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sr. member
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July 10, 2014, 07:11:42 PM

I agree with the 'can't buy knowledge' part. Internet has made the cost of most knowledge almost free or next to nothing, something that people in the pre-internet era couldn't dream of. Hopefully these large amounts of knowledge available can bring some quality changes.


Free knowledge mostly benefit 3rd world. But that is causing havoc back in the 1st world country as most resources went into research and development, and now being given away for free.

You are wrong, 3rd world has no internet or is highly filtered.
Many 3rd world countries do have some level of internet access, but the quality (speed/latency) is not very good. The cost of internet access is also high when compared to average earnings.
hero member
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July 09, 2014, 02:17:20 PM
Smart phone is actually very popular in 3rd world country. And they do have high speed internet service.

You are wrong, but it depends what is 3rd world for you and you might be right. And good luck learning some useful stuff from smartphones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_smartphone_penetration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users
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July 09, 2014, 12:50:08 PM

I agree with the 'can't buy knowledge' part. Internet has made the cost of most knowledge almost free or next to nothing, something that people in the pre-internet era couldn't dream of. Hopefully these large amounts of knowledge available can bring some quality changes.


Free knowledge mostly benefit 3rd world. But that is causing havoc back in the 1st world country as most resources went into research and development, and now being given away for free.

You are wrong, 3rd world has no internet or is highly filtered.

Smart phone is actually very popular in 3rd world country. And they do have high speed internet service.
hero member
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Merit: 500
July 09, 2014, 12:43:28 PM

I agree with the 'can't buy knowledge' part. Internet has made the cost of most knowledge almost free or next to nothing, something that people in the pre-internet era couldn't dream of. Hopefully these large amounts of knowledge available can bring some quality changes.


Free knowledge mostly benefit 3rd world. But that is causing havoc back in the 1st world country as most resources went into research and development, and now being given away for free.

You are wrong, 3rd world has no internet or is highly filtered.
full member
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July 09, 2014, 12:01:15 PM

I agree with the 'can't buy knowledge' part. Internet has made the cost of most knowledge almost free or next to nothing, something that people in the pre-internet era couldn't dream of. Hopefully these large amounts of knowledge available can bring some quality changes.


Free knowledge mostly benefit 3rd world. But that is causing havoc back in the 1st world country as most resources went into research and development, and now being given away for free.
newbie
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July 09, 2014, 05:45:09 AM
I agree with the 'can't buy knowledge' part. Internet has made the cost of most knowledge almost free or next to nothing, something that people in the pre-internet era couldn't dream of. Hopefully these large amounts of knowledge available can bring some quality changes.

right
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legendary
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July 08, 2014, 11:06:22 PM

This is misunderstanding of basic economy.  People do investments to increase productivity. But that capital has a cost, so they would not waste it.


When you eliminate workers entirely the productivity of your workforce becomes infinite, so you out compete everyone else.

What happened to the rest of my rant?



Smiley
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
July 08, 2014, 10:49:32 PM

This is misunderstanding of basic economy.  People do investments to increase productivity. But that capital has a cost, so they would not waste it.


When you eliminate workers entirely the productivity of your workforce becomes infinite, so you out compete everyone else.

What happened to the rest of my rant?

legendary
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July 08, 2014, 09:22:20 PM
pop.. dat.. bubble!



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-08/fed-going-attempt-controlled-collapse

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The risk of normalising too late and too gradually should not be underestimated… The trade-off is now between the risk of bringing forward the downward leg of the cycle and that of suffering a bigger bust later on .
Few are ready to curb financial booms that make everyone feel illusively richer. Or to hold back on quick fixes for output slowdowns, even if such measures threaten to add fuel to unsustainable financial booms,” …
“The road ahead may be a long one. All the more reason, then, to start the journey sooner rather than later.”

Grin
legendary
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July 08, 2014, 01:42:29 PM

This is misunderstanding of basic economy.  People do investments to increase productivity. But that capital has a cost, so they would not waste it.


When you eliminate workers entirely the productivity of your workforce becomes infinite, so you out compete everyone else.

What happened to the rest of my rant?
sr. member
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July 07, 2014, 11:23:39 PM
Oh, shit!

The "fall" of Rome was due to..........................

Hell, Ima not even deal with this one in this environment.
STT
legendary
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July 07, 2014, 10:51:10 PM

Western Rome fell into a 600 year Dark Age and the population of Rome plummeted from 1+ million to 30,000. I call that Devastation. The peripheral markets boomed such as Byzantine, where there wasn't this inertia preventing adjustment.

Quote from: Armstrong
Government just do not get it. They are in serious trouble and the top 10% (free thinkers not richest) are moving be it stamps, coins, cars, art, real estate, whatever.

Classic cars are not a taxable event in UK, not sure about elsewhere but they are an ideal store of wealth.    Art is used in drug deals in place of cash as high value tokens of exchange, hence stolen art though it cannot be sold properly is used in this way and with alot less effort then collecting suitcases of dollars.

This is why diamonds are at the top of Exters triangle, in times of grand inflation their worth expands greatly but their actual worth to society is not fundamental hence its a bubble price.


The fall of Rome was not due to their use of technology and labour reducing devices.   They go over in the mp3 the debasement of currency and its effects on various parts of the empire, it became totally a command economy not capitalist in any way as merchants and trade previously had been free

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_commerce
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
July 06, 2014, 11:48:25 PM

This is misunderstanding of basic economy.  People do investments to increase productivity. But that capital has a cost, so they would not waste it.


When you eliminate workers entirely the productivity of your workforce becomes infinite, so you out compete everyone else.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
July 06, 2014, 11:42:57 PM

Just what IS it with all these robots? They're putting people out of work--if a robot is doing a job, a person isn't. Also, they're used militarily to KILL people. But the real stupidity of it all is, why are we building these machines to our detriment?

If you kill someone, they don't need a job, so it all works out.  Good good right?
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July 06, 2014, 08:26:26 AM
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adjustment phase is the megadeath killer every time...

If there is a gain from the technology then some will see unemployment but society is gaining all that time of change so in net total it is a positive not a disaster.      There is no good reason why USA would have to fail dramatically, that only occurs if events are totally unyielding.    As failure occurs, adjustment will happen.    As above, as some find their jobs are not useful or redundant they will transition elsewhere and it is reasonable to consider that some who lose jobs to new technology are richer in their new work.
    If this gov screws up the debt (further) and refuses to give way, it could end up in war but that is an absolute extreme.  It might also be that gov debt fails, they default or haircut the value and then we move on.   Some loss occurs, some are worse off but overall it is possible to benefit from failure and this is irony that is missed but perfectly possible.   When gov or failure occurs it could be the negatives from their current behaviour is no longer there and society benefits; this is the base line to capitalism .
  Ironically this struggle, and loss, win to business and constant competition is still a positive for all involved overall and that includes those who lose business, or lose money or in the case of an entire country losing their reserve currency.  It results in mutual benefit to discontinue inefficient practise

Devastation is a myth

Inflation and the Fall of the Roman Empire
http://mises.org/daily/3663


Western Rome fell into a 600 year Dark Age and the population of Rome plummeted from 1+ million to 30,000. I call that Devastation. The peripheral markets boomed such as Byzantine, where there wasn't this inertia preventing adjustment.



So AnonyMint, you don't think that Bitcoin has what it takes to succeed because it's not anonymous and is too centralized through large mining pools? Are there any alt currencies that you think have to potential to succeed?

Keep you eye on the alts.



---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: An example of the fledging Knowledge Age the world is entering
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Sun, July 6, 2014 8:19 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <[email protected]>
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Before I terminate my communications, a concrete example of the more autonomous, decentralized Knowledge Age in action...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/914635363/lace-anchors-20-a-simple-design-for-simple-people

The frontiers are where the free thinkers are headed, as is always the case and always the only solution to dying socialism.

Also Armstrong seems to have realized it...but I hope he realizes is it not just tangible assets, rather intellectual property that is the most significant frontier...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/07/06/getting-off-the-grid-cars-as-well/

Quote from: Armstrong
Government just do not get it. They are in serious trouble and the top 10% (free thinkers not richest) are moving be it stamps, coins, cars, art, real estate, whatever.
legendary
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bigtimespaghetti.com
July 05, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
A big problem is labour being over valued by governments enforcing minimum wage - creating conflicts of interest as public unions do. Not to mention warping markets and increasing demand for cheaper automation exacerbating the employment issue.

Minimum wage is mainly required due to the arbitrary boom and bust manufactured by central banking though.

Try and explain that to someone scraping by and not sound like an asshole though!

Technology could create such great progress, it's baffling to imagine how much further society could be along without the retardation of collectivism, could be that employment wouldn't be such an issue.

Minimum wage... it is forbidden to pay less...some jobs are forbidden.

It is there, practically in the words used. Minimum wage is a regulation to remove a part of the job supply.



When we go cashless, cryptos will play an important role for those cash in hand jobs that go on under the radar.
legendary
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July 05, 2014, 04:23:04 PM
A big problem is labour being over valued by governments enforcing minimum wage - creating conflicts of interest as public unions do. Not to mention warping markets and increasing demand for cheaper automation exacerbating the employment issue.

Minimum wage is mainly required due to the arbitrary boom and bust manufactured by central banking though.

Try and explain that to someone scraping by and not sound like an asshole though!

Technology could create such great progress, it's baffling to imagine how much further society could be along without the retardation of collectivism, could be that employment wouldn't be such an issue.

Minimum wage... it is forbidden to pay less...some jobs are forbidden.

It is there, practically in the words used. Minimum wage is a regulation to remove a part of the job supply.

legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1057
bigtimespaghetti.com
July 05, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
A big problem is labour being over valued by governments enforcing minimum wage - creating conflicts of interest as public unions do. Not to mention warping markets and increasing demand for cheaper automation exacerbating the employment issue.

Minimum wage is mainly required due to the arbitrary boom and bust manufactured by central banking though.

Try and explain that to someone scraping by and not sound like an asshole though!

Technology could create such great progress, it's baffling to imagine how much further society could be along without the retardation of collectivism, could be that employment wouldn't be such an issue.
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