Topic: Education seems to have failed in some developing country - page 7. (Read 2704 times)

someone can increase their curiosity in this modern era by learning freely, I mean, they can learn with smart internet methods. there are many other ways to learn in between free time from school activities if one has the will to learn. there are so many online schools that are easy to understand if you have the intention to learn. I am amazed by education in this modern era because during the time of covid, the world of education seemed to be closed and students could learn through online schools.

Now it seems that we are being pushed for such a classification.
Currently, there are many rules that require classification to become someone who has a degree as you mentioned clearly requires education and like it or not we have to follow rules like this because this is a must now.
It is difficult to change this back to how it was before because education has become a benchmark and for someone who does not have competence in education, no matter how good they are, they will not be considered too much because they do not have a certificate for classification.

That's why many companies prioritize experienced people over people who just graduated from college. Because like you said many things are not
taught in school, so when someone enters the world of work, they still have to learn from scratch. So based on my life experience, in school only
taught how to live disciplined, how to socialize well, expand relationships, and how to face the competition. In conclusion, school only learns
the basic things of life, but work skills must be obtained from how we study and do our jobs well. So every time we work for the first time we often
get training first. It is true that success does not only depend on the education we get in school, but how we fight hard to survive. That's why
smart people usually lose to hard working people.

An underlying error is how they assume that school means work. Even though things like that are the wrong mindset, at school we are only taught to gain knowledge, hone skills and other abilities. I think it is a form of laziness, because the world of work is not like the world of school. Success has its own path and it can be said that school is one way to achieve it.

According to what I understand you think education systems failed just in some countries. Still, if you ask me I would say the education systems failed in most of the cases or even in all the nations because if I want to just talk about my branch and my job, which is backend development, I learned nothing from school and university however I was studying in one of the best universities on my country. But after graduation, I had basically not enough knowledge and skill to start my career so I had to start leaning from other sources and then started with internship, most of people have a same situation and I guess there is the same ponlem in most of the countries about broken education system.

stompix pointed out that the difference in employability isn't as high as the initial chart makes it seem and doesn't account for several factors, but even if talking generally about education and employability, I think it's important to consider which jobs people take and which countries are explored. I remember that in the US, there's strong data suggesting the dependence of employability and salary on the college a person graduated from. In my country, higher education (without strict specifications) is simply a requirement for many jobs. Not because of the particular knowledge you obtained but because obtaining higher education you, presumably, acquired skills to self-organize, learn a lot of things, pull through stressful situations, act when you are not 100% what the right way of doing things is etc. And while even the best higher education of my country doesn't guarantee you'll find a job you'll enjoy, it does give you an upper hand over those who don't have higher education and increases your chances of getting employed for doing an intellectual job.

It did fail, developing countries are rife with corruption and with corrupt officials in power, they know how threatening a critically thinking population is so they purposely bankrupt or constrict the budget in their education sector so they can keep producing drones instead of one that actively questions the injustice surrounding them, we can't rely on the government involved bodies to help us in improving our education system, each individual needs to take part in making sure we don't create a dystopian nightmare.

I think everyone has the right to achieve success, even if they don't have a high formal education because success depends on how much someone can try and take advantage of what is around him. Maybe it is necessary to add another key to success, namely the desire to change the situation for the better. Continuous efforts can certainly help him achieve that success. Positive attitudes and thoughts will also support a person to achieve success so that he can get more ideas that can help him to succeed.

Nothing is guaranteed in this life. Only the communist regimes are trying to "guarantee" anything to the people (and they fail in the end).
The university/college system is getting more expensive and kinda obsolete.
You definitely need a diploma if you are going to build a career as an engineer, a lawyer or a doctor. You don't need a degree/diploma for most of the professions in the private sector. Having actual practice in a certain job and social skills is more important than a degree or diploma.
The fourth industrial revolution(or the first digital revolution) is making the current educational system more or less useless. Reforms are needed in the government-owned education systems around the world.

So, education+internship definitely beats experience in my book, and how would you know someone have experience at first when you hire, would you hire a 18 year old out of high school? Or a 24 year old out of college and internship?
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It depends a lot on what I'm hiring them for!
Am I looking for a cashier, for a helper in construction for a guy handling flyers, I wouldn't give a damn about their age or education or experience, if I'm looking for a graphical designer or other such things that require skills  I can do a test right there, the one how manages to do it best gets hired. But if I'm looking for a team leader and manager that requires supervising a few dozen people there is no way an 18 yo right out of school will be able to make the list, first that no matter how capable he is the whole team will simply feel uneasy being ordered around by someone right from the highschool bench and in some case less educated than them.
So it's definitely a case-by-case situation.

That is probably not what they mean, but the path they want to open does lead to that in the long run as well. Education is obviously important, internship is even more important because the real reason for internship is to learn how people do the job, not to actually do it at first, to watch what others do and how they do it, so that's where the experience comes from, and by the end of it actually start doing it as well with the supervision of other people, that's the important thing.

So, education+internship definitely beats experience in my book, and how would you know someone have experience at first when you hire, would you hire a 18 year old out of high school? Or a 24 year old out of college and internship?

You have definitely pointed out the virtue of education. People have today rubbish education because of lack of job but in all honesty education isn't just about acquisition of job but morals are also instilled into the educated ones and this (education) has help a great lot in curtailment of crimes carried out by youth in the society.

People also don't focus in getting good grades or graduating with flying colours anymore because of the trading stuff that you must know someone before getting a job. Oh yeah it is right but imagine the situation of helping someone that actually graduated with good grades and the near bottom fellows. I think the former will be easy to get help.

But another thing that affects people that attend schools they feel there certificate will grant them jobs when it is not coming they just sit back without looking for alternatives to cater for there needs. There are many skill acquisitions that one could get par school at least to stay on ones toe before regular jobs could come. There are notable successful business men today that have build up there businesses after fail to acquire jobs.

My point everyday is education is never a scam

Indeed, education does not guarantee employment, but a good education will make a person more competitive and have a greater chance of getting a better job. And we also cannot equate the quality of education in developing and developed countries, of course it will be different. The reason why education in developing countries seems to be failing is because most developing countries don't have a solid foundation in their education system, so they produce less attractive human resources for companies. Therefore, most people from developing countries try to study abroad in order to get a better education to be accepted in global companies.

In Africa, education is really failing to achieve its objective of developing the mind of people and empowering them to contribute positively to their society. If nothing is done to the educational sector in these developing nations, the sector would totally collapse. Most of these nations have brilliant students that would be outstanding if they are exposed to the right information using the correct channels and tools. Some of the reasons for this are

1. Government attitude towards the educational sector: The educational sector of most of these nations is highly underfunded. They lack the right infrastructures and teachers are highly underpaid.

2. Corruption: The children of politicians mainly school in some of the best schools abroad funded by stolen funds from government coffers. Most funds budgeted for education are diverted to private accounts owned by these corrupt politicians. Due to nepotism and tribalism, unqualified teachers are employed to teach in schools, thereby producing half-baked graduates. Some lecturers are also very corrupt, they collect bribes from students to give them unmerited grades.

3. Societal beliefs: Society places more emphasis on certificates rather than skills and expertise. This has made people that even have no business going to the university forcefully enroll. This has led to the production of educated illiterates. Most people in these universities would have been sound artisans and entrepreneurs.    


It is not education that has failed but the individual and government. Education is an avenue that opens the mind of a learner and gives him the ability to identify and create opportunities even when there are no available employment opportunities. The government in developing nations have also failed to provide employment opportunities. They prefer to sell raw materials to other countries instead of refining these materials and selling the finished products which would increase employment opportunities. Unfavorable government policies have also scared most investors from these developing nations.

Transportation and other casual jobs are profit-making ventures in my country. Most transporters earn a far higher income than most government workers. The vulcanizer close to my house earns more than me that is gainfully employed. These jobs can serve as a source of income for other bigger dreams of some university graduates. Hence, these jobs shouldn't be overlooked.    

In some countries and especially in my own country. I see that the education curriculum in schools has not changed much from a few years ago. but every year technology and science is increasing a lot. The development of increasingly sophisticated technology makes industries produce with sophisticated machines as well. only in medical schools that I see the curriculum continues to be updated or improved and added and adapted to increasingly sophisticated medical technology. I hope that schools in other majors can always update the knowledge curriculum so that when students graduate from school they are familiar with the technology that has been used in today's world of work.

Seriously? So I should let a guy who is an expert in cleaning cars with vacuum clears but didn't have one hour of chemistry operate the valves in a multi-stage regulator for a LN2 tank?  Because he knows his way with pressure...
Equal rights? Nobody is equal when it comes to education, that's why even in kindergarten one will point out the correct color of the teddybears in 2 seconds while others will just dig their noses for buggers, the moment the 5th grade is in sight you can clearly see that definitely not everyone is equal. Some can learn, some can't and some don't want to.


That works only for a few jobs good paid jobs that don't require education and smoothly are physical intensive and will get you retire ar 40s, you don't need the education to wash dishes nor to dive a truck, but for others good luck having experience before education in othes, I can picture how this works with a guy becoming a surgeon without ever going to school.

And btw, since I saw already a few mentioning things like dipping out of school or university
Zuckerberg dropped out of Harvard, not from Bunga Bunga technical school of banana peeling.

Education is indirect contributor to that fact but you are %100 right. We should be looking at the past work of someone and hire that person based on their previous work, but obviously if we are talking about a new hire, someone who is 20-25 age range, then the person who studied the same thing in college would be a lot better than the person who just did it themselves, doesn't stop anyone though, if you worked hard on your craft during the same period while the college student just partied, then you would become better for sure.

So, I agree that it should be experience and proof of past work when we are hiring someone instead of their diploma, but that diploma "may" contribute to being better, not always but generally.

I am very much agreeing to this post actually. Say anything, but this is really true fact about education these days. There is also increased surge of overseas jobs. For example many asian countries has increased trend of taking education in their own country but when it comes to good job most of them will always go to developed countries like USA and Europe. They get their job very easily because they are ready to work with minimum wage which is always better bet for them as compared to being jobless in their own country.
This is effect of highly educated people in the country (so higher supply of workmanship) however very low vacancies in the industries (lower demand). This formula always stays other way round. It's sad reality of the today's world and we can't help it but create jobs, businesses and increase works. 

This has to be changed because this mindset seems to be passed down from generation to generation which makes the stigma that school is a place to get a good job which is always the main focus so that the essence of school as a place to seek knowledge seems to be slowly getting rid of.
Actually, in this case, schools with decent jobs cannot be separated because at present some companies clearly accept their employees based on the education they provide but this should not be used as one of the goals of educated people to focus on school only for work.

I agree with you that education remains important and everyone has the right to education,
education does not guarantee success but at least with education it is a very important foundation,
everyone has their own point of view about education and that's okay