AFAIK, the bookies should return bets on events which has their results nulled because the outcome of the event is invalid.
It is not that simple. Bookies already paid out winning bets as well. How would you refund those? Let's just say someone one 1000EUR on that game and withdrew them from account. What can you do? Void the bets and give money back to those that lost the bets and on the other hand pay put winners? Moot point anyway, every bookie has its own T&C and it is written there what the procedure is. I wouldn't hope for refund. 
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They'll for sure going to be punished.
I'm waiting for an official announcement from the organizers that Knights to be disqualified and I guess those that have lost with their bets against this team might get a refund.
And that's going to depend now on the sportsbook where you've placed the bet. But I guess, that's it, no refund is most likely going to be given if there's a policy related to such matches that have been disqualified.
for a refund i may not be expecting much because if the match is not fair its not the sportbook's fault so likely no refund.I'm waiting for an official announcement from the organizers that Knights to be disqualified and I guess those that have lost with their bets against this team might get a refund.
And that's going to depend now on the sportsbook where you've placed the bet. But I guess, that's it, no refund is most likely going to be given if there's a policy related to such matches that have been disqualified.
but I'm just a little disappointed with the PSG.LGD vs Knight match why there has to be cheating in this 2023 DPC match, it's really embarrassing. causing PSG.LGD to lose even though that team is my favorite team to lose just by cheating
Why shouldn't there be a refund if the results are nulled due to Knights cheating? Hopefully Valve does the right thing and nullify the results of the PSG.LGD vs Knights match. There's no room for cheating in Dota 2, much more in 2023 because this is just the start of the DPC season. If they let this pass, then it's like an invitation for other teams to do the same as the punishment isn't severe and bets can be placed for monetary gain. AFAIK, the bookies should return bets on events which has their results nulled because the outcome of the event is invalid.
Its more of a dumb bet after all and I should have gone for the traditional 'safe' bet which is over 2.5 maps. Well in fact all games in EEU region ended up over 2.5 maps on all 3 games, someone would have made decent amount of profit just by betting on that single 'safe' option.
Nigma vs Tundra tomorrow, Im going for Tundra -1.5 maps on this. Totally Nigma fan boy right here but I just dont think that the current Nigma has what it takes to win against the TI winner
Nigma vs Tundra tomorrow, Im going for Tundra -1.5 maps on this. Totally Nigma fan boy right here but I just dont think that the current Nigma has what it takes to win against the TI winner
I thank you for telling me about "over 2.5 maps" and I did it in the PSG.LGD match
At first I didn't think about the opportunity but after I read again your reply it seems like it's worth it for me to do.
They'll for sure going to be punished.
I'm waiting for an official announcement from the organizers that Knights to be disqualified and I guess those that have lost with their bets against this team might get a refund.
And that's going to depend now on the sportsbook where you've placed the bet. But I guess, that's it, no refund is most likely going to be given if there's a policy related to such matches that have been disqualified.
for a refund i may not be expecting much because if the match is not fair its not the sportbook's fault so likely no refund.I'm waiting for an official announcement from the organizers that Knights to be disqualified and I guess those that have lost with their bets against this team might get a refund.
And that's going to depend now on the sportsbook where you've placed the bet. But I guess, that's it, no refund is most likely going to be given if there's a policy related to such matches that have been disqualified.
but I'm just a little disappointed with the PSG.LGD vs Knight match why there has to be cheating in this 2023 DPC match, it's really embarrassing. causing PSG.LGD to lose even though that team is my favorite team to lose just by cheating
We are nearing the end in HLTV's list of top 20 players. The 7th name was M0nesy, the 6th name was Broky, and the 5th name was Niko. Only 4 names left. 4. name, to be announced on January 13, 22:00. The Player of the Year will be announced on January 14 as part of the HLTV Awards Show. Can anyone guess who is in 4th place?
S1mple is definitely among the top three names and I think it can even take the title of the first best player again, but this year it seems a little difficult because Navi has gone down a bit.
Zywoo might just have a slot on the top 4 for this year. I'm quite surprised that m0nesy doesn't belong in the top 5 this year even though his name has been very popular on the latter half of 2022. I guess their tournament performance didn't really help in him achieving a better ranking for 2022. S1mple is definitely in the top 3 that's for sure, although I can't think of any names that could outrank him in 2022. Even though Navi isn't performing well, he still posted several good stats in notable games for sure.
My top 4 predictions would be this:
1/2: S1mple or Zywoo
3/4: Elige/NAF
There's not a lot of names that I can think of that can fill the remaining slots. These guys have been pretty consistent all throughout the year. I've been reading 'Ax1le' as a possible contender for the remaining 4 slots given his high rating for the last 6 months, but I'm sure it's not only rating that matters. Possible that he's there because of his ratings but C9's tournament presence this past year isn't that strong tbh. Elige is also a coin toss if he belongs to the top 4, but he's had a lot of great maps and great tournaments together with NAF.
We are nearing the end in HLTV's list of top 20 players. The 7th name was M0nesy, the 6th name was Broky, and the 5th name was Niko. Only 4 names left. 4. name, to be announced on January 13, 22:00. The Player of the Year will be announced on January 14 as part of the HLTV Awards Show. Can anyone guess who is in 4th place?
S1mple is definitely among the top three names and I think it can even take the title of the first best player again, but this year it seems a little difficult because Navi has gone down a bit.
That loss of PSG.LGD might not be valid as the Team Knights are allegedly cheating with a map vision hack.
I also saw this thread earlier today and now I feel salty about my loss on PSG.LGD. The organizer had some evidence to back their accusation so I think it's only a matter of time until Knights receive their punishment.The games scheduled today aren't worth betting on due to how one-sided the odds are but we'll see a few notable teams like EG and BetBoom play their first series.
I'm waiting for an official announcement from the organizers that Knights to be disqualified and I guess those that have lost with their bets against this team might get a refund.
And that's going to depend now on the sportsbook where you've placed the bet. But I guess, that's it, no refund is most likely going to be given if there's a policy related to such matches that have been disqualified.
PSG LGD is like a new team now. The only remaining player from the previous roster is Nothingtosay and Y. Ame (retired), Xinq and Faith_bian are not playing for LGD anymore. They are still performing very well even though they are recently assembled team. They can dominate, it just needs more playing time together.
PSG.LGD is the way they are because of their coach and not necessarily their players. Xiao8 is what PSG.LGD is all about, and I think the True Sight have already conveyed you this because everything revolves around xiao8's strategies, metas, and decisions. He wouldn't be called Director 8 for no reason. Even with the departure of Somnus, Chalice, and xNova who brought the said team to prominence in 2018 - 2020, PSG.LGD as a team is still very strong because of the leadership of Xiao8. It'll take some time before they can get their shit together but I'm pretty sure LGD is still deserving as a Div 1 team.
Team Secret without Nisha are looking and playing like Tier 2 team and they are having a negative session of 0-4. What can Secret do right now ? I think all they can do is to practice more and figure it out the new meta system as they keep playing nuking strategy and most of the times , the enemy team or most of the teams are playing right-click dmg build , which means they can engage into fight whenever they want because cooldowns are not a problem for them.
Same goes for PSG.LGD as without AME they are struggling to find perfect engaging time as they are well known for this little things that will break the game in their favor.
Same goes for PSG.LGD as without AME they are struggling to find perfect engaging time as they are well known for this little things that will break the game in their favor.
Yeah it's definitely true that the first matches of Secret with the new line-up were pretty disappointing. I think Nisha is definitely among the top 3 Dota 2 players right now in the world and if you lose such a player then obviously this has a big impact on the performance of your team. In addition to that he was at Team Secret for a pretty long time so they already knew each other very well. Now Secret has to replace one of the best players and also need to get used to the new player. This will probably still take some time. It is still questionable for me though if Secret will be able to get on the same performance level than last year again.
Same goes for PSG.LGD as without AME they are struggling to find perfect engaging time as they are well known for this little things that will break the game in their favor.
At least for PSG LGD, they are at the top of the standings in China. Team Secret is at the bottom right now in WEU. It is still too early to predict anything though. All that I know is, there is a lot of adjustment needed for both teams. I do not know how Team Secret will approach this if BOOM does not dwell well with them. The penalty for changing a player in the official roster is very stiff.
... also the LGD we know they strong before but image still they cant manage to make a win in their matches recently with a good performance most of the time they choke I guess time for the new era of players.
PSG LGD is like a new team now. The only remaining player from the previous roster is Nothingtosay and Y. Ame (retired), Xinq and Faith_bian are not playing for LGD anymore. They are still performing very well even though they are recently assembled team. They can dominate, it just needs more playing time together.
Team Secret without Nisha are looking and playing like Tier 2 team and they are having a negative session of 0-4. What can Secret do right now ? I think all they can do is to practice more and figure it out the new meta system as they keep playing nuking strategy and most of the times , the enemy team or most of the teams are playing right-click dmg build , which means they can engage into fight whenever they want because cooldowns are not a problem for them.
Same goes for PSG.LGD as without AME they are struggling to find perfect engaging time as they are well known for this little things that will break the game in their favor.
Same goes for PSG.LGD as without AME they are struggling to find perfect engaging time as they are well known for this little things that will break the game in their favor.
Team secret really deserve to be part of the TI Finals but still they cant manage to get the aegis and I guess its still time to their team to make a huge changes, recently the team nigma get crash by the HR and other teams which is not really now well in playing unlike before, also the LGD we know they strong before but image still they cant manage to make a win in their matches recently with a good performance most of the time they choke I guess time for the new era of players.
Team Secret without Nisha are looking and playing like Tier 2 team and they are having a negative session of 0-4. What can Secret do right now ? I think all they can do is to practice more and figure it out the new meta system as they keep playing nuking strategy and most of the times , the enemy team or most of the teams are playing right-click dmg build , which means they can engage into fight whenever they want because cooldowns are not a problem for them.
Same goes for PSG.LGD as without AME they are struggling to find perfect engaging time as they are well known for this little things that will break the game in their favor.
Same goes for PSG.LGD as without AME they are struggling to find perfect engaging time as they are well known for this little things that will break the game in their favor.
Team Secret has a rough start this DPC season. Nisha's replacement, BOOM, is not sitting well with Team Secret. I think he is still at loss on how to play with his new team. OG run them down easily in their match today. OG won an easy 2-0 against them. Team Secret is now 0-4 to start the DPC Winter tour. They had a rough start last season too but got to end TI in second place.
They were lucky last season when they picked up Reso because he fits perfectly how team Secret plays. They are not so lucky this season replacing Nisha with BOOM. Hopefully, they will recover and get synch up. It is still a long season.
They were lucky last season when they picked up Reso because he fits perfectly how team Secret plays. They are not so lucky this season replacing Nisha with BOOM. Hopefully, they will recover and get synch up. It is still a long season.
Just as I thought, Secret will really struggle with Boom as the kid doesn't really have any experience outside of the Russian teams that he has for all of his professional career. He's a great pubstar and he really knows his stuff, but I think he's getting a little bit of starstruck with Puppey as his captain and Resolut1on as one of the legends in the CIS region. Eventually though I know this kid will fit in just right in the team and bring back his great plays in mid that made him known in the international team during his stay at Gaimin Gladiators.
As expected indeed. Even last season, Team Secret really struggled most of the time. They even failed to qualify in the last regional qualifier. It was only in the last qualifier at Singapore that they were able to win it and then the momentum just continued in the TI. How much more now that Nisha is not part of their play anymore. But Puppey is a brilliant tactician, he needs more time to figure out BOOM's strengths and weaknesses and then they will make necessary adjustments.
Meanwhile, what intrigues me most this season is Shopify Rebellion players trying to prove themselves a top team and make the management of EG regret it.
That loss of PSG.LGD might not be valid as the Team Knights are allegedly cheating with a map vision hack.
I also saw this thread earlier today and now I feel salty about my loss on PSG.LGD. The organizer had some evidence to back their accusation so I think it's only a matter of time until Knights receive their punishment.The games scheduled today aren't worth betting on due to how one-sided the odds are but we'll see a few notable teams like EG and BetBoom play their first series.
Damn, I also read that earlier. Match fixing is one thing, but straight up applying cheats and joining an event that is sponsored by the developer that you used your cheat on should really warrant a lifetime ban.
IIRC, there are also the same cheat that has been applied through a software in an official LAN event for CS:GO. If they had the balls to do this on DPC, how about the minor tournaments that they also participate in? For sure this isn't the only instance that they used this cheat on games and tournaments.
Many teams in the SEA are like that in low tier tournaments especially those that are online events. They've got the balls to do it because they think they're safe. But if it's an obvious thing with their moves like warding and being too careful, there goes the idea that there must be something wrong. Well yeah, this is where their balls have brought them and hopefully a lifetime ban. They never learn from others experience.
Team Secret has a rough start this DPC season. Nisha's replacement, BOOM, is not sitting well with Team Secret. I think he is still at loss on how to play with his new team. OG run them down easily in their match today. OG won an easy 2-0 against them. Team Secret is now 0-4 to start the DPC Winter tour. They had a rough start last season too but got to end TI in second place.
They were lucky last season when they picked up Reso because he fits perfectly how team Secret plays. They are not so lucky this season replacing Nisha with BOOM. Hopefully, they will recover and get synch up. It is still a long season.
They were lucky last season when they picked up Reso because he fits perfectly how team Secret plays. They are not so lucky this season replacing Nisha with BOOM. Hopefully, they will recover and get synch up. It is still a long season.
Just as I thought, Secret will really struggle with Boom as the kid doesn't really have any experience outside of the Russian teams that he has for all of his professional career. He's a great pubstar and he really knows his stuff, but I think he's getting a little bit of starstruck with Puppey as his captain and Resolut1on as one of the legends in the CIS region. Eventually though I know this kid will fit in just right in the team and bring back his great plays in mid that made him known in the international team during his stay at Gaimin Gladiators.
That PSG.LGD loss was unexpected and Knights drafted really well throughout the series, taking advantage of the first pick Lina in the first map, and then in the second map they went with a lineup that had a lot of control.
That loss of PSG.LGD might not be valid as the Team Knights are allegedly cheating with a map vision hack.https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1093ku7/knights_accused_of_cheating_in_cn_dpc_div_1/
A division 1 team that has resorted in cheating deserves to be banned for life by all Dota 2 organizers and mainly by Valve. Why these players don't think for the betterment of their careers?
Dude, these are DPC games and not just pub games.
Damn, I also read that earlier. Match fixing is one thing, but straight up applying cheats and joining an event that is sponsored by the developer that you used your cheat on should really warrant a lifetime ban. If they had the balls to do this on DPC, how about the minor tournaments that they also participate in? For sure this isn't the only instance that they used this cheat on games and tournaments.
Team Secret has a rough start this DPC season. Nisha's replacement, BOOM, is not sitting well with Team Secret. I think he is still at loss on how to play with his new team. OG run them down easily in their match today. OG won an easy 2-0 against them. Team Secret is now 0-4 to start the DPC Winter tour. They had a rough start last season too but got to end TI in second place.
They were lucky last season when they picked up Reso because he fits perfectly how team Secret plays. They are not so lucky this season replacing Nisha with BOOM. Hopefully, they will recover and get synch up. It is still a long season.
They were lucky last season when they picked up Reso because he fits perfectly how team Secret plays. They are not so lucky this season replacing Nisha with BOOM. Hopefully, they will recover and get synch up. It is still a long season.
That PSG.LGD loss was unexpected and Knights drafted really well throughout the series, taking advantage of the first pick Lina in the first map, and then in the second map they went with a lineup that had a lot of control.
That loss of PSG.LGD might not be valid as the Team Knights are allegedly cheating with a map vision hack.https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1093ku7/knights_accused_of_cheating_in_cn_dpc_div_1/
A division 1 team that has resorted in cheating deserves to be banned for life by all Dota 2 organizers and mainly by Valve. Why these players don't think for the betterment of their careers?
Dude, these are DPC games and not just pub games.
Its more of a dumb bet after all and I should have gone for the traditional 'safe' bet which is over 2.5 maps. Well in fact all games in EEU region ended up over 2.5 maps on all 3 games, someone would have made decent amount of profit just by betting on that single 'safe' option.
There are teams that you should avoid betting over 2.5 maps at this time such as Team Secret. Their new player Boom is having a hard time trying to fit in with the current roster, and look as if he's not really a perfect fit for the team. Against Div 2 teams, perhaps you can bet on Secret or even over 2.5 maps, but against Div 1, better to go against them just to be safe.
Nigma vs Tundra tomorrow, Im going for Tundra -1.5 maps on this. Totally Nigma fan boy right here but I just dont think that the current Nigma has what it takes to win against the TI winner
Tundra is a safer bet. Nigma with ATF as carry doesn't seem right, although we have seen the guy in OG transition from being an offlaner to a second carry which works most of the time so there's that.
That PSG.LGD loss was unexpected and Knights drafted really well throughout the series, taking advantage of the first pick Lina in the first map, and then in the second map they went with a lineup that had a lot of control.
Nigma vs Tundra tomorrow, Im going for Tundra -1.5 maps on this. Totally Nigma fan boy right here but I just dont think that the current Nigma has what it takes to win against the TI winner
I also like the spread on Tundra, other bookies had them around 1.5 while 500casino is offering 1.69 for it. 
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you are too brave to take that step. but wish you luck 
Its more of a dumb bet after all and I should have gone for the traditional 'safe' bet which is over 2.5 maps. Well in fact all games in EEU region ended up over 2.5 maps on all 3 games, someone would have made decent amount of profit just by betting on that single 'safe' option.
Nigma vs Tundra tomorrow, Im going for Tundra -1.5 maps on this. Totally Nigma fan boy right here but I just dont think that the current Nigma has what it takes to win against the TI winner
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