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February 13, 2015, 11:16:23 PM
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iamback & CoinCube

Jim Quinn is an uber-bear often featured at Zero Hedge.  He is a follower of macro-cycles (Howe & Strauss's "Fourth Turning"), but in a different space than Martin Armstrong.  You may very well have bumped into his material before, but if not, here is his latest piece:

http://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/02/11/fourth-turning-the-shadow-of-crisis-has-not-passed-part-three/

Thanks for the link. I just read all four parts. An interesting read and pretty much in line with the discussion here. I will link all four parts for those interested.

The Fourth Turning Part I
The Fourth Turning Part II
The Fourth Turning Part III
The Fourth Turning Part IV

What struck me is once again we see a discussion of recurrent cycles. Much like the theory of economic Kondratieff cycles discussed upthread. The author cites a book published in 1997 called The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy - What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with Destiny

The theory proposed by the book is that a turning lasts about 20–22 years. Four turnings comprise a full cycle of approximately 80 to 90 years (4 generations), which the authors term a saeculum. 1997 is a long time ago and I am curious to see the degree this author predicted current events. I will have to set some time aside to read it.

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February 13, 2015, 11:04:24 PM
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Health is extremely important.  Do what you need to to get better.

We'll all be here waiting for you!

And keep your eyes on the prize..., the long ball...
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Nobody knows what my sickness feels like

Remember your worst headache.

Remember collapsing in bed when you are so sick because you feel so yucky and weak.

Imagine having that every day of your life.

Welcome to my life now. That shit is what I feel again now (in spite of grinding my teeth to do 390 pushups and run 2 kms in the hills).

I used to have perfect health and energy. I used to run 13 miles (20 kms)!

Those of you who are healthy, are so stupid to be wasting your life on nonsense. If I had your good health, I would be conquering the world! Damnit!
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February 13, 2015, 06:55:46 PM
Feeling shit health. 6am. Just woke up. Haven't eaten.

Done with 300 pushups baby! 100 then 100 then 100. First time I could do 100 each time, since I did 600 pushups in 2010 one time (before I got so ill).

Off to run...

My backbone will break only the day I die! My football coach said you never fail, until you fail to stand back up.

One rule: no alcohol, no smoking, no sugar, no fruits or chemicals that are addictive (e.g. MSG and Durian).

Good diet! Congratulations.
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Armstrong made a major error recently when he wrote that savers in bonds are penalized by lowering interest rates in Europe. As rates fall, the pre-existing holders of bonds see appreciation in the value of their bonds. He forgot a major point about the inverse relationship between interest rates and capital appreciation of bonds.

I wrote in my 2011 essay which CoinCube linked from the OP:

http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Understand%20Everything%20Fundamentally.html#europe
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article31717.html
http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/understand-everything-fundamentally

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Europe will not disintegrate

Coase’s theorem says that an inefficient internal order will continue for as long as there remains an unavoidable frictional barrier insulating it from the more efficient external possibilities. The fundamental reason the EU crisis will not result in a disintegration of the union, at least not until its people significantly abandon collectivism, is that organisms which are unable to comprehend the mechanism by which they are consuming resources faster than their ecosystem can replenish, thus are unable to stop the mechanism before they perish. So the implosion of the friction and thus the order only occurs when they perish, because they will continue to repeat the mechanism which they do not understand to be a cause of their suffering. This can be verified in a petri dish, as an organism will reproduce until it consumes all of its food or oxygen. Due to the lack of a pre-frontal cortex, it is unable to comprehend the connection of reproduction to unsustainability. Unfortunately, even though humans have a pre-frontal cortex, they do not comprehend that debt, insurance, bonds, fractional reserve money, and centralized governance, cause the demand (and thus production) of resources to be overconcentrated in sectors of the ecosystem that create a less productive future. In the next section, I will explain that these financialization mechanisms cause collective failure and thus demand ever increasing centralization (i.e. “too big to fail”), because from their inception they all pool capital. Thus they are always collectivism.

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“It amazes that otherwise bright people can’t understand the simple concept that economic collapse doesn’t convert collectivists into anarchists.”

Thus the people are blind to the mechanism which is enslaving them and reducing their prosperity. Thus, since they will not change the mechanism, centralization of governance will grow stronger from the current financial crisis, and will diminish only when the involved organisms perish. Entropy is continuously culling the center of the bell curve so that knowledge can advance. I make no political judgment when I state factually that these mega-death cullings take many forms, e.g. abortions kill 42 million annually, it is reasonable to assume birth control probably more than that, some statistics claim that governments and wars have killed a couple 100 million in the past century, totalitarianism (the political end of pooling resources) kills millions, drugs and medications probably kill millions, cancer rates are double in the ‘developed’ world (the countries with financialization), and arguably GMO food may add to that. I am not making a political judgment on reproduction, rather to state the fact that actuarial economics are constrained and politically intractable without a sufficient population of youth. And as will be explained with the entropic force, it is the antithesis of knowledge formation, to a have uniform (replicated) social action.

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“Currency wars are like [...] slap wars, trade wars is where the knives come out.”
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“Currency wars > trade wars > hot wars.”

Europe is predominantly retirees (low or negative birth rates exacerbate this), that own various european country bonds via their retirement plans. If interest rates go up, the bond values decline, and their retirement is toast. The politics is to appease subconscious denial, which is why you see Merkel talking tough and simultaneously making gradual steps towards centralized printing and fiscal controls. The savers want to penalize the non-savers, under some illusion that they can convert the non-savers, but they don’t accept culpability for causing the problem with a collectivist form of saving. If the collectivist non-savers were converted to collectivist savers, then who would borrow? Illogical.

Thus, the savers are blind to the fact they too are collectivists. Productive europeans (e.g. Germans) want to have a fixed interest rate return by loaning money to less productive sectors who can buy their exports. Now they want to deny they are subconsciously in support of money printing, because they also don’t want their fixed income to disintegrate (even though it will be debased either way). Due to the psychological phenomenon of ‘false attribution error’ (i.e. blaming the stone that one tripped on, a form of cognitive dissonance), they want to be the victim who will spank and control the bad PIIGS, via increased centralized control. Neither the savers nor the borrowers are the victim, they all are collectivists and being culled by the entropic force. Note, Germany’s debt ratio is as bad as the USA and Canada.

Fiscal centralization to come next (link explains how), with copious money printing and centralized rationing (i.e. austerity and/or price controls). The recent health care legislation in the USA, is price controls and rationing. The only prosperous fix for health care, was to eliminate insurance a priori so that individuals could maximize and individualize their preparations for aging. I will explain that pooled savings, i.e. insurance, is collectivism and thus automatically wasted.

My outlook is optimistic, in that those who understand how to avoid collectivism, facilitate maximum knowledge formation and efficiency of market fitness, will prosper and (they and their offspring will) survive entropic culling.

And my prediction continues to be true:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/02/13/greeks-will-not-negotiate-with-the-troika-just-eu-ecb-imf/

Greeks will NOT Negotiate with the Troika Just EU, ECB, & IMF?

Politicians are the same everywhere. The new Greek government will now negotiate but they will not by any means do so with the hated Troika. Instead, they will only negotiate with the representatives of the EU, the ECB and the IMF (= sum in the Troika). They will negotiate restructuring Greek debt. That means a haircut for Greek debt holders.
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February 13, 2015, 06:19:52 PM
390 baby!

90 more to show those who are making excuses.

Off to run...
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February 13, 2015, 06:13:02 PM
Feeling shit health. 6am. Just woke up. Haven't eaten.

Done with 300 pushups baby! 100 then 100 then 100. First time I could do 100 each time, since I did 600 pushups in 2010 one time (before I got so ill).

Off to run...

My backbone will break only the day I die! My football coach said you never fail, until you fail to stand back up.

One rule: no alcohol, no smoking, no sugar, no fruits or chemicals that are addictive (e.g. MSG and Durian).
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February 13, 2015, 05:26:24 PM
Success breeds success; failure breeds failure

- You ran away to Canada

I ran away from the USA to live in squalor in the Philippines, so that is likely what I would have done.
 
- Defected as a conscientious objector (not likely for approval)

Several times in my life, I've burned my bridges in order to restart without morass so I could maximize my future degrees-of-freedom in order to attain success (a.k.a. creative destruction).

What you are is an entitled 20-something who grew up in suburban America in a nice part of town.

You forgot where I wrote in my prior post that I grew up in squalor in Louisiana and was for a while one of only two white kids in the entire PUBLIC elementary school (my sister being the other one).

I actually grew up with those rednecks you see in the video. I know that life intimately.

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Sorry but those weak people lack a backbone! And you can see that in the video. They don't have the capacity to stand up and fight their way out of their hole.


Keep this statement in your back pocket. Life has a way of beating down everyone at some time or another. I think you will change your opinions as you grow a bit older and wiser.

Hey I am about as beaten down right now as a human can be. A product of divorce at age 5 and my only sister murdered ostensibly by her drug addict husband. I am blinded in one eye, I have an apparently incurable debilitating disease, I have extreme family problems, I am nearly bankrupt, I am getting old turning 50 this June, etc..

But hell no, I am not going to blame my problems on others nor give up! It is time to get out there and win and go back to top. Fuck this situation I have! I will kill myself with Herculean effort trying to win, rather than stay mired in failure.


Everyone can learn from knowing Michael Jordan more intimately:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cygBtiZY40A

Basta, when we surround ourselves with failure, we fail.

Even Michael Jordan learned that when he tried to play with crappy players when he came back in his 40s to play for the Wizards. He has been learning ever since that as team owner and general manager of an NBA basketball team, he is not as talented as he was as a player. He wanted to be in control of a team, because his main failure as a player was due to the owner of the Chicago Bulls letting his dream team break up after they won the 6th championship in 1998.

(Note luckily Jordan was not GM for the Bulls, because he wanted to acquire one of his old teammates from North Carolina, thus his loyalty clouded his analysis. And look how he screwed up numerous times such as drafting Kwame Brown for the Wizards.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Michael-Jordan-takes-on-Kwame-Brown-again?urn=nba-265111
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/07/kobe-bryant-tells-a-story-that-sums-up-kwame-brown/
http://www.atthehive.com/2010/8/23/1638364/the-kwame-brown-story-will)

All of us are products of circumstance. MJ had outstanding luck. He had one-in-million physical talents. He had great parents, a great team, the world's best coach the Zen master Phil Jackson, etc..

Each of us has to maximize the circumstance we have.

The greatest compassion of all is not helping people feel sorry for themselves, and showing them by example (not words!) how to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

So if you find me not wasting too much time on people who can't get their shit together, read this email to understand why.
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February 13, 2015, 10:34:17 AM
I bet a lot of those guys in the video served in Vietnam. They were most likely upstanding young men who came back PTSD'd and shunned from their families. They fell in with some bad folks and here they are 20-40 years later.

Automation may wipe these people out from the job market, but most of America is not actually producing anything anyway. Money is being made on the transferring of money around and through its exportation to the World which is demanding USD. In years long ago, the US actually manufactured lots of things. Today it still does that, but on a very limited scale. People today are getting rich on the backs of others through financial markets with large lumps of cash and uneven odds.

B.A.S. again I detect an undercurrent of hatred (envy) for the wealthy in your writings (i.e. Socialist or Communist ideology). I am asserting we get wealthy by being productive and not associating with those losers who blame their problems on others (e.g. blaming the 1%).

Yeah government, finance, and fiat money systems are corrupt. So what? It still doesn't change the fact that self-discipline is what makes success.

The founders of Google didn't get there by whining, hiring losers, and farting around on the beach all day! They worked hard long hours.

It doesn't mean I don't have compassion for their plight and bad luck. And I surely wouldn't try to exacerbate their suffering. But I also know I can't invest in fixing their morass because it will drag me down with them.

P.S. I would not have served in Vietnam! No way I will be a slave of the corrupt who run governments. Sorry but those weak people lack a backbone! And you can see that in the video. They don't have the capacity to stand up and fight their way out of their hole.

I have no hatred for the wealthy; what I do have is a distinct appreciation for all walks of life and a defending spirit against others discrediting them because they have had different opportunities in life, a different background, look different, etc. This country was built by the hands of all types (more so the "underbelly" you speak of). It's disingenuous to write the things you do about people you have no idea about.

Don't be so naive. Sergio, the founder of Google, grew up with a decorated Mathematics professor father and a NASA researcher mother. He wasn't born in Harlem or Compton. This is not to say he wasn't a hard worker, but he went to a Montessori school for elementary education in the States. It's a $100 just to apply! This is elementary school.

You would not of had a choice to serve in Vietnam or not. There was a draft!
 
Exceptions from service:
- You ran away to Canada
- Defected as a conscientious objector (not likely for approval)

What you are is an entitled 20-something who grew up in suburban America in a nice part of town. You have or just may be finishing up a BA degree in econ/accounting or some business field which makes you feel confident enough to armchair regurgitation from some websites muddled with your thoughts. You are entitled to all your opinions and I can stomach that.

What you lack is respect for those who served our country, their thoughts/ways of life and a healthy appreciation of all walks of life. This I cannot stomach.

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Sorry but those weak people lack a backbone! And you can see that in the video. They don't have the capacity to stand up and fight their way out of their hole.

Keep this statement in your back pocket. Life has a way of beating down everyone at some time or another. I think you will change your opinions as you grow a bit older and wiser.

Thanks for your post. Different ages and times induce very different points of views.
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February 13, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
I bet a lot of those guys in the video served in Vietnam. They were most likely upstanding young men who came back PTSD'd and shunned from their families. They fell in with some bad folks and here they are 20-40 years later.

Automation may wipe these people out from the job market, but most of America is not actually producing anything anyway. Money is being made on the transferring of money around and through its exportation to the World which is demanding USD. In years long ago, the US actually manufactured lots of things. Today it still does that, but on a very limited scale. People today are getting rich on the backs of others through financial markets with large lumps of cash and uneven odds.

B.A.S. again I detect an undercurrent of hatred (envy) for the wealthy in your writings (i.e. Socialist or Communist ideology). I am asserting we get wealthy by being productive and not associating with those losers who blame their problems on others (e.g. blaming the 1%).

Yeah government, finance, and fiat money systems are corrupt. So what? It still doesn't change the fact that self-discipline is what makes success.

The founders of Google didn't get there by whining, hiring losers, and farting around on the beach all day! They worked hard long hours.

It doesn't mean I don't have compassion for their plight and bad luck. And I surely wouldn't try to exacerbate their suffering. But I also know I can't invest in fixing their morass because it will drag me down with them.

P.S. I would not have served in Vietnam! No way I will be a slave of the corrupt who run governments. Sorry but those weak people lack a backbone! And you can see that in the video. They don't have the capacity to stand up and fight their way out of their hole.

I have no hatred for the wealthy; what I do have is a distinct appreciation for all walks of life and a defending spirit against others discrediting them because they have had different opportunities in life, a different background, look different, etc. This country was built by the hands of all types (more so the "underbelly" you speak of). It's disingenuous to write the things you do about people you have no idea about.

Don't be so naive. Sergio, the founder of Google, grew up with a decorated Mathematics professor father and a NASA researcher mother. He wasn't born in Harlem or Compton. This is not to say he wasn't a hard worker, but he went to a Montessori school for elementary education in the States. It's a $100 just to apply! This is elementary school.

You would not of had a choice to serve in Vietnam or not. There was a draft!
 
Exceptions from service:
- You ran away to Canada
- Defected as a conscientious objector (not likely for approval)

What you are is an entitled 20-something who grew up in suburban America in a nice part of town. You have or just may be finishing up a BA degree in econ/accounting or some business field which makes you feel confident enough to armchair regurgitation from some websites muddled with your thoughts. You are entitled to all your opinions and I can stomach that.

What you lack is respect for those who served our country, their thoughts/ways of life and a healthy appreciation of all walks of life. This I cannot stomach.

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Sorry but those weak people lack a backbone! And you can see that in the video. They don't have the capacity to stand up and fight their way out of their hole.

Keep this statement in your back pocket. Life has a way of beating down everyone at some time or another. I think you will change your opinions as you grow a bit older and wiser.
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February 13, 2015, 02:14:10 AM
I was aware of Quinn, and he is spot on correct and a much superior writer than me. I never claimed to be gifted in the literary realm (85 - 90% percentile only on standardized test, 99+% percentile in the abstract realm).

He and our comments have also missed the fact that even those not suffering from those impulses, are financially complicit (and historically bound) in the decadent system and thus also biased towards not recognizing this reality.

As the USA was expanding as an industrial powerhouse, with the Mississippi river and the canals and rivers from the East coast, along with coasts on both the East and West hemispheres giving it a geographical advantage in physical trade over Europe, Asia, and Africa, then we needed this low education workforce. Now the low-IQ melting pot has become an albatross, and especially as we move into the Computer Age where tangible goods are devalued.

Even very smart Americans have not accepted that geographical fluke has reached the end of its utility, and that the ideals they were ingrained with (e.g. pay your fair share for a better society) is exactly what is going to cause the spiral into the abyss (until they wake up due to pain and start the shooting wars to break up the USA into non-productive 3rd world and productive regions).

When Google moves its main office to Asia or is superseded by an Asian internet company, that will be a watershed event that confirms the end of the USA empire. One of the founders of Facebook already gave up his USA citizenship and attained Singaporean citizenship. And he paid a huge tax penalty in order to do that sooner rather than delaying.
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February 13, 2015, 01:45:29 AM
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iamback & CoinCube

Jim Quinn is an uber-bear often featured at Zero Hedge.  He is a follower of macro-cycles (Howe & Strauss's "Fourth Turning"), but in a different space than Martin Armstrong.  You may very well have bumped into his material before, but if not, here is his latest piece:

http://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/02/11/fourth-turning-the-shadow-of-crisis-has-not-passed-part-three/

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The American people have lost their ability to think, reason, question, do math, control their urges, defer gratification, or realize when they are being lied to by the people they elected to public office. A culture of ignorance, celebration of the absurd, salutation of stupidity, honoring of the inane, being mesmerized by electronic gadgets, and satiating their egocentric shallow impulses on social media, is a sure recipe for societal collapse. Victory in World War II and becoming a modern day empire created the dynamic Eisenhower warned about. An immense military industrial complex has created enemies around the globe in order to keep the profits flowing in this welfare/warfare empire of debt. War is a racket for the rich. The peasants who buy into the incessant patriotic propaganda and volunteer are nothing but cannon fodder for the .1%. Keeping the masses fearful of phantom enemies and portraying foreign leaders as evil, is essential for the oligarchs to retain their wealth, power and control. Truth, facts, and long-term consequences are of no interest to the sociopaths running the show and pulling the levers. The dissent into darkness has been gradual and unnoticed by a purposefully distracted populace.

Yow!
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February 13, 2015, 01:00:06 AM
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@ iamback and above interested in wealth creation


Yes, unless you already have money, you must work for it.  Productive work is what it is all about.  Just digging a ditch (low-skilled jobs) in low demand are typically NOT a way to do that.  You must do something that people with money to pay actually want.

-- Educate yourself to the best of your ability in a worthwhile field
-- Work like a dog...  Stay positive, even when things look bad.
-- Avoid bad habits (drugs/alcohol, having children before marriage, etc.).  Stay out of jail, etc.
-- Be open-minded, you never know where the opportunities will come from
-- Keep learning (I am 58, and have been learning BTC for about a year)
-- Keep working hard
-- Did I mention keep working hard?

Luck matters, at least in the short-term.  Luck matters less (usually!) vs. persistence over time.  It took over 10 years for our company in Peru (my in-laws) to make our investment back.  Persistence pays.

Wealth preservation would be the next thing to think about once one is on a good trail to wealth creation...  CoinCube's thread here is a good place to discuss that too.

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February 12, 2015, 11:58:19 PM
I bet a lot of those guys in the video served in Vietnam. They were most likely upstanding young men who came back PTSD'd and shunned from their families. They fell in with some bad folks and here they are 20-40 years later.

Automation may wipe these people out from the job market, but most of America is not actually producing anything anyway. Money is being made on the transferring of money around and through its exportation to the World which is demanding USD. In years long ago, the US actually manufactured lots of things. Today it still does that, but on a very limited scale. People today are getting rich on the backs of others through financial markets with large lumps of cash and uneven odds.

B.A.S. again I detect an undercurrent of hatred (envy) for the wealthy in your writings (i.e. Socialist or Communist ideology). I am asserting we get wealthy by being productive and not associating with those losers who blame their problems on others (e.g. blaming the 1%).

Yeah government, finance, and fiat money systems are corrupt. So what? It still doesn't change the fact that self-discipline is what makes success.

The founders of Google didn't get there by whining, hiring losers, and farting around on the beach all day! They worked hard long hours.

It doesn't mean I don't have compassion for their plight and bad luck. And I surely wouldn't try to exacerbate their suffering. But I also know I can't invest in fixing their morass because it will drag me down with them.


P.S. I would not have served in Vietnam! No way I will be a slave of the corrupt who run governments. Sorry but those weak people lack a backbone! And you can see that in the video. They don't have the capacity to stand up and fight their way out of their hole.
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February 12, 2015, 10:10:14 PM
I watched the film. It's a very good look at what drugs and alcohol can do to people as well as what a simple life outlook and philosophy looks like. Nothing wrong with the latter. The characters may not be the 'perfect' people, but I can assure you all that separates these people for many in the upperclasses is a higher level vernacular and better clothing. I've seen both and the sad part is they both end up looking more alike from a holistic perspective. Rich and poor people like drugs/alcohol equally.

Similarly and growing up in poverty in New Orleans, Baton Rouge and later the Philippines, I've experienced this life to some degree. Yet I also managed to have a 4.0 GPA from middle school through college (except for first semester in 10th grade of high school when I transferred from LA to CA, and was drunk many of the days of that semester yet still managed a 3.2 GPA for the semester and won JV League Champion in XCountry with a time of 16:40 for 3 miles). Also I took Calculus at night college while I was a senior in High School. In college I stopped going to class and was scoring in the high 90s for grades and for example I place in the top 3 out of 3 sections in Chemistry 101 at a major university (300 students).

What I see in that video is people who are playing out their life emotions, yet haven't been able to have the self-discipline to rise above their emotional issues and achieve. I've been so near to the top (as mentioned above, then creating million user software that impacted the world) yet also I've fallen into holes that have squandered much of my ability similar to how these people in the video have.

The difference is I am recognizing it and determined to get back to the top and this time all the way to the top and stay there. One of the key elements for achieving this, is I must not associate with people who do not have self-discipline. That is one the primary mistakes or factors that separates great success from mediocrity.

OTOH, I will say that these people are very interesting and colorful, and I actually love to interact with these people in short bursts. But I don't want to live with them and let my self-discipline slide into the abyss.

And yes, this is exactly the gang banger shit that teens drift into because they have no self-discipline and don't have the role models and environment to teach them how to have self-discipline.

And yes, America will decline severely after 2016 and a big washout of this underclass will ensue. I don't plan to be there for that.

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February 12, 2015, 08:53:02 AM


As B.A.S. has admitted, the thinking (attitude and circumstance) of Westerners is aligned with spiraling the abyss. I have observed such attitudes in my own family in the USA. CoinCube has an exceptionally erudite nuclear family and a high quality career path, so afaik he probably doesn't associate with the lowlife underbelly of our society in the USA (thus I think he may not be aware how widespread the underbelly is and how intractable the ingrained attitudes are). I am intimately familiar with the lowlifes. I should send him a link to a facebook profile with 100s of "gang banger" attitude Likes.
This is a good film for anyone not familiar with what the American underclass looks like. http://vimeo.com/118532076

Rather unsettling to see just how ubiquitous these attitudes are. With so many of these people, devoid of any productive capacity or purpose, coupled with the continuing trend of automation, it certainly seems like much of what you are saying is inevitable. I don't see how an increase in socialism can be avoided in this country.


I watched the film. It's a very good look at what drugs and alcohol can do to people as well as what a simple life outlook and philosophy looks like. Nothing wrong with the latter. The characters may not be the 'perfect' people, but I can assure you all that separates these people for many in the upperclasses is a higher level vernacular and better clothing. I've seen both and the sad part is they both end up looking more alike from a holistic perspective. Rich and poor people like drugs/alcohol equally.

I bet a lot of those guys in the video served in Vietnam. They were most likely upstanding young men who came back PTSD'd and shunned from their families. They fell in with some bad folks and here they are 20-40 years later.

Automation may wipe these people out from the job market, but most of America is not actually producing anything anyway. Money is being made on the transferring of money around and through its exportation to the World which is demanding USD. In years long ago, the US actually manufactured lots of things. Today it still does that, but on a very limited scale. People today are getting rich on the backs of others through financial markets with large lumps of cash and uneven odds.
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As B.A.S. has admitted, the thinking (attitude and circumstance) of Westerners is aligned with spiraling the abyss. I have observed such attitudes in my own family in the USA. CoinCube has an exceptionally erudite nuclear family and a high quality career path, so afaik he probably doesn't associate with the lowlife underbelly of our society in the USA (thus I think he may not be aware how widespread the underbelly is and how intractable the ingrained attitudes are). I am intimately familiar with the lowlifes. I should send him a link to a facebook profile with 100s of "gang banger" attitude Likes.
This is a good film for anyone not familiar with what the American underclass looks like. http://vimeo.com/118532076

Rather unsettling to see just how ubiquitous these attitudes are. With so many of these people, devoid of any productive capacity or purpose, coupled with the continuing trend of automation, it certainly seems like much of what you are saying is inevitable. I don't see how an increase in socialism can be avoided in this country.
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February 11, 2015, 05:43:47 PM
How the USA will force you back to the USA... (you won't be able to have a bank account or get any funds abroad)

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/02/02/how-to-run-a-government-for-dummies/

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COMMENT: My wife took our 4-year old Alex to the bank today to open a savings account for him with his piggy bank of about 10k baht ($333.00). The teller noticed he was half Thai and asked if he was American, to which she said he was both Thai and American.

The teller: “We won’t open an account for him because we have to report him to the IRS.”

So my wife said “open it as a trust account as a Thai citizen.” The teller: “Can’t do that. It’s evading U.S. regulations.”

End result: Alex can’t open an account here.

Amazing, simply amazing.
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February 11, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
Armstrong admits that most Americans can't migrate to Asia (with its very low crime, death penalty for drugs, strong families, and erudite youth) and suggests Central and South America (I also investigated these options, but drugs, laziness, and personal security is a problem in Latin America[1]):

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/02/03/where-can-we-flee-to-this-time/

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One question a lot of people ask – where can we go this time? America was the place people fled to from Europe and the economic abuses. This is why the American people were such isolationists for World War I and II distinct and apart from its politicians. The politicians did everything to get Americans to support a war. Roosevelt even went to Boston to promise their sons would never go to Europe, just arms. The Irish were not very tolerant of defending Britain when they saw the English as the oppressors of the Irish that sent them fleeing to the States.

Asia may present some problems for any kind of a mass exodus. That really leaves Africa and South America. One of the best kept secrets was the fact that many Southern Confederates fled the USA upon losing the war and they took off to Brazil. To this very day they still celebrate the American Confederacy in Brazil.

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So perhaps the only place left will be south of the border. Where American’s called Mexican’s swimming across the Rio Grand “wet backs”, they may apply the same term to Americans fleeing the new draconian America if the direction we fall is authoritarian rather than freedom – cómo está.

[1]http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/11/rural-crime-keeps-getting-worse-what-do.html
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February 11, 2015, 01:38:47 PM
I do not believe the current system is sustainable, but some of the Obamacare enactments will help forge a new direction for healthcare. A fundamental mind set change needs to happen (AKA a few generations need to die off with the newest generations begin taught a new way of thinking towards their health). What's troublesome for me is that the US healthcare system is not universally organized for set pricing. I don't get a larger salary because pricing increases. A heart surgery can run on the low end of $50K at a less known hospital to upwards of $150K at the best hospital with the most well known surgeon. In both cases, the docs know how to do the surgery, were trained identically; yet the price is different.

Healthcare is competitive in the US. Not only do they want you to pay for it, but on top of it; you have to pay TOP dollar to get expected care in these situations. This is not sustainable or dare I say 'fair' in a country where basic care is an unalienable right. I don't blame either side, but sometime long ago someone said basic healthcare was a right and now we are finding out how hard it is to live that statement when the "basic" component has been stretched to include everything from a routine physical to diabetes.

Massive overhauls need to happen with respect to surgeries, cancer, expensive treatments, ER visits, etc. This is where the money is being lost because the majority of Americans who get these procedures don't have a penny to pinch in regards to paying it off. If America operated like Singapore today, we would most likely have a healthier population who value their health more, but this is not the American mindset right now. Necessity is the mother of all invention.

B.A.S. not only that but you won't have a penny to pinch after the system expropriates everything you have, including your job, savings, pension, and home.

There won't be any new direction. The society will crash and burn, until some sectors organize and fight to break away from the rest of the USA. But that won't happen until after you have been expropriated. You and your like minded brethren won't get motivated to use guns to break away from the morass until you have been expropriated and are desperate.

Collectivized systems are not anti-fragile[1]. They don't adapt. They waterfall collapse.

[1] Taleb. http://longplayer.org/letters/to-stewart-brand/
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