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Quote from: harapan on April 13, 2023, 01:04:14 PM

I agree with this. Feyenoord really deserve this. They have been the most consistent team in the league all season long. Ajax and PSV just picked up their form almost halfway into the season. Both Ajax and PSV can't catch up with Feyenoord anymore, it would take a miracle for that to happen.
They will have to fight for the second position. The second position makes it to the champions league play-off and since every team wants to be in the biggest competition in Europe, they'll fight hard for it.
Game week 30 might be the decider because that's when PSV and Ajax will face off. I feel the winner of that match might hold on to the second position and I have a feeling it would be Ajax.

I think the same, second place in the Eredivisie means a lot, second place means Champions League play-offs and if you go further it's a lot of millions, I don't know exactly but what international starting place does the cup winner get?

Feyenoord are in a good position in the Europa League, 1-0 is not a big advantage, but promotion is definitely possible.

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Quote from: harapan on April 13, 2023, 01:04:14 PM

Game week 30 might be the decider because that's when PSV and Ajax will face off. I feel the winner of that match might hold on to the second position and I have a feeling it would be Ajax.

In the weeks leading up to the end of the season, every remain match will be important as it will determine each team's position in the standings.
Ajax and PSV will meet in the 30th match next week, in the near future the two will also meet again in the KNVB Cup Final, it seems that one of the two will have to choose between the Eredivisie or the KNVB Cup because that will certainly very drain for players' energy and both Ajax and PSV need to focus on that

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 11, 2023, 04:05:11 AM

For me, Feyenoord are as good as champions, but they also deserve it, unlike Ajax and PSV, who have simply been too weak this year. In the round after next (round 30) there will probably be a small run-off for second place when PSV play against Ajax. I don't think AZ can catch up with PSV and Ajax again.

I agree with this. Feyenoord really deserve this. They have been the most consistent team in the league all season long. Ajax and PSV just picked up their form almost halfway into the season. Both Ajax and PSV can't catch up with Feyenoord anymore, it would take a miracle for that to happen.
They will have to fight for the second position. The second position makes it to the champions league play-off and since every team wants to be in the biggest competition in Europe, they'll fight hard for it.
Game week 30 might be the decider because that's when PSV and Ajax will face off. I feel the winner of that match might hold on to the second position and I have a feeling it would be Ajax.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on April 11, 2023, 06:21:37 PM

I was looking into the remaining fixture of Feyenoord and, they have a really good one ahead, they play basically against all low or mid low table teams, so they have 89% of the title in their pockets, if they dont make any stupid their are gonna be champions and with a few rounds remaining.

I also think they can make some mixing on the team to put more important players in Europa League.

The only thinf im afraid its.... next season UCL, i hope they dont make a ridiculous performance.

Right now, as we have only 6 matches remaining in this season most chances Feyenoord will not do any stupid mistake which will cost them title because they are leading by eight points and remaining matches are not tough as PSV and Ajax having for the second and third spot with most chances any team is surely going to lose chance for the Champions League most chances Ajax will be better in last few weeks and go through for their chances and PSV will again in Europa Cup as they already play in this season.

Now we are already in important match between Feyenoord vs Roma which is playing at De Kuip Rotterdam after 15 minutes of play both teams are unable to create any solid attack, hopefully in coming minutes we will have some better action from these two teams which are looking for spot into last four.

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There is only one team in the Erdivisie that is entitled to the title and that is Feyenoord. Ajax cannot be recognized in any fields or roads. Heitinga can't change this either, but we can't blame him. He has only trained the 2nd team of Ajax, so little experience. PSV has Xavi Simons, but he will also leave in the summer. The question is who will come second. It would be a stunt if AZ managed to finish 2nd, that would be a nice financial injection for AZ. Ajax has spent ten million on players, but this is the worst year in 10 years. Maybe they should have brought back Marc Overmars, even though negative things have happened around him. There is now too much at stake and the club seems to collapse without Overmars.

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I was looking into the remaining fixture of Feyenoord and, they have a really good one ahead, they play basically against all low or mid low table teams, so they have 89% of the title in their pockets, if they dont make any stupid their are gonna be champions and with a few rounds remaining.

I also think they can make some mixing on the team to put more important players in Europa League.

The only thinf im afraid its.... next season UCL, i hope they dont make a ridiculous performance.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 11, 2023, 04:05:11 AM

Quote from: Sirait on April 10, 2023, 05:30:04 AM

the competition between ajax and PSV for 2nd place is really running tight, after PSV won 4-0 over excelsior, ajax also won 4-0 from fortuna. because both teams won, the points for both were even, next week PSV will face Volendam while Ajax will face Emmen, it seems that the two will win again.

For me, Feyenoord are as good as champions, but they also deserve it, unlike Ajax and PSV, who have simply been too weak this year. In the round after next (round 30) there will probably be a small run-off for second place when PSV play against Ajax. I don't think AZ can catch up with PSV and Ajax again.

It is true that after the next games Ajax and PSV will play each other and that should be the decision maker. Whoever ends up winning that game could end up with the second position, even though we are not used to seeing Ajax like this and too accustomed to seeing them at the top, it is true that sometimes this happens and I am sure that with some moves that will happen in the long run, they will manage to get back.

They have the greatest county network in all of football world, no other team in the world has that, and they could potentially build a team that can dominate again and again because of that. Hopefully they can get the win next week and week after that and make sure they are at least second and not go down anymore.

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Quote from: Sirait on April 10, 2023, 05:30:04 AM

the competition between ajax and PSV for 2nd place is really running tight, after PSV won 4-0 over excelsior, ajax also won 4-0 from fortuna. because both teams won, the points for both were even, next week PSV will face Volendam while Ajax will face Emmen, it seems that the two will win again.

For me, Feyenoord are as good as champions, but they also deserve it, unlike Ajax and PSV, who have simply been too weak this year. In the round after next (round 30) there will probably be a small run-off for second place when PSV play against Ajax. I don't think AZ can catch up with PSV and Ajax again.

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I think AZ Alkmaar is out of the championship race with the defeat they received.Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV beat their rivals by 4 points this week.
Ajax and PSV won 4-0 while Feyenoord won 5-1.Feyenoord maintained the 8 point difference between them and their rivals and we must say that they did not let the difference close with 6 weeks to go.
I think Feyenoord will not give away the championship when they have come this far.

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Quote from: casperBGD on April 10, 2023, 03:08:34 AM

Feyenoord is closing to the title, 5:1 over RKC, and difference is again 8 points to second placed Ajax and PSV
six rounds to go, Feyenoord needs 11 points to secure title, should not be a big deal for them

Ajax and PSV will fight for second spot, AZ will obviously be fourth

against RKC, Feyenoord proved they are believing in successful finish for this season, 13 shots in first half, 6 on target, 3 goals, and RKC didn't have much to hope for in second half

That wasn't just a soccer game by Feyenoord Rotterdam, that was a demonstration that they are the only ones this season to go for the title. It was 5-0 already when they conceded their first goal. But this game was also a signal for Roma. Feyenoord isn't stopping for a second and in this shape I think that Feyenoord is a 55:45 favorite in the game. Roma hasn't been as stable whereas Feyenoord have lost their last game against Rennes in December 2022, and only one game afterwards in the KNVB against Ajax in the semifinals. That's a tough problem to solve for Roma. I think Feyenoord is going to make it.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 09, 2023, 03:49:20 AM

PSV has submitted yesterday and overtaken Ajax, Feyenoord can make today an important step towards the title, Ajax must win today not to lose the closure to PSV, it is at second place for the Champions League place, which is very important, not only sporting but also financially.

the competition between ajax and PSV for 2nd place is really running tight, after PSV won 4-0 over excelsior, ajax also won 4-0 from fortuna. because both teams won, the points for both were even, next week PSV will face Volendam while Ajax will face Emmen, it seems that the two will win again.

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Feyenoord is closing to the title, 5:1 over RKC, and difference is again 8 points to second placed Ajax and PSV
six rounds to go, Feyenoord needs 11 points to secure title, should not be a big deal for them

Ajax and PSV will fight for second spot, AZ will obviously be fourth

against RKC, Feyenoord proved they are believing in successful finish for this season, 13 shots in first half, 6 on target, 3 goals, and RKC didn't have much to hope for in second half

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Luckily for Feyenoord, they have sealed their position in goals and in points. Netherland Eredivisie is always favourable with an over 1 goal results. But today's own came with a humiliation, all coming from Ajax, Twente, and Feyenoord. But I'm so surprised about Emem who seems to have always been the goal-scoring team in the league but couldn't locate the back of the net in the Nijmegen clash. even with the high-scoring number, I think Ajax still needs to add up much consistency in their winning streak else they will be caught off guard by PSV.

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Quote from: Jossque on April 09, 2023, 05:33:25 PM

Ajax and Feyenoord did not make a mistake this week and got 3 points from their home matches and the point difference between them remained unchanged.We see that both teams beat their opponents with different results.First of all, if I have to start with the Ajax-Fortuna Sittard match, ajax put pressure from the first minutes and managed to turn the match in their favor by scoring an early goal in the 6th minute.Ajax, which showed its weight throughout the match, did not even give fortuna sittard a chance to score.I must say that it did not give many positions.
Feyenoord, on the other hand, actually broke the match with 3 goals between the 29th and 39th minutes in the first half.We can't say that the match was in the middle, but even though waalwijk wanted to be partners in the match, feyenoord didn't allow it.They scored 5 goals in 22 shots they took and it's really hard to stop Feyenoord.

Feyenoord flying high!

They are 8 points ahead of ajax the title defender ... they might break ajax record to have 5 times winning the league consecutively this time since 2018-2019 campaign. Solid winning from feyenoord hammering 5-1 waalwijk while ajax destroy fortuna sittatd 4-0. The title race still on though.

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Ajax and Feyenoord did not make a mistake this week and got 3 points from their home matches and the point difference between them remained unchanged.We see that both teams beat their opponents with different results.First of all, if I have to start with the Ajax-Fortuna Sittard match, ajax put pressure from the first minutes and managed to turn the match in their favor by scoring an early goal in the 6th minute.Ajax, which showed its weight throughout the match, did not even give fortuna sittard a chance to score.I must say that it did not give many positions.
Feyenoord, on the other hand, actually broke the match with 3 goals between the 29th and 39th minutes in the first half.We can't say that the match was in the middle, but even though waalwijk wanted to be partners in the match, feyenoord didn't allow it.They scored 5 goals in 22 shots they took and it's really hard to stop Feyenoord.

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Quote from: jaberwock on April 09, 2023, 10:31:52 AM

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you can't blame PSV or Ajax for letting those players go. As soon as the big clubs are waving with money there isn't much you can do when you are not among European's elite clubs financially. There are a couple of leagues and also especially some clubs that have been suffering from that for years if not even decades. They develop a supertalent into a star and of course want to keep the player, but game over as soon as your player is performing too well. The thing is that even the age is decreasing further and further and they don't even stay with those clubs until they are 23 or 24. They usually leave when they are 20 or even younger. That makes it hard for Ajax and similar clubs to build a team they can look forward with into the future.

That can't be the reason, I mean when you consider the fact that Ajax has been the farming team of bigger clubs in Europe and has been sending their players for years now, even after selling their best players, they replaced them with younger players and still won the title. But now looking at it today, they failed to do that because they did sell those players but couldn't replace them with great players once again, this time they failed to do that and it is definitely a big issue.

It is not going to be an easy decision to keep that going, but I feel like it is not something we can just say it's fine neither. Ajax needs to realize that they need to find better players for their club and should be doing better than this even after selling players.

Yes but it is a risky endeavor. It can work for a while and some clubs are actually very good at signing young players, developing them and then sell them for a lot of money because they have to sell them anyway. Why not make a good buck with them then? The system works amazingly well until it doesn't for a year. You can't always replace 1:1 and even if you could, you also have to have some luck that the player you are signing actually turns into the player you think he could be turning into. If it was certain already that a specific player is going to be a superstar, you probably couldn't buy him anymore anyway. Borussia Dortmund is such a club as well and so far they have managed it well, but it was not always the case that they could replace 1:1.

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Few surprises for PSV and Ajax, but nobody expected that. Leader Feyenoord is currently playing against RKC in De Kuip, in which I don't expect any problems. At the moment they are 5 points ahead and if they win that will be 8 points again. If we want to keep the title fight even a little bit exciting, RKC should score a result here tonight, but how realistic is the chance that that will happen? RKC has probably been happy for a long time that it is in 9th place and has therefore been safe in the fight against relegation football for a while.

Feyenoord has been at the top from the start and PSV and Feyenoord have not had any serious chances for the title this season. I think the turning point was in the Ajax - Feyenoord match with a 1-1 score, in which everyone expected Ajax to push through to equalize with Feyenoord. After all, Feyenoord's lead was only 3 points at that time. Then Ajax had the opportunity to repair the backlog, but unfortunately that did not work out. What else can you say about the competition? PSV, Ajax and AZ are all unstable, and no one is consistent enough. The fact is now that either Ajax or PSV will grab next to a CL ticket. That is a big blow from a financial point of view.

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Few surprises for PSV and Ajax, but nobody expected that. Leader Feyenoord is currently playing against RKC in De Kuip, in which I don't expect any problems. At the moment they are 5 points ahead and if they win that will be 8 points again. If we want to keep the title fight even a little bit exciting, RKC should score a result here tonight, but how realistic is the chance that that will happen? RKC has probably been happy for a long time that it is in 9th place and has therefore been safe in the fight against relegation football for a while.

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Quote from: shogun47 on April 08, 2023, 11:38:54 PM

you can't blame PSV or Ajax for letting those players go. As soon as the big clubs are waving with money there isn't much you can do when you are not among European's elite clubs financially. There are a couple of leagues and also especially some clubs that have been suffering from that for years if not even decades. They develop a supertalent into a star and of course want to keep the player, but game over as soon as your player is performing too well. The thing is that even the age is decreasing further and further and they don't even stay with those clubs until they are 23 or 24. They usually leave when they are 20 or even younger. That makes it hard for Ajax and similar clubs to build a team they can look forward with into the future.

That can't be the reason, I mean when you consider the fact that Ajax has been the farming team of bigger clubs in Europe and has been sending their players for years now, even after selling their best players, they replaced them with younger players and still won the title. But now looking at it today, they failed to do that because they did sell those players but couldn't replace them with great players once again, this time they failed to do that and it is definitely a big issue.

It is not going to be an easy decision to keep that going, but I feel like it is not something we can just say it's fine neither. Ajax needs to realize that they need to find better players for their club and should be doing better than this even after selling players.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on April 09, 2023, 03:49:20 AM

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Ajax must win today not to lose the closure to PSV, it is at second place for the Champions League place, which is very important, not only sporting but also financially.

at this point, and looking at Feyenoord gap on top, this is probably most important to PSV and Ajax, who will finish in CL position
financially, this could slide one of them down significantly, since CL money is pretty much bigger than EL money

PSV won, -5 to Feyenoord that has still to play against RKC, but they should not have problems to win, and get back to +8
Ajax against Sittard, should be a win too

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