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sr. member
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July 23, 2015, 01:00:23 PM
Edit: also this thread is not a circle-jerk. I read anything posted that is relevant to the stipulation in the opening post as to the point of this thread. And I reply to such posts only if I feel I can add something of value. Perhaps what you sense is that I tend to have a lot of synergy in threads started by United States citizens, e.g. OROBTC and CoinCube. Perhaps I should name my new coin "Eaglecoin" or just "Eagle" (American Eagle for freedom and for founding father American ideas).


You obviously have no interest in the topic you chose and have not put forth one iota of energy in that direction...

Dude several times I've mentioned that my head is deep in/on programming the solutions we need to survive this coming totalitarianism. I don't have time for the philosophical tangents. OROBTC wrote in the opening post that this thread was to be more about enumerating the threats and offering solutions, and not another theoretical thread for which we already have the Economic Devastation thread. OROBTC has tried to reiterate that with his recent posts, but he is too nice to tell you bluntly so I have to do it.

The issue here is you guys have huge egos and need to find something to do with your idle time. Whereas, I have vitally important work to do and not enough time to do it.

I am so fucking tired of battling egos. Can't anyone code? I see you guys as useless to the cause.

You think XMR is the solution and you can just sit back and collect the rewards for which you did nothing from your armchair but waste the time of those who are coding. You have a big lesson coming.

I have also learned in my recent search for a programmer and mathematician for collaboration, that this armchair, non-cooperative attitude seems to be a trait of Europeans. I will quote from Eric S Raymond the high genuis progenitor of the term "open source":

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901

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The German: Methodical, good at details, prone to over-engineering things, careful about tests. Territorial: as a project lead, can get mightily offended if you propose to mess with his orderly orderliness. Good at planned architecture too, but doesn’t deal with novelty well and is easily disoriented by rapidly changing requirements. Rude when cornered. Often wants to run things; just as often it’s unwise to let him.

The Russian: A morose, wizardly loner. Capable of pulling amazing feats of algorithmic complexity and how-did-he-spot that debugging out of nowhere. Mathematically literate. Uncommunicative and relatively poor at cooperating with others, but more from obliviousness than obnoxiousness. Has recent war stories about using equipment that has been obsolete in the West for decades.

I have observed both of those descriptions in spades in my search for collaborative help. Also others of them are so busy on traveling and vacation, they reply once disappear and reply again after another week with a "sorry". Cripes and they think that is tolerable? I heard about the socialism over there in Europe with 35 hour work weeks and 2 months paid vacation. Europe will collapse!

Interviewing some candidates (especially one senior one) from the United Socialist States of Unamerica has been a breath of fresh air. They are articulate, results oriented, flexible, communicative, friendly, upbeat, and understand the "small team" and work hard ethos. The cultural divide is significant.

Also there appears to be a significant divide for those youngsters with a college education. University is apparently destroying the attitude (minds) of the youth.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
July 23, 2015, 09:45:24 AM

You are entirely missing the point.

Value is not a homomorphism to spacetime. Value is a diverse (n-dimensional) fitness landscape (entropy) where the relationship to time and space is such that they are not just dilated but not even structurally preserved.

Sheesh this is above your paygrade apparently? Or maybe just a math fact you haven't contemplated.

Be that as it may, this thread is nothing more than your own little circle jerk. You obviously have no interest in the topic you chose and have not put forth one iota of energy in that direction as a matter of fact you are intentionally sending any argument to change the status quo off into a tangent. I recommend you change the topic to Mental Masturbation with a emphasis on detrimental physics.
legendary
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July 23, 2015, 06:56:09 AM
This was just an idea, the battle should be taken to the streets. Micro payments where the everyday food  is purchased, getting crypto unpegged from the internet plus anon tech is the way.

Is it possible?

Cross post:

It is time where we unpeg bitcoin/crypto currencies from the internet for micro payments, for purchasing like bread, meat etc.

A device, with red light, blue light and green light

Red light(unpegged) - for soda,bread, meat etc..the store BTC device confirms ( 1 confirmation)

Blue light(unpegged) - the store device is connected to other store device but not connected to the internet ( more confirmations)
 
Green light (connected to internet) - for big purchases like buying a car, equipments etc.



Physical coins can be verified too through a scanning mechanism like barcode scanner


Unpegged devices from time to time shoud be updated through the internet so it can recognize newly mined coins


There  should be a blockchain hash verification system (just like torrents) for a certain update date.
 
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
July 22, 2015, 11:57:48 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if articles like this are used to motivate the masses towards more austere tax measures.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-18944097

"Can't have those Richy Rich's not paying their fair share--"  Angry

Here's a development:

https://www.dailydot.com/politics/hornet-tor-anonymity-network/

legendary
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July 22, 2015, 11:27:53 PM
The discussion in the comments between Rex Kerr and myself, on my philosophical claim that morality = self-interest is interesting (at least to me) and I think very relevant to the totalitarianism we are facing:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/1597/is-it-immoral-to-download-music-illegally/25125#25125

It is acutely relevant because most people are so attuned to subjugating their "self-interest" to the greater good of society, that they are destroying society. And those who have the talent to actually work on the actual self-interest and save society (such as Rex Kerr who is a talented programmer apparently) will not use their talent for such because they think it is immoral.

It will only be after the SHTF and society perishes, that they realize their mistake. But that will be much too late for us. I can't find a programmer other than myself who thinks there is any urgency. Looks like I have to code it all by myself. Ridiculous. The world is facing a Dark Age collapse into totalitarianism and we have guys here masturbating with philosophical mumbo-jumbo and then others who get the epistemological arguments wrong and thus misapply their talents.

 Cry  Cry  Cry (fucking ridiculous, but should be expected and the rewards go to the wise)



Epistemological Rationality

Of course until the tide goes out, we won't know who wasn't wearing underwear. So many Europeans think "wonderful life" is the norm. They have been raised in collectivism and have never experience total collapse.

The reality is the total collapse comes around about every 79 years or so, and Dark Age collapse comes about every 309 years, and we are right on time on both of those cycles which have been backtested to Mesopotamia by a supercomputer which was fed $100 million (in 1980s dollars thus $1 billion now) or vast historical data.

Problem is most people can't be rational even though they think they are because they are incapable of basing on data. Without looking at history, there can be no rationality.

Also it is important to have clear thinking and articulation about epistemological taxonomy:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/1247/are-different-values-of-nothing-equivalent/25124#25124

Have you ever read (or heard) Nick Land's Meltdown? In it he mentions a cycle of dates:

"Converging upon terrestrial meltdown singularity, phase-out culture accelerates through its digitech-heated adaptive landscape, passing through compression thresholds normed to an intensive logistic curve: 1500, 1756, 1884, 1948, 1980, 1996, 2004, 2008, 2010, 2011 …

Nothing human makes it out of the near-future."

Do the cycles accelerate? I never knew for sure if his dates where random for effect or taken from actual data.... He disappeared from public , so no way to ask him.  Lips sealed
sr. member
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July 22, 2015, 10:04:18 PM
Do not feed the troll.

Forsooth, to discuss the matter would be to resolve it, and, then, what would await us when we return to the abyss?
sr. member
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July 22, 2015, 10:00:47 PM
I see the troll has no work to do and wants to consume the time of those who do by introducing more verbiage intended to incite egos.

I decline.

You make claims and, then, decline to support them? For what, in light of that, have you posed these claims?


Quote from: Epicurus (341‒270 BCE)
I have never wished to cater to the crowd; for what I know they do not approve, and what they approve I do not know.
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July 22, 2015, 09:57:40 PM
I see the troll has no work to do and wants to consume the time of those who do by introducing more verbiage intended to incite egos.

I decline. I suggest you do too, unless you want to demonstrate that you do not have enough real work to do.
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July 22, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
if you are caught in a singularity between the moment of death and life, does epi's distinction matter to you--the one caught?
(Blue colorization mine.)


Quote from: Ahmed Farag Ali, Saurya Das. “Cosmology from Quantum Potential.” _Physics Letters B_ 741 (2015): 276-279. 277. 04 Apr. 2015.
[…] Note that these additional terms are not ad hoc or hypothetical, but rather an unavoidable consequence of a quantum description of the contents of our universe. Also, since it is well known that Bohmian trajectories do not cross [19,20], it follows that even when 𝜃 (or ȧ) → −∞ , the actual trajectories (as opposed to geodesics) do not converge, and there is no counterpart of geodesic incompleteness, or the classical singularity theorems, and singularities such as big bang or big crunch are in fact avoided. This view is also supported by the quantum corrected geodesic deviation equation derived in [10], which suggested that trajectories can never actually access infinite curvatures. ⁴
(Red colorization mine.)
(Date and hyperlink documentation altered. Blue colorization added.)

In postmodern Epicureanism, the atomism of classical Epicureanism is replaced by "cutting edge" quantum mechanics.
sr. member
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July 22, 2015, 09:38:40 PM
I will not respond anymore as this is way OT. PM me if you want.

(For your attempt at the opportunistic preemption of this discussion, you have conceded my points. [You would not have had you not affixed your notice to a rebuttal.])
sr. member
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July 22, 2015, 09:33:11 PM
Where is boundary on your entropy from which you can enumerate a space?

Your answer is your illusion.

What is it to "enumerate a space" (TPTB_need_war)? The cardinality of the set of all real numbers is Aleph-1 - uncountably infinite. Any continuous, nonzero displacement consists of (at least, in the context of Euclidean spaces) uncountably infinite, zero-dimensional points (i.e., 0-spaces). That those points correspond to a particular distance is only for the establishment of a particular line segment as the multiplicative identity of position within the (again, Euclidean) space.

(Do you - that one having made, and continuing to support, a claim about all spaces - care to elaborate on the relevance of your assertion to the Hilbert space - a space?)
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July 22, 2015, 08:41:54 PM
The discussion in the comments between Rex Kerr and myself, on my philosophical claim that morality = self-interest is interesting (at least to me) and I think very relevant to the totalitarianism we are facing:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/1597/is-it-immoral-to-download-music-illegally/25125#25125

It is acutely relevant because most people are so attuned to subjugating their "self-interest" to the greater good of society, that they are destroying society. And those who have the talent to actually work on the actual self-interest and save society (such as Rex Kerr who is a talented programmer apparently) will not use their talent for such because they think it is immoral.

It will only be after the SHTF and society perishes, that they realize their mistake. But that will be much too late for us. I can't find a programmer other than myself who thinks there is any urgency. Looks like I have to code it all by myself. Ridiculous. The world is facing a Dark Age collapse into totalitarianism and we have guys here masturbating with philosophical mumbo-jumbo and then others who get the epistemological arguments wrong and thus misapply their talents.

 Cry  Cry  Cry (fucking ridiculous, but should be expected and the rewards go to the wise)



Epistemological Rationality

Of course until the tide goes out, we won't know who wasn't wearing underwear. So many Europeans think "wonderful life" is the norm. They have been raised in collectivism and have never experience total collapse.

The reality is the total collapse comes around about every 79 years or so, and Dark Age collapse comes about every 309 years, and we are right on time on both of those cycles which have been backtested to Mesopotamia by a supercomputer which was fed $100 million (in 1980s dollars thus $1 billion now) or vast historical data.

Problem is most people can't be rational even though they think they are because they are incapable of basing on data. Without looking at history, there can be no rationality.

Also it is important to have clear thinking and articulation about epistemological taxonomy:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/1247/are-different-values-of-nothing-equivalent/25124#25124
legendary
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July 22, 2015, 06:14:40 PM
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OK, but Einstein was, well, Einstein.  I am just trying to protect my little behunky in the turbulent times to come, and to try to carry what is possible through time for our kid's benefit (or grandchild's). 

"Grandchildren, the genetic payoff."  (author unknown)

All those nasty looking integrals give me the willies...  Or my eyes cloud up, strictly the body's defense you know, can't do anything about it.
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July 22, 2015, 05:10:40 PM
When the topic get so O/T and is full of obscure words that only philosophy majors know, I just allow my eyes to cloud over while reading them, and let my mind drift.

We are talking about the fact that no one could see everything in the universe (and not even on earth) in real-time, because the speed-of-light would need to be infinite (because even the transmission of the signal about what was happening away from you would need to be instantaneous).

But if the speed-of-light was infinite, past and present and future would be the same thing (would not be distinct).

Thus space-time (friction) is an illusion we require, else we would not exist.

You see Einstein wasn't lying when he said death is but merely a convincing illusion (because the choice of boundary on entropy is arbitrary...and the other choices are in those black holes where past, present, and future collapsed into nothing from the frame-of-reference of our space-time choice...thus the definition of the soul is arbitrary and by definition can't be falsifiable).
sr. member
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July 22, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
Space-time refers to a 4D space. Entropy knows no such limit in dimension. It is dimensionless and occupies all dimensions simultaneously. Choose your illusion (space) frame-of-reference.







Do you care to elaborate on the nature of (your) "[e]ntropy" (TPTB_need_war) as it exists to a Hilbert space (which is the space of this universe as it is modelled in "Cosmology from Quantum Potential")?

Where is boundary on your entropy from which you can enumerate a space?

Your answer is your illusion.
legendary
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July 22, 2015, 04:34:27 PM
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generalize, username, TPTB

When the topic get so O/T and is full of obscure words that only philosophy majors know, I just allow my eyes to cloud over while reading them, and let my mind drift.

Sort of a cheap way to get a little rest around here.  Smiley
legendary
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July 22, 2015, 04:28:57 PM
And so is [Epicurus'] theory on death.  Roll Eyes Maybe when there is more science on death we'll know. Maybe.

Epicurus found that one dead does not, in any perceptible way, exist. You found that one can claim it does without any evidence thereof.

if you are caught in a singularity between the moment of death and life, does epi's distinction matter to you--the one caught? He was observing the animate and the inanimate without any knowledge of time varying states or quantum states. I once experienced first hand a time sense shift when I had a syrian rue overdose and seconds seemed to last minutes and hours days--pretty fucking horrible--i imagine death can gum up the works worse when it is taking hold--but I don't have first hand knowledge and don't know anyone who has come back from the dead--maybe I'll ask jesus if epi was correct.

Both epi and my own theory will have to be kept in the un-provable collection bin until we know more about the brain and death. I will not respond anymore as this is way OT. PM me if you want.
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July 22, 2015, 04:23:24 PM
4a) Ideas that EACH of us might be able to do to defend ourselves from abusive .gov trying to take ever-more of our hard-earned money...

A person was arrested and his Bitcoins taken for buying and selling Bitcoins (could've been any of us), the charges were later dropped, but the confiscated funds won't be returned. The lesson to be learned is to not store your passwords anywhere else but your head (or at least not in any place you own or regularly visit), and employ plausible deniability:

On the day I was arrested at my client's office in front of my client and all my co-workers they did not have to tell me why I was being arrested - sealed arrest warrant.
That same day they searched our house and did not have to tell us what they were looking for - sealed search warrant.
After being arrested in front of my client, which was a nice touch as they immediately terminated our contract, they took me to our house.  I was taken aback by the number of cars so I made a point of counting them, 22.
The neighbors who watch the whole thing but failed to take any video (darn) counted up to 35 agents involved in the search.
They were very thorough even searching the entire attic and crawl space, every book, etc.  It took my wife weeks to get the house put back together.  Imagine up to 35 people searching you house for hours, they had the manpower and time to search just about everywhere.
During the search they got into my safe containing all of my physical Bitcoins and other Bitcoin related stuff.
Since I was not doing anything wrong I never expected to be shaken down in this way. 
My security threat profile was common burglary and my main concern was making sure my wife would be able to sell the Bitcoins in the event of my death.  So, the the vast majority of my Bitcoins were kept in a Trezor Bitcoin safe with the seed words kept off-site.
After searching my house for many hours and not finding what they were looking for, but taking every computer and electronic memory device they could get their hands on, they phoned in a search warrant for my office, which was granted.
Upon searching my office they found my off-site paper backup of the seed words for the Trezor which were there with retrieval instruction in the case of my death.  They took all of our corporate computers and left.
The rest is, as they say, history.

Food for thought:  my attorney informed me that they can and sometime do put people in jail until they turn over a password.  So in reality your passwords are only as safe as your willingness to spend time in jail over them.  After spending 3 days and 2 nights in solitary confinement (in the SHU at the federal detention center) I can tell you that most people will crack in pretty short order.  It boring beyond comprehension.

Part of the total cost shown on my wife's web site ($284,373.00) was the cost of replacing all of the computers and cell phones we needed in order for our business to keep operating.  Of course once we get all the computers back we will then have more computers and phones than we know what to do with.  Anyone want to buy a used computer that was under government control for nine months?
sr. member
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July 22, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
And so is [Epicurus'] theory on death.  Roll Eyes Maybe when there is more science on death we'll know. Maybe.

Epicurus found that the "oneself" of one now dead does not, in any perceptible way, exist. You found that another can claim it does without any evidence thereof.


Can we get back on topic, now? Or am i gonna have to ignore you?

No, anytime you fellows are faced with genuine queries about the root causes of the subject of this thread, you "run for the [tangents]." Until such a time as you acknowledge your fear of death and punishment, you will never return - no matter how much you feign an interest in so doing - to the subject of this thread but, instead, will continue to belay it as you have here.
legendary
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July 22, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
Doesn't disprove what I just said, nor Hamlet's fear.  Wink

Yours is an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

And so is epi's' theory on death.  Roll Eyes Maybe when there is more science on death we'll know. Maybe. Can we get back on topic, now? Or am i gonna have to ignore you?
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