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Quote from: Coin_trader on September 15, 2022, 08:23:40 AM

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Only ANA is doing this kind of experiment heroes because heis confident that Topson will carry him. Morphis the real pos 1 on that game while Ana only serves as back up carry although undying damage is really good but its completely no match for slark.

Topson and Ana is just trolling SEA dota because they knew that they can manage to beat all the teams that participate on this qualifierswith there current line up that's why theycan do crazy pick. Let's see if they will still do this on there match against Talon.

It's proven wrong today, when they got beat up 2-0 straight against Talon, and both Topson and Ana used a serious Hero, Invoker and LD, LD is very good in this Meta and invoker is kinda Topson signature's. But Talon still win, I didn't mean to say that they play bad or they are getting worse, but Dota is a 5v5 game, two people cannot just beat every team, they need to bond with the other player first.

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I missed the Astralis - HEET match for making a bet however Astralis have an odd like 1.15 so I didn't miss so much. Grin

My choices for the other two matches of the group are like this:

Heroic - Complexity: Heroic win @1.25
ENCE - MOUZ: MOUZ win @1.93

Heroic are going to play against a team which is in a good form. Complexity beat even Astralis which must have increased their confidence a lot. But I don't see them as strong as repeating this multiple times against bigger teams like this. Heroic can make them taste their first loss by a solid game. As for the other match I think MOUZ are one step ahead even though ENCE are favoured by bookmakers. I don't even understand why ENCE are favoured. Maybe they considered their latest head-to-head in Roobet Cup which was a big loss for MOUZ. But there is a big difference between the quality of these tournaments. ESL Pro League is much more important of course and I expect to see MOUZ showing this by a decent win. ENCE are still in a poor condition.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 16, 2022, 02:31:15 AM

Quote from: ralle14 on September 15, 2022, 08:07:17 PM

With the way T1 are drafting, I also think it'll go 2-0 but i'm surprised that the bookies are liking T1 a lot even though their new roster only played a few series so far. I'll only go for their moneyline since I can't be bothered to wait for the live lines. Tongue

Well, their past performances (only a few games lol) showed how dominating they are in this SEA qualifiers. They already proven how strong their lineup is and how they can come back from a deficit. Right now, T1 is in a tight spot against Talon. They became overly aggressive in the early-mid game that gave a lot of opportunity for Slark to gain some space for farming. But even with a very precarious situation and a slight deficit, T1 is still hitting a lot of punches against Talon. A very nice dota match to watch during lunch break Cheesy

UPDATE: Talon got the vision, but T1 got the guts. A must watch game 1.

Watching T1 losing to Talon is satisfying. Kuku venomancer on game 2 has no effect on the game and didn’t do properly his job to punish faceless void on early game. There itemization too seems like they have miscommunication because Topson and Kuku both build earn on early which will be use on other necessary item if they do communicate. I expect this will happened on T1 since they are showing this even on other opponents. They just lucky that there previous opponent is not that good compared to Talon. I’m still expecting for this 2 team for rematch on the finals and I hope Kuku will step up his game.

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Quote from: ralle14 on September 15, 2022, 08:07:17 PM

With the way T1 are drafting, I also think it'll go 2-0 but i'm surprised that the bookies are liking T1 a lot even though their new roster only played a few series so far. I'll only go for their moneyline since I can't be bothered to wait for the live lines. Tongue

Well, their past performances (only a few games lol) showed how dominating they are in this SEA qualifiers. They already proven how strong their lineup is and how they can come back from a deficit. Right now, T1 is in a tight spot against Talon. They became overly aggressive in the early-mid game that gave a lot of opportunity for Slark to gain some space for farming. But even with a very precarious situation and a slight deficit, T1 is still hitting a lot of punches against Talon. A very nice dota match to watch during lunch break Cheesy

UPDATE: Talon got the vision, but T1 got the guts. A must watch game 1.

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Quote from: arallmuus on September 15, 2022, 02:25:35 PM

Do people really bet on these type of betting options though? seems pretty volatile to me as even a worse team could always hit that first 10 kills. I couldnt even find handicap bet on most of these qualifiers game let alone all these type of bets. I was about to bet on T1 -1.5 as I think they will easily stomp the SEA qualifiers, no doubt about this.

I remember those type of markets used to be popular on sites that accept skin betting and nitrogensports would sometimes have them up but now it's very rare to see those markets offered on bigger bookies since it's only limited to certain providers. Back then I used to bet f10k and f5k for League since it's one of the ways to get better odds if the series winner is too one-sided.

With the way T1 are drafting, I also think it'll go 2-0 but i'm surprised that the bookies are liking T1 a lot even though their new roster only played a few series so far. I'll only go for their moneyline since I can't be bothered to wait for the live lines. Tongue

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 15, 2022, 04:42:27 PM

I am betting T1 will be able to take Talon in this match up, 2-1.

The old safe bet huh, well yeah considering that those are the two SEA region powerhouse to qualify for TI then its actually not a bad choice at all but honestly I'd love to try things out hence the -1.5 map bets for T1.

Meanwhile, we'll also have two top WEU teams tomorrow. Obviously betting for Nigma because Im a fan although I'd admit that Team secret has higher chance to win the game though

Straight outcome bet for this game, nothing too shabby

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Quote from: dunfida on September 15, 2022, 02:31:55 PM

Good thing that other 3 members of T1 do able to caught up on what this top tier players been doing.Lots had been saying that they are just indeed trolling up on SEA region which been heard off that this region was the

weakest among all regions which i dont really believe but rather i could say that it would be NA. Cheesy

. Basing up on picks of T1 then you could really say that it wasnt really that much a serious draft but still they could

pull it off and executing good game plays and clashes. As expect for Ana, this man is a beast specially on farming and he seems like on enjoying experimenting heroes which is unusual picks for the said position or role.

Instead of ANA and Topson adjusting to the game play of T1, it seems that the other members are adjusting to the game play of ANA and Topson. I do not think that they are experimenting because their picks are buffed heroes in this patch. We may see more of those picks come TI 11.

We have an exciting game later with the Upper bracket finals between Talon and T1. Mikoto said that they are confident against t1 because ANA and Topson needs to adjust to T1's playstyle. We saw yesterday that T1 is very dominant and that in a short period of time they have found their chemistry. I am betting T1 will be able to take Talon in this match up, 2-1.

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It was a total destruction by Astralis against MOUZ indeed. Bookmakers underestimated Astralis after the loss against Complexity. It wasn't an expected result indeed but this wouldn't be enough to demoralize a top tier team like Astralis. Farlig and k0nfig had a really huge role on both maps. Farlig got 27 frags on Inferno and k0nfig got 31 on Nuke. MOUZ might have expected a similar match to the one against Heroic maybe. Astralis benefited from their weaknesses in a great way and their odd was also great which was over 2.00. Grin

Complexity are the leader of the group with 6 points for now. This is very interesting of course but I believe they won't be able to keep this lead for a long time. I don't think that they can beat Heroic and MOUZ also after doing it against Astralis. They might beat ENCE also but I expect no more than that. They have a pretty big chance to finish the group in top 3 already now though.

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Just got my observation people today keep picking the death prophet into a different role still as a core and because it is too much op partnered with the vessel at the same time is the shroud for the life steal, I saw it again with the match of Team Nigma vs Brame those games have death proper and with the earth spirit, game 2 becomes chill for the nigma and too much chase but at the end still, they manage to win the game.

Death Prophet spirit siphon is buff with additional damage. I just heard it on the caster but I don’t read the current patch so I don’t know the exact details. You can see that DP is so OP once he is linked to enemy hero using his siphon. This makes her tanky and very perfect for his exorcism.

Many heroes now are being use as pos1 just because they have a buff skill like undying that recently used by Ana on SEA qualifiers.

Only ANA is doing this kind of experiment heroes because heis confident that Topson will carry him. Morphis the real pos 1 on that game while Ana only serves as back up carry although undying damage is really good but its completely no match for slark.

Topson and Ana is just trolling SEA dota because they knew that they can manage to beat all the teams that participate on this qualifierswith there current line up that's why theycan do crazy pick. Let's see if they will still do this on there match against Talon.

Good thing that other 3 members of T1 do able to caught up on what this top tier players been doing.Lots had been saying that they are just indeed trolling up on SEA region which been heard off that this region was the

weakest among all regions which i dont really believe but rather i could say that it would be NA. Cheesy

. Basing up on picks of T1 then you could really say that it wasnt really that much a serious draft but still they could

pull it off and executing good game plays and clashes. As expect for Ana, this man is a beast specially on farming and he seems like on enjoying experimenting heroes which is unusual picks for the said position or role.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on September 15, 2022, 07:40:34 AM

I missed that first 10 kills market but it's not available here. My bets were mostly ML, first aegis, and first barracks.

Do people really bet on these type of betting options though? seems pretty volatile to me as even a worse team could always hit that first 10 kills. I couldnt even find handicap bet on most of these qualifiers game let alone all these type of bets. I was about to bet on T1 -1.5 as I think they will easily stomp the SEA qualifiers, no doubt about this.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 15, 2022, 12:48:48 PM

DP is used so much because it can be useful while not having much items. Just as long as you have phase boots/BoT and a wind lace you can be a walking machine gun when you hit 6. That's why the carry position is sometimes filled with a DP and the mid lane is filled with a farming, right-clicking hero because it is safer and faster to farm mid and take stacks. The buff is not much though, but it helps DP survive early and mid game with the mana cost reduction on swarm, some damage added in siphon and extra MS on Exorcism.

True, she doesn't need that much farm and still can be useful in all terms of the game, early, mid and late game. That's why some other teams are putting her in the safe lane while the mid hero becomes their main carry like an agi hero to help the late game. Whoever created this meta, that guy is really genius.

Quote from: Beparanf on September 15, 2022, 07:09:50 AM

Many heroes now are being use as pos1 just because they have a buff skill like undying that recently used by Ana on SEA qualifiers.

Almost every hero now can be put into pos1 or safe lane. As long as it works, there's no problem with that since it's team work that will make everything happen.

WEU is exciting, Nigma and Team Secret has to eliminate each other.

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Astralis played really well today. As a team mouz couldn't do anything. Astralis is playing close to what I want to see. I hope they will continue this performance. They play good one game and bad the next. Especially farlig and konfig were the difference makers today.
In the second match of the day complexity managed to defeat heet. Heet is not a local team and this is their first time in a tournament like this. I honestly don't think they can win the match.

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Quote from: Beparanf on September 15, 2022, 07:09:50 AM

Quote from: Peanutswar on September 15, 2022, 06:45:22 AM

Just got my observation people today keep picking the death prophet into a different role still as a core and because it is too much op partnered with the vessel at the same time is the shroud for the life steal, I saw it again with the match of Team Nigma vs Brame those games have death proper and with the earth spirit, game 2 becomes chill for the nigma and too much chase but at the end still, they manage to win the game.

Death Prophet spirit siphon is buff with additional damage. I just heard it on the caster but I don’t read the current patch so I don’t know the exact details. You can see that DP is so OP once he is linked to enemy hero using his siphon. This makes her tanky and very perfect for his exorcism.

Many heroes now are being use as pos1 just because they have a buff skill like undying that recently used by Ana on SEA qualifiers.

DP is used so much because it can be useful while not having much items. Just as long as you have phase boots/BoT and a wind lace you can be a walking machine gun when you hit 6. That's why the carry position is sometimes filled with a DP and the mid lane is filled with a farming, right-clicking hero because it is safer and faster to farm mid and take stacks. The buff is not much though, but it helps DP survive early and mid game with the mana cost reduction on swarm, some damage added in siphon and extra MS on Exorcism.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 15, 2022, 04:38:43 AM

Astralis' odd is continuing to rise for the MOUZ match today. I was favouring MOUZ against Heroic yesterday and their odd was really worth benefiting from as it was like 2.20. However today I'm thinking of doing the same for Astralis @2.06. I know that Astralis got a really surprising loss against Complexity yesterday. But I still believe that Astralis will prepare better for the MOUZ match to make up for the loss. Astralis are better than MOUZ on 4 maps as it can be seen below:

Even if MOUZ ban two of those maps Astralis still have a good advantage. I'm aware of MOUZ's recent form so it wouldn't be easy at all. I'm curious about xertioN's performance in this match also. He is new at the team so it is doubtful if he will be consistent at the beginning already. I'll try my luck with Astralis win in this. 2-1 score has an odd like 3.60 which might happen too but I won't take a bigger risk than this.

Astralis was in form today. Farling carried his team with 1.46 kd and they had a 2-0 advantage against Astralis MOUZ. As you said, MOUZ was shown as favorite after yesterday's win in the match. If MOUZ had taken it to overtime on the Nuke map and maybe they could have won the decider map too, but that didn't happen. Astralis did what they had to do and they won the victory. There was an overwhelming superiority in the Inferno map that the MOUZ team chose this map, it was too late to regret choosing Inferno against Astralis...

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Quote from: Beparanf on September 15, 2022, 07:09:50 AM

Quote from: Peanutswar on September 15, 2022, 06:45:22 AM

Just got my observation people today keep picking the death prophet into a different role still as a core and because it is too much op partnered with the vessel at the same time is the shroud for the life steal, I saw it again with the match of Team Nigma vs Brame those games have death proper and with the earth spirit, game 2 becomes chill for the nigma and too much chase but at the end still, they manage to win the game.

Death Prophet spirit siphon is buff with additional damage. I just heard it on the caster but I don’t read the current patch so I don’t know the exact details. You can see that DP is so OP once he is linked to enemy hero using his siphon. This makes her tanky and very perfect for his exorcism.

Many heroes now are being use as pos1 just because they have a buff skill like undying that recently used by Ana on SEA qualifiers.

Only ANA is doing this kind of experiment heroes because heis confident that Topson will carry him. Morphis the real pos 1 on that game while Ana only serves as back up carry although undying damage is really good but its completely no match for slark.

Topson and Ana is just trolling SEA dota because they knew that they can manage to beat all the teams that participate on this qualifierswith there current line up that's why theycan do crazy pick. Let's see if they will still do this on there match against Talon.

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Quote from: boyptc on September 15, 2022, 04:27:41 AM

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My 10-win streak ended when T1 lost the first aegis to RSG. But I just started another 2 straight wins with T1 barracks and ML. This is my luckiest DOTA2 so far this year. Cheesy

This is like the bet of first 10 kills, right?

These are like the bets that are good to have when it comes to these matches. Congratulations to you for predicting those straight wins that you've got.

T1, overall for the match that they have seems made it looking easy for them to win.

I missed that first 10 kills market but it's not available here. My bets were mostly ML, first aegis, and first barracks. I got 2 from soccer and 1 from basketball in that 10-win streak though.

With the kind of level, T1 is playing, I think they can take the TI slot, and as the days progress they can build that chemistry needed in order to compete well in TI.

I'm disappointed by the draft of goonsquad in that 2nd map. I don't know what they were thinking, 2 cores were too soft.

Puppey and Team Secret followed Nigma's earlier path into the lower bracket as they were badly outgunned by Entity in 2 games.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 15, 2022, 06:45:22 AM

Just got my observation people today keep picking the death prophet into a different role still as a core and because it is too much op partnered with the vessel at the same time is the shroud for the life steal, I saw it again with the match of Team Nigma vs Brame those games have death proper and with the earth spirit, game 2 becomes chill for the nigma and too much chase but at the end still, they manage to win the game.

Death Prophet spirit siphon is buff with additional damage. I just heard it on the caster but I don’t read the current patch so I don’t know the exact details. You can see that DP is so OP once he is linked to enemy hero using his siphon. This makes her tanky and very perfect for his exorcism.

Many heroes now are being use as pos1 just because they have a buff skill like undying that recently used by Ana on SEA qualifiers.

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Just got my observation people today keep picking the death prophet into a different role still as a core and because it is too much op partnered with the vessel at the same time is the shroud for the life steal, I saw it again with the match of Team Nigma vs Brame those games have death proper and with the earth spirit, game 2 becomes chill for the nigma and too much chase but at the end still, they manage to win the game.

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Seeing NaVi and FaZe in the playoff round won't make the other 2nd and 3rd teams in the groups happy at all. Grin

Many people were expecting these two to end their groups at the first place as usual but especially NaVi would have been even out of the tournament after group stage. This isn't good for the team of my country which are Eternal Fire also. If they can't finish their group as the first then they might face the best or second best team in the world in the playoffs. I really want Eternal Fire to make a big progress here after making important changes in the roster. The spirit of Space Soldiers will be back for them hopefully. They have had tactical issues especially. Otherwise they are full of players with great aims. They were weak on Ancient due to not playing any official match so I hope they will have solved that issue also until the tournament starts for them.

Ahh, you come from Türkiye, I guess. Space Soldiers back then was on the same level as the EU top teams. Heck, I remember Space Soldiers even on top 10 HLTV and giving some big names back then a hard game. Sad to see the xantares and co fall out, he went to play for BIG and then the rest is history. I still remember the 'xantares peek' meme and we were joking he was an onliner and such. Now you mentioned it, you have my interest in the Eternal Fire team in the upcoming stage round for group D.

Yes my friend, your guess is correct. Grin

Space Soldiers were really incredible those times. They made us have great memories with their high effort against even top tier teams. I was really sad after the team was disbanded. But after Eternal Fire has been built and some players from Space Soldiers roster have been brought here, I started to be excited about their future. Group D matches are starting in only one week. Their job isn't going to be easy above all else. Because only Evil Geniuses seem weak. The worst rank of the remaining teams is 12th. This is going to be a huge test for the new Eternal Fire roster. It isn't impossible for us to finish at the 3rd place in the worst case. But we need to solve all of our issues with the map pool and our strategies before the matches start.

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Now I do fairly believe that Alliance should disband or at least find another carry because after all ,NiKobaby seems to be the real problem of that team because he is the only one from the old team of Alliance and toe be honest , Alliance needs fresh players soon.

Today main event should be Secret vs Entity but I don't see Entity winning this series...

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