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Topic: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻 - page 126. (Read 40749 times)

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President of El Salvador Nayib Bukele shares a video showing the installation of several bitcoin mining machines inside a geothermal power plant, it looks beautiful. Smiley
The nation is very seriously with their Bitcoin adoption. It is not only about legal tender but their app (Chivo), airdrop process to their citizens and installation of mining facilities.

They will be the model for other small nations to follow. It's certainly that small nations will force big nations to follow because they all care about profit for their countries.

If El Salvador succeed with their actions, other nations will follow and it will bring Bitcoin then cryptocurrency market to a new all time high. Demand will be much higher than what it is now. The increase of demand will combine with Bitcoin halving events each four years to make Bitcoin looks like a more valuable asset.
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President of El Salvador Nayib Bukele shares a video showing the installation of several bitcoin mining machines inside a geothermal power plant, it looks beautiful. Smiley

He supplemented the tweet with the short words "First steps"



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today the government in the country of El Salvador is openly adopting bitcoin on a national scale which they apply to their people in the country, maybe for some people this is a very good thing for the effectiveness of bitcoin in the future with the adoption of the country of El Salvador, with what that country has done we really hope that there will be a lot of acceptance by other countries of bitcoin
this will take time mate but the important thing is that EL Salvador had already started the run and nowadays there are other countries that showing their interest in doing the same thing.

Yeah this maybe a small country but what we must understand is they did made a best decision a country ever had and that is adopting a option in which will literally help their people got closer to reality of life and that is Decentralization .
legendary
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The 14.567 (thousands separator) TX per day create some confusion, and I’ve seen many comments elsewhere reasoning along this line. The figure, nevertheless, is under de "ATM" supra-caption, so I’d say that it relates exclusively to ATM TXs, and not the whole Chivo network (which would be incoherent with regards to what one would expect).

That would render an average of 73 TX per active ATM per day, which still may seem rather low for what we’d expect. We do have to take into consideration though that ATM positioning and usage will be diverse, and we also don’t really know if the number of daily TXs corresponds to a running 24 hours, or the current day (the latter would make the significance of the value time sensitive).

I'd love to see indicator definitions …
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“Transacciones por segundo” doesn’t mean that we have 65,437 new transactions every sec, but that the system is processing an average of 65,437 transactions every sec.

Note: In the above statement, nobody knows whether the ',' is a decimal holder or a thousand separator. Visa does something like 1,700 TX/s (thousand separator) according to multiple sources. This therefore strengthens the idea that the ',' is decimal point holder in their Dashboard.

The original post was in Spanish and it mentioned 14.567 “Transacciones por dia” (i.e 14,567 transactions per day) and 65,437 “Transacciones por segundo” (i.e 65.4 transactions per second). For me, the number looks low. In the same tweet, it was mentioned "Usuarios Totales - 2,255,936". If the number of users are more than 2.25 million, then I would expect much more than 14,500 transactions per day. Anyway, I hope that the numbers will pick up in the coming days as people get more familiar with Chivo.
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(to contextualize)

It seems that there are plenty of people lost in interpreting those Dashboard numbers:
https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1442624279028408321

@Bukele tried to throw some light, with a moderate success:
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“Transacciones por segundo” doesn’t mean that we have 65,437 new transactions every sec, but that the system is processing an average of 65,437 transactions every sec.
Note: In the above statement, nobody knows whether the ',' is a decimal holder or a thousand separator. Visa does something like 1,700 TX/s (thousand separator) according to multiple sources. This therefore strengthens the idea that the ',' is decimal point holder in their Dashboard.

Given the statement, and some other later Tweets on the above referenced link, some TXs take more than a few seconds to complete (some people even mention days on end). Therefore, at a busy point in time, the number will pile up on ongoing TXs, which is what @Bukele is saying that is being measured. That is of course rather different to new TXs/second, especially if the network were to be saturated at the time of the data snapshot, coinciding for example with a peak network time and a heavy pending backlog.

All in all, the indicator has a usefulness to monitor congestion and such, but from my point of view, as an outside reader, I’d be happier with a New TX/day ( + evolution chart).
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More and more people understand the value and usefulness of using bitcoin, so the official crypto wallet of the government of El Salvador Chivowallet is already actively used by 2.1 million residents of this country who have joined in the last 3 weeks, according to the statement of the president of the country
Nayib Bukele has more customers than all the banks in El Salvador combined. Smiley

An impressive figure for a country of supposedly 6.5 million people - but one fact we must not forget, and that is that the people who download Chivo wallet were financially motivated to do so because of the $30 they make in this way. We may wonder what the result would have been if there had been no additional motivation. What we all need to be much more interested in is how many of these users will actually remain active in the future.

The data that would be even more interesting to know is how many downloads the app has had in El Salvador, and how many abroad - because over 2 million El Salvadorians live in the US alone.
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Although I wasn’t really expecting to see them, @Bukele has published a few stats from a screenshot of a control Dashboard they are using:
 

Going over the data, they seem to be mixing notation for decimal points and thousands separator:

-   Total Users (Usuarios Totals) uses ',' to separate thousands.

-   ATM TX/day (Transacciones por Día) uses '.' to separate what seems thousands (conceptually more logical than a decimal point).

-   Chivo TXs/second (Transacciones por Segundo -> 65,437) could therefore be, bearing in mind that a day has 86400 seconds:

1)      86400 * 65.437 (decimal point [1])= 5 653 756  TX/day
2)      86400 * 65,437 (thousands separator [2])= 5 653 756 800 TX/day
Obviously it’s the former, and that is a pretty high figure. Perhaps the reading is an average of TX/s over the last hour, and not based on a wider range like 24 hours.


The Dashboard therefore is mixing decimal and thousand separators …

El Salvador uses formally:
[1] Decimal point: '.'
[2] Thousands separator: ','
legendary
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More and more people understand the value and usefulness of using bitcoin, so the official crypto wallet of the government of El Salvador Chivowallet is already actively used by 2.1 million residents of this country who have joined in the last 3 weeks, according to the statement of the president of the country
Nayib Bukele has more customers than all the banks in El Salvador combined. Smiley


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That's how it is! This announcement was left for the end of the 2021 Bitcoin Conference with the participation of Jack Mallers.
Among the most impressive that helped me understand why bitcoin will be the currency that will lead the country of El Salvador is this.

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"Over 70% of the active population of El Salvador doesn't have a bank account. They're not in the financial system." -Jack Mallers

https://twitter.com/TheBitcoinConf/status/1401279373223866369?s=19

At the conference the president of El Salvador makes the announcement.

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President of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele: "Next week I will send to congress a bill that will make #bitcoin a legal tender."

https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1401279550538108933?s=19


Bitcoin price will surely increase and become more popular since other countries already legalize bitcoin. Let us see how the people of El Salvador will react about it and how they will adopt with the crypto currency.
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I haven’t seen it around clearly exposed, but I figure that those 700 BTCs are meant to back the existing BTCs within the Chivo system, and not so much intended to hold as part of the countries reserves. With now over 1,1 Million Chivo wallet users, presumably nearly all will have redeemed their 30$ in bitcoin voucher, so the 700 BTCs kind of backs current redemptions (roughly, give or take).
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The President of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele, said on twitter that after the bitcoin price fell to $45,000, the government acquired another 150 BTC and now owns 700 BTC.


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Not all residents of El Salvador approve of President Bukele's policy of legalizing bitcoin, so radical opponents of bitcoin burned a bitcoin ATM during protests in the capital of the country, San Salvador, many were in fitballs with the inscription "No to bitcoin".  https://apnews.com/article/technology-elections-bitcoin-nayib-bukele-el-salvador-b4ca6f06417074dbd254a205a452b426



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El Salvador seems to be one step ahead of other countries.  I believe the government of el salvador has analyzed bitcoin so that el salvador can accept bitcoin for legal payment options.  In addition, El Salvador also proved that bitcoin could be useful for the payment system there

yes, first experience in real terms of bitcoin use.
This probably illustrates the need of something like lightning network for practical use.
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Here are the latest information updates for today from @Bukele’s twitter account (translated by me):
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1.   95% of Chivo Wallet’s technical errors have been corrected. It should be 100% functional over the next few days.

2.   The 200 Chivo ATMs in El Salvador are working perfectly well, as are the 50 Chivo ATMs in USA.

3.   There are 51 Chivo information centers, 100% functional.

4.   There are Chivo ATMs in USA (which can be used to recharge without paying any comissions), where the local legislation allows for it: Los Angeles, San Francisco, El Doral, Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, El Paso, Houston, Laredo, McAllen.

5.   The option to recharge using a credit/debit card will be enabled from tomorrow onwards.

You’ll be able to recharge your @chivowallet with any credit, debit or gift card, anywhere in the world, and not paying a single cent in commissions.

6.   New registers are not enabled, nor is the app download on new phone models.
Both of these features will be enabled when the app is error free (it will take a couple more days).

7.   We’ve currently got over half a million users.

8.   There are more businesses every day that accept payments in #Bitcoin or dollars, using other apps as well as @chivowallet.

9.   Some (user) profiles are blocked due to errors during the registry process (it was incomplete), when the app still had issues. These users will be deleted in order to allow them to re-register, once their user is made newly available.

10.   Those that have has issues transferring balance to banks or making payments, will be contacted by our technical team, once the interconnection to the bank has been resolved.

This will take one or two days, but all the balances are registered and guaranteed.

11.   The minimum $5 in #bitcoin for transactions to other wallets has been eliminated. The new minimum is $0.01.

12.   We are working with more businesses to offer additional benefits (such as discounts or special products) to @chivowallet users.


We set the challenge too high (launching everything in a three month period) and we made errors, but we are now correcting them and hundreds of millions of Salvadorans CAN NOW use their @chivowallet without any problems.

Soon, all those that wish to, will be able to enjoy their benefits.

So on to use your @chivowallets!

Those that can. Those that cannot will need to wait, but it will be worth while. We’re working on creating a user experience that gets better all the time.

Also to provide more benefits.

And remember that its usage is OPTIONAL.

Needless to say that the above, on twitter, does not tend to be as clear as it should be, and more thorough explanations would be appreciated, at least by us outsiders. Local context would probably be needed to fully understand some of the above comments.

I read about some articles complaining about some grave functional issues to get some context (although the source I believe is sponsored by the opposition):
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.elsalvador.com/noticias/negocios/criptomonedas-nayib-bukele/878661/2021/
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Javier Argueta, legal adviser to the President of El Salvador, reports that the government of El Salvador will exempt foreign investors from capital gains tax and approach tax on transactions with bitcoin.

Damn !
First they announce volcano steam powered BTC mining hubs, now tax exempt... hope they have enough "volcano" for all the ASICS sailing their way  Cheesy
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Javier Argueta, legal adviser to the President of El Salvador, reports that the government of El Salvador will exempt foreign investors from capital gains tax and approach tax on transactions with bitcoin. ""If a person has assets in bitcoin and makes high profits, there will be no tax. This (is done) obviously to encourage foreign investment"- states Javier Argueta.  https://news.yahoo.com/foreign-investors-exempt-tax-bitcoin-202653347.html

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Undoubtedly, this is another landmark in the history of Bitcoin. I'm almost sure the government of El Salvador made the right decision. I believe that these 550 BTC which were purchased at the current price of 45000 USD will double their dollar value over the next four years. Nayib Bukele is a great Bitcoin proponent.

Now El Salvador has begun to diversify its financial assets and reserves. Perhaps other countries will follow suit. I think the International Monetary Fund is unlikely to help them with this.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is a fiat-based organization. It will be ridiculous to expect them to approve this initiative. And this is also the reason why I was surprised when El Salvador asked the World Bank to help them with the implementation of Bitcoin as the legal tender. IMF, World Bank.etc are organizations that deal with fiat currency. What is the point in asking them to get involved with cryptocurrency?

Now regarding the Bitcoin purchase by El Salvador, in the long term it will obviously bring benefits for them. But I am more worried about short term fluctuations. The next presidential election is due in 2024. Hopefully BTC will be in six digits by then.

I have hardly any clue about the various matters that a world leader has to consider, but off-the-top of my head, it seems that strategically and in the spirit of openness, it would have been a good thing for El Salvador to formally ask for assistance, even if they already expected that the chances of actually getting assistance was going to be quite low.. maybe in the less than 30% odds (am I being too charitable) of getting some kind of a favorable response, but El Salvador still may have been served well by having had formally asked.
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Undoubtedly, this is another landmark in the history of Bitcoin. I'm almost sure the government of El Salvador made the right decision. I believe that these 550 BTC which were purchased at the current price of 45000 USD will double their dollar value over the next four years. Nayib Bukele is a great Bitcoin proponent.

Now El Salvador has begun to diversify its financial assets and reserves. Perhaps other countries will follow suit. I think the International Monetary Fund is unlikely to help them with this.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is a fiat-based organization. It will be ridiculous to expect them to approve this initiative. And this is also the reason why I was surprised when El Salvador asked the World Bank to help them with the implementation of Bitcoin as the legal tender. IMF, World Bank.etc are organizations that deal with fiat currency. What is the point in asking them to get involved with cryptocurrency?

Now regarding the Bitcoin purchase by El Salvador, in the long term it will obviously bring benefits for them. But I am more worried about short term fluctuations. The next presidential election is due in 2024. Hopefully BTC will be in six digits by then.
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On September 7, a law on recognizing bitcoin as a legal means of payment came into force in El Salvador, President of El Salvador Nayib Bukele said on Twitter, El Salvador has already purchased 550 BTC.

Undoubtedly, this is another landmark in the history of Bitcoin. I'm almost sure the government of El Salvador made the right decision. I believe that these 550 BTC which were purchased at the current price of 45000 USD will double their dollar value over the next four years. Nayib Bukele is a great Bitcoin proponent.

Now El Salvador has begun to diversify its financial assets and reserves. Perhaps other countries will follow suit. I think the International Monetary Fund is unlikely to help them with this.
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