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Quote from: MAbtc on October 12, 2013, 08:38:50 PM

Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 07:44:11 PM

My total page views is 192 and Fheenix's is 32,000... So it makes a little more sense to me now why some people get positive multipliers, while some don't.

But if we could see our page views go up daily or weekly, I feel like we would be more compelled to work on that.

This would really help a lot. I have no way of knowing if anything I am doing is producing page views. Daily would be really helpful. Some kind of rolling average would be really helpful, too. I don't know how difficult this would be to do in practice.

Unless you're promoting your work you should assume you are getting very few page views, that's generally how it works anywhere on the Internet.

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Quote from: FinShaggy on October 13, 2013, 12:06:59 AM

But it's all legal.

If this is something new, probably not for long.

FinShaggy

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Would anyone here want to do some research on a 100% legal to buy, trade, possess, etc chemical that is has been clinically labeled at over 75% morphine equivalency?

Doing video tests on bugs and maybe lizards and mice could make for some good attention grabbing R&D, and could also translate into some VERY interesting articles on Devtome.

I will be able to afford to do it myself soon, as I will have to push back the silver store until I can get like 40+ shares to put down. But I will be getting around 20 this next round.

So if someone wants to join in, it can be done sooner, if not, I'll just do it myself soon.

But it's all legal. And people are already searching the chem on YouTube and Google, so it's Development that people will watch.

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Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 07:44:11 PM

My total page views is 192 and Fheenix's is 32,000... So it makes a little more sense to me now why some people get positive multipliers, while some don't.

But if we could see our page views go up daily or weekly, I feel like we would be more compelled to work on that.

This would really help a lot. I have no way of knowing if anything I am doing is producing page views. Daily would be really helpful. Some kind of rolling average would be really helpful, too. I don't know how difficult this would be to do in practice.

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Quote from: MAbtc on October 12, 2013, 08:03:13 PM

Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 07:44:11 PM

My total page views is 192 and Fheenix's is 32,000... So it makes a little more sense to me now why some people get positive multipliers, while some don't.

But if we could see our page views go up daily or weekly, I feel like we would be more compelled to work on that.

Where do you see these stats? Do you have to run them through Google Analytics or something, or are they just posted somewhere?

https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_28.csv

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Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 07:44:11 PM

My total page views is 192 and Fheenix's is 32,000... So it makes a little more sense to me now why some people get positive multipliers, while some don't.

But if we could see our page views go up daily or weekly, I feel like we would be more compelled to work on that.

Where do you see these stats? Do you have to run them through Google Analytics or something, or are they just posted somewhere?

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Will popularity include time spent on a page or no??? Because if not, I suggest that people start making smaller pages, with a "table of contents" at the top and bottom of each one so that people can go to the next page.

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My total page views is 192 and Fheenix's is 32,000... So it makes a little more sense to me now why some people get positive multipliers, while some don't.

But if we could see our page views go up daily or weekly, I feel like we would be more compelled to work on that.

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Quote from: MAbtc on October 12, 2013, 07:34:03 PM

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The number of unique page views are divided by the number of words, then the root of that is taken and the roots of all the writers are normalized. That earnings multipler is multiplied by a goal seeked revenue neutralizing multiplier, then bounded from 0.75 to 1.25, and multiplied by the words to obtain the number of generation shares. To summarize, an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words, an average writer will get around a share per thousand words, and a popular writer will get 1.25 shares per thousand words.

I had always taken the bolded section to mean that our shares per thousand words would not be lower than .75, hence "bounded" -- and I thought that was at the very worst. Obviously this is not the case at all. Maybe I am terribly lacking in reading comprehension, but in the case that I am not, that section should be clarified. I have no idea how low the possible bottom is... but this may be too speculative for my taste.

Thanks for catching that. I posted that I would change it to 0.5 to 1.5, and I changed the code, but I forgot to change the article:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing

It is now updated to the correct:

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That earnings multipler is multiplied by a goal seeked revenue neutralizing multiplier, then bounded from 0.5 to 1.5, and multiplied by the words to obtain the number of generation shares. To summarize, an unpopular writer will get 0.5 generation shares per thousand words, an average writer will get around a share per thousand words, and a popular writer will get 1.5 shares per thousand words.

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Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 07:21:16 PM

Quote from: Unthinkingbit on October 12, 2013, 06:28:35 PM

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However, when I looked over the warnings, I also saw that your article:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=finshaggy_s_autobiography:

was not counted because it's not in the root namespace:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#namespace

please title it:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=finshaggy_s_autobiography

then message me and I'll rerun devtome for everyone.

It turns out dokuwiki cuts our everything after the a question make in the title, so your article link:
"What Do You Think About The AfterLife? Please Share Your Thoughts"

actually goes to:
"What Do You Think About The AfterLife?"

so I added a check in devtome.py to follow the dokuwiki title cut. You don't have to change that.
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Thanks for bringing this up.

I'm sorry for not checking the warning log. The warning log is experimental, I just added it last round, and it brings up many false positives so I ended up ignoring it because I was in a hurry. In the next couple of hours I'll make it more informative so I can see which are real warnings then I'll rerun devtome for everyone.

Oh shit. I'm sorry. Thank you so much.

It wasn't your fault. Adding a colon is an easy mistake to make, and no one knew that dokuwiki cut titles after a question mark. It was my fault for not going over all the warnings.

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Quote from: MAbtc on October 12, 2013, 07:34:03 PM

Quote from: ranlo on October 12, 2013, 06:41:00 PM

Quote from: MAbtc on October 12, 2013, 05:37:43 PM

So I am still unclear -- sorry to be such a noob.

I had ~ over 71,000 words. So 40-Word Count means 40 shares. Does that mean my "earnings multiplier" is ~ .56? So when it says "an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words" I am significantly below that? I see. Embarrassed

I thought there would be some lag between the time that the round is closed and the time when the multiplier is calculated. I'm not sure why... I guess since payouts are delayed as they are. So if you post things at the very end of a round (the total traffic received will be much lower), that will likely drag your multiplier way down?

I'm going to try to keep with it, but this is discouraging. I had no idea my writing would be worth so little (relative to other writers). I was excited about this project, but I may just engage in it on sort of a "back-burner" basis. Producing well-written articles/works is just too much work if I get paid 56% of what the "average" writer gets paid. No complaints... I understand the rationale for the multiplier. Just don't know if it's worth it. I'm not an online marketer.

You got it right.

71802 words for 72 base shares.
Multiplier was 0.558x, leading to total shares of 40.

I guess I never quite understood -- and still don't, apparently -- what is being explained in the "earnings per word" section:

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The number of unique page views are divided by the number of words, then the root of that is taken and the roots of all the writers are normalized. That earnings multipler is multiplied by a goal seeked revenue neutralizing multiplier, then bounded from 0.75 to 1.25, and multiplied by the words to obtain the number of generation shares. To summarize, an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words, an average writer will get around a share per thousand words, and a popular writer will get 1.25 shares per thousand words.

I had always taken the bolded section to mean that our shares per thousand words would not be lower than .75, hence "bounded" -- and I thought that was at the very worst. Obviously this is not the case at all. Maybe I am terribly lacking in reading comprehension, but in the case that I am not, that section should be clarified. I have no idea how low the possible bottom is... but this may be too speculative for my taste.

It was 0.75-1.25 for the first round the change was in. The second round on (this being the round that just finished) changed to 0.5-1.50.

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Quote from: ranlo on October 12, 2013, 06:41:00 PM

Quote from: MAbtc on October 12, 2013, 05:37:43 PM

So I am still unclear -- sorry to be such a noob.

I had ~ over 71,000 words. So 40-Word Count means 40 shares. Does that mean my "earnings multiplier" is ~ .56? So when it says "an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words" I am significantly below that? I see. Embarrassed

I thought there would be some lag between the time that the round is closed and the time when the multiplier is calculated. I'm not sure why... I guess since payouts are delayed as they are. So if you post things at the very end of a round (the total traffic received will be much lower), that will likely drag your multiplier way down?

I'm going to try to keep with it, but this is discouraging. I had no idea my writing would be worth so little (relative to other writers). I was excited about this project, but I may just engage in it on sort of a "back-burner" basis. Producing well-written articles/works is just too much work if I get paid 56% of what the "average" writer gets paid. No complaints... I understand the rationale for the multiplier. Just don't know if it's worth it. I'm not an online marketer.

You got it right.

71802 words for 72 base shares.
Multiplier was 0.558x, leading to total shares of 40.

I guess I never quite understood -- and still don't, apparently -- what is being explained in the "earnings per word" section:

Quote

The number of unique page views are divided by the number of words, then the root of that is taken and the roots of all the writers are normalized. That earnings multipler is multiplied by a goal seeked revenue neutralizing multiplier, then bounded from 0.75 to 1.25, and multiplied by the words to obtain the number of generation shares. To summarize, an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words, an average writer will get around a share per thousand words, and a popular writer will get 1.25 shares per thousand words.

I had always taken the bolded section to mean that our shares per thousand words would not be lower than .75, hence "bounded" -- and I thought that was at the very worst. Obviously this is not the case at all. Maybe I am terribly lacking in reading comprehension, but in the case that I am not, that section should be clarified. I have no idea how low the possible bottom is... but this may be too speculative for my taste.

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I won't be able to start a Devcoin silver store now... Sad

Unless maybe this makes the shares bigger...

Book store is still on no matter what.

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Quote from: Unthinkingbit on October 12, 2013, 06:28:35 PM

Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 03:43:59 PM

So I only got 17,000 words counted? How is this possible? Is there a negator or just a multiplier?

As Ranlo wrote, your multiplier in:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_28.csv

is 0.534 which turned 32,000 words to 17 shares. However, when I looked over the warnings, I also saw that your article:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=finshaggy_s_autobiography:

was not counted because it's not in the root namespace:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#namespace

please title it:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=finshaggy_s_autobiography

then message me and I'll rerun devtome for everyone.

It turns out dokuwiki cuts our everything after the a question make in the title, so your article link:
"What Do You Think About The AfterLife? Please Share Your Thoughts"

actually goes to:
"What Do You Think About The AfterLife?"

so I added a check in devtome.py to follow the dokuwiki title cut. You don't have to change that.

Quote

And I was writing stuff that is at least good enough to be college essays.

Right now, the earnings multiplier is based solely on popularity per word. In round 29 the multiplier will also be based on ratings.

Quote

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I am not complaining, just wondering if this is right.

Thanks for bringing this up.

I'm sorry for not checking the warning log. The warning log is experimental, I just added it last round, and it brings up many false positives so I ended up ignoring it because I was in a hurry. In the next couple of hours I'll make it more informative so I can see which are real warnings then I'll rerun devtome for everyone.

Oh shit. I'm sorry. Thank you so much.

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Quote from: ranlo on October 12, 2013, 06:41:00 PM

Quote from: MAbtc on October 12, 2013, 05:37:43 PM

So I am still unclear -- sorry to be such a noob.

I had ~ over 71,000 words. So 40-Word Count means 40 shares. Does that mean my "earnings multiplier" is ~ .56? So when it says "an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words" I am significantly below that? I see. Embarrassed

I thought there would be some lag between the time that the round is closed and the time when the multiplier is calculated. I'm not sure why... I guess since payouts are delayed as they are. So if you post things at the very end of a round (the total traffic received will be much lower), that will likely drag your multiplier way down?

I'm going to try to keep with it, but this is discouraging. I had no idea my writing would be worth so little (relative to other writers). I was excited about this project, but I may just engage in it on sort of a "back-burner" basis. Producing well-written articles/works is just too much work if I get paid 56% of what the "average" writer gets paid. No complaints... I understand the rationale for the multiplier. Just don't know if it's worth it. I'm not an online marketer.

You got it right.

71802 words for 72 base shares.
Multiplier was 0.558x, leading to total shares of 40.

Thought so. Undecided

Thanks.

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Quote from: MAbtc on October 12, 2013, 05:37:43 PM

So I am still unclear -- sorry to be such a noob.

I had ~ over 71,000 words. So 40-Word Count means 40 shares. Does that mean my "earnings multiplier" is ~ .56? So when it says "an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words" I am significantly below that? I see. Embarrassed

I thought there would be some lag between the time that the round is closed and the time when the multiplier is calculated. I'm not sure why... I guess since payouts are delayed as they are. So if you post things at the very end of a round (the total traffic received will be much lower), that will likely drag your multiplier way down?

I'm going to try to keep with it, but this is discouraging. I had no idea my writing would be worth so little (relative to other writers). I was excited about this project, but I may just engage in it on sort of a "back-burner" basis. Producing well-written articles/works is just too much work if I get paid 56% of what the "average" writer gets paid. No complaints... I understand the rationale for the multiplier. Just don't know if it's worth it. I'm not an online marketer.

You got it right.

71802 words for 72 base shares.
Multiplier was 0.558x, leading to total shares of 40.

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Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 03:43:59 PM

So I only got 17,000 words counted? How is this possible? Is there a negator or just a multiplier?

As Ranlo wrote, your multiplier in:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_28.csv

is 0.534 which turned 32,000 words to 17 shares. However, when I looked over the warnings, I also saw that your article:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=finshaggy_s_autobiography:

was not counted because it's not in the root namespace:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#namespace

please title it:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=finshaggy_s_autobiography

then message me and I'll rerun devtome for everyone.

It turns out dokuwiki cuts our everything after the a question make in the title, so your article link:
"What Do You Think About The AfterLife? Please Share Your Thoughts"

actually goes to:
"What Do You Think About The AfterLife?"

so I added a check in devtome.py to follow the dokuwiki title cut. You don't have to change that.

Quote

And I was writing stuff that is at least good enough to be college essays.

Right now, the earnings multiplier is based solely on popularity per word. In round 29 the multiplier will also be based on ratings.

Quote

..
I am not complaining, just wondering if this is right.

Thanks for bringing this up.

I'm sorry for not checking the warning log. The warning log is experimental, I just added it last round, and it brings up many false positives so I ended up ignoring it because I was in a hurry. In the next couple of hours I'll make it more informative so I can see which are real warnings then I'll rerun devtome for everyone.

MAbtc

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So I am still unclear -- sorry to be such a noob.

I had ~ over 71,000 words. So 40-Word Count means 40 shares. Does that mean my "earnings multiplier" is ~ .56? So when it says "an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words" I am significantly below that? I see. Embarrassed

I thought there would be some lag between the time that the round is closed and the time when the multiplier is calculated. I'm not sure why... I guess since payouts are delayed as they are. So if you post things at the very end of a round (the total traffic received will be much lower), that will likely drag your multiplier way down?

I'm going to try to keep with it, but this is discouraging. I had no idea my writing would be worth so little (relative to other writers). I was excited about this project, but I may just engage in it on sort of a "back-burner" basis. Producing well-written articles/works is just too much work if I get paid 56% of what the "average" writer gets paid. No complaints... I understand the rationale for the multiplier. Just don't know if it's worth it. I'm not an online marketer.

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Quote from: ranlo on October 12, 2013, 05:13:42 PM

Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 05:00:11 PM

Again, not complaining as I am getting paid, just checking on if maybe I am getting round 27 counted 2x instead of my round 28 work.

I just copied and pasted my words, I didn't even count ALL of them yet, and I'm at 50,125 for round 28 and I only got 32 counted, then that got cut in half...

If you want to copy and paste to see yourself, here:

http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2013/10/my-devtome-round-28-words.html
http://www.wordcounter.net/

It's possible that the script is adding the last multiplier to the paid...

Ex.

You had 50 shares last round. You had a multiplier of 1.5x. You then got paid 75 shares.
You wrote 50 shares this round. This leaves your base total at 100. You were paid 75 so 25 base left. Multiplier 1.5x again pays 37.5 instead of 75.

I'm wondering if that isn't how the script is running (erroneously at that).

That makes sense. That sucks though.

Oh well. I wish there was a way to make sure no one could check and see who's article they are rating, I am almost positive I got bad ratings just for bringing people to Devtome, being active on the thread in the past and writing so much... But I only wrote a lot in 2 rounds EVER, this one and my first one. I don't see how people think I am writing too much when I have only been really active for 2 rounds.

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Quote from: FinShaggy on October 12, 2013, 05:00:11 PM

Again, not complaining as I am getting paid, just checking on if maybe I am getting round 27 counted 2x instead of my round 28 work.

I just copied and pasted my words, I didn't even count ALL of them yet, and I'm at 50,125 for round 28 and I only got 32 counted, then that got cut in half...

If you want to copy and paste to see yourself, here:

http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2013/10/my-devtome-round-28-words.html
http://www.wordcounter.net/

It's possible that the script is adding the last multiplier to the paid...

Ex.

You had 50 shares last round. You had a multiplier of 1.5x. You then got paid 75 shares.
You wrote 50 shares this round. This leaves your base total at 100. You were paid 75 so 25 base left. Multiplier 1.5x again pays 37.5 instead of 75.

I'm wondering if that isn't how the script is running (erroneously at that).

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