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Quote from: dezoel on May 25, 2023, 04:52:52 PM

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PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.

Who knows what the problems really were, but for him this was usually a good start into his career as a coach. I think being the coach of PSV gives you access to a squad and a league where you can learn a lot. If he didn't have support from the board, that is another issue. But now I wonder what his next stop will be as a coach. But since he had a great career as a player as well it shouldn't be too hard for him to find something appropriate.

He resigned before last round match even his team is at second spot and have good chance for staying here with Ajax is going to visit Twente and have chance to win but PSV which is going to visit Alkmaar for their last game against AZ Alkmaar is also going to have chance for the better result but PSV board is not happy, so they announce this all and end first year as coach on high note.

From here if PSV lost then surely we can blame board for this because they need to do things like these after end of season right now before last match surely this is disturbing for all team, but things could be good in new season because now both top teams are having overhaul in squads with new coaches hopefully they will fight back for the top ranks or Feyenoord will not allow them for having any chance again with their performance and quality.

Undoubtedly, Ruud Van Nistelrooy had a good season with the PSV club and his relationship with his players has also been exceptional because one can visibly tell about his friendliness with his players judging by they do play out their hearts for the manager during games.
However, every manager would certainly want to manage a club whose board are solidly behind him by having confidence and unwavering support for as well. Ruud Van Nistelrooy feels he doesn't have the backing of the board and that's why he's decided to leave at the end of the season

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Quote from: shogun47 on May 25, 2023, 07:59:43 AM

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PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.

Who knows what the problems really were, but for him this was usually a good start into his career as a coach. I think being the coach of PSV gives you access to a squad and a league where you can learn a lot. If he didn't have support from the board, that is another issue. But now I wonder what his next stop will be as a coach. But since he had a great career as a player as well it shouldn't be too hard for him to find something appropriate.

He resigned before last round match even his team is at second spot and have good chance for staying here with Ajax is going to visit Twente and have chance to win but PSV which is going to visit Alkmaar for their last game against AZ Alkmaar is also going to have chance for the better result but PSV board is not happy, so they announce this all and end first year as coach on high note.

From here if PSV lost then surely we can blame board for this because they need to do things like these after end of season right now before last match surely this is disturbing for all team, but things could be good in new season because now both top teams are having overhaul in squads with new coaches hopefully they will fight back for the top ranks or Feyenoord will not allow them for having any chance again with their performance and quality.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 24, 2023, 04:59:56 PM

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will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Emmen is stuck in position, and will play for survival with play-off champions from Second division, maybe Breda or Willem II will return to top division, would be nice to see them back

PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.

Who knows what the problems really were, but for him this was usually a good start into his career as a coach. I think being the coach of PSV gives you access to a squad and a league where you can learn a lot. If he didn't have support from the board, that is another issue. But now I wonder what his next stop will be as a coach. But since he had a great career as a player as well it shouldn't be too hard for him to find something appropriate.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 24, 2023, 04:59:56 PM

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will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Emmen is stuck in position, and will play for survival with play-off champions from Second division, maybe Breda or Willem II will return to top division, would be nice to see them back

PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.

Ohh man i dont have that new!, what and why cause his dimission, i dont see he can make so much with that team.

But well he had his chance to show how good manager is, or not....

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Quote from: casperBGD on May 24, 2023, 06:06:36 AM

will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Emmen is stuck in position, and will play for survival with play-off champions from Second division, maybe Breda or Willem II will return to top division, would be nice to see them back

PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on May 24, 2023, 04:52:19 AM

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Should AZ win and Ajax win, second place is still possible for Ajax.

will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Emmen is stuck in position, and will play for survival with play-off champions from Second division, maybe Breda or Willem II will return to top division, would be nice to see them back

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Quote from: uswa56 on May 22, 2023, 06:35:53 AM

after 3 successive seasons Ajax controlled the Eredivisie but this season Feyenoord managed to break that domination, it's true this was not a good season for Ajax and PSV but besides that it must be admitted that Feyenoord this season was extraordinary, they made the longest team record ever undefeated this season, Feyenoord had to wait 6 long years to finally win again this season, a 3-goal victory over Go Ahead Eagles confirmed Feyenoord as Eredivisie champions this season because it was impossible for their points to be overtaken by PSV and also Ajax.

in one last game all possibilities are possible because Ajax and AZ are only 2 points different, but I don't think that Ajax will fail in their last match.

Feyenoord had an outstanding season and got about the same amount of points as Ajax last year, two years ago Feyenoord would not have become champion with the current amount of points, Ajax is definitely weaker this season than the last seasons. But Feyenoord is still (as already mentioned) deserved champion this season, but I assume that Ajax and PSV (especially Ajax) will strengthen a lot in the summer, because of the many sales there should be many millions available.

Should AZ win and Ajax win, second place is still possible for Ajax.

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Quote from: uswa56 on May 22, 2023, 06:35:53 AM

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PSV and Ajax are both not having a great season. But it all seemed to work out for PSV because they managed to win the cup and would be no less than 5 points ahead of Ajax. That difference has been reduced to 3 points after today, and those 3 points could still get PSV into trouble next week when they visit AZ. PSV still has the best chances to reach the CL, but let's not forget that AZ can still qualify for the EL, and that way Ajax can still be relegated to the Conference League. All scenarios are therefore still possible at the moment.

after 3 successive seasons Ajax controlled the Eredivisie but this season Feyenoord managed to break that domination, it's true this was not a good season for Ajax and PSV but besides that it must be admitted that Feyenoord this season was extraordinary, they made the longest team record ever undefeated this season, Feyenoord had to wait 6 long years to finally win again this season, a 3-goal victory over Go Ahead Eagles confirmed Feyenoord as Eredivisie champions this season because it was impossible for their points to be overtaken by PSV and also Ajax.

in one last game all possibilities are possible because Ajax and AZ are only 2 points different, but I don't think that Ajax will fail in their last match.

This was certainly a strong and also very refreshing performance from one of Ajax's competitors. It was time that something like that happens.

I did watch some of the Feyenoord games and liked their style a lot. The way they got eliminated from the Europa League against Roma was quite unlucky and both games taken together, Feyenoord would have deserved their spot in the semifinal (and perhaps now in the final). I think that the games in the semifinal with Feyenoord would have been more interesting than the one between Roma and Leverkusen.

But now we will wait and see whether this was an exception or whether Feyenoord will be able to keep competing with Ajax and PSV in the coming years.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 03:01:33 PM

PSV and Ajax are both not having a great season. But it all seemed to work out for PSV because they managed to win the cup and would be no less than 5 points ahead of Ajax. That difference has been reduced to 3 points after today, and those 3 points could still get PSV into trouble next week when they visit AZ. PSV still has the best chances to reach the CL, but let's not forget that AZ can still qualify for the EL, and that way Ajax can still be relegated to the Conference League. All scenarios are therefore still possible at the moment.

after 3 successive seasons Ajax controlled the Eredivisie but this season Feyenoord managed to break that domination, it's true this was not a good season for Ajax and PSV but besides that it must be admitted that Feyenoord this season was extraordinary, they made the longest team record ever undefeated this season, Feyenoord had to wait 6 long years to finally win again this season, a 3-goal victory over Go Ahead Eagles confirmed Feyenoord as Eredivisie champions this season because it was impossible for their points to be overtaken by PSV and also Ajax.

in one last game all possibilities are possible because Ajax and AZ are only 2 points different, but I don't think that Ajax will fail in their last match.

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In any case, PSV managed to achieve an important draw against Heerenveen. But the fact that you are behind 1-3 at home against Heerenveen does indicate that something is structurally wrong at PSV. Otherwise you should be able to win easily in your own stadium normally. Next week we will have an exciting denouement, isn't that what we all want in the competition? Feyenoord was very good. But under a new trainer it will fall like a house of cards. So don't appoint Dirk Kuyt

PSV was lucky for the draw and the penalty in the 85th minute, for PSV it will be a difficult game against AZ, AZ wants or needs to win to catch Ajax, for PSV a draw would be enough. Of course, Ajax have to win their game first.

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 03:01:33 PM

PSV and Ajax are both not having a great season. But it all seemed to work out for PSV because they managed to win the cup and would be no less than 5 points ahead of Ajax. That difference has been reduced to 3 points after today, and those 3 points could still get PSV into trouble next week when they visit AZ. PSV still has the best chances to reach the CL, but let's not forget that AZ can still qualify for the EL, and that way Ajax can still be relegated to the Conference League. All scenarios are therefore still possible at the moment.

I agree, Ajax and PSV have an average season, both teams have an average of 10 points less than in the last seasons, only Feyenoord is above the 80 points and therefore deserved to be champions.

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PSV and Ajax are both not having a great season. But it all seemed to work out for PSV because they managed to win the cup and would be no less than 5 points ahead of Ajax. That difference has been reduced to 3 points after today, and those 3 points could still get PSV into trouble next week when they visit AZ. PSV still has the best chances to reach the CL, but let's not forget that AZ can still qualify for the EL, and that way Ajax can still be relegated to the Conference League. All scenarios are therefore still possible at the moment.

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Unexpectedly, we still get an exciting final round in the battle for places 2, 3 and 4. It could be that Ajax will still play conference League and PSV is lucky that it still managed a 3-3 draw to obtain. So the cards have not yet been shuffled for the next round, the final game. PSV does have a tough opponent in the form of AZ, which was eliminated this week in the conference league. Ajax to the conference league, that would be a big failure for the club and the end for van der Sar as general manager?

If PSV lose to AZ and Ajax win, Ajax could even finish second, but Ajax could also finish fourth if AZ win and Ajax lose. So a very exciting last round in the Eredivisie. Nobody expected that in the last round so much is possible, Ajax from second to fourth place everything is possible.

Conferece league would be a disappointment for Ajax in any case, even if the chances to win it would be high.

It's going to be a strange ending indeed. Nobody is sure of a certain competition, except Feyenoord. If PSV misses the CL next week, they will have missed it against Heerenveen today. And it is a conceivable scenario, because when you visit AZ you can easily run into a defeat. Then you go play the EL. Ajax has a huge budget, I think that with the right trainer they can play a significant role in the CL next season. PSV does not belong there. Only Feyenoord was really mega good this season and won convincingly in the end. Not a great last game, but who cares if you're already champion anyway?

In any case, PSV managed to achieve an important draw against Heerenveen. But the fact that you are behind 1-3 at home against Heerenveen does indicate that something is structurally wrong at PSV. Otherwise you should be able to win easily in your own stadium normally. Next week we will have an exciting denouement, isn't that what we all want in the competition? Feyenoord was very good. But under a new trainer it will fall like a house of cards. So don't appoint Dirk Kuyt

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Unexpectedly, we still get an exciting final round in the battle for places 2, 3 and 4. It could be that Ajax will still play conference League and PSV is lucky that it still managed a 3-3 draw to obtain. So the cards have not yet been shuffled for the next round, the final game. PSV does have a tough opponent in the form of AZ, which was eliminated this week in the conference league. Ajax to the conference league, that would be a big failure for the club and the end for van der Sar as general manager?

If PSV lose to AZ and Ajax win, Ajax could even finish second, but Ajax could also finish fourth if AZ win and Ajax lose. So a very exciting last round in the Eredivisie. Nobody expected that in the last round so much is possible, Ajax from second to fourth place everything is possible.

Conferece league would be a disappointment for Ajax in any case, even if the chances to win it would be high.

It's going to be a strange ending indeed. Nobody is sure of a certain competition, except Feyenoord. If PSV misses the CL next week, they will have missed it against Heerenveen today. And it is a conceivable scenario, because when you visit AZ you can easily run into a defeat. Then you go play the EL. Ajax has a huge budget, I think that with the right trainer they can play a significant role in the CL next season. PSV does not belong there. Only Feyenoord was really mega good this season and won convincingly in the end. Not a great last game, but who cares if you're already champion anyway?

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Unexpectedly, we still get an exciting final round in the battle for places 2, 3 and 4. It could be that Ajax will still play conference League and PSV is lucky that it still managed a 3-3 draw to obtain. So the cards have not yet been shuffled for the next round, the final game. PSV does have a tough opponent in the form of AZ, which was eliminated this week in the conference league. Ajax to the conference league, that would be a big failure for the club and the end for van der Sar as general manager?

If PSV lose to AZ and Ajax win, Ajax could even finish second, but Ajax could also finish fourth if AZ win and Ajax lose. So a very exciting last round in the Eredivisie. Nobody expected that in the last round so much is possible, Ajax from second to fourth place everything is possible.

Conferece league would be a disappointment for Ajax in any case, even if the chances to win it would be high.

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Unexpectedly, we still get an exciting final round in the battle for places 2, 3 and 4. It could be that Ajax will still play conference League and PSV is lucky that it still managed a 3-3 draw to obtain. So the cards have not yet been shuffled for the next round, the final game. PSV does have a tough opponent in the form of AZ, which was eliminated this week in the conference league. Ajax to the conference league, that would be a big failure for the club and the end for van der Sar as general manager?

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What a last round for european spots we are gonna have.

Ajax still a last chance to catch PSV after PSV draw today.

An AZ last chance to catch Ajax....

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Quote from: Koal-84 on May 21, 2023, 04:20:16 AM

Feyenoord are already champion, but a win for PSV today will secure them the runners-up spot and a place in the Champions League qualifiers.

Ajax will have a tougher game than AZ today, with a win for AZ possibly overtake them if Ajax lose or draw.

This would be really bad for Ajax if they even miss the Europa League qualification games. The Conference League isn't enough for them. It could lead to several players leaving the club or deciding against joining Ajax. Especially the young talents that usually choose Ajax as a first step on their way to a big international career could then decide against it because they need the European stages to present themselves. But the Conference League isn't quite the competition where you want to show to others what you are able to do as a player.

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Feyenoord are already champion, but a win for PSV today will secure them the runners-up spot and a place in the Champions League qualifiers.

Ajax will have a tougher game than AZ today, with a win for AZ possibly overtake them if Ajax lose or draw.

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So Ajax have to step up a gear after the abandonment of the match and now at the new staging against the relegated team, currently 1:1 at half time, this is clearly too little if they want to be third in the league.

PSV and AZ won their matches at the weekend easy.

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Ajax being third is not a success for them, just because AZ went ahead for a bit that they may have to win a game or they will be fourth type of situation they are in, doesn't mean that getting back on third will be anything good, it is going to hurt everyone anyway. Ajax needs to recover quickly, this isn't a good look for them, not a team with this much history and wide spread scouting network neither, they need to be a lot better.

I personally believe that Feyenoord will keep the streak going and win another one next season, because Ajax do not have a clear roadmap to become better, need a better manager and need to replace the players with better ones, that is not a single season thing and it will take at least another season for them to get better.

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