[DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 437.

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Quote from: Unthinkingbit on June 15, 2013, 03:08:43 AM

I forgot to add before, another useful addition to the faucet would be to pay people for links to devtome from an outside site. The faucet would check to see if there is a link to devtome, and if there is send devcoins to the devcoin address on that page. Then a random time later it would check to see if the link is still there, and if so send more devcoins. This would only be for the developer of the prime faucet, and if it is not developed after two months the bounty would be opened to anyone. I suggest 6 shares for the first part, and another 6 for waiting a random time, for a total of twelve shares, are there any objections?

I was trying to implement this, it's not so that difficult, but with a problem, I have no easy way to stop people from spamming the faucet with different subdomains, e.g. one hold example.com would use aa.example.com and bb.example.com pointing to the same site to apply the faucet payment, I have no good way to determine if they are the same site, and one may generate infinite subdomains as long as he own the domain name. I used to thought if I could set a limit as high as 5 subdomains for one domain, but hey, we have many public site such as blogspot.com, you cannot do this... any suggestion to solve this problem?

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Quote from: killerstorm on June 18, 2013, 06:00:43 PM

Quote from: weisoq on June 18, 2013, 03:46:04 PM

Sounds like a hybrid between plans for a new forum with email incorporating crypto fee-based spam-proofing,

Can you give me a link?

Quote from: weisoq on June 18, 2013, 03:46:04 PM

and plans to build ad revenue into devtome. Do you mean as an offshoot of that new forum or standalone commercialisation?

Well, I can do it only if it is very simple and I can control each aspect. (So that I can choose simplest solution to each problem.)

Which means standalone, unless I'll see some super-easy way to implement such forum. Perhaps making it email-centric or something.

Implementing a forum with all modern features can be really tedious, and integrating with existing software can be a real headache.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2312630 (followed byt discussion around different forums)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2372114 (coinzen)

Cheers for the info.

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Quote from: Unthinkingbit on June 18, 2013, 02:33:34 PM

The round 24 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_24.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_24.csv

There were 1277 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 1277 = 140,955 dvc. At the current price of 0.885 btc/Mdvc, that is 0.125 btc/share. At the current price of 108 $/btc, that is 13 $/share. Administrator pay is 85.0 shares, 6.7 percent of the total.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 24, starting at block 96,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 25:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_25.csv

On Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/devtome.com#

the 3 month pageviews are 0.0000074% and the 1 month pageviews are 0.0000038%.

This is awesome, thanks for letting me be a part of this, I love writing on Devtome!

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Quote from: wiser on June 18, 2013, 08:07:30 PM

Hey Unthinkingbit,

Would it be too much trouble to post the unofficial earnings for the next round about once or twice a week so we can get an idea of where things are heading?

You may probably refer to http://d.evco.in/charity/ for some infos, specifically http://d.evco.in/charity/receiver_summary.txt. these file updated daily at UTC 00:30.

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Quote from: Unthinkingbit on June 18, 2013, 02:33:34 PM

The round 24 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_24.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_24.csv

There were 1277 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 1277 = 140,955 dvc. At the current price of 0.885 btc/Mdvc, that is 0.125 btc/share. At the current price of 108 $/btc, that is 13 $/share. Administrator pay is 85.0 shares, 6.7 percent of the total.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 24, starting at block 96,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 25:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_25.csv

On Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/devtome.com#

the 3 month pageviews are 0.0000074% and the 1 month pageviews are 0.0000038%.

Hey Unthinkingbit,

Would it be too much trouble to post the unofficial earnings for the next round about once or twice a week so we can get an idea of where things are heading?

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Quote from: weisoq on June 18, 2013, 03:46:04 PM

Sounds like a hybrid between plans for a new forum with email incorporating crypto fee-based spam-proofing,

Can you give me a link?

Quote from: weisoq on June 18, 2013, 03:46:04 PM

and plans to build ad revenue into devtome. Do you mean as an offshoot of that new forum or standalone commercialisation?

Well, I can do it only if it is very simple and I can control each aspect. (So that I can choose simplest solution to each problem.)

Which means standalone, unless I'll see some super-easy way to implement such forum. Perhaps making it email-centric or something.

Implementing a forum with all modern features can be really tedious, and integrating with existing software can be a real headache.

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Quote from: weisoq on June 14, 2013, 04:51:17 AM

Quote from: markm on June 14, 2013, 04:40:48 AM

Quote from: weisoq on June 14, 2013, 04:07:29 AM

Reposting this, if this is THE thread (I'd bin the 'aegis' part of the title as just confusing)

Good as the other thread was locked.

is our wiki system really primitive or something (it mgiht well be)? As I thought in wikis once you put a categories section at the bottom of your article the category pages pick it up automatically, no one has to manually go around picking out page names and pasting them into the category pages, on the contrary the category pages are automatically created/generated and updated by the software.

All my pages I put a category on the bottom of should automagically appear on the corresponding category pages. in fact possibly even if i label them as in a category that does not exist it is possible the system is intended to automatically create that category, though i am not sure on that, maybe wikipedia doesn't want new categories made up on the spot for example.

it is possible that the script to create/update the categories is not being run on schedule by the cron daemon, but if so probably a human is expected to run it periodically.

Basically all the work you did pasting pagenames in the category pages should have been done by simply running a script.

it still of course depends on pages actually having a categories section listing what categories the page belongs in.

-MarkM-

I'm not sure ...

Just to confirm for myself I tested the categorisation issue with a couple of articles and no it doesn't work automatically/isn't being run for existing or non-existing categories. Nevertheless I've tidied things up somewhat for when it will be working to make it a little more user friendly.

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The round 24 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_24.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_24.csv

There were 1277 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 1277 = 140,955 dvc. At the current price of 0.885 btc/Mdvc, that is 0.125 btc/share. At the current price of 108 $/btc, that is 13 $/share. Administrator pay is 85.0 shares, 6.7 percent of the total.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 24, starting at block 96,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 25:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_25.csv

On Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/devtome.com#

the 3 month pageviews are 0.0000074% and the 1 month pageviews are 0.0000038%.

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As I mentioned previously, I don't think that Devtome really helps to boost Devcoin market cap. But the general idea of revenue-generating wiki is sensible.

So I'm going to implement a "commercial wiki" for Devcoin.

It can work together with Devtome since there is no exclusivity requirement: you can post your material to Devtome and get Devtome bounty for words, then post it to a "commercial wiki" and get bounty for pageviews.

So, here's the idea:

there will be many separate and independent 'realms' which can compete with each other, or perhaps cater to different niches
to create a new realm you pay some amount of Devcoins
each realm has its own policies about what content should be added, quality standards, etc.
then you need to invite writers/editors, they need to pay some amount of Devcoins when they join, this prevents spam and Sybil attacks
now people can create wiki pages according to realm's policies. also people can improve presentation (custom CSS), do marketing etc.
when somebody edits an article he rates his contribution, e.g. 100% for a complete article, 1% for a small change etc.
ads are displayed on each page, via a-ads or other ad agency. Also we collect statistics about pageviews etc. So we can get some rough estiamate of page's relative popularity and revenue contribution.
proceedings from ad shows are paid to people who edited articles, proportional to their contributions
some part of revenue goes to people who contribute to realm in general, like CSS, marketing, etc. It is decided by vote.
of course, it is possible that somebody will try to cheat, to counter this it will be possible to punish this asshole via democratic vote among realm's members
also realm's members can vote on policies etc
finally if democracy doesn't work in this specific realm members who disagree can fork it (content is open source) and start their own realm

So the way I see it, people would create realms on specific topics, like bitcoin news, bitcoin mining info, fiction, etc.

What differentiates this "commercial wiki" from other venues:

democratically managed
open source, forkable
automatic monetization
proceedings spread among contributors in a fair fashion
helps devcoin as ad revenue will be converted into DVC before payouts

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Just added it to the thread, and will be adding any other great business.

-Acs26
P.S: Thanks for the Devcoin Escrow service. I think you're the first.

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Quote from: ? on June 18, 2013, 12:32:35 AM

Quote from: The Koolio on June 17, 2013, 08:50:35 PM

Hi

Just to inform you I have added DevCoin to my escrow services and I can now perform trades between users. Whether you are buying items, digital services or wish to swap to other cryptocurrencies you can now.

I charge a rate of 3% for standard transactions but this can be lowered for exceptionally high amounts or volume discounts.

Please visit www.KoolioEscrow.com to carry a trade out!

Please note if you wish me to add a manual orderbook if your coin has no exchange presence this can be done, but rates would be 5% or a sizeable donation from devs in return for a lower % fee for all trades.

Please PM or contact me through my site as I may miss replies on forum threads....

Thanks

Koolio

Will probably be adding your escrow site to the thread if Unthinking approves.
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Do you possibly have any proof of previous clients, or reputation?

Theres a couple of feedbacks on the site but bare in mind it is a new site so not many. I have other people I have done deals for with before... yes. I also mod on btc-e so you can consider me of fairly reasonable trust. My escrow service is also being integrated into the feathercoin marketplace very soon

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Quote from: The Koolio on June 17, 2013, 08:50:35 PM

Hi

Just to inform you I have added DevCoin to my escrow services and I can now perform trades between users. Whether you are buying items, digital services or wish to swap to other cryptocurrencies you can now.

I charge a rate of 3% for standard transactions but this can be lowered for exceptionally high amounts or volume discounts.

Please visit www.KoolioEscrow.com to carry a trade out!

Please note if you wish me to add a manual orderbook if your coin has no exchange presence this can be done, but rates would be 5% or a sizeable donation from devs in return for a lower % fee for all trades.

Please PM or contact me through my site as I may miss replies on forum threads....

Thanks

Koolio

Will probably be adding your escrow site to the thread if Unthinking approves.
----
Do you possibly have any proof of previous clients, or reputation?

The Koolio

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Hi

Just to inform you I have added DevCoin to my escrow services and I can now perform trades between users. Whether you are buying items, digital services or wish to swap to other cryptocurrencies you can now.

I charge a rate of 3% for standard transactions but this can be lowered for exceptionally high amounts or volume discounts.

Please visit www.KoolioEscrow.com to carry a trade out!

Please note if you wish me to add a manual orderbook if your coin has no exchange presence this can be done, but rates would be 5% or a sizeable donation from devs in return for a lower % fee for all trades.

Please PM or contact me through my site as I may miss replies on forum threads....

Thanks

Koolio

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Quote from: killerstorm on June 17, 2013, 07:48:51 AM

What happened with Devcoin Ventures?

It looks like I've missed updates, and they are not in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2001211

Looks like nobody has been on Devcoin Ventures in sometime. They probably abandoned, or had no more ideas.

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What happened with Devcoin Ventures?

It looks like I've missed updates, and they are not in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2001211

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Quote from: markm on June 14, 2013, 04:30:35 AM

Quote from: marticps on June 14, 2013, 04:21:45 AM

I agree with you with all you have said, it is rather better to use open source licenses. I will never give my money to companies such as Adobe. At this moment, due to my experience and free time, I can't manage to work with an open source alternative. But this doesn't mean that the work I create will be propietary work.

It is the actual product I am concerned about. A movie that you need a proprietary viewer to view is not suitable, it has to be in a codex that is open source and that has open source viewers available to view it.

Even if any open source viewers can view it, the actual media itself, the codex, the file they tell the viewer to display, should be an open source codex/format/type.

People should not need to use flash to see the thing.

Also, re "Being open source does mean that its source code is available for everybody to view, edit and redistribute it. The fact that Adobe Flash is not open source does not mean that the works created with it can't be open source.", we support free open source, not all open source. Commercial, proprietary etc open source does not qualify. Free as in freedom - to re-use, base derivative works on, alter, re-arrange, re-purpose, distribute, redistribute (all these freedoms go with it to those it is distributed to) etc - not necessarily free as in beer.

-MarkM-

I'm not sure if this is still under discussion, but IMO it shouldn't matter what software is used to make the video. That'd be if I made a Devcoin logo in Photoshop (not free or open source), then saved it as a PNG image and uploaded it with a CC license. The logo itself is free and open. Similarly, I could write some open source code in Visual Studio, and the code would still be open source. Or I could write an article on Devtome using a proprietary keyboard on my proprietary laptop...

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Quote from: ?? on ??

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And yes, that needs to be fixed. I confirmed that there's no trashbin on my side either. An alternative for the time being could be using the "upload update" or whatever it is. Not sure how it works though.

I think 'upload update' overwrites your original image, assuming you use the same name. This would allow some one to update charts etc with new data without relinking images in articles. It's possible you could rename your image that you upload too - but I haven't tied that yet. So if you are uploading test.jpg, you can specify folder location and final name of image, so test.jpg could become graph.jpg.

As long as it overwrites, it could be used as an alternative to remove improper images (just upload a blank one in its place). Of course it's better to allow direct deletion though.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Looking at https://www.dokuwiki.org/mime it appears that : swf application/x-shockwave-flash and mp3 audio/mpeg and ogg audio/ogg and wav audio/wav may be embedded in Devtome pages through MIME configuration. Some one would have to confirm as I'm not familiar with MIME.

Regarding images there is a PHP config that can limit uploaded maximum file/image sizes. This would be desirable going forwards if mega sized images get uploaded. https://www.dokuwiki.org/faq:uploadsize

At present it appears that images can not be deleted due to a missing toolbar. You can check this by going to http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=start&ns=wiki&tab_files=files&do=media&tab_details=view&image=fheenix%3Atest.jpg and clicking on an image. I use this page as an example as if these images were deleted, no harm would be done. When you click on an image a new box shows that allows you metadata.

Looking at https://www.dokuwiki.org/media_manager#layout you can see a similar view in their example, but with the toolbar at the top right above each image. Note the trashcan icon. I would suggest this be enabled should some one post undesired images i.e. porn etc.

Since when is porn undesirable? :p

And yes, that needs to be fixed. I confirmed that there's no trashbin on my side either. An alternative for the time being could be using the "upload update" or whatever it is. Not sure how it works though.

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oops haha yea

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