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Quote from: Shasha80 on October 01, 2022, 05:45:46 PM

That's why we still have to work hard and start from the bottom to be able to successfully get our dream job and become successful. It's true that
it doesn't mean we have a good education, then automatically it's easy to get a job and eventually become successful. Sometimes when
someone graduates from university, they immediately think they can get a job easily, and immediately earn a large income. The fact is in my country
a lot of people have higher education, and graduated from university but didn't find a job for a long time.

It's sometimes because they don't want to start work from a low position and low salary first, because whatever we get at school and university
sometimes does not guarantee we can work well. Sometimes when you first start working for your company, it's like starting from scratch to learn
how to do your job. The conclusion is that we must not stop learning, because there are many important things that we can learn in this world.
So for successful people, they usually always learn new things and want to start from something small, then slowly become successful people.

and on the top of it - we have to work hard to make our dream come true
I believe that honesty is a best policy and that is not common in ordinary person so if you find an honest worker - dont loose them

We do have to fight for our dreams to come true, even though at first it looks difficult and even impossible to realize. But hard work will bring us
closer to making our dreams come true, depending on how much we struggle to make our dreams come true. Most importantly never give up if
we experience failure, because sometimes it takes several failures before finally our dreams come true. Regarding honesty, it is something
we must have, in order to achieve our dreams in the right way. Unfortunately today we are very difficult to find honest people, because in this
world there are so many smart people, but lack of honest people. So sometimes people who have higher education, are not necessarily honest people.

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It reminds me a little of the situation in my country in the 90s, when there was a demand for accountants (entrepreneurship and private business began to develop fully), and they began to be trained in huge quantities in all educational institutions / courses, etc.
As a result, the salaries of accountants in the market fell, a huge number of unemployed "valuable employees" appeared ... and the training system worked and produced new accountants.

Most likely - educational institutions do not quite understand the real consumption of your market or the economy is not in the best condition, or both. Conclusion - something needs to be changed

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People always associate success with good education, many millionaires who are not high school, this can be enthusiastic for those of us who do not have higher education to succeed, the key to success is not just education and according to education experts are 10% requirements for success, attitudes and Positive thoughts viewing conditions are the ultimate factor for success.

Whether you achieved good education or not, that won’t determine your future. You can be as successful like those professionals if you always work with dedication, hardwork and positivity. A lot of uneducated people nowadays have turned into millionaires, because they never settle for less and they always come out from their comfort zones. And they easily don’t give up and always strive hard so they can push through with their dreams and aspirations in life. That way, they turned into successful individuals without having good education from the start.

An example is elon musk itself. If I'm not mistaken, he already said that he doesn't have very advanced training, but his employees do. In the end, in some cases, education can help, but if you can make money in another way, that's fine too.

Making money in other ways of course requires knowledge too so it's not that easy,
other than that what I want to say is education covers everything from knowledge, skills and more,
What is clear is my point of view that education remains the most important thing

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Quote from: odunybiz on September 25, 2022, 05:30:09 PM

My question is: Does education guarantee a job.

Answer: No

Being educated means you are trainable i.e you should be able to use your acquired knowledge to creat space for yourself in the labour market even if their isn't any job opportunity. Education will give you some skills that make you different from an illiterate.

Educated makes you more advanced than uneducated, educated makes you focused with the knowledge and knowledge you have. thus, an educated person has a greater opportunity than an uneducated person in the labor market.

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CONCLUSION
School gives certificate but doesn't guarantee a job. Education never fails, it's gives knowledge and skills. This knowledge and skills acquired through it brings breakthrough on the long run. Therefore, graduate should think beyond getting a job after schooling but plan on how to utilize the knowledge and skills acquired through their education to create jobs for themselves and others.

A bachelor's degree or school certificate does not guarantee easy employment.
The gap or mismatch between graduate competition and the needs of the world of work and industry is one of the main problems facing the world of education in developing countries.
The low skill of university graduates is the impact of the low quality of education in several developing countries. the difficulty of university graduates getting a job can be seen from the educated unemployment rate from several developing countries.

Therefore, graduates do not only rely on diplomas, but also must have good competence and work skills.
if this is owned, the graduates have the opportunity to get a more decent job. graduates must complete their abilities with work competencies, so they can easily determine jobs that match their talents, interests and desires.

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Quote from: Kimonoe on October 03, 2022, 09:50:11 AM

but I think a higher education is still important considering the insights gained from formal education can make provision for social life

Important, but not a must. And in general that depends on a profession you aim to get. For example if you want to be a mechanic, you dont have to have MBA. A combination of experience, education and goal is what matters.

In my or neighbor countries, it was popular once to send kids after school to study in Ireland or Great Britain. Most parents though their kids will get a more valuable education there, but kids used that opportunity to settle there and dont cared much about diplomas. Because working in a factory there, they could earn more than working on a top position in a huge company...

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Quote from: Finestream on October 03, 2022, 06:43:19 PM

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People always associate success with good education, many millionaires who are not high school, this can be enthusiastic for those of us who do not have higher education to succeed, the key to success is not just education and according to education experts are 10% requirements for success, attitudes and Positive thoughts viewing conditions are the ultimate factor for success.

Whether you achieved good education or not, that won’t determine your future. You can be as successful like those professionals if you always work with dedication, hardwork and positivity. A lot of uneducated people nowadays have turned into millionaires, because they never settle for less and they always come out from their comfort zones. And they easily don’t give up and always strive hard so they can push through with their dreams and aspirations in life. That way, they turned into successful individuals without having good education from the start.

An example is elon musk itself. If I'm not mistaken, he already said that he doesn't have very advanced training, but his employees do. In the end, in some cases, education can help, but if you can make money in another way, that's fine too.

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People always associate success with good education, many millionaires who are not high school, this can be enthusiastic for those of us who do not have higher education to succeed, the key to success is not just education and according to education experts are 10% requirements for success, attitudes and Positive thoughts viewing conditions are the ultimate factor for success.

Whether you achieved good education or not, that won’t determine your future. You can be as successful like those professionals if you always work with dedication, hardwork and positivity. A lot of uneducated people nowadays have turned into millionaires, because they never settle for less and they always come out from their comfort zones. And they easily don’t give up and always strive hard so they can push through with their dreams and aspirations in life. That way, they turned into successful individuals without having good education from the start.

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Quote from: odunybiz on September 25, 2022, 05:30:09 PM

My question is: Does education guarantee a job.

Answer: No

Being educated means you are trainable i.e you should be able to use your acquired knowledge to creat space for yourself in the labour market even if their isn't any job opportunity. Education will give you some skills that make you different from an illiterate.

Why do people with an educational background have a harder time getting a job than people without an educational background? Because those who have an educational background will choose a decent job and according to the level of education they get.

Meanwhile, those who do not have an educational background, will do anything as long as they can make money. That is, the two views have different orientations, one has the feasibility of a job, and the other is money orientation. Education is not wrong, but what is wrong is our perception of education.

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Quote from: Taskford on September 30, 2022, 02:47:30 AM

Education can fail if the government didn't pay to much attention on this and give only small budget to develop schools and anything that can help students also with upcoming professional. If there's crisis toward employment well this is another problem to them so its really good to put a politician who have vision for growth and put some priorities on education and creating job to its people since this is so important on their economy.

Governments are aware that if you educate people very well, and I mean like from all parts of life, not just business related future employee mindset but actually educating people on life and what they will face as well, then we are going to have citizens who will ask questions and no political party ever wants that. They want citizens who would wake up, go to work, come home, watch netflix, sleep and repeat that without too much questions asked. This isn't about left or right, this isn't about west nations vs east nations, this is ALL world and ALL parties in the entire world. That's why we have problems in the education for sure, and will never be fixed.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on October 03, 2022, 11:13:17 AM

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CONCLUSION
School gives certificate but doesn't guarantee a job. Education never fails, it's gives knowledge and skills. This knowledge and skills acquired through it brings breakthrough on the long run. Therefore, graduate should think beyond getting a job after schooling but plan on how to utilize the knowledge and skills acquired through their education to create jobs for themselves and others.

The actual function of education is exactly what you conclude, knowledge and skills will be shaped by formal education which we often call school, while employment is largely determined by a person's skills in making choices and being able to take advantage of existing opportunities.

It also seems like it's still fifty-fifty because for now, except for part-time work for office work and so on, it's clear that education is the main factor, not education, but education certificates.
I don't know what other areas are like, but I've worked for several companies and the first thing asked was a certificate of education and that is one of our supports to determine our strata.
Regardless of how skills are possessed, without any correlation with people who have strengths and education certificates are not owned, things will not go well.

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Quote from: odunybiz on September 25, 2022, 05:30:09 PM

Most people go to school believing that they will get a job after schooling. In most developing country, the rate of unemployment keep increasing every year as graduate are produced every year to the labor market with a decline in rate of job opportunity. Using Nigeria as a case study, over 600,000 graduates are produced every year to the labour market with no job opportunity. This make the rate of unemployment increase every year.

This is a wrong understanding, education does not guarantee someone in finding a job, but actually education is the first step for someone to understand knowledge, and because education people are led to be better prepared in living real life.

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CONCLUSION
School gives certificate but doesn't guarantee a job. Education never fails, it's gives knowledge and skills. This knowledge and skills acquired through it brings breakthrough on the long run. Therefore, graduate should think beyond getting a job after schooling but plan on how to utilize the knowledge and skills acquired through their education to create jobs for themselves and others.

The actual function of education is exactly what you conclude, knowledge and skills will be shaped by formal education which we often call school, while employment is largely determined by a person's skills in making choices and being able to take advantage of existing opportunities.

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Failure education will certainly make it difficult for the country to improve the welfare and prosperity of its citizens, and most countries that fail are not serious to provide better education and budget, and the main enemy is corruption because it has become commonplace that poverty is maintained for political facilities.

If a people show bad results during education, then the country's financial position would be bad. If people have bad grades at school, they will get low paid jobs. If person failed at studying, then he will never be rich. Is that what you mean? But that is absurd. There are a lot of example when people without basic education, higher education or with local university diploma achieved great results and are millionaires.

especially for now, where expertise is prioritized and gets a large salary, regardless of diploma and educational background. just like trading, which requires expertise not educational strata, many of them are self-taught to get financial freedom, but I think a higher education is still important considering the insights gained from formal education can make provision for social life

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Failure education will certainly make it difficult for the country to improve the welfare and prosperity of its citizens, and most countries that fail are not serious to provide better education and budget, and the main enemy is corruption because it has become commonplace that poverty is maintained for political facilities.

If a people show bad results during education, then the country's financial position would be bad. If people have bad grades at school, they will get low paid jobs. If person failed at studying, then he will never be rich. Is that what you mean? But that is absurd. There are a lot of example when people without basic education, higher education or with local university diploma achieved great results and are millionaires.

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The purpose of education is to give the basic learning of writing and reading to all its citizens. This further being taken into different levels and people make themselves strong in different sectors. What I see is different, education hasn't failed but the opportunity creation have decreased. This is why we don't have much of job opportunities. This can be achieved through the diversification of economy than getting accumulated within the hands of few rich people.

It's true that opportunities lately have been limited and that's why there's an increasing rate of unemployment. But this problem has been there for so long.
And for those unemployed people to cope up is to improve themselves, learn something else like skills or being into a business so instead of them looking for jobs, they're the ones that shall generate more opportunities.

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And because of that, applying for a job is now a competition and employers will pick those who are from a known school and with higher grades as part of the selection. This means those who are not from a good school will become jobless and less opportunities to get a job. That gives no courage, especially from poor people not to go to school knowing that their chances are very slim and they are just preferred working even just got below the standard rate as this is the only chance they've got rather that nothing.

Their was a time when employers always choose graduates from best schools and best grades, but I think things are now worst in my country, even if you graduate from the best school with the best grade you won't still secure a job, before you can secure a job in my country now, you have to know a influential person that can help you work that out. Their are lot's of graduates now with very good results but they can't still secure any job, good grade those not guaranty you a job, if you need a job, you have to know a influential person, if you don't know anybody then you will be jobless. The best thing to do now is to acquire a skill right when you are in school, even if you are in the best school with a good grade.

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Quote from: Viscore on October 01, 2022, 04:20:07 PM

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People always associate success with good education, many millionaires who are not high school, this can be enthusiastic for those of us who do not have higher education to succeed, the key to success is not just education and according to education experts are 10% requirements for success, attitudes and Positive thoughts viewing conditions are the ultimate factor for success.

Education does not guarantee life’s future success, but having good education in your previous years will help you easier to find decent jobs that gives good compensation. However, in cases that educated people do not succeed, because they tend to become lazy and never take the opportunities and chances that they have gained through having formal education. That way, success will be very hard to achieve.

That's why we still have to work hard and start from the bottom to be able to successfully get our dream job and become successful. It's true that
it doesn't mean we have a good education, then automatically it's easy to get a job and eventually become successful. Sometimes when
someone graduates from university, they immediately think they can get a job easily, and immediately earn a large income. The fact is in my country
a lot of people have higher education, and graduated from university but didn't find a job for a long time.

It's sometimes because they don't want to start work from a low position and low salary first, because whatever we get at school and university
sometimes does not guarantee we can work well. Sometimes when you first start working for your company, it's like starting from scratch to learn
how to do your job. The conclusion is that we must not stop learning, because there are many important things that we can learn in this world.
So for successful people, they usually always learn new things and want to start from something small, then slowly become successful people.

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Quote from: Issa56 on October 01, 2022, 03:16:05 AM

Education those not guaranty a Job in my country anymore, gone are those days when their are jobs waiting for you even before graduating, you have different choices and you will have to select the one you want, but now graduates don't even care about the job they get now and it's still difficult to secure even one, i think thats among the reason why crime rate is increasing in the country. Now in my country if you don't know any influencial person then their is no job for you, I just hope things will change later in the future. If you are a student in my country I believe the best thing you should do now is to learn a entrepreneur right in school so that after graduating you can have something doing and don't depend on any government to come and employ you.

it seems that the acceptance rate of prospective civil servants in your country is very low considering what you said. maybe from what you say is true where a student if he wants to get a job immediately after completing his education then he must really choose the right major for his next career. Actually, in this context the world of education is advancing from year to year, but because of the large number of students who complete education at once, when applying for jobs in the government, they have to really compete with thousands of people. which sometimes makes a person lose the opportunity to work in the government.

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Quote from: odunybiz on September 25, 2022, 05:30:09 PM

My question is: Does education guarantee a job.

Answer: No

Being educated means you are trainable i.e you should be able to use your acquired knowledge to creat space for yourself in the labour market even if their isn't any job opportunity. Education will give you some skills that make you different from an illiterate.

Of course, no guarantee if someone expects to get a job from job vacancies, especially civil/government employees.
But education makes someone having a bigger chance to get a job. He can have 2 options, applying for a job or creating his own job. Without education, it is difficult to create own job, and the chance to get a job from job vacancies is too small since it mostly requires an educated person. It is true that education makes someone to have the proper skills or abilities.

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People always associate success with good education, many millionaires who are not high school, this can be enthusiastic for those of us who do not have higher education to succeed, the key to success is not just education and according to education experts are 10% requirements for success, attitudes and Positive thoughts viewing conditions are the ultimate factor for success.

Education does not guarantee life’s future success, but having good education in your previous years will help you easier to find decent jobs that gives good compensation. However, in cases that educated people do not succeed, because they tend to become lazy and never take the opportunities and chances that they have gained through having formal education. That way, success will be very hard to achieve.

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What is being taught in some of the tertiary institutions is a big question??

Some of the developing countries do not have a syllabus or curriculum which peddles down to solving their demostic problems. They operate with inherited curriculums which might be solving problems in Western countries.
These inherited curriculum are not being edited to fit the present needs.

And that is why the tertiary institutions of today keep producing graduates of yesterday while the problems of today need solution from tomorrow - JFK. Things doesn't just add up and it is nice to believe the education system has collapsed in some developing countries.
Learn skills and digital skills and live fine, go get degree if you want to be medical doc, lawyer, accountant etc.

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