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Quote from: boltz on November 18, 2023, 10:48:36 AM

OG - Secret quite the show so far right ? 1-1 on score and decider map looks in favor of Secret so far.

I also believe that Secret will qualify to this Major because this team have always found a way to actually win something every year and this is their last chance to actually do it. Odds are in favor of OG but I know for a fact that team fight do belong to Secret.

I’m not updated anymore on this 2 team due to the significant changes of their roster made while they are not already consider as power house on WEU unlike before. It’s surprising that Team Secret still performs well with pos 2 substitute. I’m not surprised that they hire Midone to fill the spot since he play with Puppey before.

Secret already dominates the map due to their pick offs but the late game scalability of OG is massive due to the TB and Kunkka plus the wall of DS is really my favorite on late game clash since the illusion deals a lot of damage especially on supports.

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OG - Secret quite the show so far right ? 1-1 on score and decider map looks in favor of Secret so far.

I also believe that Secret will qualify to this Major because this team have always found a way to actually win something every year and this is their last chance to actually do it. Odds are in favor of OG but I know for a fact that team fight do belong to Secret.

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 15, 2023, 08:38:30 PM

Quote from: rdbase on November 15, 2023, 08:10:58 AM

Heard something similar about Evil Geniuses but isn't this for the entire organization?
They are basically dissolving all their teams across all of Esports?
It is very alarming news if it was true. But I didn't believe it at first thinking it was just rumors but since you had mentioned it there must be an ounce of truth to it.

They probably won't disband every roster they manage when the others are doing well like their Valorant roster that won the last big tournament a few months ago. I'm guessing they're only downsizing as they can't keep up with the expenses in the other scenes like Dota now that it has become a free-for-all without the DPC system.

Bleed with the roster announcement earlier today, with Taiga and Masaros being their new addition to the roster.

Didn't their CEO step down just a few months ago too? Their interests seem to be over stretched and it seems to be affecting the company as a whole. So they should focus where they have had successes such as in Valorant and dota2.

This is what I was probably going by since I am more atone to anything related to CounterStrike when it comes to the Esports scene then I would be with the others such as League, dota2 and Valorant.

Evil Geniuses reportedly dropping CS2 teams and selling LCS slot
"Now, a new report from Richard Lewis details how the organization is set to drop its Counter-Strike 2 rosters and how it is well on its way to selling its franchise slot in the North American League of Legends league, the LCS."
source: https://www.dexerto.com/counter-strike-2/evil-geniuses-reportedly-dropping-cs2-teams-and-selling-lcs-slot-2372715

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Quote from: rdbase on November 15, 2023, 08:10:58 AM

Heard something similar about Evil Geniuses but isn't this for the entire organization?
They are basically dissolving all their teams across all of Esports?
It is very alarming news if it was true. But I didn't believe it at first thinking it was just rumors but since you had mentioned it there must be an ounce of truth to it.

They probably won't disband every roster they manage when the others are doing well like their Valorant roster that won the last big tournament a few months ago. I'm guessing they're only downsizing as they can't keep up with the expenses in the other scenes like Dota now that it has become a free-for-all without the DPC system.

Bleed with the roster announcement earlier today, with Taiga and Masaros being their new addition to the roster.

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 14, 2023, 07:04:21 PM

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They didn't leave the scene but they have moved from SEA region to SA region. I think that this is like the new meta for those teams that have found no success with their runs for the past years. Honestly, I've seen the glory days of Boom Esports that when they were dominating the lan tournaments and I think they even became a major champ.

But out of nowhere they didn't kept the players that have been good in tandem that had brought them success and then didn't invest that much anymore in building the team. Maybe this run of theirs with the SA players will bring them luck as it's like one easy region for the pro players that they have chosen.

Yup, it appears the org is completely switching to all SA since they also have SA teams in other esports scenes like Valorant and PUBG Mobile.

Looking at the players they chose, on paper, they should be making it in the top 3 SA teams at the minimum as their roster is mixed with players from EG, beastcoast, and Thunder Awaken who all participated in TI.

The only team I know that's stepping out of the scene is Evil Geniuses since I remember reading news about them potentially dropping their other rosters.

Yeah, EG has already dropped the bomb and their roster. After having a successful run in the NA and were able to make a TI title with their perfect old roster. The next consecutive years were no longer move for them and I think the experiment for this last season was like the last chance for them to see if their journey on Dota 2 will still be good.

They're good because they were qualified in TI but looking at the ending and run of their team, it wasn't so good and even the prize pool, they're not good at all. I miss this team now, the old roster from NA together with teams like Fnatic and Digital Chaos, etc. There are a lot of them and all the other players that have been gone all of a sudden.

Going back to this roster of Boom Esports, that's true that they're like one of the top 3 so they should be fine if given three slots is always done to them for most major tournaments that are coming this year ending and for sure a lot, next year.

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 14, 2023, 07:04:21 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 13, 2023, 11:30:49 AM

They didn't leave the scene but they have moved from SEA region to SA region. I think that this is like the new meta for those teams that have found no success with their runs for the past years. Honestly, I've seen the glory days of Boom Esports that when they were dominating the lan tournaments and I think they even became a major champ.

But out of nowhere they didn't kept the players that have been good in tandem that had brought them success and then didn't invest that much anymore in building the team. Maybe this run of theirs with the SA players will bring them luck as it's like one easy region for the pro players that they have chosen.

Yup, it appears the org is completely switching to all SA since they also have SA teams in other esports scenes like Valorant and PUBG Mobile.

Looking at the players they chose, on paper, they should be making it in the top 3 SA teams at the minimum as their roster is mixed with players from EG, beastcoast, and Thunder Awaken who all participated in TI.

The only team I know that's stepping out of the scene is Evil Geniuses since I remember reading news about them potentially dropping their other rosters.

Heard something similar about Evil Geniuses but isn't this for the entire organization?
They are basically dissolving all their teams across all of Esports?
It is very alarming news if it was true. But I didn't believe it at first thinking it was just rumors but since you had mentioned it there must be an ounce of truth to it.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 13, 2023, 11:30:49 AM

They didn't leave the scene but they have moved from SEA region to SA region. I think that this is like the new meta for those teams that have found no success with their runs for the past years. Honestly, I've seen the glory days of Boom Esports that when they were dominating the lan tournaments and I think they even became a major champ.

But out of nowhere they didn't kept the players that have been good in tandem that had brought them success and then didn't invest that much anymore in building the team. Maybe this run of theirs with the SA players will bring them luck as it's like one easy region for the pro players that they have chosen.

Yup, it appears the org is completely switching to all SA since they also have SA teams in other esports scenes like Valorant and PUBG Mobile.

Looking at the players they chose, on paper, they should be making it in the top 3 SA teams at the minimum as their roster is mixed with players from EG, beastcoast, and Thunder Awaken who all participated in TI.

The only team I know that's stepping out of the scene is Evil Geniuses since I remember reading news about them potentially dropping their other rosters.

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Quote from: rdbase on November 14, 2023, 10:03:01 AM

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Quote from: rdbase on November 11, 2023, 04:22:07 PM

For somebody who is not completely in the know of DOTA2 and the insight of the professional teams involved but it seems to be a turnstyle with teams leaving and getting replaced more often than on the offseason of Esports.
I had even heard of Boom Esports in the league of DOTA2 play and this is surprising to hear of them disbanding and leaving the scene.

They didn't leave the scene but they have moved from SEA region to SA region. I think that this is like the new meta for those teams that have found no success with their runs for the past years. Honestly, I've seen the glory days of Boom Esports that when they were dominating the lan tournaments and I think they even became a major champ.

But out of nowhere they didn't kept the players that have been good in tandem that had brought them success and then didn't invest that much anymore in building the team. Maybe this run of theirs with the SA players will bring them luck as it's like one easy region for the pro players that they have chosen.

Okay that is great to know they haven't left the scene completely and just playing at a lower tier so to stay competitive enough to be noticed.

Yeah, they just moved and still around on this scene and I think that they have a better edge on that region since there is not that much pro players that manages to get into bigger tournaments there. So, it's like it's always them and beastcoast that always comes in the lan tournaments.

Quote from: rdbase on November 14, 2023, 10:03:01 AM

About CS2 teams, I would agree with you there. As there is alot of restructuring of teams with roster changes going on to the major teams right now with G2's Niko wanting to add fellow countryman Nexa to the fold for example.
Instead of what DOTA2 teams do with just cleaning house and starting with a clear slate.

Yeah, it's actually a better move if they do the same with Dota 2 teams. But with what we're seeing, it's like just whole business at all. When the current roster don't perform well, they're sweeping the entire roster and rebuilding it with new players.
That's their decision but good teams are always made through longer relationships and chemistry and that's what I have seen in the past and look at those teams that have been successful in TIs, they're not just the quick rebuilding teams and rosters.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 13, 2023, 11:30:49 AM

Quote from: rdbase on November 11, 2023, 04:22:07 PM

For somebody who is not completely in the know of DOTA2 and the insight of the professional teams involved but it seems to be a turnstyle with teams leaving and getting replaced more often than on the offseason of Esports.
I had even heard of Boom Esports in the league of DOTA2 play and this is surprising to hear of them disbanding and leaving the scene.

They didn't leave the scene but they have moved from SEA region to SA region. I think that this is like the new meta for those teams that have found no success with their runs for the past years. Honestly, I've seen the glory days of Boom Esports that when they were dominating the lan tournaments and I think they even became a major champ.

But out of nowhere they didn't kept the players that have been good in tandem that had brought them success and then didn't invest that much anymore in building the team. Maybe this run of theirs with the SA players will bring them luck as it's like one easy region for the pro players that they have chosen.

Quote from: Wapfika on November 13, 2023, 08:05:01 AM

Yeah, There’s a lot of team already exit on Dota2 pro scene because it’s not profitable for them anymore since it’s very hard to get sponsorship if your team is always early exit or doesn’t win any tournament including minor tournaments.

Boom esports become a garbage team after their strong line-up before. New team appear and acquire those talented players leaving them no choice to accept mediocre players. I’m not watching frequently E-Sports in general but I watch Dota2 tournaments. I just notice that weaker team especially those who can’t afford acquiring talented roster usually just wasting there money on their player salary without getting in return since it’s very hard to win tournaments in Dota2 since the map is just balance unlike CS:GO which team switch side of the map with different role and advantage/disadvantage on terrain.

I think the idea that most teams have are to aim for those high prizes tournaments. Unlike with CS:2, they've got a better compensation for their players and that's through sponsorships. I have no idea how much the deals they are making with sponsorships especially with the better teams that have made a lot of achievements.

Okay that is great to know they haven't left the scene completely and just playing at a lower tier so to stay competitive enough to be noticed.

About CS2 teams, I would agree with you there. As there is alot of restructuring of teams with roster changes going on to the major teams right now with G2's Niko wanting to add fellow countryman Nexa to the fold for example.
Instead of what DOTA2 teams do with just cleaning house and starting with a clear slate.

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Quote from: rdbase on November 11, 2023, 04:22:07 PM

For somebody who is not completely in the know of DOTA2 and the insight of the professional teams involved but it seems to be a turnstyle with teams leaving and getting replaced more often than on the offseason of Esports.
I had even heard of Boom Esports in the league of DOTA2 play and this is surprising to hear of them disbanding and leaving the scene.

They didn't leave the scene but they have moved from SEA region to SA region. I think that this is like the new meta for those teams that have found no success with their runs for the past years. Honestly, I've seen the glory days of Boom Esports that when they were dominating the lan tournaments and I think they even became a major champ.

But out of nowhere they didn't kept the players that have been good in tandem that had brought them success and then didn't invest that much anymore in building the team. Maybe this run of theirs with the SA players will bring them luck as it's like one easy region for the pro players that they have chosen.

Quote from: Wapfika on November 13, 2023, 08:05:01 AM

Yeah, There’s a lot of team already exit on Dota2 pro scene because it’s not profitable for them anymore since it’s very hard to get sponsorship if your team is always early exit or doesn’t win any tournament including minor tournaments.

Boom esports become a garbage team after their strong line-up before. New team appear and acquire those talented players leaving them no choice to accept mediocre players. I’m not watching frequently E-Sports in general but I watch Dota2 tournaments. I just notice that weaker team especially those who can’t afford acquiring talented roster usually just wasting there money on their player salary without getting in return since it’s very hard to win tournaments in Dota2 since the map is just balance unlike CS:GO which team switch side of the map with different role and advantage/disadvantage on terrain.

I think the idea that most teams have are to aim for those high prizes tournaments. Unlike with CS:2, they've got a better compensation for their players and that's through sponsorships. I have no idea how much the deals they are making with sponsorships especially with the better teams that have made a lot of achievements.

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Quote from: rdbase on November 11, 2023, 04:22:07 PM

For somebody who is not completely in the know of DOTA2 and the insight of the professional teams involved but it seems to be a turnstyle with teams leaving and getting replaced more often than on the offseason of Esports.
I had even heard of Boom Esports in the league of DOTA2 play and this is surprising to hear of them disbanding and leaving the scene.

Yeah, There’s a lot of team already exit on Dota2 pro scene because it’s not profitable for them anymore since it’s very hard to get sponsorship if your team is always early exit or doesn’t win any tournament including minor tournaments.

Boom esports become a garbage team after their strong line-up before. New team appear and acquire those talented players leaving them no choice to accept mediocre players. I’m not watching frequently E-Sports in general but I watch Dota2 tournaments. I just notice that weaker team especially those who can’t afford acquiring talented roster usually just wasting there money on their player salary without getting in return since it’s very hard to win tournaments in Dota2 since the map is just balance unlike CS:GO which team switch side of the map with different role and advantage/disadvantage on terrain.

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Quote from: rdbase on November 12, 2023, 07:26:06 PM

FaZe Clan are on a tear and were looking in form during this tournament in Shanghai.
Did you hear they had the longest match for CS2 during the match they had against Ninjas in Pyjamas? 53 rounds if I am not mistaken while watching one of those programs on Counterstrike news.
"FaZe Clan and Ninjas in Pyjamas have set an interesting new record early on in CS2. During the CS Asia Championships 2023, the pair set a new record for the longest LAN match in CS2. The pair were playing for a spot in the Semi-Finals of the tournament, with the loser heading down to the Quarter-Finals."
source: https://www.esports.net/news/csgo/longest-cs2-lan-match-record-broken-by-faze-and-nip

Ah, I must've missed that. I didn't really follow that tournament until the semi-finals Cheesy

It's amazing how many times FaZe were close to losing but miraculously came back and then won it in overtime. In that NIP match FaZe was down 11-5, then forcing it to overtime somehow in their CT side.

The same thing happened last night too. Against ENCE they were down 10-4 on the last map Anubis but somehow managed to force it to overtime yet again and winning it. This is with the grand final spot on the line. Also on Nuke against Mouz in the grand final, down 12-5 before winning 6 CT rounds in a row to force overtime. Their ability to remain calm under pressure and maintain focus until the very end is truly remarkable.

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Quote from: dbshck on November 12, 2023, 02:02:20 AM

Quote from: rdbase on November 08, 2023, 07:41:27 AM

G2 Esports had removed their team from the CS Asia Championships tournament which has already started today:
"G2 have pulled out of the CS Asia Championships, the organizers of the $500,000 tournament taking place in Shanghai, China on November 8-12 have announced."
source: https://www.hltv.org/news/37351/g2-pull-out-of-cs-asia-championships

According to the article the team is undergoing a rebuilding process the same as Team Liquid had also stated was the reason for their absence of the tournament in Shanghai.
Lynn Vision is currently going up against Tyloo who I am familiar with in this region of CounterStrike play.

This tournament looks like another easy $250K for FaZe. They are still unbeatable since IEM Sydney. Rooting for them to keep the win streak against ENCE later today, and also in the grand final should they make it.

If they really win this tournament, that's 3 trophies and $600K prize money within a month. What a way to start their CS2 journey, reminds me of peak NIP.

FaZe Clan are on a tear and were looking in form during this tournament in Shanghai.
Did you hear they had the longest match for CS2 during the match they had against Ninjas in Pyjamas? 53 rounds if I am not mistaken while watching one of those programs on Counterstrike news.
"FaZe Clan and Ninjas in Pyjamas have set an interesting new record early on in CS2. During the CS Asia Championships 2023, the pair set a new record for the longest LAN match in CS2. The pair were playing for a spot in the Semi-Finals of the tournament, with the loser heading down to the Quarter-Finals."
source: https://www.esports.net/news/csgo/longest-cs2-lan-match-record-broken-by-faze-and-nip

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Quote from: rdbase on November 08, 2023, 07:41:27 AM

G2 Esports had removed their team from the CS Asia Championships tournament which has already started today:
"G2 have pulled out of the CS Asia Championships, the organizers of the $500,000 tournament taking place in Shanghai, China on November 8-12 have announced."
source: https://www.hltv.org/news/37351/g2-pull-out-of-cs-asia-championships

According to the article the team is undergoing a rebuilding process the same as Team Liquid had also stated was the reason for their absence of the tournament in Shanghai.
Lynn Vision is currently going up against Tyloo who I am familiar with in this region of CounterStrike play.

This tournament looks like another easy $250K for FaZe. They are still unbeatable since IEM Sydney. Rooting for them to keep the win streak against ENCE later today, and also in the grand final should they make it.

If they really win this tournament, that's 3 trophies and $600K prize money within a month. What a way to start their CS2 journey, reminds me of peak NIP.

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 10, 2023, 11:06:03 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 10, 2023, 08:38:15 AM

Moving on, Blacklist International has already announced its Dota 2 roster.

Their roster looks like it'll dominate the SEA region, but I don't want to get my hopes up for now.

Yup, we're on that opinion and the same for thinking that "like" they're going to dominate to their region but just as in the past. There have been teams that are from that region thinking that they will dominate. So going on with some other news, we've got some more.

BOOM Esports finally said goodbye to their Dota 2 roster and they're out with Dota 2.
There is a rumor about the roster including Ame, XinQ and Y.

Quote from: ralle14 on November 10, 2023, 11:06:03 AM

Also, 33 is officially joining Team Liquid seems pretty good when his playstyle is similar to Zai.

IIRC, Insania has hinted that their new offlaner has got a lot of viewers but I can't remember if he has mentioned if that guy is specific from a region like EU. Anyway, this seems to be a good replacement for zai as he takes away from the scene indefinitely. This basically means that Tundra Esports has officially no roster for now so, it's out or rebuild.

For somebody who is not completely in the know of DOTA2 and the insight of the professional teams involved but it seems to be a turnstyle with teams leaving and getting replaced more often than on the offseason of Esports.
I had even heard of Boom Esports in the league of DOTA2 play and this is surprising to hear of them disbanding and leaving the scene.

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 10, 2023, 04:05:35 PM

It appears the GG squad is staying together after they've made the confirmation through their Twitter post and Dyrachyo's hint was only to bait us. Tongue

Yeah, that's enough for the rumors about Tundra Esports taking over the roster of Gaimin Gladiators. At least we get that fact now that they're going to stick for this upcoming season. I think that they will achieve more. So this is now going to head the attention to the Tundra Esports if they will rebuild or will just leave out of the scene. But since they've got sponsors and probably contracts with them, I think that we will expect an announcement of them with new players/roster.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 10, 2023, 02:59:12 PM

Yup, we're on that opinion and the same for thinking that "like" they're going to dominate to their region but just as in the past. There have been teams that are from that region thinking that they will dominate. So going on with some other news, we've got some more.

On top of that, Azure Ray might be getting a downgrade as i've been seeing hints on Reddit about the three veterans(Somnus, Chalice, and Fy) planning to take a break.

It's different from what I've seen. Well, if these are just rumors I think that it's likely that these three will take a break coming from a journey of this year that's full of pressure for most of them. Somnus never disappoints honestly, just like the champs, he deserves to take a break and of course chalice and fy.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 10, 2023, 02:59:12 PM

IIRC, Insania has hinted that their new offlaner has got a lot of viewers but I can't remember if he has mentioned if that guy is specific from a region like EU. Anyway, this seems to be a good replacement for zai as he takes away from the scene indefinitely. This basically means that Tundra Esports has officially no roster for now so, it's out or rebuild.

Afaik, he mentioned from the CIS region and I thought it was DM or a promising CIS player from one of the EEU teams.

Qojqva was likely the most rumored guy that will take the spot. But 33 is more experienced and a better choice for them. I guess that this is just the same as zai as both of them are the best offlaners currently on this meta.

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It appears the GG squad is staying together after they've made the confirmation through their Twitter post and Dyrachyo's hint was only to bait us. Tongue

Quote from: passwordnow on November 10, 2023, 02:59:12 PM

Yup, we're on that opinion and the same for thinking that "like" they're going to dominate to their region but just as in the past. There have been teams that are from that region thinking that they will dominate. So going on with some other news, we've got some more.

On top of that, Azure Ray might be getting a downgrade as i've been seeing hints on Reddit about the three veterans(Somnus, Chalice, and Fy) planning to take a break.

Quote from: passwordnow on November 10, 2023, 02:59:12 PM

IIRC, Insania has hinted that their new offlaner has got a lot of viewers but I can't remember if he has mentioned if that guy is specific from a region like EU. Anyway, this seems to be a good replacement for zai as he takes away from the scene indefinitely. This basically means that Tundra Esports has officially no roster for now so, it's out or rebuild.

Afaik, he mentioned from the CIS region and I thought it was DM or a promising CIS player from one of the EEU teams.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 10, 2023, 08:38:15 AM

Moving on, Blacklist International has already announced its Dota 2 roster.

Their roster looks like it'll dominate the SEA region, but I don't want to get my hopes up for now.

Yup, we're on that opinion and the same for thinking that "like" they're going to dominate to their region but just as in the past. There have been teams that are from that region thinking that they will dominate. So going on with some other news, we've got some more.

BOOM Esports finally said goodbye to their Dota 2 roster and they're out with Dota 2.
There is a rumor about the roster including Ame, XinQ and Y.

Quote from: ralle14 on November 10, 2023, 11:06:03 AM

Also, 33 is officially joining Team Liquid seems pretty good when his playstyle is similar to Zai.

IIRC, Insania has hinted that their new offlaner has got a lot of viewers but I can't remember if he has mentioned if that guy is specific from a region like EU. Anyway, this seems to be a good replacement for zai as he takes away from the scene indefinitely. This basically means that Tundra Esports has officially no roster for now so, it's out or rebuild.

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Quote from: boltz on November 10, 2023, 08:21:24 AM

It seems that entire GG team is disbanding after all and latest news are that : Quinn and Dyrachyo might join Tundra Esports.

Maybe Topson will be moved to inactive later and maybe it's their way to mislead the rumors about them getting the whole GG roster. Wink

Also, 33 is officially joining Team Liquid seems pretty good when his playstyle is similar to Zai.

Quote from: passwordnow on November 10, 2023, 08:38:15 AM

Moving on, Blacklist International has already announced its Dota 2 roster.

Their roster looks like it'll dominate the SEA region, but I don't want to get my hopes up for now.

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Quote from: boltz on November 10, 2023, 08:21:24 AM

It seems that entire GG team is disbanding after all and latest news are that : Quinn and Dyrachyo might join Tundra Esports.

Well if this happens , Topson will be moved to pos 4 ? or what ? because Quinn doesn't play anything besides MID and if this is true , I think Topson will be kicked out of Tundra.

I'm not sure if Topson is going to migrate from being a midlaner to a position 4. But it seems that Tundra is going to adopt him for a while while the team is about to rebuild. If it's not going to rebuild, then for sure that he's going to be released. He's still one of the most desired midlaners and for sure teams that have vacant mid laners will take him.

Quote from: boltz on November 10, 2023, 08:21:24 AM

There are also rumors than both Skitter and Skeyking left Tundra because of Topson and his idea of Dota 2. Undecided

AFAIK, they've already left for Team Falcons. Yes, both of them have likely left already for that team.

Moving on, Blacklist International has already announced its Dota 2 roster.

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Source: https://twitter.com/BLACKLISTINTL/status/1722910334447718471

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