Topic: Dwarf FPGA – the anti-ASIC - page 7. (Read 43457 times)

I think its kind of a null point whether smaram endorsed the product or told people not to buy it;  The fact that he said he received his at least inspires confidence that it was a real product.  I think if everyone got one of these in the mail and it mined for 20 minutes at the advertised hashrate and quit, they would be pissed, but probably wouldn't think this was an out right scam.  I didn't buy one of these so I don't have any skin in the game, but its amazing how butthurt he is getting about this.  He should at least post a pic of the one he received.

Thank you for those references, clearly I must withdraw my argument.

Now I dont know? I never said there is anything that would prove he is the scammer or that he has any connection to him or whatever are you looking for you are making it up from nothing. You are the one who is accusing him without any evidence and flagging here users for no reason because you have nothing to do. I dont care about this scam at all I just saw that you are trying to plant it on bittube which I found outrageous enough to log in.
I am sure he is now taking plane and heading home right now leaving everything behing just to give you your photos which only prove that he was right when he said he received the unit nothing else.

Your input is shit at best, and deliberate obfuscation at worst. See below.



Edited 2020-11-29 to fix a broken image

Where are the pictures promised a month ago? Lie #1


Where are the messages? Lie #2


There is no "implicit claim to be telling the truth", he has lied at least twice.

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You're the one telling me to go looking for something but now you don't know?


Duh.

Get back to me when you have something.

The problem is I dont know what are you looking for if you want photos well there arent any I can save your time.
And I dont want to be rude but I have doubts you can read right now if you are asking for facts. Just few post above someone stated folowing:

"I don't think anyone is really disputing that he is, in fact, out of country at this time, so I don't see that there's much to do about it, until he returns home."

I dont know if you missed that or what happened? I also dont know when they are done and he return home. But the message screened above was written 28.6 on their discord even before you started this fud and started calling him the scammer you know Just stop flagging people for no reason I dont try to conceal any scam as you claim.

Nice implication, but my post count has nothing to do with the points I am making. I have followed this scam, have spoken out about it in the places I go from the first time I learned of it, and came here to give my input, precisely because it is in various respects more informed than yours, by your own admission (of not frequenting some of the places in question).




Unless you have info I do not, he has not lied yet, his statement has consistently been that he will provide pics when back from out of country. He is a fairly public figure; unless he never returns home, it is going to be pretty difficult to avoid the requests for pics, because I do not figure they will stop. When it is known he has returned, and still refuses to produce them, then I'll definitely adopt your position; likewise, if it goes on for some length of time that he claims not to have returned home, I will have to suspect, but then that is thorny, since you never know how life goes.




I don't see how that follows (re: occam's). I did not suggest an actual miner ever existed. I even specifically stated my own particular theory on what that lump of circuits may really have been doing. I think he is not doing himself any favors with how he is handling himself here, but on the other hand, he has literally had people trying to extort him (see again the screenshot I linked). And I did not say he is telling the truth; I said it is possible.




To the contrary, here, means contrary to his implicit claim to be telling the truth. For example, as mentioned above, returning home and yet refusing to provide the promised pics would be evidence of lying.

Instead of sending me on a wild goose chase you can do it yourself. Find whatever it is you think can be found and post it here.

So far all that you Bittube apologists have done is post walls of excuses. Bring facts. Let's start with pictures of the FPGA so that we could establish whether smaram lied or not.

Can you tell me how is my request for you to do more research of your suspect. "Attempting to conceal the Dwarf FPGA scam." for which you flagged me?
I thought I am done here but you just flagged me as well for absolute nonsense I asked you exact opposite to go and get all info that is available in their discord not just those screens which show only fraction of information. Instead of doing so you just flagged me as well and didnt even attempt to lookup anything it seems.

yeah, you nailed it..also if a product did exist THAT DID NOT WORK WELL..then a NORMAL OP , would ask for advice on here etc

deafening silence...it never existed in any way/shape/form

scammers are now just using this thread as an experiment to see if they can double down and confuse and such on this silliness

like pulling wings off a fly..something to do ..if cruel and bored...sorry for those who lost btc

brad

No, the fact is he lied - he promised (TWICE!) to provide additional info and he didn't.


That's not how Occam's razor works. There is absolutely zero proof of the miner ever existing. The scammer absconded with the money. The only other person who claimed to have seen the miner is having a tantrum and threatening with lawyers instead of taking a few pics. And he's the one telling the truth? Come on.


There can't be actual evidence of something not existing, it's up to smaram to provide proof that he didn't lie because he's the one making the claim that he got the miner.

It's funny how this thread is being flooded with noobs and accounts woken up after months of hibernation, all so suddenly eager to whitewash the scam on page 52. I wonder what Occam would say about this.

I do not see why his order must necessarily have been made any differently than anyone else's.

I had been following this whole thing with interest ever since I ran across the thread in May; as such, I became aware of his statements on it almost immediately they were made, which was 10 June, and in which he claimed to have received the unit 8 June. Looking back through my emails, I see my fake order was made 29 May, two days after they opened ordering, so as I say, I see no requirement that he would have to have had any special type of communication with them to be shipped the unit. It's certainly possible they would have contacted him directly, or vice versa, but I am aware of no statements having been made to indicate this.

I agree with you that it would be great to get (along with the promised pics) those other details -- shipping, etc -- provided he still has them, but I don't think anyone is really disputing that he is, in fact, out of country at this time, so I don't see that there's much to do about it, until he returns home.

I think the purpose here is to try to track down the scammers. Will we ever get the money back? Maybe not, but it would be good to try. Otherwise we become rationalizing sheep.

Questions still remain. How did he get knowledge of the unit to be shipped a prototype? Was it on the same web store that he got informed of before anyone else did? Was there a tracking number from the courier? What was the pick-up address from the courier? Which country? And so on. IF he had the device it would be helpful to provide some details on where to track where this device came from. If he never had the device, let him claim so. So far he's defensive, which is normal for someone scared of being accused as an accessory to a $2M crime of theft. But avoiding honest questions or being dodgy makes people suspicious and assume the worst.

Oh bullshit.  Now he's the victim?  His statements contributed to the scam.  People bought the card based on his claim that it existed.  Whether or not it really existed was, and remains, an open question but he seemed to put that concern to rest by claiming to have one.  I don't think he was really involved in the scam.  I suspect he lied when he said he had it because he wanted people to think he was cool or for whatever reason people say bullshit like that.  I don't think the device even exists.  But regardless of why he said it, his claim aided the scammer to scam people.  He's not a victim here, at best he's a liar who helped a thief.  I could characterize it more generously and I would actually if he had been more forthcoming but he decided not to be.

Fallacy of the excluded middle: it is entirely possible he is telling the truth, and was scammed just like the rest of these poor suckers. Now please consider this:

https://imgur.com/aRET8GD

I too want to see the pics he has promised (there, and at other times), but I do not take his standoffish response to accusations here as being at all unexpected or unnatural, when he has been dealing with such for a couple of weeks now.

Compound that with the stress of moving company headquarters out of country (that is why he has been in Berlin), and it's all pretty understandable to me; I've been out of country for months at a time, and cannot imagine the frustration of being put in the situation he is being put in here.

Furthermore, occam's razor for me says it is just highly unlikely that someone preoccupied with running one of the more successful and complex cryptonote projects would want to get involved with some stupid scam, in such a public way, with no escape route.

In the end, what are the facts regarding Saber? He claims to have been shipped the unit he ordered, he said that it worked, but not well, and he said he would provide pics when he returns home. Could he have been shipped the unit? Why not -- the dwarf scammers obviously had one "working" prototype (which just remote-controlled a rig, imho), which they could easily have shipped to him, after creating their now-deleted youtube videos.

That explanation fits the facts just fine, and is what I will be going with until presented with some actual evidence to the contrary.

100% agree; until he proves he wasn't lying.

I negged the OP very early on, as soon as he started taking money. How could I possibly get scammed?


It would make a lot of difference if smaram provided information about the device and about the scammer, whom he had contact with to obtain said device. There is a reasonable suspicion that the device never existed, so smaram saying that it did is a big deal. If he can prove that he's not lying I will consider revising my neg trust rating.


Feel free to provide the "context" with proof. So far you're just wasting everyone's time and derailing the thread.

Now you see.. you make assumptions very fast and it seems like your assumptions are all wrong and maybe thats why you got scammed in first place.
Would it make any difference if he help you? If he showed you fpga photo would you immediately assume he is the manufacturer?! he is already guilty in your eyes because you see red. Actually you have already flagged him All your evidence is just him saying that the unit exist but not saying anything positive about the fpga.
Pointing out such information or requesting you to get more info about the project you are now flagging as scam is called offtopic.
When someone else told you here that you can read it all on their discord you said you dont care about their discord. It seems like you dont really care about the full picture all you need are your two screenshots with cut out messages without any context.
Thats all from me I just got triggered by Searing for calling everybody here a scammer because they are not legendary I guess. I wont interrupt your hunt anymore dont worry.
Have a good day!

Stop derailing this thread with your shitcoin conspiracy bullshit. I have not even heard of and certainly couldn't have cared less about Bittube until these allegations came to light.


Lying is quite wrong either way. Whether smaram lied about ever having the FPGA, or is lying now trying to cover up the scam.


Again, quit the off topic whining. If you want to cooperate - please do so, otherwise I'm going to assume your intentions are to help this scam.

Sure this is not just fud meant to damage bittube project which has recently got between best cryptonight coins for miners especially by trying to keep asics,fpgas and botnets out of their network. I guess such behaviour cannot be accepted or others will follow.. they will have to pay for it now because they stepped up and denied any further profits from these fpga scams on their network.
Now their project leader and their entire thread have negative trust on bitcointalk despite they did nothing wrong only people who just came into this thread made concrete assumptions based on 5min read of this wich hunt and zero research of the actual project and its background. And now people with no clue what lead bittube to even care about fpga claim here that they are the scammer as one of the most valid options yea you are completely right this is not fud at all.
To me it looks similar like elon musk and all the fud stories petrol companies try to push into media about him and his cars because he is slowly destroying their bussiness and brings change.
 
While I dont fully understand why he doesnt want provide any additional info I see the attitute of people here and it gives me a clue why he doesnt want to be involved in this anymore at all as they already flagged him guilty as a scammer based on screenshot from discord chat where he claims he got one unit and doesnt recommend buying the this hardware because it doesnt work properly and actually call it piece of shit. Well thats some serious marketing tactic IMHO! And some people like Searing should take the blue pill from time to time to get back to reality the scammers are long gone and they dont give a shit about this thread or what you think about them if they really got 2mil from this.

Gosh even buying cryptonight asic from "verified" manufacturer is complete scam from the day they were officialy announced. I dont really understand what were you thinking people sending your btc to some Joe who promised you a share of his paradise because he doesnt want to be rich alone he want you to make money instead of him 

I made a very reasonable request to post pictures. You're the one playing games threatening with lawyers. I hope you will calm down and will either admit that you lied or show us the FPGA and where you got it from.


If he's a victim then he has nothing to lose and a lot to gain by cooperating. Friendly goes both ways, wouldn't you say?