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Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on August 20, 2015, 11:28:34 AM

Quote from: macsga on August 20, 2015, 11:23:22 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 07:04:51 AM

You can't spend a $220 bill at a fast food drive-in in Belgium:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/36159

In the meantime, Greece is heading for elections on Sept. 20.. There's a physical impasse between ideology and the "EU business" and this has to be cleared out. As I've expressed earlier "Democracy lives no more in Greece" since elections is just another elegant tool of the EU totalitarianism to do their job. There's absolutely no difference what the Greek people will vote.

Our ability as a nation to decide about ANYTHING ended the moment our elected government decided that would be a disaster if we leave the EU. Maybe they know better; but that's not what people elected them for. Undecided

Is it possible that a majority government will be elected that are anti-EU?

Scientifically speaking everything is possible (as explained in detail in MWI model by Graham-Everett-Wheeler) but the most possible scenario would be that PM Tsipras will get rid with a "democratic procedure" the far left wing party that opposes to his "decisions" (or if you prefer the directives the EU officials forced him to implement).

The worst case scenario (which is very possible) is that the far right (the fascist scheme of Golden Dawn) gets a good proportion of the "anti-memorandum" people that in the previous elections vote for SYRIZA and NEW GREEKS parties (which is now government). That would mean the country who invented Democracy ends up with a scheme that eliminates it. This is just fucking sad. Cry

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Quote from: macsga on August 20, 2015, 11:23:22 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 07:04:51 AM

You can't spend a $220 bill at a fast food drive-in in Belgium:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/36159

In the meantime, Greece is heading for elections on Sept. 20.. There's a physical impasse between ideology and the "EU business" and this has to be cleared out. As I've expressed earlier "Democracy lives no more in Greece" since elections is just another elegant tool of the EU totalitarianism to do their job. There's absolutely no difference what the Greek people will vote.

Our ability as a nation to decide about ANYTHING ended the moment our elected government decided that would be a disaster if we leave the EU. Maybe they know better; but that's not what people elected them for. Undecided

Is it possible that a majority government will be elected that are anti-EU?

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 07:04:51 AM

You can't spend a $220 bill at a fast food drive-in in Belgium:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/36159

In the meantime, Greece is heading for elections on Sept. 20.. There's a physical impasse between ideology and the "EU business" and this has to be cleared out. As I've expressed earlier "Democracy lives no more in Greece" since elections is just another elegant tool of the EU totalitarianism to do their job. There's absolutely no difference what the Greek people will vote.

Our ability as a nation to decide about ANYTHING ended the moment our elected government decided that would be a disaster if we leave the EU. Maybe they know better; but that's not what people elected them for. Undecided

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 02:32:16 PM

I hate complicated.

I want to explain even very complex topics or math in a way a layman could understand.

I am very much into simplification via unification, i.e. paradigm shifts.

I am an artist not just an engineer. For me programming is painting on a canvass. I want it to be beautiful visually and semantically.

To take away my instruments of creativity in order to satisfy some rigid legacies, is like telling an artist he can't paint with non-standard brushes.

Conformance is a four letter word. Innovation and clever interoption are my sword.

Love me or hate me or ignore me or join me. That is the question.

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You can't spend a $220 bill at a fast food drive-in in Belgium:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/36159

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Quote from: tabnloz on August 19, 2015, 03:04:00 PM

And, after Citizen Four, No Place To Hide and WikiLeaks / Sarah Harrison involvement, I am convinced that Snowden is legit and heroic. It would seem to be plenty harder to do things the way he did than a preplanned conspiracy. The repercussions from his exposures are global and have changed the world: reflecting poorly on US, negatively affected US companies, led to scrutiny of all governments and countries. As for the NSA / Tor link, it is over 2 years post Snowden, creeping up on 3 if you think about the preparation that would have been involved, so there is a possibility that either a) he didn't have access to that info, b) info is still to be released or c) the program was still in germination phase. But all in all for me, despite the capabilities of TPTB to control the narrative, this is one case I think he is a true whistleblower.

Quote from: Marlow Stern, "John Oliver Makes Edward Snowden Squirm on ‘Last Week Tonight,’" The Daily Beast, 2015

In order to get people to understand the gravity of the situation, Oliver feels they should frame it differently: d*ck pics. Alluding to the fact that Americans seemed far more outraged over “The Fappening”—the celebrity nude photo hacking spree that exposed a laundry list of A-list actresses last year—than the Snowden revelations, Oliver felt that an easier way to communicate the issue to Americans is as follows: The government is accessing your private d*ck pics.

haha yes very true. and the assumed legal & criminal complexity on top of the patriotic narrative does keep the outrage at arms length..... (no revolution) but globally the revelations haven't cycled out of the news since and has resulted in loss of business for US companies (see moves by Brazil, China)

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My prior research (from 2013 when I was AnonyMint) and thoughts about memory-hard hash functions, and particularly with respect the Cryptonite proof-of-work hash function in Monero and other Cryptonote coins:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12190327

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I wonder about the practicality of a meshnet when a government has an explicit ban on them, I'm unaware of anything like that in the EU. But even if innovations in this area were not available to the public you would still likely get network enclaves and at the very least high capacity USB data stick swapping (as in North Korea with distribution of western and eastern media) and perhaps even dead-drops of data.

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Quote from: THX 1138 on August 19, 2015, 02:55:29 PM

Living in a rural location myself, I've been wondering too at what options there might be. I'm pretty new to this and have been trying to work out what kit would be needed. Any layman-friendly advice from out there would be appreciated ;-)

I came across this a while back:

"Building a Rural Wireless Mesh Network":

PDF here:

http://wirelessafrica.meraka.org.za/wiki/index.php/DIY_Mesh_Guide_Download

had a quick look...it was tcp-ip based and uses wifi..

wifi are short range and can be converted to long range using dish antenna. but short wave radios are more low tech, far reaching, maybe cheaper, and made from discrete circuits making them repairable(components are easily available) and hardy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_circuit

and the designs could be..

- shortwave radios being interconnected to internet (tcp-ip)
or
-shortwave radios having a network of their own (independent from the internet)

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Quote from: cbeast on August 19, 2015, 07:13:36 PM

First of all, it would require a lot of money to invest in equipment. Orders like this are hard to keep secret. Someone would investigate. It would have to be a sustained 51% for many many blocks or else the miner would be DDOSd, IP blacklisted, or worse. That would end their Bitcoin career, and if they are lucky they could sell their used equipment to partially recoup their millions. That equipment would then make Bitcoin stronger against the next attack. If they were successful for any length of time, the price of Bitcoin would plummet (markets would close) and they would not be able to sell their fake bitcoins anyway. Besides, the people with that much money to throw away are unconcerned about Bitcoin anyway because they don't care about anyone's future but themselves.

(He refutes, already, that argument in the rest of his post.)

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 19, 2015, 03:35:49 PM

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Everyone knows that Bitcoin mining MUST become more centralized (in order to scale up transactions) and thus it will likely (almost certainly IMO) eventually become controlled by the G20 that can regulate a few 100s of mining nodes. Will be justified by the G20 doing coordination against terrorism, money laundering, and tax cheating.

And the masses who use Coinbase wallets and other large providers such as the Blockstream.com (3 million wallets) CEO shaking hands with the Prime Minister of the UK upthread, won't care! They are sheep. They follow. They are preoccupied.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 19, 2015, 03:35:49 PM

Quote from: tabnloz on August 19, 2015, 03:04:00 PM

Quote from: macsga on August 19, 2015, 08:35:31 AM

BTC flawed 'cause 51% attack? He didn't say anything we didn't already know...

I didn't think Snowden's thoughts on bitcoin were entirely that bad, and agree that it regarded nothing that most people haven't already accepted ie possibility of 51% etc etc.

A 51% attack can create as many Bitcoins as it wants to.

I think Bitcoin investors do not really believe it can happen, because they would not invest in inflatacoin.

But it is much more likely than they believe.

First of all, it would require a lot of money to invest in equipment. Orders like this are hard to keep secret. Someone would investigate. It would have to be a sustained 51% for many many blocks or else the miner would be DDOSd, IP blacklisted, or worse. That would end their Bitcoin career, and if they are lucky they could sell their used equipment to partially recoup their millions. That equipment would then make Bitcoin stronger against the next attack. If they were successful for any length of time, the price of Bitcoin would plummet (markets would close) and they would not be able to sell their fake bitcoins anyway. Besides, the people with that much money to throw away are unconcerned about Bitcoin anyway because they don't care about anyone's future but themselves.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 19, 2015, 03:35:49 PM

I think Bitcoin investors do not really believe it can happen, because they would not invest in inflatacoin.

Quote from: Cyrus Farivar, "Dogecoin to allow annual inflation of 5 billion coins each year, forever," Ars Technica, 2014

For the last two months, developers and users of Dogecoin, the shiba-themed altcoin (alternative Bitcoin), have been trying to hash out whether it should be an inflationary or deflationary currency. On Saturday, Jackson Palmer, the creator of Dogecoin, wrote on Github that the developer team would keep the code as it is—allowing for some limited inflation.

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http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-up-for-discussion-at-commonwealth-virtual-currency-meeting/

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Quote from: tabnloz on August 19, 2015, 03:04:00 PM

Quote from: macsga on August 19, 2015, 08:35:31 AM

BTC flawed 'cause 51% attack? He didn't say anything we didn't already know...

I didn't think Snowden's thoughts on bitcoin were entirely that bad, and agree that it regarded nothing that most people haven't already accepted ie possibility of 51% etc etc.

A 51% attack can create as many Bitcoins as it wants to.

I think Bitcoin investors do not really believe it can happen, because they would not invest in inflatacoin.

But it is much more likely than they believe.

Everyone knows that Bitcoin mining MUST become more centralized (in order to scale up transactions) and thus it will likely (almost certainly IMO) eventually become controlled by the G20 that can regulate a few 100s of mining nodes. Will be justified by the G20 doing coordination against terrorism, money laundering, and tax cheating.

And the masses who use Coinbase wallets and other large providers such as the Blockstream.com (3 million wallets) CEO shaking hands with the Prime Minister of the UK upthread, won't care! They are sheep. They follow. They are preoccupied.

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Quote from: tabnloz on August 19, 2015, 03:04:00 PM

And, after Citizen Four, No Place To Hide and WikiLeaks / Sarah Harrison involvement, I am convinced that Snowden is legit and heroic. It would seem to be plenty harder to do things the way he did than a preplanned conspiracy. The repercussions from his exposures are global and have changed the world: reflecting poorly on US, negatively affected US companies, led to scrutiny of all governments and countries. As for the NSA / Tor link, it is over 2 years post Snowden, creeping up on 3 if you think about the preparation that would have been involved, so there is a possibility that either a) he didn't have access to that info, b) info is still to be released or c) the program was still in germination phase. But all in all for me, despite the capabilities of TPTB to control the narrative, this is one case I think he is a true whistleblower.

Quote from: Marlow Stern, "John Oliver Makes Edward Snowden Squirm on ‘Last Week Tonight,’" The Daily Beast, 2015

In order to get people to understand the gravity of the situation, Oliver feels they should frame it differently: d*ck pics. Alluding to the fact that Americans seemed far more outraged over “The Fappening”—the celebrity nude photo hacking spree that exposed a laundry list of A-list actresses last year—than the Snowden revelations, Oliver felt that an easier way to communicate the issue to Americans is as follows: The government is accessing your private d*ck pics.

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Quote from: macsga on August 19, 2015, 08:35:31 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 19, 2015, 02:46:09 AM

So we had Satoshi on Aug 15 and now Snowden chimes that Bitcoin needs to be fixed:

Quote from: Dire on August 17, 2015, 03:24:51 AM

I'm not sure if Snowden particularly knows what he's talking about in this case really. I mean, the 51% attack is hardly something most don't know about.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/115133/edward-snowden-on-bitcoin-bitcoin-by-itself-is-flawed

“Obviously, Bitcoin by itself is flawed. The protocol has a lot of weaknesses and transaction sides and a lot of weaknesses that structurally make it vulnerable to people who are trying to own 50 percent of the network and so on and so forth.”

'Despite his concern for the digital currency, Snowden believes the concept of tokenization and proof of work could be implemented to create “some very interesting things,”...”

BTC flawed 'cause 51% attack? He didn't say anything we didn't already know. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid here but let me believe that Snowden is not some "random chap who thought it would be bad for the USGov to monitor their citizens (and the whole world in the meantime)" and decided to land in Russia's arms. I'm sure that *IF* he's for real, he'd probably had his reasons not to say anything about NSA's attack to the Tor network, in order to reveal who were the overlords of Silkroad. Possibilities he was not aware?

Reverse psychology rulez... Undecided

I didn't think Snowden's thoughts on bitcoin were entirely that bad, and agree that it regarded nothing that most people haven't already accepted ie possibility of 51% etc etc.

And, after Citizen Four, No Place To Hide and WikiLeaks / Sarah Harrison involvement, I am convinced that Snowden is legit and heroic. It would seem to be plenty harder to do things the way he did than a preplanned conspiracy. The repercussions from his exposures are global and have changed the world: reflecting poorly on US, negatively affected US companies, led to scrutiny of all governments and countries. As for the NSA / Tor link, it is over 2 years post Snowden, creeping up on 3 if you think about the preparation that would have been involved, so there is a possibility that either a) he didn't have access to that info, b) info is still to be released or c) the program was still in germination phase. But all in all for me, despite the capabilities of TPTB to control the narrative, this is one case I think he is a true whistleblower.

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Quote from: arielbit on August 18, 2015, 07:53:29 PM

is this HAM/shortwave radio interconnected to the internet? and these shortwave radios can have a reliable interconnected network in rural areas, easy and cheap to maintain(sustainable)? what are the device/s people in rural areas need to carry this crypto currency?

rural areas and coastal areas is where majority of food came from..any new design should be rural area friendly...

Living in a rural location myself, I've been wondering too at what options there might be. I'm pretty new to this and have been trying to work out what kit would be needed. Any layman-friendly advice from out there would be appreciated ;-)

I came across this a while back:

"Building a Rural Wireless Mesh Network":

PDF here:

http://wirelessafrica.meraka.org.za/wiki/index.php/DIY_Mesh_Guide_Download

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 19, 2015, 02:46:09 AM

So we had Satoshi on Aug 15 and now Snowden chimes that Bitcoin needs to be fixed:

Quote from: Dire on August 17, 2015, 03:24:51 AM

I'm not sure if Snowden particularly knows what he's talking about in this case really. I mean, the 51% attack is hardly something most don't know about.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/115133/edward-snowden-on-bitcoin-bitcoin-by-itself-is-flawed

“Obviously, Bitcoin by itself is flawed. The protocol has a lot of weaknesses and transaction sides and a lot of weaknesses that structurally make it vulnerable to people who are trying to own 50 percent of the network and so on and so forth.”

'Despite his concern for the digital currency, Snowden believes the concept of tokenization and proof of work could be implemented to create “some very interesting things,”...”

BTC flawed 'cause 51% attack? He didn't say anything we didn't already know. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid here but let me believe that Snowden is not some "random chap who thought it would be bad for the USGov to monitor their citizens (and the whole world in the meantime)" and decided to land in Russia's arms. I'm sure that *IF* he's for real, he'd probably had his reasons not to say anything about NSA's attack to the Tor network, in order to reveal who were the overlords of Silkroad. Possibilities he was not aware?

Reverse psychology rulez... Undecided

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So we had Satoshi on Aug 15 and now Snowden chimes that Bitcoin needs to be fixed:

Quote from: Dire on August 17, 2015, 03:24:51 AM

I'm not sure if Snowden particularly knows what he's talking about in this case really. I mean, the 51% attack is hardly something most don't know about.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/115133/edward-snowden-on-bitcoin-bitcoin-by-itself-is-flawed

“Obviously, Bitcoin by itself is flawed. The protocol has a lot of weaknesses and transaction sides and a lot of weaknesses that structurally make it vulnerable to people who are trying to own 50 percent of the network and so on and so forth.”

'Despite his concern for the digital currency, Snowden believes the concept of tokenization and proof of work could be implemented to create “some very interesting things,”...”

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