through this format.

Why Devcoin?

It’s value is low enough that it can work mathematically.
It already has an existing bounty system in place that can be utilized to make this bounty engine work.

Conclusion

The preceding plan is just one way that this can all come together. Though many have put together ideas for ways bounties can be created, I hope that by being more specific I can move this discussion to the next stage.

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Also there should be a possibility to donate your own devcoins (not from the 90%)

There must also be a possibility to take pledged money back if a proposed project/development does for some reason die or selfdestruct.

So many thoughts...

That is a great idea to add to the bounties as well! I may look into doing something like that once I am done with the "official bounty" thing. I will have to look into more of how things work on the back end to do something like that, but it is a really good idea. There are going to be things that people want to have done that won't get picked up by the official group, and they should be able to fund it themselves.

Chad

Atleast every developer should have a score, a rating system that shows if they messed up in the past.
That's how a fair free market works. Every form of transparency is welcomed, aslong as it doesn't violate privacy.
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Also there should be a possibility to donate your own devcoins (not from the 90%)

There must also be a possibility to take pledged money back if a proposed project/development does for some reason die or selfdestruct.

So many thoughts...

That is a great idea to add to the bounties as well! I may look into doing something like that once I am done with the "official bounty" thing. I will have to look into more of how things work on the back end to do something like that, but it is a really good idea. There are going to be things that people want to have done that won't get picked up by the official group, and they should be able to fund it themselves.

Chad
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My longer-term business plan involved something like that (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=development_exchange) but actually directed at the opposite non-core devcoin bounties and work, although I agree a more structured way to organise bounties would be helpful.

Very interesting to hear about that.

I agree that we need something that brings demand and supply together, so that things that are wanted are created, and things that are unneeded are shunned.
(ofcourse it's not that easy, because how do you know what is needed? Sometimes a solution is only visible in hindsight, for example you do a lot of research & development that could be considered wasted in hindsight, but was nonetheless necessary. Sometimes it's not a targeted process.)

People who visit devtome (or other devcoin "departments") should have an easy possibility to express what they want and need.
Also they should have a possibility to easily check if someone else has already started a project that fits their own specifications.
Something like kickstarter, but instead every registered user can give his one vote/share of the total 180 mill.
Also there should be a possibility to donate your own devcoins (not from the 90%)

There must also be a possibility to take pledged money back if a proposed project/development does for some reason die or selfdestruct.

So many thoughts...
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That's an interesting site, didn't know anything about it. My longer-term business plan involved something like that (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=development_exchange) but actually directed at the opposite non-core devcoin bounties and work, although I agree a more structured way to organise bounties would be helpful.

Another couple of things I've come across that were also interesting re. Devcoin angle:
http://ejohn.org/blog/gittip-at-khan-academy/
payswarm (cached - seems to have been subsumed in past week by web-payments.org which looks more about bigger picture Open Transactions perspective, although not sure how 'open').


Nice, I am by no means capable of pulling something like that off on my own, but it is interesting!  I am going to keep moving forward with my vision of the bounty tracker for DevCoin as I see it, but I could see possibly integrating it with the exchange you mentioned as well. I will follow any developments you may have in that area! Great write-up too by the way!
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Hi all,

I have been looking around for ideas to make bounties a bit more organized. A forum is good for open discussion but does not present proposed bounties in an organized fashion. I found bountysource.com. Heard of it?

I have a few ideas on how to tweek this model to make it work with devcoin, but I'd like to get peoples opinions on the feasibilty of actually making a website devoted to devcoin bounties before launch ideas. It would take serious man power to get it off the ground but might help make this opensource project even more open.

I was thinking about putting together a business plan if people show some interest.
That's an interesting site, didn't know anything about it. My longer-term business plan involved something like that (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=development_exchange) but actually directed at the opposite non-core devcoin bounties and work, although I agree a more structured way to organise bounties would be helpful.

Another couple of things I've come across that were also interesting re. Devcoin angle:
http://ejohn.org/blog/gittip-at-khan-academy/
payswarm (cached - seems to have been subsumed in past week by web-payments.org which looks more about bigger picture Open Transactions perspective, although not sure how 'open').
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Hi all,

I have been looking around for ideas to make bounties a bit more organized. A forum is good for open discussion but does not present proposed bounties in an organized fashion. I found bountysource.com. Heard of it?

I have a few ideas on how to tweek this model to make it work with devcoin, but I'd like to get peoples opinions on the feasibilty of actually making a website devoted to devcoin bounties before launch ideas. It would take serious man power to get it off the ground but might help make this opensource project even more open.

I was thinking about putting together a business plan if people show some interest.

I have something in the works for this at the moment. Just thought I would let you know Smiley


That's great. Do you mean that you have a plan in the works that you are writing or actually already putting together the site?


Well, I have started coding, though it isn't going to be as intricate as the "bountysource.com" site. I am mostly putting it together so the bounty admins have a place to track it  and everyone can propose and vote on proposed bounties. Since the admin have to approve a bounty and they have to do things on the back end once a bounty is completed.  I am sure it is going to go through a bunch of iterations, but still I don't foresee it being anything like Bountysource.com since it doesn't quite work that way with devcoin bounties.  I may have a first rev up today, not sure yet Smiley  Will be at http://madrabbitproductions.com/devcoin/
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Hi all,

I have been looking around for ideas to make bounties a bit more organized. A forum is good for open discussion but does not present proposed bounties in an organized fashion. I found bountysource.com. Heard of it?

I have a few ideas on how to tweek this model to make it work with devcoin, but I'd like to get peoples opinions on the feasibilty of actually making a website devoted to devcoin bounties before launch ideas. It would take serious man power to get it off the ground but might help make this opensource project even more open.

I was thinking about putting together a business plan if people show some interest.

I have something in the works for this at the moment. Just thought I would let you know Smiley


That's great. Do you mean that you have a plan in the works that you are writing or actually already putting together the site?
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I have no clue Smiley Any ideas on other things we can put up there?

Looks nice. Maybe you can add thousands separators to make bigger numbers better readable, for example here:

DVC / BTC   1,149,425.28735632
Est. DVC Per Share   205,479

done Smiley Thanx Smiley
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I have no clue Smiley Any ideas on other things we can put up there?

Looks nice. Maybe you can add thousands separators to make bigger numbers better readable, for example here:

DVC / BTC   1,149,425.28735632
Est. DVC Per Share   205,479
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I cannot quite catch what you need.... for the current round (paying out) info, you should refer to official https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity , and for the next round (that changing from time to time), you may find the infos from http://d.evco.in/charity , and I update the script every day at  about UTC+2.  Isn't that enough?


Hey emfox!  I have been working on something similar to your site and just playing around with what I can get out of it. Maybe we can merge efforts or bounce ideas off each other or something. I am also working on a few other things I have seen mentioned on the board here.  Right now the prototype is at: http://madrabbitproductions.com/devcoin/

Chad

How to and what should I do? could you be more in details? your prototype looks pretty Smiley


I have no clue Smiley Any ideas on other things we can put up there?  I was going to set it up so that when logged in it will allow you to see a graph of your shares from round 22 on. Other then that right now I am working on a bounty organizer page. I just didn't want to take away from your page, just figured since I had made this one as well we could share ideas or what not. Smiley
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I recommend you get a windowing system that works but otherwise you might try the extensions, such as:

https://extensions.gnome.org/review/1591

Ha, this desktop is running Fedora 17, with Gnome 3, albeit in the tuned down mode that makes it try to look more like Gnome 2.

When I visit that page it tells me right at the top of the page

"We cannot detect a running copy of GNOME on this system, so some parts of the interface may be disabled. See our troubleshooting entry for more information."

In theory I can run some other windowing manager such as KDE, which I might actually find I like better since I have never liked Gnome 3.

But in practice I have been trying to get all my machines as raw out of the box standard as possible, so as to minimise the amount of setup needed each time I set up a new box and so the live boot disks work just like the ones that have the O/S installed to hard disk.

It is quite annoying that they insist on coming out of the box broken by design.

I would almost be tempted to figure I should move to Ubuntu since that seems to be the new standard "everyone" is using, but I hear that now comes totally infested with spyware by design so that is right out.

So far none of the extensions packages mentioned seem to exist for Fedora, maybe they just bundle them differently into differently named packages I am not sure yet. I need to get my country house re-wired and get out there, then I will have space and electricity to screw around with trying to find a usable setup to switch all my machines over to.

What is going on with the checksums thing that is going to break all existing assets, server-IDs, nyms, accounts and so on? I do not think setting Grandma up for having to do a big migration of all her nyms and accounts and so on is a good idea, if that stuff has to go in it should probably go right into Grandma's client from the start else we are just setting her up for a huge amount of work she will end up having to do to upgrade to the next version at some point, work that probably isn't really the kind of stuff we should expect Grandmas to do...

-MarkM-
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Hi all,

I have been looking around for ideas to make bounties a bit more organized. A forum is good for open discussion but does not present proposed bounties in an organized fashion. I found bountysource.com. Heard of it?

I have a few ideas on how to tweek this model to make it work with devcoin, but I'd like to get peoples opinions on the feasibilty of actually making a website devoted to devcoin bounties before launch ideas. It would take serious man power to get it off the ground but might help make this opensource project even more open.

I was thinking about putting together a business plan if people show some interest.

I have something in the works for this at the moment. Just thought I would let you know Smiley
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Hi , i know all you guys are working hard to promote devcoin and i think your doing a great job .
sure devcoin is going to have a good year this year .The problem so far as i see it ...not just with devcoin , but all the cryptocurrenceys in general including bitcoin: is there is nothing much out there to spend it on.!
 speculation seems to be the only reason to get involved.
i have been thinking of ways that could make devcoin more attractive and products that everyone needs on a daily basis that could be purchased with devcoin to get a jump up on all the other currencies out there.. i am in the uk and the product i have come up with is mobile phone credit.
when you buy a ten pound  top up voucher from a conveinance store the store owner makes 40 pence no doubt the payment processing teminal also makes about 60p so you only realy get nine pounds of airtime for your your ten. there are websites that you can use to top up anyones phone not just your own just buy simply entering their number. therfore if it is possible to buy airtime direct or wholesale direct from the phone networks and sell top up vouchers accepting devcoin by cutting the middle men out it should be possible to sell ten pounds credit for nine pounds which would be very attractive . the cryptocurency comming in for this service of course could also be sold on again at a mark up to keep it turning over and at the same time get a lot of atention to devcoin by word of mouth ebay advertizing ect. i have attempted to make a  demo website using a webbuilder as i am not a techie just to show the idea. not sure if i should post it here as i dont want to tout bussiness in here and kicked off.
i would like to get involved more somehow as i think devcoin is the only cryptocurrency that has a very long term future because its not just about making the money it,s about the people behind it and getting a fair share of work put in . none of the others do this so it really is a no brainer
looking forward to your thoughts any feedback. happy new year to all jason t
Hi. Don't know how that's done with mobile credit and accounts but it's a good idea, particularly for the younger demographic and particularly if there's some price or transaction advantage. I don't see any harm in showing a demo of a devcoin businees here Smiley - instead your biggest risk is if it's a good idea it might be copied and implemented before you're done, alternatively maybe someone with the skillset could help? I'm also in the UK and completely selfishly a local version of the giftcard enterprise would get regular business from me.

robcop: http://faucet.d.evco.in/
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I really love this coin already!!!!
Help a brother get started: 1GcX26u1UE3iABUEArU5YxNbaXzMieVFar
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I cannot quite catch what you need.... for the current round (paying out) info, you should refer to official https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity , and for the next round (that changing from time to time), you may find the infos from http://d.evco.in/charity , and I update the script every day at  about UTC+2.  Isn't that enough?


Hey emfox!  I have been working on something similar to your site and just playing around with what I can get out of it. Maybe we can merge efforts or bounce ideas off each other or something. I am also working on a few other things I have seen mentioned on the board here.  Right now the prototype is at: http://madrabbitproductions.com/devcoin/

Chad

How to and what should I do? could you be more in details? your prototype looks pretty Smiley
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I have tried it on Fedora 17 and on Fedora 19.

Fedora might maybe have some kind of problem with the concept of a "system tray", which seems to be a mac and/or windows concept.

However, it might be the case that more grandmas use windows or mac than use various types of Linux? (Is Android a type of Linux?) so maybe that is okay?

FellowTraveler basically just says Fedora must be using a broken windowing system or something.

1. We have many users on Linux who are able to use it just fine -- it's not a problem with Linux.

2. Google this:  "system tray" broken on Fedora.

Notice all the complaints and bug reports related to this issue on Fedora. (For other apps, like Dropbox, Skype, etc.)

3. Google these:
   A. solved "system tray" fedora
   B how to fix "system tray" fedora

(You can see there are many various solutions for this as well.)


"The missing system tray icons in Fedora 19 Gnome3"
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=974937

"System Tray: You know that nice thing in the bottom right of your screen that you think even the dumbest fool couldn't break? They broke it."
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/01/23/230255/alan-cox-fedora-18-the-worst-red-hat-distro-switches-to-ubuntu

"Once installing Fedora 19 Desktop Edition, I run the systray of Qt Example. But I could not look for the system tray icon. There is no Notification area in the Activities overview."
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17460705/the-missing-system-tray-icons-on-fedora-19-desktop-edition

"I know that Gnome and Canonical have a thing for dismissing the importance of the system tray, but hiding it in such an arcane manner is just plain stupid."
http://spiralinear.org/forum/discussion/1048/gnome-3-6-review-fedora-18-approaching-maturity-but-still-has-major-issues-ahead/p1

"Hi everyone. I'm having some difficulties when i minimize a program to tray (system tray). Everytime i did it the icon that should be at the tray simply does not appear."
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/9302/minimize-to-tray/

"Gnome3 system tray not working."
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=166346

"Gnome 3 system tray area not working"
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1044335

"I just installed Ubuntu 12.04 and after sorting out some other problems, I now have this problem; No system tray for HPLIP. running Gnome, rebooted quite a few times, so this problem is new."
http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=10323.0

"Most of the extensions should just work, but they don’t, because GNOME Shell extensions are broken by design. Let me count the ways:"
http://sc3d.tumblr.com/post/34163672571/gnome-3-extensions-the-madness-must-end

"I have a weird problem. Icons in tray area are just disappeared"
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1044322

"i think gnome15 is installed because my keyboard lights are red [they are always blue if its not working] but unfortunatly i can't see system tray"
http://www.russo79.com/forum/gnome-15/support-and-answers/184

"Tried all possible ways to give visibility to tray icons"
http://askubuntu.com/questions/136733/some-system-tray-icons-invisible-in-gnome-classic-12-04

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MarkM:

I think the problem is that Gnome may have put the systray into an extension.

We discussed this on IRC previously -- have you installed the systray extension?

I recommend you get a windowing system that works but otherwise you might try the extensions, such as:

https://extensions.gnome.org/review/1591

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P.S. most Linux users do not have this problem. lclc, randy, da2ce7, and others have not reported any problems, so it's not specific to Linux. And of course the problem doesn't occur on Mac or Windows either.

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Hi all,

I have been looking around for ideas to make bounties a bit more organized. A forum is good for open discussion but does not present proposed bounties in an organized fashion. I found bountysource.com. Heard of it?

I have a few ideas on how to tweek this model to make it work with devcoin, but I'd like to get peoples opinions on the feasibilty of actually making a website devoted to devcoin bounties before launch ideas. It would take serious man power to get it off the ground but might help make this opensource project even more open.

I was thinking about putting together a business plan if people show some interest.
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