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Topic: Elastic (XEL) Price Speculation - #Added to Bittrex - page 7. (Read 54170 times)

copper member
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XEL doesn't even have a current white paper and people think it's worth $30m? That's just plain idiocy. They can't even put together a functional website -- most of their links just go straight to GitHub. No team page. No FAQ. Abandoned by the original dev. It looks like a bad joke.

You really must be one very desperate person. If this is a bad joke to you, then what the hell are you still doing here? There must be something at least that holds you here? What is it?

Aw, come on, it's healthy for a project to have at least one house troll. Interestingly enough, I don't see any posts from this person at SONM or other DEXputer* projects.

*Hey, I think, I just found the worlds stupidest abbreviation!

Who needs trolls when you have Lannister:

http://archive.is/zoyYa

Status of Lannister and the ICO funds

April 15, 2017 by Unvoid

Lannister is gone. ICO funds are gone. We don’t know why. We don’t know if we ever see him again. It’s not like “he took all the funds and run away” because before disappearing he rewarded some of community members with some BTC for their work. He mentioned that he have some health problems also. That’s all we know now.


Anyone buying XEL might as well light their money on fire.

You not understand XEL.
member
Activity: 90
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XEL doesn't even have a current white paper and people think it's worth $30m? That's just plain idiocy. They can't even put together a functional website -- most of their links just go straight to GitHub. No team page. No FAQ. Abandoned by the original dev. It looks like a bad joke.

You really must be one very desperate person. If this is a bad joke to you, then what the hell are you still doing here? There must be something at least that holds you here? What is it?

Aw, come on, it's healthy for a project to have at least one house troll. Interestingly enough, I don't see any posts from this person at SONM or other DEXputer* projects.

*Hey, I think, I just found the worlds stupidest abbreviation!

Who needs trolls when you have Lannister:

http://archive.is/zoyYa

Status of Lannister and the ICO funds

April 15, 2017 by Unvoid

Lannister is gone. ICO funds are gone. We don’t know why. We don’t know if we ever see him again. It’s not like “he took all the funds and run away” because before disappearing he rewarded some of community members with some BTC for their work. He mentioned that he have some health problems also. That’s all we know now.


Anyone buying XEL might as well light their money on fire.
newbie
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WTS 13k XEL at 23k sats. ~3BTC
hero member
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Merit: 513
Coinmarketcap has added Elastic.

Rank 733 for now, there is too much room for growth.
Hi Bob, I thought it said Rank 79 .

You are right both of yours. Because when coinmarketcap added to first hours, They didn't implement our circulation supply, I send genesis account (account for redeem) to them for tracking circulation supply. They implemented yet.
Conimarketcap ranking all coins with market cap, market cap calculating with circulation supply. Now Elastic is on rank 74 Smiley
I hope we will see 400m $ market cap soon.. Smiley

I think "circulating supply" isn't accurate. 100 000 000 XEL is for all intents and purposes. We can't know how many of the XEL will be redeemed in the future. I mean, there are huge wallets of BTC which haven't been touched in years. Is coinmarketcap supposed to exclude them from the circulating supply, because their keys are most likely lost? This is not about rank, but about the fact, that newcomers may think that there is no way that around 30 000 000 XEL may flood the market at some point (unlikely, but possible). Therefore, price calculation should take ALL XEL into accound, not only the ones we know were moved.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1001
Coinmarketcap has added Elastic.

Rank 733 for now, there is too much room for growth.
Hi Bob, I thought it said Rank 79 .

74 now, To the Stars
and Beyond



Edit: Chineese are buying it OTC.
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1334
just in case
Coinmarketcap has added Elastic.

Rank 733 for now, there is too much room for growth.
Hi Bob, I thought it said Rank 79 .

You are right both of yours. Because when coinmarketcap added to first hours, They didn't implement our circulation supply, I send genesis account (account for redeem) to them for tracking circulation supply. They implemented yet.
Conimarketcap ranking all coins with market cap, market cap calculating with circulation supply. Now Elastic is on rank 74 Smiley
I hope we will see 400m $ market cap soon.. Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
Ben2016
Coinmarketcap has added Elastic.

Rank 733 for now, there is too much room for growth.
Hi Bob, I thought it said Rank 79 .
full member
Activity: 206
Merit: 106
Old Account was Sev0 (it was hacked)
Coinmarketcap has added Elastic.

Rank 733 for now, there is too much room for growth.
It has such a bad ranking because the calculation is wrong.
It's (nearly) the same they are doing with IoP - I don't understand why they don't calculate:
Price x Max.Coins = Mktcap
Than we would be in the top 50
legendary
Activity: 1232
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Coinmarketcap has added Elastic.

Rank 733 for now, there is too much room for growth.
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 513
XEL doesn't even have a current white paper and people think it's worth $30m? That's just plain idiocy. They can't even put together a functional website -- most of their links just go straight to GitHub. No team page. No FAQ. Abandoned by the original dev. It looks like a bad joke.

You really must be one very desperate person. If this is a bad joke to you, then what the hell are you still doing here? There must be something at least that holds you here? What is it?

Aw, come on, it's healthy for a project to have at least one house troll. Interestingly enough, I don't see any posts from this person at SONM or other DEXputer* projects.

*Hey, I think, I just found the worlds stupidest abbreviation!
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1168
XEL doesn't even have a current white paper and people think it's worth $30m? That's just plain idiocy. They can't even put together a functional website -- most of their links just go straight to GitHub. No team page. No FAQ. Abandoned by the original dev. It looks like a bad joke.

You really must be one very desperate person. If this is a bad joke to you, then what the hell are you still doing here? There must be something at least that holds you here? What is it?
copper member
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hero member
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Can anyone give me a TL;DR of this Heat Ledger thing? What does is do and how does it work?
legendary
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So many FUD and low-ballers here. Don't listen to newbie and jr.accounts. Remember that elastic donation period was at the beginning of the 2016 till augost 2016. Check registration of the person who could donate during this period. Don't wonna check this thread anymore cause of too much FUD from newbies about gridcoin(don't even know about it). Just one person made several account and talking about gridcoin. Be careful!

Calling valid criticism "FUD" makes you look desperate and insecure. It shows that you can't form a rational counter-argument. And the fact that you don't even know what GridCoin is (a well-known distributed computing project based on BOINC and already traded on the biggest exchanges) shows how woefully uninformed you are.

I've asked what makes XEL better than Golem and the response was nothing but outdated misinformation. That's not a good sign for XEL. When there's already a goliath in the market doing exactly what you plan to do and you can't explain why you're better or different, you have a problem. The fact that EK doesn't even seem to understand Golem is even worse. His canned response is still "But they're just doing Blender rendering!"

XEL doesn't even have a current white paper and people think it's worth $30m? That's just plain idiocy. They can't even put together a functional website -- most of their links just go straight to GitHub. No team page. No FAQ. Abandoned by the original dev. It looks like a bad joke.

This has all the hallmarks of a doomed project or a thinly veiled cash grab.
What's your main account? I know it's your fake account man. You just made several account and spamming here your Gridcoin. Did you see me spamming at gridcoin's thread? Just open official website elastic.pw and find info you need. Person above made special gift for you copying info from website.

He literally just copied a page from Golem. All that does is prove my point.

Golem is the 500 million dollar gorilla in the room, and XEL is just another scamcoin with an anonymous dev who's waiting to run away with a handful of cash. Too bad you'll never get listed on a real exchange because anyone with an ounce of sense can smell this pile of garbage from a mile away.
yea, and thats why so many trusted users are supporting this project. you know there are actually some of us that want to see this "supercomputer" thing done and move crypto to next level, and dont actually care about money. for now everything goes in XEL favor..
reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLUffrveXxK6lNyYwYjNcUpbbaQaJZ0XSU&v=oo4bn550YEk
member
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So many FUD and low-ballers here. Don't listen to newbie and jr.accounts. Remember that elastic donation period was at the beginning of the 2016 till augost 2016. Check registration of the person who could donate during this period. Don't wonna check this thread anymore cause of too much FUD from newbies about gridcoin(don't even know about it). Just one person made several account and talking about gridcoin. Be careful!

Calling valid criticism "FUD" makes you look desperate and insecure. It shows that you can't form a rational counter-argument. And the fact that you don't even know what GridCoin is (a well-known distributed computing project based on BOINC and already traded on the biggest exchanges) shows how woefully uninformed you are.

I've asked what makes XEL better than Golem and the response was nothing but outdated misinformation. That's not a good sign for XEL. When there's already a goliath in the market doing exactly what you plan to do and you can't explain why you're better or different, you have a problem. The fact that EK doesn't even seem to understand Golem is even worse. His canned response is still "But they're just doing Blender rendering!"

XEL doesn't even have a current white paper and people think it's worth $30m? That's just plain idiocy. They can't even put together a functional website -- most of their links just go straight to GitHub. No team page. No FAQ. Abandoned by the original dev. It looks like a bad joke.

This has all the hallmarks of a doomed project or a thinly veiled cash grab.
What's your main account? I know it's your fake account man. You just made several account and spamming here your Gridcoin. Did you see me spamming at gridcoin's thread? Just open official website elastic.pw and find info you need. Person above made special gift for you copying info from website.

He literally just copied a page from Golem. All that does is prove my point.

Golem is the 500 million dollar gorilla in the room, and XEL is just another scamcoin with an anonymous dev who's waiting to run away with a handful of cash. Too bad you'll never get listed on a real exchange because anyone with an ounce of sense can smell this pile of garbage from a mile away.
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 513
@aleksand,

read the post I made before carefully Wink

But thank you for proving my point Grin
legendary
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
So many FUD and low-ballers here. Don't listen to newbie and jr.accounts. Remember that elastic donation period was at the beginning of the 2016 till augost 2016. Check registration of the person who could donate during this period. Don't wonna check this thread anymore cause of too much FUD from newbies about gridcoin(don't even know about it). Just one person made several account and talking about gridcoin. Be careful!

Calling valid criticism "FUD" makes you look desperate and insecure. It shows that you can't form a rational counter-argument. And the fact that you don't even know what GridCoin is (a well-known distributed computing project based on BOINC and already traded on the biggest exchanges) shows how woefully uninformed you are.

I've asked what makes XEL better than Golem and the response was nothing but outdated misinformation. That's not a good sign for XEL. When there's already a goliath in the market doing exactly what you plan to do and you can't explain why you're better or different, you have a problem. The fact that EK doesn't even seem to understand Golem is even worse. His canned response is still "But they're just doing Blender rendering!"

XEL doesn't even have a current white paper and people think it's worth $30m? That's just plain idiocy. They can't even put together a functional website -- most of their links just go straight to GitHub. No team page. No FAQ. Abandoned by the original dev. It looks like a bad joke.

This has all the hallmarks of a doomed project or a thinly veiled cash grab.
What's your main account? I know it's your fake account man. You just made several account and spamming here your Gridcoin. Did you see me spamming at gridcoin's thread? Just open official website elastic.pw and find info you need. Person above made special gift for you copying info from website.
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 513
I think this post pretty much sums up the state of mind of the Elastic community:

Quote
On Competition, Technology, and Prices, or, Why We Do Not Speak About The Others

On the 11th of November, 2016, the great Ethereum community funded Golem project, placing their trust in us to deliver technology to change the way the entire market for computation is organised. Even more impressively, it seems the community even shared our goal of building a better, more decentralised Internet on top of this already ambitious goal. Thus our focus is on delivering technology, and the sustainable business model that would surround it. This means our focus is not on many other things community sometimes expects us to do, and I’d like to explain what those things are, and why we ignore them.
Golem competitors and their ICOs/crowdfundings

    Subject: [contact] (name of the project) takes over Golem

    Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:36:52 +0200

    From: (name)@gmail.com

    To: [email protected]

    Hey People,

    Are you going to write something on the various crypto news channels or you are gonna let eat (name of the project) you alive.
     Investers will be running through the door to them if you keep silent on those channels.
     Writting text isn’t that hard else people like me will be dumping gnt and go for their ico tomorrow.

It is our policy that, wherever possible, we simply do not engage in discussions with our competitors, especially those which are in a pre-crowdfunding phase. We are not doing that, because we see it as a waste of our valuable time. Again, we have to focus on delivering this technology. Our self-proclaimed competitors are focused on showing how they are different and superior to Golem. This is an obvious strategy, as there is no need to fund a project which would be exactly the same or even inferior to Golem. The truth is however, that both Golem and others will struggle to manifest this vision, because it is hard. Have we solved all the problems? Not yet, we’re working on it. Have they? I do not think so and have not seen anything which would change my mind. And besides, if they have solved anything, they could just launch it; there would be no need for crowdfunding.

Make no mistake: we are researching in detail every project around that we think might be interesting and valuable for us. We are already forming partnerships with great teams to work together on decentralised technologies. I believe there is always scope to cooperate, if the other party (even your competitor!) acts reasonable. I also believe that most of the teams working on similar technologies are legitimate, and some may eventually do better than Golem (of course I believe we are the best, but I am biased). I also think that sometimes, some of the project fail to communicate responsibly what their technology is, and even what Golem is — either because they have not researched the technology, or because they wish to create hype and FUD around some ICO. But, if that is often the case, why do we not engage in the discussion?
Communication to speculators does not matter

We do not do that because communication to traders and speculators is not that important to the actual development and adoption of our core technology. All the communication around ICOs and prices is communication to people interested in ICOs and prices. This group is not relevant for the adoption of projects like Golem. We either go mainstream, which is to say, we become successful at minimum in some interesting sub-communities outside of the blockchain space, or we die. And on the contrary, entering into irrelevant discussions on nonsensical statements (or true statements we have commented 10 times already) is simply a waste of our time. At this stage of the project, we owe ourselves and our community two things: regular information about our progress, and a business development and communications strategy for the broader world.
Price discussions are harmful

What I said above is even more true for the discussions around the price of GNT. A week ago I was asked to comment at a conference on prices. If you think about that, there is no way I can give a good answer. Regardless of what I say, it will be be misinterpreted by some, and not understood by others. It will result in a mess, and then an even larger mess when I will try to explain what I mean, which will itself be misinterpreted and misunderstood. I will waste a lot of time, the project will lose credibility, and that all for no gain whatsoever. About entering discussions on the ICOs and crowdfunding events of our competitors, we see it as more or less the same.
This is all about technology

What we are doing here is creating cutting-edge technology, and then pushing it to mainstream, practical use, as fast and hard as we can. Honestly I believe that we can do that — I know that this is what we are going to do. Thus, discussing how to achieve that is generally perceived by us as a better use of our time, certainly better than discussing other teams’ blog posts. And if this latter discussion is a process purely driven by ICO logic, then this is really not useful.

Source:

https://blog.golemproject.net/on-competition-technology-and-prices-or-why-we-do-not-speak-about-the-others-b3d40adbb994

Wink


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(…)doing exactly what you plan to do(…)

I think you got it the other way around there, buddy.

Nobody bothers to look at golem, that's why nobody answers. We are not in competition with them.

Do they have a working product? XEL does. Admittedly, "working" as in proof-of-concept-state, but still.

Last time I checked, which is a few months ago, Golem and Elastic were designed for different usecases; Golem for things like rendering and so on, Elastic for things which are, for lack of a better term, bruteforceable. Maybe they updated their roadmap since then, I don't know and I don't care.

And with that, welcome to my ignore list.

Golem and GridCoin both have working products that have completed projects.

The ignorance here is stunning.

You all stay inside your little bubble where everyone agrees with you and can't handle any criticism, and you don't even have the slightest clue about XEL's competitors.
newbie
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Yesterday when I offered around 16k sats per XEL I got 6 offers and due to that I raised it to 18k and most where happy to do the trade. Today I am seeing quite a few people wanting to buy around 20k.

I am selling 5-8k as I want to keep a few XEL for myself. I am selling at 22k sats each. PM if interested.

I think below 20k XEL is undervalued but above 25k is overvalued. That's why I am going with a price in between.

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