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November 30, 2013, 04:51:17 PM
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RE-Edit: I found this site http://devcointalk.org/ Why does it not qualify for the bounty? Before I add another site to our list, someone tell me if I'm doing right or not...now I may have wasted a domain name...doh!

It doesn't qualify yet because the bounty requires code changes to the Simple Machines Forum (SMF) code. That is the hard part and why no one has claimed the bounty even though it's been there for several months. Someone else also thought it meant just making a forum, so I added an explanation to the bounty which now reads:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now#forum

"The forum bounty requires programming, changing the Simple Machines Forum (SMF) code, it can not be accomplished just by making a forum and changing settings. The features mentioned below are for all users, not just forum administrators.

24 shares plus six million devcoins for a Simple Machines Forum (SMF) cryptocoin forum with email. Also, 24 shares plus six million devcoins for the option for the Original Poster to add moderators, and another 24 shares plus six million devcoins for the option to block trolls either by adding a block list or by automatically blocking everyone on the Original Poster's ignore list."

I doubt if any old bounties need to be doubled or increased because the exchange rate has skyrocketed lately, not only the rae against bitcoin but also the rate against fiat because bitcoin itself has also been skyrocketing. Devcoins might actually be worth more right now per coin than they have ever been.

They are worth more than they've ever been, right now about 0.071 cents:
http://coinmarketcap.com/

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So I suggest letting the increase in value of cryptocoins in general, the tide that is floating all boats lately, take care of making existing bounties start to look good again.

Unless the problem is that the pay for devtome writing will still keep dwarfing the pay for normal bounties since it too is floated by the same tide?

Yup, that is the problem. Also, programming the forum is doable but hard. Paying a few 48 share bounties to get a forum with all those features, finally fixing trolling and spam, would be so worth it.

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If so maybe we should consider making a thousand words be a fifth of a share instead of a full share, since we also only have a maximim number of shares in a round no matter how much writing anyone does.

It's much easier to change bounties that change the code for earnings.
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November 30, 2013, 04:33:41 PM
I have a YouTube account named "Official Devcoin Channel (DVC)" which has been sitting idle waiting for quality videos. Marketing wise, having Smeagols video there (after the 95% changed to 90%) would look professional, and is something that we can build on down the road. Thoughts?

Well done Smeagol! 

Thanks psybits, markm, and weisoq!  It would be great if the video was put on the Official Channel.  I'm in the process of changing the stats and also will change the music to something under the CC license so then it'll reflect the open-source philosophy of devcoin.  I'll update this post once I'm done.
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November 30, 2013, 02:23:19 PM
I'm not in favour of reducing writer pay to 1/5th a share per 1000 words, but I don't mind  the idea of reducing the total allowed number of shares per round, but I'm not sure of the purpose.  With the prices soaring that should give the incentive we need for the bounties to get done, provided the bounties are promoted enough.

Unless the basic problem is the fact that one can maybe make way the heck more money rambling on for thousands of words about some piece of vapourware one would like to develop or like to see developed by someone else than one could possibly hope to make by actually writing code...

Or just rambling on about anything, heck why even write about projects or code, one could write about anything at all...

-MarkM-



I'm definitely in favour of stamping out rambling, but reducing the shares per 1000 words also dis-incentivises good writing.  Perhaps if the voting system were made more 'extreme', so that really bad writing could be rated so low that it earns very little, while good writing earns a lot.  At the moment good writing is rewarded just a little, and bad writing discouraged just a little, perhaps we should make that difference stronger.
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November 30, 2013, 02:16:45 PM
I agree! If no admin objects to giving the bounty within four days, Smeagol will get the 48 share bounty. If an admin does, it will go to a range vote of three randomly chosen admins.

I said I'd pay 1 million dvc to the creator of a video. So if Smeagol gets the bounty, he'll also get that from me.
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November 30, 2013, 02:07:46 PM
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48 shares for a devcoin animation at least 3 minutes long.
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Here's my animation.  It's 3:05 and covers most of the main devcoin stuff.  I'm open to suggestions, so check it out!  Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbXBHYpFULo

This is just awesome! In my opinion definitely worth the bounty Smiley

EDIT: The only small thing I would change is the soundtrack - put in some chilled psytrance instead to really capture the feel of an amazing technological phenomenon Smiley
+1 great work Smeagol.

On music, one option might be something under creative commons. e.g. miguel herrero http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/6189/miguel-herrero  Electro or Ice Beat - just examples as that's the only creative commons artist I can think of and because we're not all going to have same taste on music - it's your work so your choice.

Edit: Didn't make the point I was trying to very well. The artist suggestion wasn't to hijack your video smeagol but just an idea that finding a creative-commons musician, noting that and maybe [us all?] paying him some dvc would serve to highlight the crypto-real world payment link, particularly appropriate in the case of 'free' creations to Devcoin.

matt608: over christmas https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3511715

markm/sidhujag: agree generally on both the absolute and relative points you make (although there wouldn't be 'extra' shares, there'd just be a great opportunity pool for other(s) because the adjusted total number would be lower).
legendary
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November 30, 2013, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Devtome
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48 shares for a devcoin animation at least 3 minutes long.
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Here's my animation.  It's 3:05 and covers most of the main devcoin stuff.  I'm open to suggestions, so check it out!  Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbXBHYpFULo

This is just awesome! In my opinion definitely worth the bounty Smiley

EDIT: The only small thing I would change is the soundtrack - put in some chilled psytrance instead to really capture the feel of an amazing technological phenomenon Smiley

I agree! If no admin objects to giving the bounty within four days, Smeagol will get the 48 share bounty. If an admin does, it will go to a range vote of three randomly chosen admins.


It claims that 95% goes to [receivers, basically]. That is factually incorrect isn't it? It should say 90%?

(Other than that, its great, so lets fix that, hmm?)

-MarkM-
legendary
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November 30, 2013, 01:56:21 PM
I would love to update the wallet software but unfortunately thats out of my reach.

Maybe with the new DVC value (and it's still rising) we could have a new bounty for upgraded clients across all platforms - with some nice new features integrated such an integrated exchange, price ticker, messaging, voting on new open source projects to sponsor even, easypost to Devtome? etc

Hey with the rising price may as well think big Smiley
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November 30, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: Devtome
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48 shares for a devcoin animation at least 3 minutes long.
...

Here's my animation.  It's 3:05 and covers most of the main devcoin stuff.  I'm open to suggestions, so check it out!  Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbXBHYpFULo

This is just awesome! In my opinion definitely worth the bounty Smiley

EDIT: The only small thing I would change is the soundtrack - put in some chilled psytrance instead to really capture the feel of an amazing technological phenomenon Smiley

I agree on the awesome! I have no opinion on the soundtrack. If no admin objects to giving the bounty within four days, Smeagol will get the 48 share bounty. If an admin does, it will go to a range vote of three randomly chosen admins.
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November 30, 2013, 01:51:10 PM
I would love to update the wallet software but unfortunately thats out of my reach.
legendary
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November 30, 2013, 01:49:10 PM
I'm not in favour of reducing writer pay to 1/5th a share per 1000 words, but I don't mind  the idea of reducing the total allowed number of shares per round, but I'm not sure of the purpose.  With the prices soaring that should give the incentive we need for the bounties to get done, provided the bounties are promoted enough.

Unless the basic problem is the fact that one can maybe make way the heck more money rambling on for thousands of words about some piece of vapourware one would like to develop or like to see developed by someone else than one could possibly hope to make by actually writing code...

Or just rambling on about anything, heck why even write about projects or code, one could write about anything at all...

-MarkM-
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November 30, 2013, 01:46:25 PM
I'm not in favour of reducing writer pay to 1/5th a share per 1000 words, but I don't mind  the idea of reducing the total allowed number of shares per round, but I'm not sure of the purpose.  With the prices soaring that should give the incentive we need for the bounties to get done, provided the bounties are promoted enough.
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November 30, 2013, 01:43:53 PM
By the way, did the DeVCoin-based corps I created threads for long ago slip under the radar?

DeVCorp (sDVC): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/devcorp-devcoin-development-corp-61407

General Financial Corp (sGFC): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/general-financial-corp-gfc-61557

General Development Corp (sGDC): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/general-development-corp-gdc-94785

General Retirement Corp (sGRC): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/general-retirement-corp-grc-94788

Tables and plots of their valuations over time are at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html

-MarkM-
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November 30, 2013, 01:30:42 PM
I doubt if any old bounties need to be doubled or increased because the exchange rate has skyrocketed lately, not only the rae against bitcoin but also the rate against fiat because bitcoin itself has also been skyrocketing. Devcoins might actually be worth more right now per coin than they have ever been.

So I suggest letting the increase in value of cryptocoins in general, the tide that is floating all boats lately, take care of making existing bounties start to look good again.

Unless the problem is that the pay for devtome writing will still keep dwarfing the pay for normal bounties since it too is floated by the same tide?

If so maybe we should consider making a thousand words be a fifth of a share instead of a full share, since we also only have a maximim number of shares in a round no matter how much writing anyone does.

-MarkM-


Yea good idea so would you reduce max by a fifth too? If so where would extra shares go? I think we need bounty admins too to ensure they are done properly.
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November 30, 2013, 01:14:17 PM
Any word on the progress of the update of the DVC client?
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November 30, 2013, 01:10:21 PM
I doubt if any old bounties need to be doubled or increased because the exchange rate has skyrocketed lately, not only the rae against bitcoin but also the rate against fiat because bitcoin itself has also been skyrocketing. Devcoins might actually be worth more right now per coin than they have ever been.

So I suggest letting the increase in value of cryptocoins in general, the tide that is floating all boats lately, take care of making existing bounties start to look good again.

Unless the problem is that the pay for devtome writing will still keep dwarfing the pay for normal bounties since it too is floated by the same tide?

If so maybe we should consider making a thousand words be a fifth of a share instead of a full share, since we also only have a maximim number of shares in a round no matter how much writing anyone does.

-MarkM-
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November 30, 2013, 12:41:25 PM
Quote from: Devtome
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48 shares for a devcoin animation at least 3 minutes long.
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Here's my animation.  It's 3:05 and covers most of the main devcoin stuff.  I'm open to suggestions, so check it out!  Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbXBHYpFULo

This is just awesome! In my opinion definitely worth the bounty Smiley

EDIT: The only small thing I would change is the soundtrack - put in some chilled psytrance instead to really capture the feel of an amazing technological phenomenon Smiley
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November 30, 2013, 12:34:16 PM
Quote from: Devtome
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48 shares for a devcoin animation at least 3 minutes long.
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Here's my animation.  It's 3:05 and covers most of the main devcoin stuff.  I'm open to suggestions, so check it out!  Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbXBHYpFULo
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November 30, 2013, 12:04:20 PM
Personally i like the idea of themarket deciding price for work so assign shares to bounties until complete? Reduce shares per round to writers?
You mean shares or absolute amount of dvc? I'm with you on the market factor but the various share components aren't constants so it would be difficult for any natural market consenus to pin down a value on an unknown. I wasn't even getting into the general devtome/payment issue, as I think people know my view. Was only referring to the max(round).

Very few submit anywhere near 80k in a round, but this has a disproportionate effect on everything dvc (not just other writers, but also other writers). There's still no submission limit and I don't see the need for one, but everything above a lower-than-80 amount would still just get rolled to the next round as now. I don't know what the right number is but if a forum is 24-48, a feature animation is ~50 and a simple Open Transactions client is 96 then I'd say quite a bit lower than 80.

On Open Tansactions, has anyone actually tried installing it? Be interested to know what functionality exists. www.opentransactions.org

If you cut the 80 in half to 40, I would hardly notice it. It's easy to publish everything you've ever written in one round and collect a massive payout but maintaining a steady discipline of writing day in and day out is much more difficult, even with writing about whatever you want.  If I ever got to the point where I *did* submit 80,000 words in one round I think I would like to have that divided up over two rounds anyway--might be nice to take a round off and still get paid Smiley
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November 30, 2013, 11:37:50 AM
There is a forum. Fuzzy created www.devcointalk.org but apparently the functionality isn't everything needed? I'm not sure about the issues with that vs coinzen vs other.

Well silly me for registering another domain. I'll just point it at the current site unless someone can tell me a reason I might want to build another? Can we remove the damn bounty too if its taken care of? Wink

There's no email system on devcointalk, so it doesn't qualify
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November 29, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
...will be done and then the shares will start to allocate money for the next set of bounties taht we agree are to be done... At first helping devcoin project but later helping humanoty in general and finally creating a bounty exchange so people can pay devs in devcoins similar to workforcrypto.com (just Another bounty project). i envision that one day by allowing the bounty exchange to flourish that it will help the share allocation become efficient be since there would be competition which id healthy to devcoin in general. Im not sure what the thinking is for current structure.
You're preaching to the converted, although I can see that in effect happening regardless via sites such as the one you highlight which will be adding dvc. I think (hope) when that reality of pragmatism and efficiency hits there'll be some corresponding changes.
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