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April 06, 2015, 04:43:34 AM
It is time for me to say goodbye (fuckers!  Grin). I really mean it this time.

I am scrambling my password and I intend to not come back for any reason whatsoever.

Time for me to return to a real life. I wish everyone the best.

Well goodbye I guess. Thanks for the chat..  l8s hopefully they didnt get your Ip lol
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April 06, 2015, 04:38:24 AM
It is time for me to say goodbye (fuckers!  Grin). I really mean it this time.

I am scrambling my password and I intend to not come back for any reason whatsoever.

Time for me to return to a real life. I wish everyone the best.
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April 06, 2015, 04:24:37 AM
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Subject: Asia is not lacking the capacity to rapidly shift into the Knowledge Age
From:    wearefucked
Date:    Mon, April 6, 2015 5:30 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <[email protected]>
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Armstrong wrote a post addressing my latest emails to him:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/04/06/economic-evolution-the-sixth-wave/

I appreciate his rebuttal and I would like to make my final rebuttal. Armstrong can have the last world on his blog, but I suspect I will have the last word in terms of the outcome.

I agree that there is a danger that society could descend into a Dark Age and the internet could get shut off. However, I think this is not likely globally for numerous reasons.

1. There are billions of people who still know how to live off the land (and I live with them to make sure I will always eat besides I even know how to dig up native root crops in the tropics). It is the western cities that are most in danger of not eating and descending into riots and looting. However, the aftermath of super typhoon Yolanda exemplified what can happen even in a resourceful country when there is too widespread of devastation and warlords take advantage of the power vacuum. Yet those who had armed themselves and stockpiled some stored food, would have fared okay. The locals were banding together to protect each other, and the warlords were only effective at night and on the remote highways.

2. The global youth use the internet. You can't go any where in the world, where the youth don't know how to use a smartphone and the internet. Shutting off the internet is politically implausible, even in wartime. Just as those illiterate, remote Ethiopian kids learned to program Android on their own with no instruction in 47 days, the youth would ingeniously figure out how to turn the internet back on. They could probably do it with an adhoc mesh network with Wifi on smartphones. Ham operators would chime in with relay repeaters for long-range backbones, etc..

3. Commodites have inexorably declined in relative value in the economy:

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Economy of Knowledge

Since recorded history began, the knowledge production share of the economy is inexorably increasing, which is why the cost (i.e. relative value) of hard resources has inexorably declined over the centuries (see the chart). Iron was a precious metal 323 B.C..

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/images/cfn396_1.gif

4. I agree with Armstrong that shift is monumental and challenging, but I think he hasn't been paying attention to the fact that shift is already occurring. Asia is rising with call centers and the education is all private schools over here and cash (no student loans). The youth are already making that pragmatic shift over here (while the western youth fall into the pit of socialism, morals, debt, ideological diatribes, etc). And they are first generation from the shift from farming. So they have their parents at home on the farm to provide the backup that Armstrong notes is lacking in the West. They have strong families, strong local communities, etc..

It will be a waterfall collapse of the west to Asia adopting the Knowledge Age and libertarianism combined with strong governments which are much smaller % of GDP (roughly 20% versus 70% in the west, once cost of regulations are factored in).


Sorry folks, I am correct.

Goodbye fuckers!  Grin (its a joke, duh)
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April 06, 2015, 04:04:54 AM
Bottom line is the system that enables the most meritorious competition will win. It doesn't need and won't be a perfect system.

If you want to prosper the most, make sure you align yourself with that future.

Our inborn humanitarianism will come forth naturally from that prosperity.

yeh i believe i may have misundertood marxism by listening to the poly psy friends over the years that would never get to the point.. talking about labour parties.. rebellion.. union.. cause for the working man..

But the fuckers wouldnt be working.. and would never get to the point.. so just wikied marxism.  kinda needed to know the definition.  perhaps i am a marxist simply by working hard and believing in the general rule that good men will conquer the bullshit, by eating the bullshit.. and continually building a better society..

"Marxism is a worldview and a method of societal analysis that focuses on class relations and societal conflict, that uses a materialist interpretation of historical development, and a dialectical view of social transformation. Marxist methodology uses economic and sociopolitical inquiry and applies that to the critique and analysis of the development of capitalism and the role of class struggle in systemic economic change.

In the mid-to-late 19th century, the intellectual tenets of Marxism were inspired by two German philosophers: Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Marxist analyses and methodologies have influenced multiple political ideologies and social movements. Marxism encompasses an economic theory, a sociological theory, a philosophical method, and a revolutionary view of social change.[1]

There is no single definitive Marxist theory; Marxist analysis has been applied to diverse subjects and has been misconceived and modified during the course of its development, resulting in numerous and sometimes contradictory theories that fall under the rubric of Marxism or Marxian analysis.[2]

Marxism builds on a materialist understanding of societal development, taking as its starting point the necessary economic activities required to satisfy the material needs of human society. The form of economic organization or mode of production is understood to give rise to, or at least directly influences, most other social phenomena – including social relations, political and legal systems, morality and ideology. Thus, the economic system and social relations are called a base and superstructure. As the forces of production (most notably technology) improve, existing forms of social organization become inefficient and stifle further progress. These inefficiencies manifest themselves as social contradictions in the form of class struggle.[3]

According to Marxist analysis, class conflict within capitalism arises due to intensifying contradictions between highly productive mechanized and socialized production performed by the proletariat, and private ownership and appropriation of the surplus product in the form of surplus value (profit) by a small minority of private owners called the bourgeoisie. As the contradiction becomes apparent to the proletariat, social unrest between the two antagonistic classes intensifies, culminating in a social revolution. The eventual long-term outcome of this revolution would be the establishment of socialism – a socioeconomic system based on cooperative ownership of the means of production, distribution based on one's contribution, and production organized directly for use. Karl Marx hypothesized that, as the productive forces and technology continued to advance, socialism would eventually give way to a communist stage of social development. Communism would be a classless, stateless, humane society erected on common ownership and the principle of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

Marxism has developed into different branches and schools of thought. Different schools place a greater emphasis on certain aspects of classical Marxism while de-emphasizing or rejecting other aspects of Marxism, sometimes combining Marxist analysis with non-Marxian concepts. Some variants of Marxism primarily focus on one aspect of Marxism as the determining force in social development – such as the mode of production, class, power-relationships or property ownership – while arguing other aspects are less important or current research makes them irrelevant. Despite sharing similar premises, different schools of Marxism might reach contradictory conclusions from each other.[4] For instance, different Marxian economists have contradictory explanations of economic crisis and different predictions for the outcome of such crises. Furthermore, different variants of Marxism apply Marxist analysis to study different aspects of society (e.g. mass culture, economic crises, or feminism).[5]

These theoretical differences have led various socialist and communist parties and political movements to embrace different political strategies for attaining socialism and advocate different programs and policies from each other. One example of this is the division between revolutionary socialists and reformists that emerged in the German Social Democratic Party (SPD) during the early 20th century. Similarly, although the Bolsheviks of Russia declared Leninism and later Marxism–Leninism to be the only legitimate development of Marxism, the Mensheviks and many other social democrats worldwide considered them totalitarian deviations."

  One thing i do know is that this vague concept has not only empowered men of nations destroyed by economic chess.. to create the rebellions to turn their governements over to foreign powers and interests but also fueled the movements supporting things like the original post i made regarding minority races birthrates diminishing based on incarceration.. and the seemingly genetic program of the world order to lower crime by killing off what may have been or may not have been pure blood of ancient Gods or heros... Many a pantheon would not have existed to some extent if abortions were wide spread amongst certain populace.. again ima white german dude taught my whole life in school to be ashamed of my skin color.. my heritage.. my origin.. my pagan roots... in a inherently christian.. although now being diluted and destroyed.. Godless and fully indoctrinated society of drones.. who are taught to work.. breed in small numbers.. while accepting all of the mass immigration.. ridicule if christian.. (literally been laughed at for believing in Christ) violence... societal degragation... the entire time.. working.. employing.. building economy with no predjiduce or racist bone in my body.. whole thing is fucked..

 But why i like cryptos.. even though full of lies...  cheating.. tricks... financial and advertising wielding... there is still those who believe the technology and the freedom of the crypto user is the goal.. these are the hardcore programmers who are literally still in it.. because code is blind.. there is no marxism.. anarchism.. capitolism... racism... sexism... C dont give a fuck who you are..  Its all been built (post bitcoin sha-256 - totall nuther conversation) to ultimately free us as I believe is also your goal..

  Good conversations bro.  Me and you may be similar.. I will never profess entirely to know something without being given the chance to a better man to disprove my theories..  Which is exaclty what the core of the alt revolution is doing.  Without question.. trolls.. lol newbies who can even open an exe without a self extraction.. haha this whole game wouldnt exist..

 but overall.  fuck you. (in general to every prick who has poisoned this beatiful thing called cryptocurrency - not you dude) every single one of you that has preyed off the good hearts and weakness of men trying to free themselves from the money power and corporate curriculum we are all taught from preschool throughout university... the crypto game is as beautiful as it is ugly.. and im in the opinion.  Only us good fuckers will be left standing after the dust of bullshit has faded into the desert.  (-;
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April 06, 2015, 03:49:45 AM
Bottom line is the system that enables the most meritorious competition will win. It doesn't need and won't be a perfect system.

If you want to prosper the most, make sure you align yourself with that future.

Our inborn humanitarianism will come forth naturally from that prosperity.

Any one who wants to argue that the winning paradigm is moving to Asia and aligning with the shift in top-down finance to China between now and 2033, is not going to get a serious objection from me. I have suggested similarly.

I also think there is a parallel opportunity developing in the Knowledge Age, anonymous internet, and anonymous digital crypto-currency. I could be wrong about that, but my general predictions have all been coming to fruition.
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April 06, 2015, 03:46:56 AM
and likely true enough i have marxist tendancies as a good human being but same as the rest the ideals are fatally flawed so ya know.. ultimately.. id still be fighting for whatever side put the gun in my hand.. and said 'fight with us.  you're family will be spared.'
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April 06, 2015, 03:44:02 AM
arteleis, that lazy prick who claimed to be anarchist was a Marxist using anarchy as a diversion (cover) for the fact that he doesn't want to work and compete.

Analogously you are hiding your Marxist tendency behind all the love touchy-feeling fuzzball. Resources are acquired by working hard and competing (which is a form of love). In the Knowledge Age, those resources will be knowledge and thus a benefit to society. You are conflating this with those corrupt fuckers who got rich in the Industrial Age by forming oligarchies and colluding with the government regulators (e.g. the banks and TBTF, etc).

haha yeh he was a lazy prick.. haha My feeling was like dude... youre in a booth... preaching anarchy.. which isn't meant to be preached.. but dont have the patience or perhaps intelligence to explain the material you're preaching with your unscarred.. unscathed... perfect lil manicured lookin hands... while I paid 80 bux to see bands singing about freedooom.... while paying 5 bux for water they ran out of... whole thing was fucked..

  And yes.. Resources are acquired by working hard.. and competing even... but are not necessarily in the form of material wealth or assets... exactly.  As you say. Patience and intelligence; rather wisdom is a virtue when leaving the idea of resources being a financial gain behind.  For instance.  In a true anarchist society.  We are all in the bush.. We have all built our cabins.  Cut the trees down ourselves.  live in evergreen shelters while the logs dried.. and when building your cabin.. you don't have the knowledge how to build the sub floor or perhaps roof to keep from falling through or keep the rain from entering.. so you ask the neighbour closest.. who says.. yeh man.  no worries.. ill show you how i thatched the roof and although you could wait 9 months for you logs to dry.. i know a helicopter pilot that will drop your material for 12 grand.. all i ask is to use your crown land to grow some more weed, and help me with my current crops... this is what it should be like.. NOT

  Well man you're roof is gonna cost ya dude.. like all your vegetables you grow for the next 5 years.. also want your first daughters virginity.. probably gonna have to get you to give me half your fish.. and them large stones ya got everywhere? well can ya row them over to my place for a retaining wall?  If ya do this.. for sure.. Ill give ya supper tonite..

   Going back to the "Dont be a douchebag ya fucking prick" golden rule of anarchy.. haha really cant work with assholes and thered be no laws to stop folks from raping innocence for their power.. But yeh.. this whole fucking thing aint fair. cryptos are entrenched in tech beauty like metal gods picking up their guitars the first time and recording epic solos... but difference is.. the solo really doesnt matter... its value is determined by traders that never even heard it.  Whole thing is a crying shame.  Sorry suppose goin a bit off topic here.
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April 06, 2015, 03:42:00 AM
I added:

In Singapore they cane you if you don't conform, or even the death penalty for third degree murder (abuse the domestic helpers, feeding them worse than the house dog, then wonder why they snap). You give this much power to the State, and one day another Mao will rise when the economics of the State become intractable.
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April 06, 2015, 03:26:30 AM
Eric Raymond just removed all of these posts. Hahaha. The open source progenitor can't tolerate open source.

Write him off. He is an old man. He made his significant contribution and is respected for that.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6717#comment-1503160

PSEUDONYMITY: For other people, handles are a means of identity construction for one or multiple social roles. They wouldn't mind per-role reputation tracking but want the freedom to experiment without consequences to their meatspace identity. Unfortunately this can shade into...

HOOLIGANS: For still others, handles operate as a mechanism to enable or license antisocial behavior (this is predicted by Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory). The problem this raises is how to suppress HOOLIGANS while enabling ANONYMITY and PSEUDONYMITY.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6717#comment-1503163

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Eric note you unbanned me as of the Rifkin thread. Note that alleged "FUD" I was spouting in 2011, is coming to fruition.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6717#comment-1503164

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My vague recollection was that Eric and I were arguing about relevance of global author identities for VCS (and for me its implicit point about anonymity and pseudonyms), but I only find this and the following quote.

Quote from: ESR
Network-wide identities: Presently, Roundup identities are login-name/password pairs. It should move to being based on email addresses coupled with ssh and PGP keys – network-wide credentials the way DVCSes handle identity. The standalone justification for this is to reduce the number of credentials Roundup users need to manage.
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April 06, 2015, 03:13:27 AM
arteleis, that lazy prick who claimed to be anarchist was a Marxist using anarchy as a diversion (cover) for the fact that he doesn't want to work and compete.

Analogously you are hiding your Marxist tendency behind all the love touchy-feeling fuzzball. Resources are acquired by working hard and competing (which is a form of love). In the Knowledge Age, those resources will be knowledge and thus a benefit to society. You are conflating this with those corrupt fuckers who got rich in the Industrial Age by forming oligarchies and colluding with the government regulators (e.g. the banks and TBTF, etc).
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April 06, 2015, 03:09:10 AM
Everything is going to be fucked up pretty soon, including btc
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April 06, 2015, 03:07:51 AM
when i succeed in anarchism ill have a catamaran.. bush plane.. a few docks and a few cabins and cabanas.. all owned.  no banks attached.. its how ya get there is the question of anarchist or globalist ideals and the true meanings of each.
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April 06, 2015, 03:05:22 AM
Anarchism for me is not about total chaos. It simply means freedom to transact individually and individual choice, i.e. not granting a monopoly on force to someone I individually did not hire to do it for me.

Where there are conflicts in individual choice, then the person with more resources wins.

Oh yeh dude.. no pure anarchism is beautiful and has nothing to do with chaos.. dont think I said that..

  It as you said. "simply means freedom to transact individually and individual choice" but also is a prequel to anarchist society whereas there are clusters of leadership.. men will still be sheep no matter what their belief and even in anarchistic clusters.. there will still be a alpha running the lil cell..

  Gonna have to disagree with this "Where there are conflicts in individual choice, then the person with more resources wins." depending on your definition of resource.. if you're talking financial, influence, power etc i would have to disagree.. but if youre talking spirit, awareness, love then Id have to agree.  No anarchistic society could survive without this base understanding... lol "Hey man dont be a douchebag you fuckin prick" and then base no laws persay... but general understanding of punishment based on the douchebag rule.  would be a deadly world.


 I think the definition of anarchism is without government? I don't believe it is without leadership necessarily..  Always been that preachy anarchist fuck that told me I didnt know what the fuck I was doing by going to work everyday... What Im saying is.  With bitcoin.. altcoins.. freedom.. anarchy... globalism.. capitalism... socialism..  there is always an inherent centre.. in this game based on the trust of that damn developer... building fantastic technological marvels.. giving folks tools of anonymity to please the investors while users still login from their moms computers... lol and save all the convos... haha (reference to poor ol ulbricht)
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April 06, 2015, 02:55:54 AM
Anarchism for me is not about total chaos. It simply means freedom to transact individually and individual choice, i.e. not granting a monopoly on force to someone I individually did not hire to do it for me.

Where there are conflicts in individual choice, then the person with more competitive resources (e.g. knowledge capital in the Knowledge Age vs. monetary capital and political influence in the Industrial Age) wins.

As for a military, yes we will have to band together for that (or at least we did and I am not clear how technology might empower the individual on this), but I prefer a more temporary arrangement where I am free to change affiliations at-will, to prevent a DEEP STATE from becoming entrenched.

And agreed, that realism applies. We must operate within the world as it is, not in an anarchism that doesn't exist.

Also mea culpa my prior post was not humble to reflect the fact that there is no absolute anarchism nor absolute top-down collectivism. I am trying to promote solutions to balance out the fact that society has moved too far into top-down monopolies at this juncture. (sorry but my competitive adrenalin boils when I see people rejoice in top-down nirvana)
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April 06, 2015, 02:53:37 AM
throw a dog a bone.. he'll chew on it.. throw a rebel a war.. he'll fight it.. logic precedes all education in north america man. and is built directly in to the curriculum and the good ol tv guide lol
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April 06, 2015, 02:52:20 AM
Are the 'minority' populations decreasing because of corporate incarceration and reagans continued wars on drugs in the state a reality to increase equality movements against the popluace that created the country? even threw a bunch of tea in the ocean and had a big ol war to prove their independence?  dont think so.. they all did exactly as they were planned to... the tea taxes are much worse then they were back then lol
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April 06, 2015, 02:48:45 AM
arteleis,

Even if you filtered the society to raise IQ, you would shift the bell curve, but not change it to a uniform distribution. Thus you would not improve anything. There would still be high IQ Marxists like yourself and CoinCube to fuck everything up. Any anarchists like me to clean up your messes.

Friend i am not anything.  But pride myself in logic.  Definitely not a marxist.. would even consider myself a nationalist.. even in the absence of a ruler in canada to believe in.. I work hard.. pay tons of taxes.. and know the corporate system the world has employed in global trade and corporate rule... true rebels learn the law and keep their mouth shut.. while others who step toe to toe with the crown will be buried and martyred without religious definition.. a tax evader.. or protester.. is not a religious rite.. it is a rite of stupidity and brainwashing the entire system baths us in to believe and follow while we type on the google.. gmail our gmails... take for granted the tax laws given online.. without reading the 3000+ pages of global tax law..


  Marxist friend. Fuck no.  Socialist.. Definitely to an extent.. nationalist? Well not enough to vote between clowns..

  Anarchy.. well fantastic.. but guaranteed the current corporate system which has become larger then the human rights system pervading it... it a much more intelligent thing to learn... i remember being at an anarchist tent at warped fest... bands everywhere preaching of doing good.. saving the earth... fuck the man... and I asked the fucker..  SO why are you here.. He pointed at some of his books.. I said.  "fuck off man.. tell me why you're here" he pointed at more books.. I said seriously fuck you dude... DO you have any idea how many canadian soldiers died for you to have this booth?? Do you have any idea... in the meantime.. concert goers had run out of 5 dollar bottles of water and waited for water trucks before the corps came to pick up the waste to recycle them for no good cause other then bros trying to make money in a capitalist socitey.. and all the power to them.. God Save the Queen.  Right? Or Wrong. 

  Is cryptocurrency an anarchist movement?  Or is the only true anarchism lie in the ability to truely understand law and pay lawyers a middle finger because you read the books yourself?  Is a tough question. 
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April 06, 2015, 02:38:44 AM
arteleis,

Even if you filtered the society to raise IQ, you would shift the bell curve, but not change it to a uniform distribution. Thus you would not improve anything. There would still be high IQ Marxists (i.e. top-down planners) like yourself and CoinCube to fuck everything up in top-down, morass "nirvanas". Any anarchists like me to decentralize to clean up your messes.
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April 06, 2015, 02:36:01 AM
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April 06, 2015, 02:30:44 AM
CoinCube, one of the reasons you hate anonymity is because it levels the playing field such that Max Weber's canonical definition of government ceases, i.e. the government is the only entity with a monopoly on the use of force.

Anonymity forces individuals to decentrally protect themselves, rather than rely on giving a monopoly of force to the State.

Throughout all recorded history, that monopoly has always been corrupted and abused.

Suddenly Singapore will change everything. Roll Eyes
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