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legendary
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July 31, 2015, 08:39:24 PM
I will email him today, I would definately purchase the report if it included cryptos.

I think bitcoin will follow gold, it looks like private investors haven't lost hope in gold yet, many are still stacking & another crash may trigger them to sell, and then I think buttcoin will follow when the smaller holders lose hope.
sr. member
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July 31, 2015, 06:40:37 PM
I will agree with Armstrong's skepticism on cryptocurrencies. We can even see that Bitcoin is becoming increasingly centralized (by design) and will be easily regulated by the international cooperation to hunt down all "tax cheaters" (which is a euphemism for "any one who doesn't agree to expropriation and slavery").

To subvert the tremendous flaws in cryptocurrency is going to be a monumental effort.

And then, can we prevent the bastards from filtering our packets?

Lots of technical hurdles and some may be insurmountable (but not if smart people get to work, but I don't see very many smart people really working on the issues and we are running out of time...looks rather hopeless).

IMPORTANT: Could someone please email Armstrong immediately and ask him to include some analysis of the Bitcoin price and potential bottom in his upcoming precious metals report (private assets correlation)? Tell him many of us will buy the report if he does. We really need his computer model's analysis of Bitcoin's price.
sr. member
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July 31, 2015, 06:14:40 PM
You're missing my point.

Trust me, you are missing the point.

Facebook is used by a lot of users and the governments monitoring those users. I'm saying private networks won't work until there is a political/social will to move to those networks.

No, no, no. You'll never get there if you expect to teach people to prefer what they don't prefer. Never. You broke the fundamental rule of marketing.

To put it simple: either your network has to be better: easier to use and more efficient and more profitable...

Exactly. People have to want to use it because they like it better, makes them more productive, improves their profitability, gives them ways to do things which they are currently prevented from doing, etc..

That is why I said it all about doing the code to make that a reality. Not about politics.

And yes, making it incredibly easy-to-use. Now go study again my marketing of CoolPage. Who knows ease of use? And who knows what people want?

I am talking too much.
legendary
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July 31, 2015, 12:28:55 PM
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generalizethis and TPTB

...easier to use...

Yes, that is they key for me and for millions (billions) of others. I am way behind most of you guys re Bitcoin technology and programming, but, relatively speaking, an "early adopter".

The Internet did not get BIG until easy to use browsers came along.  I did not enter the World of Bitcoin until blockchain.info came along (and as a beginner I got some important help from a great guy I do not even know from Canada).

Ease of use is vital before the masses will use it.

Look at Facebook.............
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
July 31, 2015, 04:17:26 AM
Weird that Torvalds line applies to you most days-- Tongue

Definitely.

If you think you can defeat political powers without the use of politics...

The politics of the Knowledge Age is delivering code that causes people to use it en masse. I did that for example with Cool Page at the end of 1998, where by 2000 or so, it had 335,000 verified websites according to AltaVista ("link:3dize.com" was the query) and the internet population was 1/10 of what it is now. Imagine little ole me creating 3.35 million hardcore users of something in today's population. And I was just getting started when my eye got exploded by a GI pipe and had to spend 2000 - 2002 in surgeries.

So what I am saying is that politics of this new age is about doing and creating something that people are compelled to use. And then they do. And they discover, "hey this works better, fuck the old world". And with that, the old world crumbles away...

There is still talking involved, e.g. marketing, design, business development, economic theory work, etc.. Not just programming. But programming is an essential component.

Use is the key. Let me repeat that again. Use. Use. Use.

You're missing my point. Facebook is used by a lot of users and the governments monitoring those users. I'm saying private networks won't work until there is a political/social will to move to those networks. It's like fast food, most people won't accept that it is bad for them until it is too late or someone in power tells them. Making healthy foods alone won't do the trick.

Motivation is key. Let me repeat that again. Motivation. Motivation. Motivation.

To put it simple: either your network has to be better: easier to use and more efficient and more profitable than the monitored alternatives or the political will has to be there. I don't think you can get around this unless you only want privacy for the chosen few?
sr. member
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July 31, 2015, 03:09:05 AM
Weird that Torvalds line applies to you most days-- Tongue

Definitely.

If you think you can defeat political powers without the use of politics...

The politics of the Knowledge Age is delivering code that causes people to use it en masse. I did that for example with Cool Page at the end of 1998, where by 2000 or so, it had 335,000 verified websites according to AltaVista ("link:3dize.com" was the query) and the internet population was 1/10 of what it is now. Imagine little ole me creating 3.35 million hardcore users of something in today's population. And I was just getting started when my eye got exploded by a GI pipe and had to spend 2000 - 2002 in surgeries.

So what I am saying is that politics of this new age is about doing and creating something that people are compelled to use. And then they do. And they discover, "hey this works better, fuck the old world". And with that, the old world crumbles away...

There is still talking involved, e.g. marketing, design, business development, economic theory work, etc.. Not just programming. But programming is an essential component.

Use is the key. Let me repeat that again. Use. Use. Use.
sr. member
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Knowledge could but approximate existence.
July 31, 2015, 01:52:45 AM
Re the first link: Please note that this is not the magic of the free market, rather it is the state subsidizing the robots. In their wisdom, they have decided that robots can better do the work, and they use scarce capital confiscated from the public to do it.

The market would only do it, when wages are so high that the capital expense would be lower than keeping the workers, the price of labour signaling that it is so valuable that it could better be used elsewhere.


Citizens provide collateral: when there is no need of collateral (i.e., when a nation's lenders have become its government [i.e., under plutocracy]), there is no need of “We the People” (United Sates).

Quote from: Peaceful Revolution Network link=http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html
The 50 years of war left England in financial ruin. The government officials went begging for loans from guess who, and the deal proposed resulted in a government sanctioned, privately owned bank which could produce money from nothing, essentially legally counterfeiting a national currency for private gain.

Now the politicians had a source from which to borrow all the money they wanted to borrow, and the debt created was secured against public taxes.

You would think someone would have seen through this, and realised they could produce their own money and owe no interest, but instead the Bank of England has been used as a model and now nearly every nation has a Central Bank with fractional reserve banking at its core.

These central banks have the power to take over a nations economy and become that nations real governing force. What we have here is a scam of mammoth proportions covering what is actually a hidden tax, being collected by private concerns.

The country sells bonds to the bank in return for money it cannot raise in taxes. The bonds are paid for by money produced from thin air. The government pays interest on the money it borrowed by borrowing more money in the same way. There is no way this debt can ever be paid, it has and will continue to increase.

If the government did find a way to pay off the debt, the result would be that there would be no bonds to back the currency, so to pay the debt would be to kill the currency.
(Red colorization mine.)

“Tax revenue” is a form of collateral for the loans provided to governments by central banks.
full member
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July 30, 2015, 07:09:43 PM
Today's "Keiser Report" #790 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1DfP1d1tH8 touches on a number of themes discussed in this thread recently.

In this double-header special episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss whether or not there is such a thing as post-capitalism, whether or not we are actually in this phase and examine the solutions to the multiple crises of neoliberal capitalism.

The episode concentrates on Paul Mason's Guardian piece (which generalizethis read and commented on after I posted a link last week) http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-end-of-capitalism-begun on post-capitalism (de facto post-central banks), also includes discussion on copyright; referring to Tony Blair's often trumpeted "Knowledge Economy", and later to a NY Times article making reference to Star Trek's Post-Economic system, "...in which money no longer exists and anything you want can be made in a replicator, essentially for free... objects will no longer be status symbols. Success will be measured in achievements, not in money... you will need to build up your reputation..."
legendary
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July 30, 2015, 06:53:24 AM

Re the first link: Please note that this is not the magic of the free market, rather it is the state subsidizing the robots. In their wisdom, they have decided that robots can better do the work, and they use scarce capital confiscated from the public to do it.

The market would only do it, when wages are so high that the capital expense would be lower than keeping the workers, the price of labour signaling that it is so valuable that it could better be used elsewhere.

legendary
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July 30, 2015, 02:36:29 AM
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C student OROBTC has learned that trollercoaster posts interesting stuff, + 1.

I noted that S. Korea has the most robots per capita, I saw some in 2012 when touring three of their bearing factories.  Very impressive, those factories looked right out of Star Trek. 

And the four guys (two @ from two companies) who took me around ALL worked 60 hour weeks.

Now if I could just convince our suppliers there to cut their prices 5% or so....
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
July 30, 2015, 01:19:14 AM
But isn't part of this process convincing...

I know your trying TPTB, but...your gift is the actual building and analysis of these systems.

This is the Knowledge Age:

"Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds



Convincing is for politicians which are deprecated in the Knowledge Age.

Millionaires who don't, won't be millionaires for much longer...

Then like some christians who have a gleeful desire to see the Last Days (humanity erased  Huh ), you'll get to say, "I told you so! Now burn Mother Fucker!"

Weird that Torvalds line applies to you most days-- Tongue

I'd retort, "Our brains are quantum processors and language is their primary code." So talk is doing, but I think he was talking to Developers--was he not?

If you think you can defeat political powers without the use of politics, you missed that you are complaining that not enough people are joining your revolution and Bitcoin is being swallowed by the politically powerful--what comes out the other side will be a control system unlike any other--more efficient, more able to micro manage behaviors, more the same old capitalism breaking the backs of the poor. Delueze made the observation that the only way to destroy capitalism is to feed it until it dies from obesity.

Maybe what to make is more efficient systems to extract wealth and let greed do its thing. My guess is AI comes out the other side and we have a much different problem.
 
sr. member
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July 30, 2015, 01:03:32 AM
Mircea Popescu on proper air-gapping for comsec (computer security):

http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/

I didn't realized PDF is such a huge security hole:

http://www.malwaretracker.com/pdfthreat.php

Next time I see him, I will have to speak to him about not posting pics of my filipina gf to the web:

sr. member
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July 30, 2015, 12:38:17 AM
But isn't part of this process convincing...

I know your trying TPTB, but...your gift is the actual building and analysis of these systems.

This is the Knowledge Age:

"Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds



Convincing is for politicians which are deprecated in the Knowledge Age.

Millionaires who don't, won't be millionaires for much longer...
sr. member
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July 30, 2015, 12:34:10 AM
https://twitter.com/dragosr/status/573544253151780864

Quote from: dragosr
Quebec man charged for not giving phone PIN at border search http://goo.gl/FOV6C7  Duress passwords, device wipers, should be a thing

By "duress password", he means a password that gives access but hides everything you didn't want to give access to. It is a diversionary password that hopefully satisfies the request of the gestapo.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
July 29, 2015, 11:59:58 PM
There must be a popular and natural commerce function that exceeds the size of the existing Industrial Age global GDP.

I am envisioning a Knowledge Age economy that is orders-of-magnitude larger in value than the current global GDP.

To tap into this and get it rolling is mostly technological work that needs to be done. And yet Bitcoin $millionaires who could have funded this work when they had millions, were instead smoking cigars and having (probably relatively useless) meetings at $million castles or expending the money on expensive toys such as Ferraris. They don't seem to understand the sacrifices they needed to make in 2014 to adopt anonymity procedures and get things done. It is no excuse to say that one doesn't understand technology or doesn't have time. A $millionaire can afford the necessary help to make important things happen. God entrusted this capital (talents) with them for a purpose, and not to be lazy about it or make excuses which do not make sense. We must maximize our talents on what is needed. If you do not understand the technology, then pay someone who does to advise you.

And now it is getting into the late innings of the coming smashup into the NWO 666 system.

I see these HODLers myopically "self-interested" with their capital being totally and completely wasted sitting idle in Monero, Bitcoin, and gold waiting for what you think is the big payoff, instead of putting (at least some of) their capital to work actually creating the technologies that are desperately needed but which do not yet exist.

You think I am insane enough to attempt to do all that work all by myself whilst everyone here pontificates and wastes precious time. Sheesh.  Angry

We are the antithesis of organized.

But isn't part of this process convincing millionaires that it is in their best interest to fund development of privacy in cryptocurrency and the web? Also, if the Bitcoin millionaires are motivated by greed, then shouldn't the technologies created make privacy profitable and given how privacy makes networks more secure to use, doesn't it follow that eliminating security costs is in most everyone's interest. Furthermore, convincing the masses that privacy is liberty and security would go a long way to motivating millionaires to spend money on privacy initiatives.

The convincing is political and takes the politically minded. Though i don't want to insult him or her with the word politician; Ghandi and MLK were doing political work, but no one could demean their efforts with the politician label. So I'm going to ask one more time: "Does anyone know of any writers, strategists, or theorists who have worked out or are working on a plan to convince people (a political plan) that privacy is a necessary part of our lives and brings with it more benefits than costs? "

I know your trying TPTB, but using guilt and religion would make me want to go the other way if I didn't know you better. Your gift is the actual building and analysis of these systems.

sr. member
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July 29, 2015, 11:46:14 PM
Either don't buy a new car, or find a hacker who can disable wireless communications capabilities of the car.

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
sr. member
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July 29, 2015, 09:05:16 PM
That anonynous currency already exists my friend.

All existing anonymity technologies are incomplete and insufficient.

I have placed my bets on Monero for many reasons, though some disagree.

I emphatically disagree both on technical reasons and also it having no natural commerce function. Cryptonote advanced the state-of-the-art, but it is incomplete. Monero will be unable to hard fork the necessary technological advances because such advances will be too radically different from the inertia that exists.

What are the most effective ways to break control systems? Ghandi and MLK had a handbook, where is ours? Private money and private internet are BIG solutions, but without political action, they may lack the users to make them effective.

There must be a popular and natural commerce function that exceeds the size of the existing Industrial Age global GDP.

I am envisioning a Knowledge Age economy that is orders-of-magnitude larger in value than the current global GDP.

To tap into this and get it rolling is mostly technological work that needs to be done. And yet Bitcoin $millionaires who could have funded this work when they had millions, were instead smoking cigars and having (probably relatively useless) meetings at $million castles or expending the money on expensive toys such as Ferraris. They don't seem to understand the sacrifices they needed to make in 2014 to adopt anonymity procedures and get things done. It is no excuse to say that one doesn't understand technology or doesn't have time. A $millionaire can afford the necessary help to make important things happen. God entrusted this capital (talents) with them for a purpose, and not to be lazy about it or make excuses which do not make sense. We must maximize our talents on what is needed. If you do not understand the technology, then pay someone who does to advise you.

And now it is getting into the late innings of the coming smashup into the NWO 666 system.

I see these HODLers myopically "self-interested" with their capital being totally and completely wasted sitting idle in Monero, Bitcoin, and gold waiting for what you think is the big payoff, instead of putting (at least some of) their capital to work actually creating the technologies that are desperately needed but which do not yet exist.

You think I am insane enough to attempt to do all that work all by myself whilst everyone here pontificates and wastes precious time. Sheesh.  Angry

We are the antithesis of organized.
legendary
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July 29, 2015, 07:50:51 PM
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TPTB

18,000 oz of silver?  Shi'ite!  That beats the most of the guy I know who has the most (a mere 5000 oz).  Hard to actually MOVE that much though, my only real complaint re silver.  Nice timing too!

After you are done programming the, well you know, maybe you should WTFB! *




* Everything You Always Wanted to Know about Hiding Your Bitcoin, but Were Afraid to Ask
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