Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 435. (Read 1059181 times)

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I'm still working on coming up with a working solution. Essentially what I'm working on is finding something that is very difficult to exploit. So far everything I've seen tossed out is easy to manipulate.

It's definitely an interesting discussion though, and I'm always up for hearing new ideas people have. Coming up with a great solution has been ridiculously difficult, and the more people that are able to get involved, the harder it gets (ex. with voting systems).

One issue I've been having to try and work around is the fact that non-writers are allowed to join in, as well as those that write in other languages. As a direct example of what I am used to as a writer, it's more of a tiered approach, and I think it may work here as well if it's adapted in some way (I'm also willing to help work on coming up with a solid way of handling it). Essentially what has worked the best is to turn it into what you would expect from a job:

1) You are starting out as a newbie (generally) so you get paid minimum wage
2) If you aren't doing a good job, you're let go. If you are, move to #3
3) As your skills improve, you are promoted to a higher rank (and therefore higher pay)

The hard part here is determining 1) what the ranks should be and 2) how to determine promotions.

Some people may take this the wrong way, but it's the truth: not all writing is equal, nor should all writers be paid the same. Much like three mathematics professors will get paid different wages depending on their knowledge and experience, writers for DVC should be treated as separate people. It goes along the same lines as when you hire a writer. You can find someone to write an article for you at the cost of $5, but the quality will be noticeably different from someone who has more experience and charges more. While the cost for this other writer may be $30 per article, the quality is better and they are well worth the extra cost.

i agree aswell with this argument, so basicaly this is the layering of the voting, this system has to be worked out in a way that all actual guys in charge has a tool to work with, but by now they just have contributed texts probably page views.

ranio, what would you suggest?

The problem with a voting contest is that it becomes more of a popularity contest. The number of people who vote is usually small enough (say 5k max if you have 1 million people) that it's very easy to sway the votes in your favor, without even having to try. I've always been against this type of thing and I will continue being against it.

The only real way to determine quality of content on a somewhat fair scale is to have a person, or a small group of people, review submissions and give their own input.

i agree with wiser

I suggest independent of the writings there should be a competition about the quality of the donated articles, what would according to the ranking define the amount of gained DVC funds in addition to the method of defining charity donation receivers.

I think the bounty should be defined in various layers of interest not just in one - the word count.

Factors like atractivity and emotional expirience usefullness etc. are not yet involved and could be solved by a viewers voting system

This voting based method on top of the layer of the actual one would open the window for music and video, and shape the texts on devtome aswell.

Round contests for:

the best text
for music/audio (what about audiobooks)
for video
etc.

I allso suggest a voting layer of the admin team for the contributors and vice versa.

After working out such a system the next step would be the decentralized storage place for all the results.

One thing I'd really like to see more of is ways to invest Devcoins in sound companies.  I'm reading up on the ASIC miner DVC pass through share listed on Cryptostocks and the ASIC miner company itself and liking what I'm learning so far in terms of feeling that would be a good investment.  I'd like to see more opportunities like this.

Regarding propping up the Devcoin, here's the issue as I see it.  Right now, there isn't a whole lot to do with Devtome earnings other than trade them for BTC (to eventually trade for dollars or other national currency depending on where you live), or to just trade DVC directly to national currency.  Unfortunately, selling DVC off immediately after earning them devalues them further, which is a big problem in terms of earnings.  So, I can see the temptation to try to artificially prop up DVC value by listing them for a penny or other currently unattainably high value and trying to recruit others into doing so as well.  If that's what you choose to do as a way to help DVC, I guess that's fine.  However I don't see it as my obligation to prop up DVC value just because I'm writing for Devtome and earning them.  When it comes to what I will do with my earnings I need to make a decision based on what's best for me, and that's how it should be when it comes to currency.  Otherwise, you can try all you want to promote the currency and urge others to hold onto it or whatever, but it won't work.  There needs to be a self-interest reason for keeping DVC.  In my opinion, solid investments involving DVC would make keeping them more attractive.  If DVC is falling relative to BTC, then if I can put my DVC in an investment that makes them grow (i.e., returns me more of them) faster than the rate at which they are losing value relative to BTC, then I still come out ahead.  Without that I'd be more tempted to panic sell.  And I think the result of me putting some DVC in such investments would in turn provide positive feedback to the value of DVC.

We're not but the problem is he can only be moderated in our own thread. He's still a contributor to devtome, so he still has an interest in DVC as well. IIRC he's the guy that was pre-selling his DVC too (ex. saying "I need $x.xx, but I will have x DVC I can give to you in a few weeks").

Just P.Med Unthinking about it. Hopefully he decides to delete them. I don't think we're the only people that see Fin Shaggy as this.

Regarding his highness, he's already self-proclaimed many times that he is "high 24/7." That came from him, and has been known by the community for a while now. It's another way he's shedding bad light on the projects he "tries to help." And if you watch his videos it's pretty obvious that it's true.

I thought I was the only person who saw this. Anybody who tries to help him, or look in another perspective is considered a troll. I personally think he's always high since he farms Marijuana, and he always looks high in his videos.

He doesn't think, to be more exact. He's saying, "Sell all ur stufferz for .1 cent. It's going to magically create Devcoin worth one cent." He's giving anything Devcoin related negative light. Most of his posts on other Devcoin related threads are about Devcoin being $10. Which makes the Devcoin community seem like pumper and dumpers, or utter spammers that want people to think like them.

And on the Spokesperson thing, I can kinda agree. But, if he continues doing it the Devcoin community might die. Especially since a few people think he's one of the developers of Devcoin, and is frustrated at his other idiotic ideas. (Not trying to judge him because he smokes Marijuana, but when people see things like this coming up on Google: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Fin+Shaggy , and they think he's a developer they'd probably automatically think he's trying to pump and dump to get money for his farm.

I'm personally probably going to bring this problem to Unthinking, and then delete any posts about 'pumping n' dumping' on this thread created by him (If there's any), and also probably the main one on this thread. Not trying to be harsh, but he's doing things without thinking, and without noticing it's affecting us all. If he keeps doing it, the Devcoin community might die out a little.

Please let me know if there are any more objections against the "Namecoin Bounty" by now i count two.

Fin Shaggy has been spreading a lot of crap that he thinks helps but is making things worse. Like when he says you can get thousands of DVC that were worth $10 each for writing.

Then again, look at his thread about the Bitcoin town and you'll see that he also kills any chances of that being successful. I'm still not sure if he's trying to destroy the two projects or if he just has no idea wtf he's doing, but all he is doing is giving BOTH projects a really negative light and spreading tons of misinformation about them.

This has been going on for a while and it's a big reason why it's becoming harder to get more people on board. He's acting like he's the spokesperson for DVC and spends most of his time either lying or being a complete douchebag to people.

Sorry for not being active on this thread. While I'm here, is there anything I should add? (Any new services, or Devcoin related threads.)

By the way.. What's up with recent threads like this? - Seems like a Pump N' Dump to me..

Edit: Just realized most of these threads were made by Fin Shaggy. What's up with that?

Ok, thanks. I misunderstood what it was about from the website.

Cause it make no sense to bloat namecoin. Icoin is not about DNS for websites, its for authenthicity of realms and avatars (HG).

I'm curious why you don't just use namecoin?

Thanks
The original code is from https://github.com/vinced/namecoin.

There was no additions made to the code.
By now Namecoin was changed to Icoin, NC to IC and the ports to 1291/1294

You are totaly right! Let the scrypt based chains compete only.
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=scrypt_altcoin_cloning_guide

The DVC exchange rate is not going down do to other alt chains only. The quantitave easing done to Devcoin in the last time cause it aswell.

Icoin is not about competition, its about decentralized security! All other chains exept namecoin just do what? They basicaly just can be used as a value transport medium. Namecoin and Icoin are more than just that, sooner or later ppl start to realize the value of these json capable chains.

Let me make it clear, this effort is not about competition, its about securing the next development step for realms ...

I assume that most of you guys look at coins just from the financial persepctive, but what i see is JSON, (DNS), SSH, SHA256, MM, and not realy the printed paper i can exchange for it.

It's a lot easier to maintain a fork if you include all the history of the previous coin it was forked from. Without this it's difficult to merge or cherry-pick fixes that are later applied to the original coin. It also makes it hard for auditors to compare your fork vs the original coin to see if any malware or secuity issues were added. To do this now they would have to basically analyse the entire code base from the beginning. If you don't want to provide the entire history of the previous coin then providing the git repository and commit id it was based on is useful.

OK, got that, will implement this feature if I had time later this month.