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Quote from: yatsey87 on February 11, 2014, 02:45:18 PM

Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 02:44:18 PM

Quote from: Karasugoi on February 11, 2014, 02:42:34 PM

What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.

That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

Some people tend to think you can only use paper wallets once for some reason.

You shouldn't re use a paper wallet after you import it into QT client and SPEND. This is because the QT client sends the change to a new address. So if you assume it went back to the original address, and then deleted the QT wallet you will lose coins.

You can receive an unlimited number of transactions TO a paper wallet. They wouldn't be very useful otherwise. Someone sending you can extra satoshi will do absolutely no harm to a paper wallet. Unless some miner is very generous it is very likely the tx will never confirm anyways and will eventually be dropped by the network.

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 11, 2014, 02:07:58 PM

Quote from: dyask on February 11, 2014, 12:45:58 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on February 11, 2014, 09:50:24 AM

I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem. One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions. Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets. Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?

What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

Dusting is just creating a lot of very small transactions. It wastes space in the block chain with these dust transactions that still take up room. I'm not clear on all the applications of it. There are some theories on how it could be used to help track a wallet back to an IP. Another use might be to try to build a list of valid address. In theory one could generate private keys and see if they match any of the list of known wallets. If you get a hit you have a valid private key. That approach is unlikely to work, but it doesn't stop someone from trying.

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Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 02:44:18 PM

Quote from: Karasugoi on February 11, 2014, 02:42:34 PM

What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.

That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

It isn't BS. It depends on the software being used. At least two places now are broken because of this unconfirmed transaction. (Likely many more. We shouldn't assume all software handles this fine.)

1) At scrypt.cc I was trying to make a deposit and it was blocked by this kind of unconfirmed transaction. Granted they need to fix their end. They manually funded my account and changed my wallet. (Real painful, but they were very responsive)
2) There have been reports that the unconfirmed transaction blocks the blockchain.info sweep feature used with paper wallets.

Basically this unwanted satoshi spam isn't harmless. These can be worked around but a naive user may get blocked.

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Quote from: fishseeds on February 10, 2014, 10:17:40 PM

Quote from: Mike@Coinswag on February 10, 2014, 04:09:33 PM

This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

I saw a post on reddit the other day asking about deposits from enjoy and sochi addresses. Like tiny amounts. Someone replied and said that who ever is doing that is "dusting" the network for adresses. I am not sure what he meant and he didn't reply but i would still be vigilant. Maybe someone on the forum knows what "dusting" is.

It means making the environment (i.e blockchain, in this case) foggy. But it wont affect the blockchain as it might look to a newbie person.

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Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 02:44:18 PM

Quote from: Karasugoi on February 11, 2014, 02:42:34 PM

What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.

That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

Some people tend to think you can only use paper wallets once for some reason.

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Quote from: Karasugoi on February 11, 2014, 02:42:34 PM

What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.

That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on February 11, 2014, 02:19:11 PM

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 11, 2014, 02:07:58 PM

Quote from: dyask on February 11, 2014, 12:45:58 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on February 11, 2014, 09:50:24 AM

I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem. One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions. Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets. Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?

What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

He has no idea.

Someone sending you money isn't an attack. It might be annoying but it isn't an attack, otherwise people would attack each other by sending them pennies in the mail.

When you think about it a Bitcoin address is very much like a postal address. You can't prevent someone from sending you mail, you can't prevent someone from sending you money in the mail, you can't prevent someone from sending bitcoins to an address that is public (and any address you ever received funds from is public).

What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 11, 2014, 02:07:58 PM

Quote from: dyask on February 11, 2014, 12:45:58 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on February 11, 2014, 09:50:24 AM

I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem. One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions. Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets. Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?

What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

He has no idea.

Someone sending you money isn't an attack. It might be annoying but it isn't an attack, otherwise people would attack each other by sending them pennies in the mail.

When you think about it a Bitcoin address is very much like a postal address. You can't prevent someone from sending you mail, you can't prevent someone from sending you money in the mail, you can't prevent someone from sending bitcoins to an address that is public (and any address you ever received funds from is public).

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Quote from: dyask on February 11, 2014, 12:45:58 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on February 11, 2014, 09:50:24 AM

I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem. One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions. Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets. Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?

What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

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Quote from: b!z on February 11, 2014, 07:04:23 AM

I got a free fraction of a cent.

So did I!!

I received a payment from 1Enjoy to my phone wallet, this is a new phone and has only been used about a handful of times.
I payment came just after i revived a payment in person from someone, it was most strange.

I sent all the balance - the payment to an exchange and sold them. Going to delete the phone wallet with the unconfirmed payment now.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on February 11, 2014, 09:58:23 AM

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 11, 2014, 09:57:41 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 09:51:05 AM

This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

It is interfering with normal transactions. Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on February 11, 2014, 09:50:24 AM

Quote from: ockelz on February 11, 2014, 08:56:59 AM

After "Enjoy & Sochi" I now also got spammed by "Play and Win BTC" directly after receiving a payment ...

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/53c763d7a835b67eac1db411300bfcb709105748892c5f5b50d415b061636185
https://blockchain.info/address/1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn

I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem. One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions. Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets. Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?

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Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 10:02:02 AM

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 11, 2014, 09:57:41 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 09:51:05 AM

This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

Well, someone could keep track of the Bitcoins or try and figure out to whom that address belongs, but that's about it I guess. I wouldn't worry about it.

I don't understand how they could do that? Huh

Is there a link anywhere explaining how it's possible?

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 11, 2014, 09:57:41 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 09:51:05 AM

This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

Well, someone could keep track of the Bitcoins or try and figure out to whom that address belongs, but that's about it I guess. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Its kind of annoying. I cant sweep paper wallets because of unconfirmed transactions. I have to add Watch Only and spend from there but whatever I guess.

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 11, 2014, 09:57:41 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 09:51:05 AM

This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

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Quote from: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 09:51:05 AM

This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

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Quote from: ockelz on February 11, 2014, 08:56:59 AM

After "Enjoy & Sochi" I now also got spammed by "Play and Win BTC" directly after receiving a payment ...

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/53c763d7a835b67eac1db411300bfcb709105748892c5f5b50d415b061636185
https://blockchain.info/address/1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn

I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

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BTW: Is a transaction that doesn't not match the fee requirement also considered as a non standard tx?

It's not as far as I know.

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