Topic: Economic Implications of War on Individuals - page 11. (Read 3331 times)

I don't fully understand this. But in my current environment as a village person here, most of us grow crops (farming) even though prices are always changing and even not selling well in the market, at least we and our families can eat it and even share it with local residents who want to take it. So if it is possible to make money and even save money, we do it. And if not, at least we can utilize it. (All we do with makeshift facilities, and many alternatives that we use)

1. The only country that is built on total lies is your Russia ! So don't attribute your problems to me
It is enough to listen to the OFFICIAL channels. For example yesterday these Russian cesspool mouths told you that it was not peaceful Ukrainian cities that were shelled, but "decision making facilities".  These "objects" include an apartment building in Odessa, a warehouse of a retail chain in Kiev, a shopping center in Dnipro, a maternity hospital in Zaporozhye.... Russia is ONE FALSE ! that's why you are hysterically afraid of the TRUTH !
2. You see - you lie again ! You can live on Mars, but you are a Russian Being a Russian is not about geography, it is a mental deviation when you live lies, anti-human values, rejoice in murder and war, support bastard bloody regimes !
3. Oh, I found something to "pick on". Well translated the wrong word, English is not my native language. You tell me in essence - how is there "minor damage" ?
4. Yes, i.e. 2 (two) missiles are an unacceptable load for "the most protected and impregnable region of Russia" (according to Putin, an international criminal). And here, too, you can feel that someone is lying - either Putin, or you, or both of you
By the way, there were a lot of conscripts on this ship (and Putin as always honestly said that conscripts will not serve in combat units), and now there is a wild hysteria in Russia, trying to hide the information on the number of victims on this ship. Parents of the victims are told that "everything is fine, everyone is alive and on duty".
5. So far Russians are winning only a war against themselves - poverty degradation, economic collapse, the status of despicable outcasts of this world, death, disease, moral decay ....

Well, let's see how you follow your own recommendations. Write, Marinka has been captured by the Russians, and Avdeevka and Raboche/Verbovo in the south are in the process of being recaptured? Where is the link to authoritative sources, otherwise I have a little different information? Which countries’ sources are generally authoritative for you? What about European countries, England, USA? Or maybe we will now consider as trustworthy what is written in Iran, North Korea, and African countries?

Do you find my statements that Russia has already lost about a million of its soldiers and officers killed and wounded funny? What do you think are the real losses in Russia?

    When people keep promoting war, it's always funny because they really do not know what the entirety of the country would face if such happens. There are lot of adverse effects of war in a country and it really does affect the economy greatly. When there's way, the whole revenue generation would cease, everyone would be made to survive on management and making do with the resources they're able to keep secured during the period of the war which would in no time get exhausted.
    Even the after effect of the war would be bad because now, the nation would have to start all over again and then it'll take them longer time to get to a more balanced stand before being able to forge ahead fully into survival. It’s is easier to destroy but had to build, bouncing back is really a slow ride  it might take years and years to be fit. War as never had any benefit to the people, but rather a mass of destruction.

I think the economic situation worsens when war breaks out. Now, I am not someone who has experienced a war situation even in a radius of five hundred miles or maybe more but we always keep the news updated and that makes us think that is one hell of an experience. No one can deny the fact that life collapses right in front of our eyes. I mean come on I can't even imagine what to do if my routine is disturbed completely. No schools for kids, where to work, what about the job, the banks and my savings, etc. What happens to that? Considering the fact that the government itself has collapsed, they can't even help me get on my feet so how one can imagine our own life getting back on track anytime soon? Even if it does, it would take me ages to stand back. It's really horrible to digest how it can break down someone from the inside out. Seriously damaging for sure. So whatever economics plays, it's definitely going to be disturbed, and won't be the same. 

Yes, it most definitely is winning! Ukraine has lost momentum and they are losing atm. Lysychansk, Severodonetsk, Maryinka have been captured by Russians, Avdiivka and Rabotyne/Verbove in the South are in the process of being recaptured too. But the most important thing - Ukraine suffers huge losses, it's army will soon become combat incapable. There is a huge lack of shells, artillery systems, APCs etc. EU/US support had been exhausted.

What? You are not my opponent. You are a lying troll and will be treated as such. I will give you a few hints on what you should do to stop being a troll and gain some respect:
1. Stop lying. Claims like Russia has lost a million troops since the start of this war are hilarious. Putin is dead is even more laughable. Stop it.
2. Always provide reputable sources to the info you post. If you're saying that "Putin leaked some info on Russian losses" always mention a source with a working link to a reputable source. Ukrainian media is NOT a reputable source during the war. Neither is Russian media. You shouldn't use such media as sources.
3. Stop derailing threads.
4. Stop avoiding/ignoring valid facts presented by other users.

This is just a short list from the top of my head I'm sure there are more points. But start doing it, you will feel the difference, I swear.   

Let's turn to stubborn facts. On February 24, 2022, eight Russian armies, supported by thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, attacked Ukrainian territory from the north, east and south. The approximate number of occupation troops was about 250 thousand people. They were given the task of arriving near Kyiv in the first half of the same day, and the calculation was to capture Ukraine in three to five days, using the fact of the demonstrative power of the invading occupiers. The threat was indeed great and this was and is recognized in Kyiv. Russian troops landed at the Gostomel airfield near Kiev, and separate groups penetrated into Kyiv itself. Therefore, in addition to the army, the people themselves rose up to fight the occupiers. In Kyiv alone, over 20 thousand machine guns and other weapons were distributed to the population. So what's the result?

Just two months later, in April, the badly battered units of the ROV (Russian occupation army) were forced to flee from the central and northern parts of Ukraine, and since then this territory has remained under the control of Ukraine.

Next, we read on Wikipedia, so that there is no accusation that I am making something up:
“Having concentrated the necessary forces north of Balakleya, Kharkov region, Ukrainian troops went on the offensive in the directions of Balakleya - Volokhov Yar - Shevchenkovo - Kupyansk and in the east of Balakleya, in the areas of Savintsy, Kunye and so on.
On September 11, five days after the start of the counteroffensive, the Russian Ministry of Defense published a map as part of its daily update, according to which Russian troops had lost control over 8,370 square kilometers of the Kharkov region. The front began to pass along the Oskol River and the state Russian-Ukrainian border in the Kharkov region. An attempt by the Russian Armed Forces to organize a new line of defense along the Oskol and Seversky Donets rivers did not lead to success: by the end of September, the Armed Forces of Ukraine established a number of bridgeheads on the other bank of both rivers and developed an offensive in the direction of the Lugansk region...
The defeat of the Russian army near Kharkov led to a radical change in Russian strategy. The Russian Armed Forces have long lacked the resources for successful operations in Ukraine. After the Ukrainian counter-offensive, it became obvious that the Russian Armed Forces were not even able to maintain a passive defense."
It should be added that during the counter-offensive, the Ukrainian Armed Forces captured as many Russian armored vehicles as Ukraine did not receive from all its allies in providing military assistance to it.

Next, we turn again to Wikipedia:
“On November 11, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, during their counter-offensive, regained control over Kherson. On the same day, the Russian army announced the withdrawal of its forces from the right bank of the Dnieper. At the same time, the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov stated that the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kherson “will not change the status of the Kherson region,” the annexation of which was previously announced by the Russian authorities.The Russian authorities announced Genichesk as the temporary administrative capital of the occupied part of the Kherson region.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Now the Ukrainian Armed Forces have captured several bridgeheads already on the left bank of the Dnieper, which the Russians clearly did not expect, and with their fire they control the entire left bank of Ukraine, right up to the Sea of Azov.
After the Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed the large landing ship Novocherkassk in the port on December 25 in Feodosia, that is, in the southern part of the occupied Crimean peninsula, the occupiers are withdrawing the remnants of their Black Sea Fleet from Crimea because they do not feel safe there.

What conclusion can we draw from this? Is Russia still winning?

And I would advise Serveria.com to be more tolerant of your opponents and not call them idiots and other bad words. Typically this method is used when there are not enough arguments.


   

I understand your frustrations about the war and its consequences and you are right you highlight the important and core results after the end of the war. War is a very aggressive tragedy that occurs and not only one side but also but side suffers the Same to you  consequences. This just not only affects things at that time after several years it's consequences are lasting. The economy of the world goes down and inflation rate increases the supply of things decreases and the value of currency also decreases. War at the time when occurring will only affect those persons or things that come at that place but after the war the economy destroys the backbone, causing child death and many other things. I think those who are stupid and still live in the 17s or 16s will go to war in this advanced era...

There have always been wars in the world, this is a constantly repeated situation, I do not support any war, I hope innocent people do not die in wars. There have always been wars in the world. At that time, we should look at the behavior of people. We should learn from the past, for example, during the war years, gold generally increased, and you can leave the currency of your country and invest in limited minerals or digital ones. Usually, one job is not enough for any person in today's conditions, so there should always be a second job plan, otherwise it will be very difficult to get out of it. In the environment factor, there should be people around you that you can trust during an important war.

The thing is that it doesn't. Hardly anyone else except these two pathetic desperate Ukrainian trolls colonel Argoo and general DrBeer believe in their nonsense. Every single word of what these two bozos are posting is a lie.

Bingo!

War is inevitable. It gives you limited time to plan. When I think of war, the only thing that comes to mind is the loss of lives and property. When war sets in, you won't even have the mind to think of business, the only thing that comes to mind is how to gather your loved ones to safety.

War has a negative impact on youths and kids who survive it. Most youths are killed, some lose their properties, their wives are been kidnapped, and children go missing. Is a terrible experience that stays in the minds of many, never to forget. No one can offer the best advice to heed during the war except someone who has experienced it.

even in this forum the propaganda still works and people believe Russia is losing. they already have a huge territory of Ukraine. that's the truth as much as we want to punish Putin, he is winning but let's just say this guy is also fighting for the good of his country/people while the West is also fighting for the good of their people.

it's not bad versus evil. there is nothing such as that. every side is protecting its interests.

The loss, or rather the reputational loss of russia's military-industrial complex is one of the biggest problems of the economy. In addition to the lost oil and gas market, where Russia is trying its best to sell these resources for pennies to anyone, the military-industrial complex was actually the third largest in terms of currency turnover, which filled the Russian budget.
And I have a feeling that more money was invested in advertising the products of the military-industrial complex than in the products of the military-industrial complex themselves. The advertised air defense systems, airplanes, tanks looked "unparalleled" exactly until they "proved themselves" in Ukraine. Then it turned out that tanks are ordinary and built on the basis of old Soviet designs, airplanes fly only for shows, and air defense misses ancient Western missiles. And this was immediately reflected by a drop in interest in Russia's fake military-industrial complex, lack of new contracts, and refusal of joint projects. At the same time, Russia "with its own hands" promoted Western weapons, for which "unparalleled tanks" are an easy target, missiles from the 70s easily bypass "unavailable to Western armies" air defenses.... And this process is not reversible

The Ukrainian Defense Forces attacked the Novocherkassk landing ship in the occupied port of Feodosia with two British-French Storm Shadow/SCALP cruise missiles. The port of Feodosia is protected by several S-400 Triumph divisions of the 31st Air Defense Division of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which recently discovered problems with target identification. This time, the S-400 missed two cruise missiles, which were launched from aircraft over the territory of Ukraine and in order to reach Feodosia they had to fly at least 250 km. across the occupied territory of Ukraine. I don’t think that after such incidents, Russian S-400s will be bought by other countries on the international market.

Not surprised you feel like that. After all that amount of lies and propaganda around you.

As I have already told you many times: I'm not Russian, I don't live in Russia and I have never even visited Russia in my life. Moreover, I'm not rooting for Russia in this war. I'm just being realistic: Ukraine can't win this war. As to you, being retarded won't help you to avoid the frontline as AFU are now recruiting retarded people so chances are, you will soon receive a one-way ticket to Donbas. Btw, why are not there yet? You are not patriotic enough?

What in the world is "big airborne ship"? Can it fly? Tell me more about this magic ship... 

As to the rest of your comment, no anti-missile defence system is 100% secure. AFU used the tactics Hamas employed against Israel - they shoot as many missiles, drones and shells as they can, overloading the anti-aircraft systems and then they shoot guided rockets which hit the target while the anti-missiles systems are reloading. But no surprise the person with a room temperature IQ is not aware of this tactics. 

I have no idea, just can tell you that Russians are going to win this war with or without eggs. Btw, I'm not sure why are you so worried about Putin's balls?

I feel like I went on a trip to a madhouse, where they show the most mentally ill patients

And the manifestations are just like in scientific literature on psychiatry - ethereal heroes, fabulous achievements, diametrically opposite statements literally in the "next sentence" ... This also happens from the action of heavy hallucinogenic drugs or drugs that disrupt the worldview. So it is not clear what happened to the author of this nonsense, and what would be a better diagnosis for him !??  

PS I have an assumption that the author still deliberately behaves this way to show himself incompetent and to avoid Putin's collection of expendables all over Russia. After all, Putin said that "there will be no mobilization", and based on the known history, it means one thing - there will be and necessarily  

Although only the mentally damaged and go to realize the painful complexes of the pathetic Fuhrer of Russia

How is the "Big Airborne Ship Novocherkassk" doing? ? I understand everything is fine there - after all it is located in "the most protected region of Russia", as Putin did not lie again ?! And it is protected by "unparalleled, advanced, unavailable to the West, Russian weapons"  

PS and on the topic - what’s the situation with eggs? Is Putin holding his balls until the elections? Is Kazakhstan feeding “Great Russia”?

Why would he want to stop this war if he's winning it?

I think we have already come to a conclusion that there are no or very few mobilized troops in Ukraine. Mostly volunteers and professional army.

According to whom? AFU sources? You really expect them to report correct numbers? You must be out of your mind then, colonel. I remember you wrote here on this forum that Russia has lost more than a million already. And AFU losses? Still 0, right? That's why Ukraine has signed that new recruitment law? 

Again, according to whom? What are the sources? Ukrainian military? I'm sure that Russians have that many armaments in total, let alone in Ukraine.

To run out of what? A significant part of 150million is how many people? 

I'm sure any victim of western propaganda dreams of it. Not gonna happen. In 2024 we are going to see: Trump getting elected as the US president, Ukraine runs out of cannon fodder and NATO help and surrenders (or gets destroyed completely). 

Putin cannot stop the war in Ukraine and withdraw his troops from there for the reason that then he will immediately lose authority both among the elite and ordinary citizens of Russia and, most likely, will be removed or killed. Therefore, already fighting for his life, he will send more and more thousands of mobilized people into the furnace of war. But the mobilized citizens of Russia are not mindless cattle that can be sent to slaughter for a long time. Now, during active assaults on Ukrainian positions, over a thousand Russian occupiers die every day.

After the invasion in February 2022, Russia, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has already lost more than 356,000 of its soldiers and officers, 5,940 tanks, 11,025 armored vehicles, 329 aircraft, 324 helicopters, 8,391 artillery systems, 945 MLRS, 617 air defense systems, 23 ships and boats , as well as other military equipment.

  Russia has a lot of resources, but they also tend to run out. Instead of improving the quality of life in its country, Russia now produces weapons in three shifts, which are destroyed in the war, and the citizens of the country only become poorer, a significant part of them die at the front in Ukraine. Putin can be stopped by food and bloody riots or mass unrest in the regions with the aim of separating from the central government of the Kremlin and creating independent republics. We will be able to see all this already next year, 2024.

Rationality becoming unimportant is the trouble, we should not be really considering it like that at all, it should not even be remotely a question where we would leave rationality and common sense aside but for some reason we do, and that's the biggest trouble. When you throw rationality and common sense out of the window, there is really nothing that you can't do, people act like cornered animals when in fact they could just stand down and everything will be fine.

The fact of "lets stop" being a "weak political move" is the reason why it's such a trouble. Like can you even imagine Putin going out and saying "ok the war is over, we are going back"? We all know that won't happen, it is impossible, it is not going to happen, and that's the biggest trouble. I have to say it is not going to be an issue and it is going to be a trouble for anyone. I think the best thing to do in this case would be just making sure that we get rid of this situation with as minimal damage as we possible could.

We recognize the discrepancy between reason and wartime political elite behavior. Power plays rule this theater, where rationality is secondary. Wars, historically and today, are chess games for political elites that leave society in disarray. In their strategic bubbles, decision-makers occasionally miss reality. We must admit that wars are usually fought for power, territory, or ideology, not the people. This blatant disregard for social well-being is a strategic disaster

In the ruthless world of global politics, trust and strong relationships are idealistic. World where allegiances fluctuate like sand dunes. We must constantly question. Why? Diplomacy conceals underlying goals and power rivalries. Trust is fragile and sometimes traded for geopolitical strategy. We may be spectators in this big geopolitical theater, but we must be intelligent, informed, and critical of the narratives presented to us. Peace and rationality come from informed skepticism and continuous questioning of authority