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Hello everyone,

The forum @ http://162.243.37.115 now bans users from viewing your topics if they are on your ignore list.

Yeah I couldn't find your name in the account files yet. It isn't ready for prime time and never was meant to be, it is a prototype, and probably will never be anything but a prototype. It is just for messing around with ideas. I didn't want to set up the site where people had to sign up (create an account on the site). I figured I would just use the account files so people could see their shares on the main page, and it just spread when I decided to add the bounty section. If we decide to use the bounty section more than it is right now then maybe I will set it up where people have to sign up and create an account (then have to link it to their devtome account if they want to see their shares etc...)

If you started writing for this round, you probably aren't on the earning list yet. We deal with this a couple days prior to (or after) the round ends, vetting new writers to see who meets the criteria and who doesn't.

Tried logging in yet novacadian was not recognized. That could explain why my test 1000 word entry in DevTome never received a share. That whole issue is another area that does not seem user friendly enough for prime time. At least DevTome seems to have attracted the People Power to take things to that next level though.
 
- Nova

Another thought on the bounty thing.

If there were problems with a number of people working on the same bounty and we have the problem with who finishes first and getting crappy results etc. we could implement it where people could sign up for the bounty. If a single bounty has a number of people signing up for it, it could be broken up or they could work together or what not. (Haven' thought that through completely) Still just a thought I guess

Novacadian,
   I see your point. Maybe that is why I was having trouble figuring out how it worked. Some of my ideas for the system fit with yours. I wanted to make it clearer than the forums for people to see what bounties have been proposed, accepted, closed etc. I think it is above my paygrade for how to price them (in shares I mean). If you login on the site you can propose bounties, vote on them or comment on them. Otherwise you can just see the bounties and the details for them. I figured if each of the proposed bounties were able to be voted on and commented on, everything would work itself out as far as shares for the bounty, what it would entail, and exactly how to implement the bounty. I also figured they would change from the original proposal to a more detailed bounty as well as something that more people were looking for etc. The sub bounties would be awesome. I will see what I can do to implement that as well on the site. Not sure that I would let anyone do it, just the admins, but still it is a good idea. I will have to think harder on the arbitration part of things, didn't think about that.

It sounds like you aren't connecting to any servers. So the request has been created, but not sent. Has your client downloaded the whole blockchain? Has it ever connected to the servers? If not it could be that the ports are blocked on your connection. Which client are you using?

The idea of the Bounty cgi/site sounds like a great idea; however it may be a bit of the cart before the horse. In my opinion, how bounties are handled should be the first order of the debate. My experience with a current Bounty has been overall a positive experience, so far, yet it has shown many weaknesses in the Bounty system from the perspective of one seeking the Bounty.

These weaknesses are at a very minimum at the moment, yet with a more public system as is being suggested and the potential of a growth of the number of Bounties, those weaknesses should be made more evident.

Here are some points that should be discussed in my opinion....

Creating Bounties

One weakness seems to be the process of creating an official bounty.

It is one thing to come up with a great idea for something that seems to have a need, yet that idea should be looked at by an individual or group of individuals that could probably do the Bounty themselves, if they so desired, so as to come up with an educated estimates of what the project/bounty will entail in terms of hours and know how. My suggestion would be that the same person or group of persons would also use some ranking system which would clearly state the required skills to complete the task.

If such a person or group of persons were not available for a particular project/Bounty then it should fall into a bidding system whereby those that do know what it would take say how many shares they would want to do it.

A Bounty should also be broken down into as small a group of sub-bounties as possible so that different people can work on the overall project in a collaborate fashion without walking on one another's toes; nor dealing with an overly ambitious project/Bounty that would have to be fully completed before being eligible for the working parts that have been completed.  As the proposed cgi/site brings the Bounty concept to a wider audience competition would make them less and less attractive, because of the first across the line approach, and probably make the finished product(s) less well done as coders scramble to be the first to release. My approach would probably be to complete an idea and then post it as a potential Bounty. If it was excepted then step forward to take the prize. This is obviously not the intention of the Bounty Site; yet would be one of it's fatal weaknesses.

There has to be some means that a person is given rope enough to complete a bounty without having to look over their shoulder along the way. This could be more easily done with an educated review of proposed bounties, as mentioned above, with expected lead time. Breaking the projects/Bounties into their smallest parts would better allow this without delaying the overall project.

Pricing Bounties

It is also my contention that the entire pricing of Bounties is out of whack at the moment. That discussion is not new to this thread. It would have been just as profitable to write in the DevTome about the different aspects of the project, without typing a line of code, to get shares that could easily approach the Bounty payout itself. Pages on procmail, SMF, about my days admining a yaBB SE forum, about the fork to SMF and all the versions that have followed with minute details of mods along the way. We are talking thousands of words. Why bother to program when such payouts are being given to simply write about it? For me the choice is obvious; coding is an rewarding activity. Writing spam for DevCoins is not.

Arbitration of Bounty Claims

Then there is the inevitable disagreements over who the Bounty rightfully goes to. Some arbitration body would be needed if Bounties are being handed out to the public at large and not the small and friendly community of this thread.

In my opinion the present Bounty System is not ready for prime time.

- Nova


 

Glad you guys liked the idea! Hope some of these ideas can actually be incorporated into a functional site.

im trying to send devcoins to somebody but they wont send  0.0
when I check the client it says status: 0/offline ?   the coins left my wallet.

Been waiting for 2 hours and it's still the same.

Well in that case, I am sure there are much better artists here than me!  I will leave that to them!

Oh, I was being serious and I think it would make a good bounty fetching mascot for Devcoin.



Bittzy78

LOL I a not sure how to take that! Now I may just have to play with making something like that just for the hell of it! LOL

That site would look great if it featured a rodeo version of one of the Devcoin logos. Could be a big D with arms and legs (and a cowboy hat of course) trying to lasso himself up some Devcoins.

Sadly, I have no ability to make the logo I just mentioned.

Bittzy78

Hmmm that's possible. I was talking about the bounty site like on the page in my signature. It isn't done by any means, but that is where the ideas were coming from. I thought you were talking about the same thing. As far as the shares and the monetary thing, they are nice, but that isn't what I am going for at the moment I am just trying to learn all I can about the system.

Think I might be getting confused between different ideas, but in general I reckon all constructive ideas are good - putting them in practice even better. I don't have the skills to build these things so I go for shares/monetary contribution and then using them. If you build a site and it's implemented then I'll contribute to any bounty or give you something myself regardless, I see that as the essence of the way devcoin should work. All thoughts count, that's the point I was making about how input into any system would work - i.e. making sure it's as inclusive as possible.

Alright, I guess my thoughts count now since I am needed (I'm just messing with ya!)

1) Yes start simple, add functionality (that is what I am working towards right now)
2) The automated DVC I was talking about was how to add a receiver line automatically once an admin approves a bounty payout.
3) The input will be simple for proposing, I figured the vetting and voting will take care of itself through comments and the voting I am putting into place
4) I am not sure about the pros/cons yet for having to have a devtome account, I am just doing that because I don't want to have to make people sign up for the site I am creating, I am just using usernames that are in the account files.
5) The system I am creating could be moved to any site that is running on a LAMP server. It can be edited to work on IIS or WAMP if need be. But, it is hard coded at this time for my server and database layout. It is a prototype after all!

I wasn't looking to get a bounty for what I was working on and I don't want to take away from anyone else that is working on things like I have on the site. Everyone is welcome to use what is there and make suggestions and what not, but I can't warranty any of it! At least not yet! 

Chad

Loving the ideas. I once wrote a bounty for a bounty site (official devcoin bounties, not a free market exchange). I didn't submit it because I wasn't sure enough was in place, or priority was high enough. As it's now subject of discussion here's what I wrote with a bit added which sort of gives my own opinion on certain aspects:


Some thoughts since then:

1) With devcoin.org and a forum coming, they do perhaps already offer a venue where basic bounties could be hosted/linked?
2) Actually starting the process with integral vetting requires people and skillsets - perhaps quite a few - certainly in providing any meaningful appraisal of code/tech prior to end product. Without it there could be a simple skew towards ideas rather than doable ideas because average users (like me) might not appreciate what's involved in fulfilling the bounty?
3) A means of automating that system (paying dvc) is an interesting idea. Would that be added to the recipients final bounty payment, or are you referring to different systems?
4) Tying that in to having a devtome account is another thing I hadn't even considered, not sure yet about relative pros/cons of that, because there's a potential risk that the people voting will be the least attuned to to the bounty skillset?
5) Less complicated is better, at least to begin with?

dalamar96: Bounties are paid out from generation devcoin like all other direct devcoin earnings.

awww I'm needed! Heh, I will help where I can, though with work and home I can't promise anything   Besides I have a lot to learn about how these currencies work. Especially the back end and how everything talks to each other and what not!

So every new developer is absolutely welcomed and needed. (that's you, you are needed.)