Topic: Economic Devastation - page 124. (Read 504776 times)

this was the session in 2005 that covers only limited amount of topics. in 2008 somebody similar (or the same) turned up on russian spiritual forum where he/she continued. there were few economical hints and a strong stance on splitting up of ukraine. i could only find this translated version:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1379336/pg1

this is a more in depth third appearance on the american 'above all secrets' forum:
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html#2

if you really want to dig deeper into the afterlife i would recommend reading this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Souls-Studies-Between-Lives-ebook/dp/B001MTENOC
http://bazaarmodel.net/ftp/Project-C/Soul/JourneyofSouls.pdf

"the most amazing reincarnation story":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYCFoQ6pRs

scientific reincarnation evidence by dr ian stevenson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYCFoQ6pRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bQwu7k1vk4

`i origins` film worth watching on this:
https://torrenthound.unblocked.pw/hash/6b6a3a5eb90818aa0b184390492335a4ddd3edfd/torrent-info/I-Origins-2014-1080p-BrRip-x264--YIFY

sorry if off topic.

I agree with much of what you wrote but not this.

By your own logic above excess savings (in excess of what the free market would normally dictate) reduce both investment and consumption. Reductions in both will reduce growth and general prosperity over time and thus I would argue that it is a big deal.

You argument that that QTM somehow negates this seems incomplete.

Quantity Theory of Money
Vt * M = P * T

Vt =  is the velocity of money for all transactions in a given time frame
M = total nominal amount of money in circulation on average in the economy
P = Price level
T = Aggregate real value of transactions in a given time frame.

At its heart QTM is a simple deterministic equation. Obviously if T widgets are sold for P dollars in a day and a total of M dollars changed hands then the amount of times each dollar changed hands is Vt.

However, to argue that excess savings changes the value of money via QTM is flawed or at least incomplete.

If I reduce M because I have saved it by hiding it under a mattress or placed it in cold storage all the QTM dictates is that one of four things will occur.
1) Prices will drop
2) The overall quantity of goods that change hands per unit time will decline
3) Each currency unit in the economy will change hands more often
4) Some combination of 1-3

The QTM does not dictate that excess savings will make things cheaper for everyone else via reduced prices. There are two other outcomes that will satisfy QTM where prices remain unchanged.

 

Hey, I know you!

I've been called Lucifer
I've been called Satan
But my name is Richard, and YOU can call me Dick

I've got a job to do
I work at the bank
I foreclose on delinquent loans
I am the one who can send shivers down the backs of innocent men
I have a job to do, and I do it well
Last week we took the farm of some deadbeat farmer
He killed off all of his cattle before we could auction them off
Let me tell you
That sort of thing really pisses me off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAcNdW9eLic

We come here and become forgetful for the sheer fun of waking up to the simple fact that We Are One!

Investing is consuming?  Am I reading you right?

Saving is the act of not spending. Investing is the act of spending in the means of production. Consuming is the act of doing just that.

All of these can be excessive, which is an imbalance, but they also always correct naturally. Only state intervention can prolong misallocations so that they can last decades. In communist countries, investing (in further investment goods, but also army, etc.) became too big, and when it collapsed, the investments had depreciated to a point of many of them being near worthless. Excess consuming is a problem in the current U.S., whose manufacturing jobs are transported overseas, and replaced with services that pay 1/3. Excess saving is not a big deal though, it merely changes the value of money according to the QTM, making everythign cheaper for everyone else, both investment and consumer goods.

Prices are a result of people doing things, and a cause of them. Ideally, you should never meddle with the price process, because that is the only tool the Invisible Hand has. 99.9% of all economies, always through the course of history, have distorted prices in at least some goods, some time, somewhere. Always to their detriment. By letting the price of a thing fall, people would enjoy getting it cheaper, and also all other stuff would be cheaper as production would quicker migrate to other sectors. By letting it rise, more would be quickly produced and there would be no shortage.

Also the private stockpiling of critical items could and should be encouraged by allowing the hoarders to reap the profits of selling them when they are needed. Now the situation is same in the most civilized as in the most gloomy country: critical stockpiles of everything are readily seized without due process, without a hint of market compensation much less negotiation, in any kind of emergency. This encourages people to actively not think of any scenario beforehand and keeps them in the position of blissful helplessness and dependence of the government, who have the monopoly to help people in the crises that they have generated for the purpose of deepening the symbiosis (most of the crises, luckily, are not military in nature).

True, most of what was presented was a seriously gnostic way of presenting beliefs and representing them as fact.

Just a different way of looking into the physical world from a belief systems viewpoint.

If it sounds out there, it's mostly because it's a quite developed belief system that has been mostly skipped over .. hence .. the repetition of the truth wanting to be known and bits of fact scattered amongst so many different things.

Most gnostics are generally interesting people to converse with, especially the ones that have looked deep enough into it. The last forum I spent quite a bit of time on would put me in touch with about one every few weeks or so.

Good times.

I have no problem with most of the advice presented regarding self control, personal responsibility, free will et. However, the comments get stranger the farther you go down the thread.

When the author states "I do not have a child and will never have one" and then goes on to give parenting advice... well lets just say my respect for the overall work took a nose dive. The argument that a baby cries because it is a soul horrified that it has been trapped in this physical realm is clever but there are other perhaps more plausible explanations like the pain of having your head forcibly smashed through a small opening. The skull in infants is not fused so the six bones are literally deformed and compressed so they can overlap when the baby passes through the birth canal. Babies are known to cry when they are scared or in pain.

I disliked all of the Christian bashing. While not religious myself I make it a point never to try to attack the faith of another. I view religion very much as a vaccination against many of the toxins in our society today both cultural and physical. Religious people by and large live in a healthier manner then most of the heathens like me. Intellect and discipline can get you there but it is a much windier path and easier to go astray.

There was nothing falsifable presented in this work. I walked away with the impression that this was some ones clever way to spread a personal belief system on a conspiracy minded forum. According to the PDF that means I am doomed to another life in the physical world. I can live with that.
  

I read it all in one go. Thanks for this very nice "info" or point of view.
it's obvious this guy is on another frequency then most of us. I'm still not sure though.

He states "All knowledge is past on. Knowledge doesn't come out of nowhere."
But according to him it's our only goal to find our true purpose here/the true self, yet no one is allowed to tell us or we'll be stuck here for another lifetime. Seems dubious

Maybe you can clear my thoughts.

Thx

Complex topic here and worthy of some discussion. NotLambchop you and rpietila are discussing separate although not independent variables.

rpietila is addressing the destructive impact that inflation has when it is introduced as a mechanism to suppress price information. You are countering with the negative effects a lack of inflation has on growth.

These arguments are not mutually exclusive and in fact both are correct.

This.

What is love?

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6627&cpage=1#comment-1402150



Why men protect women

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6617&cpage=1#comment-1402088

No.  See big red text.  Non-inflationary currencies encourage saving, not investing.  Saving means taking money out of circulation, e.g. stuffing it in a mattress or a mason jar.

Time to focus. Time is slipping away.

i highly recommend for most, reaching certain stage in their lifes to get acquainted with this text:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/revelations_elitefamilyinsider.pdf

this is part 1 of 3 avaliable at the moment.

http://jbnote.com/amazing-29-colorized-historical-photos-number-22-terrifying/10/

But I would argue they've always been manipulated. I think the free market finds its way around such Coasian barriers, but many dumb people have to be destroyed in the process on the long-tail distribution adjustments.

Smart people follow something like Armstrong's computer model which can correlate 32,000 variables and make sense of the nonsense.

This is why I say never even imagine that we will have one perfect asset class. We have a massive system of relativity. That is reality.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/01/12/global-view-of-silver/

People don't even realize any more that if the quantity of currency is NOT at the whim of any person (like the quantity of gold is not), then people can and will use the information that the prices, interest and discount rates, etc. provide, to make educated economic decisions.

Nowadays, the economic calculation is either all but impossible, or total hogwash, and all stable units of account (gold, silver, BTC) are heavily manipulated to make their purchasing power bereft of the very information that it could convey if the unit was widely used and therefore more stable due to being a denominator of prices also.

 

What he meant is that when needed production is insufficient to meet demand, thus prices rising due to scarcity of production, then investment will increase. That is in a non-manipulated free market.

When prices are rising because a central bank is trying to prevent free market adjustments, then you have false demand created by overissuance of debt. In that case, everyone is batshit insane because there is no free market.

The point is that when the supply of money can't be manipulated by those who want to prevent a free market, then the free market will optimize the outcome.

Rising prices encourage you to save?  If you can buy a car for a dollar today, and that car will cost you $1,000,000 dollars tomorrow (rising prices), you're going to put that dollar in a piggy bank?  I believe the phrase that best describes your economic outlook is "batshit insane."