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Quote from: Rockstarguy on October 07, 2022, 05:27:38 PM

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This is due to the lack of land for them to develop the knowledge they have acquired during their education. It could be because they are wrong in choosing the right field of study that makes it difficult for them to develop their skills. If they go to college according to their talents, surely they will know what to do after they finish college. In this case, I can say that they went to college just to join in.

If people find it difficult to practice what they are being taught in school, that shouldn't stop them from learning other skills that can be productive to them, their are many skills that one can choose that will be suitable. Not everyone ends up in practicing what is been taught in school, most people after school they get any skill and make it a career. I don't see reason why people would allow what they learned from school that they can't practice stop them from learning any skill.

Yes. There is still a lot of room and place for them to develop their skills as long as the desire to learn is still there. In my opinion, education does not have to be formal because the essence of education is the desire to act based on curiosity in the mind.
If we see that there is potential in someone and we have the facilities to develop that person's potential, then that is also the best means of education. On this basis I say that there is still a lot of room and place to hone skills.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on October 07, 2022, 05:27:38 PM

If people find it difficult to practice what they are being taught in school, that shouldn't stop them from learning other skills that can be productive to them, their are many skills that one can choose that will be suitable. Not everyone ends up in practicing what is been taught in school, most people after school they get any skill and make it a career. I don't see reason why people would allow what they learned from school that they can't practice stop them from learning any skill.

What is being taught in schools were just a part and those are basic things that makes a person eligible to get into a job. The job market is different and it is a must to keep ourselves prepared for what is being required. Here we might experience difficulty in finding opportunities as well as making business. It is our ability and the understanding that brings success.

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Quote from: CageMabok on October 07, 2022, 12:01:37 AM

I think it is a very natural thing when there are some people who have other skills outside the formal education they have attended in school or lectures. But some of the people I saw at my place actually went through that education just to get a diploma and wanted everyone to admit that they already had a certain title, but they didn't have any skills at all. And I think this is a very strange thing because after several years of education, they still can't do anything and are not even productive enough for themselves.

This is due to the lack of land for them to develop the knowledge they have acquired during their education. It could be because they are wrong in choosing the right field of study that makes it difficult for them to develop their skills. If they go to college according to their talents, surely they will know what to do after they finish college. In this case, I can say that they went to college just to join in.

It's true that most people go to university just because it's just a formality to get a diploma so it's easy to get a job. Or there are also those who
enter university because they follow their parents orders or follow their friends. That's why many people who graduate from university end up having
a hard time getting a job, it's because they made the wrong decision from the start. Should choose a major at the University must be in accordance
with the talents we have or even choose a major according to what we like. So if we study at the University according to our talents and preferences,
then after graduating college as you said they would know what to do. So should people study at the University according to their own wishes,
then usually the education they get is useful in their lives, because we do something according to our interests. That way the results are also usually
not disappointing.

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Quote from: yudi09 on October 07, 2022, 12:25:01 AM

Quote from: CageMabok on October 07, 2022, 12:01:37 AM

I think it is a very natural thing when there are some people who have other skills outside the formal education they have attended in school or lectures. But some of the people I saw at my place actually went through that education just to get a diploma and wanted everyone to admit that they already had a certain title, but they didn't have any skills at all. And I think this is a very strange thing because after several years of education, they still can't do anything and are not even productive enough for themselves.

This is due to the lack of land for them to develop the knowledge they have acquired during their education. It could be because they are wrong in choosing the right field of study that makes it difficult for them to develop their skills. If they go to college according to their talents, surely they will know what to do after they finish college. In this case, I can say that they went to college just to join in.

If people find it difficult to practice what they are being taught in school, that shouldn't stop them from learning other skills that can be productive to them, their are many skills that one can choose that will be suitable. Not everyone ends up in practicing what is been taught in school, most people after school they get any skill and make it a career. I don't see reason why people would allow what they learned from school that they can't practice stop them from learning any skill.

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Quote from: CageMabok on October 07, 2022, 12:01:37 AM

I think it is a very natural thing when there are some people who have other skills outside the formal education they have attended in school or lectures. But some of the people I saw at my place actually went through that education just to get a diploma and wanted everyone to admit that they already had a certain title, but they didn't have any skills at all. And I think this is a very strange thing because after several years of education, they still can't do anything and are not even productive enough for themselves.

This is due to the lack of land for them to develop the knowledge they have acquired during their education. It could be because they are wrong in choosing the right field of study that makes it difficult for them to develop their skills. If they go to college according to their talents, surely they will know what to do after they finish college. In this case, I can say that they went to college just to join in.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on October 06, 2022, 11:15:07 PM

Skills are not only formed in formal education, but many people find skills outside formal education, but back again as we said at the beginning, that education is a person's first step to understand technology and others, with education people will focus more on research and development of new technology

I think it is a very natural thing when there are some people who have other skills outside the formal education they have attended in school or lectures. But some of the people I saw at my place actually went through that education just to get a diploma and wanted everyone to admit that they already had a certain title, but they didn't have any skills at all. And I think this is a very strange thing because after several years of education, they still can't do anything and are not even productive enough for themselves.

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Quote from: Davian144 on October 06, 2022, 02:52:58 AM

The meaning of education itself is to learn all the basic knowledge to serve as a guide in his life and it can clearly be brought into the environment to find work that suits each one. Because a person must have certain skills towards what he really likes in his life, so that someone can make the things he likes as a job to produce because a hobby that is always occupied and can be a source of income for each individual is a very pleasant job.

For the actual function of education you have described quite well, education is general in nature and can be interpreted as a pacemaker for someone to understand the basic principles, because with education people will be more focused in living their daily lives.
The development of an increasing advanced era, education can be brought into any work, both in offices and other jobs that are more general in nature, while skills are needed for career advancement or new jobs that are being pursued.

Quote from: GelatikKembar on October 06, 2022, 05:01:33 AM

When our skills can make money of course it is a good thing because sometimes someone just uses it for fun,
and in this case I think higher education is still important,
What is clear is that education is a foundation that must be owned by everyone

Skills are not only formed in formal education, but many people find skills outside formal education, but back again as we said at the beginning, that education is a person's first step to understand technology and others, with education people will focus more on research and development of new technology

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I don't think education could ever fail in any developing country. My reason for saying so is because, it could be disseminated in varying forms. It has gone beyond the norms of classroom attendance. Persons these days choose vocational or journey man course learning, because it is a surety to financial security, whereby one is saved stress of seeking for a job upon graduation from college.
In my country Nigeria, students in higher institutions of learning have sat at home for almost 8months, due to inadequacies in coming to a reasonable and consensual agreement between the federal government and the governing bodies or these higher institutes of learning.
This however has made many of these students to seek knowledge or education in other vocations, so as to eke a living and not beg or resort to murderous crimes in order to survive.

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Education isn't a failure IMO, the system is. Imagine majoring in Science but you have to take 4 freaking history classes that may be a huge reason why you wouldn't be able to move to the next course? That's straight up scam. Plus, you there is always that prerequisite that isn't entirely related to your major that will eat a lot of your time. If they drop some of the things that you don't need and focus on the things that will help you get a job, just imagine how many learned individuals we may have produced by now that are experts on their field.

But I guess the point of the education system is to make kids learn just enough and not too much, because this society doesn't want to produce individuals that are smarter than those seated in the office to prove a point. This is why it's still better to enter a trade school because you're guaranteed to learn a lot on your chosen trade than your traditional universities out there.

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I think education has failed a lot of people in different countries. I know here in the United States we have a decent grade school/high school (pre-college) overall "rating" if you want to call it that. But I know there's certainly other countries who do a better job of teach youth.

The one thing that the United States does have the best of is colleges. This is really where I got my education and without the degree I earned, I wouldn't have been able to work in the field I'm in.

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Quote from: bakasabo on October 05, 2022, 02:55:02 AM

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It reminds me a little of the situation in my country in the 90s, when there was a demand for accountants (entrepreneurship and private business began to develop fully), and they began to be trained in huge quantities in all educational institutions / courses, etc.
As a result, the salaries of accountants in the market fell, a huge number of unemployed "valuable employees" appeared ... and the training system worked and produced new accountants.

Most likely - educational institutions do not quite understand the real consumption of your market or the economy is not in the best condition, or both. Conclusion - something needs to be changed

Or the problem, as usually, is in the head of people and parents. According to their vision, it is more prestige if your child will be an accountant or financier (that was popular in my country in 2000s), then a plumber or someone whos profession involves having dirty hands (mechanic, construction builder and etc).

And now we have overabundance of accountants, and lack of good plumbers for example. A plumber now charge 50-100 EUR for screwing one screw to install water tap and connect two water hoses with central water system (10min work), while an average bookkeeper earn 100-200 EUR per month doing freelance job as a remote accountant in small company.

You are very right in pointing out and explaining the problem!
Firstly, there is such a problem - as the outdated views of parents who think rather by old standards, and are trying to realize "their dreams" through their children, in reality, which has already changed a lot, but they have not yet understood it .. And unfortunately they will not understand it anymore, Well, at least most parents...
The second problem is an incorrect assessment of the prospects. Or opportunities. That's what you said about the accountant and the plumber. The problem is that if everyone becomes accountants, then everyone's taps will start to flow, water drains will clog .... But the smartest accountant is unlikely to be able to do something. And due to the fact that there will be 1 plumbers per million accountants, the cost of plumbing work will cost MORE than the work of an accountant ...

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Quote from: Marykeller on October 06, 2022, 12:58:43 PM

Education is meant to open your eyes and your brains. It will expose you to various words of ideas and opportunities rather than cornering you into limited choices of job offers. Being educated doesn't mean you have a guaranteed job to work in the exact field you studied. Several successful people in the world aren't practising their field of study. They make use of your intellectual to create jobs for themselves

Its one of the importance on making yourself educated, not only on having that document or certificate or diploma that you had finished studies but it is really something that really puts
you into a situation that you are aware on whats happening around or simply does have the knowledge compared into those people who hadnt able to go to school at least and finished it up.
Speaking of failing then it would be definitely be depending on various factors since people do live in a world and having different life and situations which even if he does like to go
into school but doesnt have money to support it then it would be still ending up on the same way.

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Quote from: odunybiz on September 25, 2022, 05:30:09 PM

CONCLUSION
School gives certificate but doesn't guarantee a job.

But without a certificate, you are not qualified for some higher position! This is a strange part, even if someone knows better the advantage has a guy with a diploma. So in my company, people who know something have low-level places, and people with diplomas have big paychecks and zero knowledge... yes, we are going down. So instead of progressing and going forward, it's like we are going backward, it's just a question of time when will everything fall apart!

Education failed everywhere! Every new generation should be better than the one before, but it's not the case, we are trapped, simply the system is rigged! "They" don't want educated people with open minds, "they" need slaves and people who will work for them.

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Education is meant to open your eyes and your brains. It will expose you to various words of ideas and opportunities rather than cornering you into limited choices of job offers. Being educated doesn't mean you have a guaranteed job to work in the exact field you studied. Several successful people in the world aren't practising their field of study. They make use of your intellectual to create jobs for themselves

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Quote from: Davian144 on October 06, 2022, 02:52:58 AM

Quote from: Fara Chan on October 05, 2022, 11:06:49 PM

Educational standards will determine work in the office, but beyond that education is only a place to learn, but in my opinion education does not guarantee someone to work.
What do you mean: the education system is broken because the work is not in accordance with the courses.
Cases like this, because someone no longer places knowledge in the real dimension, they perceive education as a place to find work and are more individual.

The meaning of education itself is to learn all the basic knowledge to serve as a guide in his life and it can clearly be brought into the environment to find work that suits each one. Because a person must have certain skills towards what he really likes in his life, so that someone can make the things he likes as a job to produce because a hobby that is always occupied and can be a source of income for each individual is a very pleasant job.

When our skills can make money of course it is a good thing because sometimes someone just uses it for fun,
and in this case I think higher education is still important,
What is clear is that education is a foundation that must be owned by everyone

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Quote from: bakasabo on October 05, 2022, 02:55:02 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on October 04, 2022, 02:03:40 PM

It reminds me a little of the situation in my country in the 90s, when there was a demand for accountants (entrepreneurship and private business began to develop fully), and they began to be trained in huge quantities in all educational institutions / courses, etc.
As a result, the salaries of accountants in the market fell, a huge number of unemployed "valuable employees" appeared ... and the training system worked and produced new accountants.

Most likely - educational institutions do not quite understand the real consumption of your market or the economy is not in the best condition, or both. Conclusion - something needs to be changed

Or the problem, as usually, is in the head of people and parents. According to their vision, it is more prestige if your child will be an accountant or financier (that was popular in my country in 2000s), then a plumber or someone whos profession involves having dirty hands (mechanic, construction builder and etc).

And now we have overabundance of accountants, and lack of good plumbers for example. A plumber now charge 50-100 EUR for screwing one screw to install water tap and connect two water hoses with central water system (10min work), while an average bookkeeper earn 100-200 EUR per month doing freelance job as a remote accountant in small company.

Who we will become in the future is by our own choice, not by education. Education gives us the first foundations on which we can build our own future, it does not determine our future. In this case both accountant and plumber are trained but the difference is the educational environment, one gets formal education, from universities, and one gets education from outside institutions, and society might call it informal.
We can see without education both would not be able to become accountants and plumbers, so education is really important.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on October 05, 2022, 11:06:49 PM

Educational standards will determine work in the office, but beyond that education is only a place to learn, but in my opinion education does not guarantee someone to work.
What do you mean: the education system is broken because the work is not in accordance with the courses.
Cases like this, because someone no longer places knowledge in the real dimension, they perceive education as a place to find work and are more individual.

The meaning of education itself is to learn all the basic knowledge to serve as a guide in his life and it can clearly be brought into the environment to find work that suits each one. Because a person must have certain skills towards what he really likes in his life, so that someone can make the things he likes as a job to produce because a hobby that is always occupied and can be a source of income for each individual is a very pleasant job.

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Quote from: bakasabo on October 05, 2022, 02:55:02 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on October 04, 2022, 02:03:40 PM

It reminds me a little of the situation in my country in the 90s, when there was a demand for accountants (entrepreneurship and private business began to develop fully), and they began to be trained in huge quantities in all educational institutions / courses, etc.
As a result, the salaries of accountants in the market fell, a huge number of unemployed "valuable employees" appeared ... and the training system worked and produced new accountants.

Most likely - educational institutions do not quite understand the real consumption of your market or the economy is not in the best condition, or both. Conclusion - something needs to be changed

Or the problem, as usually, is in the head of people and parents. According to their vision, it is more prestige if your child will be an accountant or financier (that was popular in my country in 2000s), then a plumber or someone whos profession involves having dirty hands (mechanic, construction builder and etc).

And now we have overabundance of accountants, and lack of good plumbers for example. A plumber now charge 50-100 EUR for screwing one screw to install water tap and connect two water hoses with central water system (10min work), while an average bookkeeper earn 100-200 EUR per month doing freelance job as a remote accountant in small company.

From this picture, we must be able to read the opportunities in the future so that we can survive to earn income. it seems that this is a common occurrence, where when there is a trend there will be many people who join the trend until they finally experience a saturation point because the supply is abundant and not directly proportional to the demand in the market, most people will be proud of following the trend, while they do not know when trend ends, until finally become unemployed

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With our current era now, here in my country you need to at least have a degree in being a cashier in grocery, I can say that businesses here has a high standards but the salary here is not good enough, especially we have inflations. And I admit, our education system here is broken, we just need to graduate just because it is needed even though we don't even understand what we school is teaching us. That's why many student in here graduated and has a job not aligned to their courses.

Educational standards will determine work in the office, but beyond that education is only a place to learn, but in my opinion education does not guarantee someone to work.
What do you mean: the education system is broken because the work is not in accordance with the courses.
Cases like this, because someone no longer places knowledge in the real dimension, they perceive education as a place to find work and are more individual.

Quote from: Furious 7 on October 03, 2022, 12:47:06 PM

It also seems like it's still fifty-fifty because for now, except for part-time work for office work and so on, it's clear that education is the main factor, not education, but education certificates.
I don't know what other areas are like, but I've worked for several companies and the first thing asked was a certificate of education and that is one of our supports to determine our strata.
Regardless of how skills are possessed, without any correlation with people who have strengths and education certificates are not owned, things will not go well.

For developing countries, a diploma is needed to apply for a job in an office, but in developed countries, skills play a very important role in determining where a person works.
However, the real function of education is not only about jobs and diplomas.
More precisely, more skills are needed and a diploma is only part of the administrative completeness to work.
Developed countries and developing countries, the function of education and the need for a diploma may have different meanings in the category of work.

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Quote from: DrBeer on October 04, 2022, 02:03:40 PM

It reminds me a little of the situation in my country in the 90s, when there was a demand for accountants (entrepreneurship and private business began to develop fully), and they began to be trained in huge quantities in all educational institutions / courses, etc.
As a result, the salaries of accountants in the market fell, a huge number of unemployed "valuable employees" appeared ... and the training system worked and produced new accountants.

Most likely - educational institutions do not quite understand the real consumption of your market or the economy is not in the best condition, or both. Conclusion - something needs to be changed

Or the problem, as usually, is in the head of people and parents. According to their vision, it is more prestige if your child will be an accountant or financier (that was popular in my country in 2000s), then a plumber or someone whos profession involves having dirty hands (mechanic, construction builder and etc).

And now we have overabundance of accountants, and lack of good plumbers for example. A plumber now charge 50-100 EUR for screwing one screw to install water tap and connect two water hoses with central water system (10min work), while an average bookkeeper earn 100-200 EUR per month doing freelance job as a remote accountant in small company.

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