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Quote from: dothebeats on September 12, 2022, 11:19:54 AM

Quote from: Distraction on September 12, 2022, 04:48:41 AM

So far in the ESL Pro League, G2 have been the most impressive team very interestingly. They performed even bigger than Vitality which are one of the striking teams in the recent times. If somehow G2 even make it to the title it would be a huge turning point for them. This isn't impossible these days. Because not only FaZe but also NaVi are fragile recently. If they don't have their usual consistent performance back then this could mean an opportunity for some different team to win a championship.

A finale between G2 and Vitality wouldn't be bad honestly. Grin

They are both amazing these days and we might be bored of seeing a FaZe - NaVi finale nearly all the time also. Anyway it is still early to make such assumptions of course but the current look of the tournament is like a sign for some change this time.

m0nesy is hitting a lot of good shots across all of their games, and if that guy can stay on form until the end of the Pro League, they can win this tournament and bag the trophy. Every single person in G2 is performing consistently, and is able to do their job as expected of them by their captain. A lot of clutches too on all of their players and IMO, there has never been a team this dominant in a single tournament for a long time since the old Astralis of 2017 - 2018. I'm also expecting of a G2 vs Vitality finals and see Nuke get picked by either of the teams. Both are extremely good on that map and it's only a matter of who executes faster and who can hit the best shots.

m0NESY is really a player who is hard to stop these days. He played a big role in the win against FaZe also. I even see him the most impressive AWP player recently because s1mple has lost his usual form in the recent times. Of course he is 24 years old while m0NESY is 17 now. This is a big factor affecting the reflexes of professional players. However s1mple is still a very special player so this is a big success for m0NESY already at this age.

About the Nuke choice I also think the same as you. In fact, G2 have a 50% win rate while Vitality have 60% on this map. These might not seem impressive for people. However for example every person who watched the G2 - FaZe duel on this map knows how amazing G2 destroyed a Nuke pro there (FaZe won 9 out of 9 matches on this map before playing vs G2).

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 14, 2022, 04:10:11 AM

One of the most awaiting match right now is the T1 because of the two TI champions are in the team with Kuku and this never fails us because it gives a good quality fight imagine they make a potential to the Marci pick as a support into a carry game and also topson makes a new meta with the morpling mid and the reason why T1 win the game this is so good to make a bet with the T1 right now it is all or nothing game for the SEA qualifiers.

I had a great day yesterday as I went 2-0 with my Polaris and T1 bets. I thought Ana would fucked up my bet when he played Marci as a core. It worked though as they were able to finish the game early but I still doubt Marci's capability as a core during long games. Topson looks like he is not yet at his best form after he was losing in the mid-lane during the laning period. But I was happy to see them finally play together. They looked relaxed, calm, smiling, and confident. If they can perform flawlessly in this qualifier then they are ready to mess with the top teams at TI.

I was watching game 2 of Neon and Atlantis. At first, I thought Neon was playing smart, but it seems the opposite. I don't understand why they were all at home when Atlantis was the one pressing them. They could have sent even 1 or 2 heroes to the bottom lane to stop the siege and be on the offensive again. What a waste. I'm curious how game 3 looks like after that demoralizing defeat.

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Quote from: Mauser on September 14, 2022, 01:01:23 AM

Most interesting game today is probably Astralis vs Complexity, should be a good win for Astralis. And tomorrow is playing Astralis vs Mouz which is going to be a bit closer match but should still be a win for Astralis. Overall the most anticipated match is going to be Heroic vs Astralis on Sunday as both of the teams seem the strongest in group C. I think that Heroic is going to beat Astralis, they played really well in their last few games.

Rather than Astralis - Complexity, I see MOUZ - Heroic as the most interesting game of the day. Even though MOUZ are in a better form than Heroic bookmakers are favouring Heroic for the win here. I also saw that there was a change in MOUZ roster. But if the new player (xertioN) shows a decent performance MOUZ can be a really great choice @2.24. Astralis @1.24 and ENCE @1.41 are more reliable choices of the day of course. Neither Complexity nor HEET are in a condition that they can win maybe even one map.

When it comes to Heroic to beat Astralis, this is possible of course if we consider their recent head-to-head matches. Heroic defeated them in their last four matches. However there have been three months passed since they played against each other the last time. We should be ready for any kind of a result.

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One of the most awaiting match right now is the T1 because of the two TI champions are in the team with Kuku and this never fails us because it gives a good quality fight imagine they make a potential to the Marci pick as a support into a carry game and also topson makes a new meta with the morpling mid and the reason why T1 win the game this is so good to make a bet with the T1 right now it is all or nothing game for the SEA qualifiers.

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What ESL Pro League Season 16 so far, the matches are incredible and so exciting. The two top teams NaVi and FaZe are struggling a bit and giving room for other teams to shine. The first week was not going well for me, I was losing some money with my NaVi picks where I thought it would be a save win. Luckily last weekend turned it around for me with the G2 vs FaZe match. Even though FaZe was the clearly favourite I bet on G2 because they looked so convincing in their first few matches and they won comfortably. G2 won all their matches so far without dropping a single map, very strong group stage for them. Today group C stage is starting with some good games in the next several days. Most interesting game today is probably Astralis vs Complexity, should be a good win for Astralis. And tomorrow is playing Astralis vs Mouz which is going to be a bit closer match but should still be a win for Astralis. Overall the most anticipated match is going to be Heroic vs Astralis on Sunday as both of the teams seem the strongest in group C. I think that Heroic is going to beat Astralis, they played really well in their last few games.

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Quote from: arallmuus on September 13, 2022, 05:13:40 PM

Took this silly bet, which I shouldnt have just because I'd love to watch this game. This could be the last game for Nigma though if they lose, imagine having top players on your team but you are missing two TI in a row because the team is not functioning as it should be.

That bet should hit but it's still risky since Brame is gaining some form and beating decent teams like ITB.

It sucks that the bookies i'm using suddenly stopped offering the markets for the handicaps similar to last week's EEU qualifiers so I just went with a 2 leg multi for the SEA qualifiers since i'm a bit more familiar with the teams there compared to the div 2 teams in the WEU.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 13, 2022, 04:28:39 PM

I guess it was only Team Liquid got the easiest wins against DGG. What a disappointing team on an upper bracket.

Considering that Team Liquid has the highest DPC points out of all the other teams, that shows that Team Liquid is far more stable in term of performances though so yeah it was a comfortable 2-0 for them.

Took this silly bet, which I shouldnt have just because I'd love to watch this game. This could be the last game for Nigma though if they lose, imagine having top players on your team but you are missing two TI in a row because the team is not functioning as it should be.

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Quote from: vennali on September 13, 2022, 09:38:11 AM

I'm not sure if I should be even surprised about Nigma's poor performance. They threw away 11k lead and the game soon after. They are down to the losers bracket and it is considerably harder to get through qualification via the losers bracket. Every match is an elimination game and there are going to be quite a few of them.

Who was that again that says that upper bracket are just for the b*****s. Was that miracle that? So, I'm just thinking that they want it the harder way.

But no joking, goonsquad is also a strong team. And that's why teams in WEU aren't going to be easy as what the others might be thinking for these top teams.

They also struggle in facing those unknown teams but with experienced player on the side. I guess it was only Team Liquid got the easiest wins against DGG. What a disappointing team on an upper bracket.

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Matches in Group C are starting tomorrow:

These are the odds for the first three matches. The most interesting one is of course MOUZ - Heroic. Very interestingly MOUZ have a huge odd like 2.26 for the win. To be honest, I see them as a more reliable team than Heroic these days. Their ranking is much better than Heroic in the first place. Their recent form is also more solid. Considering the h2h matches MOUZ defeated them in IEM Cologne as well.

It's like everything is indicating a MOUZ win for this matchup. There must be a reason behind these odds but I still want to give a chance to MOUZ. I see that xertioN has been promoted to main roster to replace Bymas. Maybe this might be the reason behind. Apart from that, Astralis and ENCE shouldn't have any problem on defeating their opponents 2-0 both.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on September 13, 2022, 11:46:32 AM

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On SEA qualifiers, I’m sure everyone is happy including for betting on T1 2:0. I was afraid for a moment on game 2 when Lycan is doing split push and manage to make the game a base race but still T1 manage to overcome and win. This is my first time to watch again Dota2 after the last Majors.

Execration did put a good fight on that second game. Unfortunately, SF died for about 100 seconds, and they could not delay the push of T1. Morph has too much firepower at that point, and they easily destroyed the towers.

Yeah, SF pick off give a window of opportunity to close the game for the side of T1 because they are having a hard time to finish the game because Lycan keeps split pushing while Treant is healing all the towers being damaged byT1 after they failed to destroyed it since they are reacting to Lycan push. I think Execration can win that game if they became patience and let Lycan do this job and the rest of the team give him enough space to do his role. SF become greedy on that midlane when he get caught because he over stay in the lane despite he doesn’t have enough vision and his team mates is not around.

I just want to to comment too on Palos performance. He is playing like an offline instead of carry. Maybe Bob is taking too much resources that backfires on them during late game on both game 1 and 2.

If you do see that 2nd draft pick of Execration.It was really just fine but the players specially that ES do really make lots of errors when executing those proper skills specially on that shit echoslam on
rosh pit area during the clash and other moments which it is really that crucial. Bob could able to handle out if its 1v1 or 1v2 yet he had farmed on the mid and able to outplayed Topson pugna
and able to farm well but the rest arent really that too aggressive and you could really see up the pressure and being scared with t1 but still it is really just too much to handle
both Ana and topson on t1 team.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 13, 2022, 11:29:15 AM

It is a trend lately that the winners of the finals are coming from the lower bracket. Maybe Nigma will do that as well.

Well 3 of them are except for RNG. They were at the top bracket though but given that WEU is pretty much the most competitive region, it would be hard for Nigma. Heck yeah I dont even know if Nigma will actually win against Brame though given how they played today. They were bad and its a fact though. I thought it would be nice to bet on Nigma -1.5 but yeah I shouldnt have I guess Roll Eyes

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 13, 2022, 11:29:15 AM

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On SEA qualifiers, I’m sure everyone is happy including for betting on T1 2:0. I was afraid for a moment on game 2 when Lycan is doing split push and manage to make the game a base race but still T1 manage to overcome and win. This is my first time to watch again Dota2 after the last Majors.

Execration did put a good fight on that second game. Unfortunately, SF died for about 100 seconds, and they could not delay the push of T1. Morph has too much firepower at that point, and they easily destroyed the towers.

Yeah, SF pick off give a window of opportunity to close the game for the side of T1 because they are having a hard time to finish the game because Lycan keeps split pushing while Treant is healing all the towers being damaged byT1 after they failed to destroyed it since they are reacting to Lycan push. I think Execration can win that game if they became patience and let Lycan do this job and the rest of the team give him enough space to do his role. SF become greedy on that midlane when he get caught because he over stay in the lane despite he doesn’t have enough vision and his team mates is not around.

I just want to to comment too on Palos performance. He is playing like an offline instead of carry. Maybe Bob is taking too much resources that backfires on them during late game on both game 1 and 2.

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I was not able to make any bet on SEA qualifiers today and missed some good profit because the top teams did not disappoint at all. They win all their games today. RSG, Talon, Polaris, and T1 are all moving on to the next level, Upper Bracket Semifinals. I am excited to watch the matchup of T1 against RSG. We can witness here how the newly formed t1 will perform against tougher competition.

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On SEA qualifiers, I’m sure everyone is happy including for betting on T1 2:0. I was afraid for a moment on game 2 when Lycan is doing split push and manage to make the game a base race but still T1 manage to overcome and win. This is my first time to watch again Dota2 after the last Majors.

Execration did put a good fight on that second game. Unfortunately, SF died for about 100 seconds, and they could not delay the push of T1. Morph has too much firepower at that point, and they easily destroyed the towers.

Quote from: boltz on September 13, 2022, 11:21:16 AM

Nigma will have their chance again but I don't think they will make it to TI this year as they looked fragile in all 3 games today and same goes for Secret , who keep pushing this strategy with Techies and they lost 2nd map but surely they must win map 3.

What about Alliance taking a map today from Entity ? If they won't win at least 1 map , I'm afraid Alliance should consider changing players or give a chance to young guys from their academy.

Nigma is not performing very well even in the most recent tournaments they went through. I guess Kuroky is not as competitive as he used to be. Though they still have a chance to make it through the lower bracket. It is a trend lately that the winners of the finals are coming from the lower bracket. Maybe Nigma will do that as well.

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Nigma will have their chance again but I don't think they will make it to TI this year as they looked fragile in all 3 games today and same goes for Secret , who keep pushing this strategy with Techies and they lost 2nd map but surely they must win map 3.

What about Alliance taking a map today from Entity ? If they won't win at least 1 map , I'm afraid Alliance should consider changing players or give a chance to young guys from their academy.

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Quote from: vennali on September 13, 2022, 09:38:11 AM

I'm not sure if I should be even surprised about Nigma's poor performance. They threw away 11k lead and the game soon after. They are down to the losers bracket and it is considerably harder to get through qualification via the losers bracket. Every match is an elimination game and there are going to be quite a few of them.

Nigma is the king of Lower Bracket maybe it’s part of the plan. Kidding aside. Shit happened sometimes even on pro player especially when the enemy hero is good on the late game while the game becomes longer. Those gold advantage is almost negligible if the hero has there items already. I didn’t watch the game because I’m already watching T1 vs Xcrt game but Goonsquad is still a decent team to do that kind of comeback.

On SEA qualifiers, I’m sure everyone is happy including for betting on T1 2:0. I was afraid for a moment on game 2 when Lycan is doing split push and manage to make the game a base race but still T1 manage to overcome and win. This is my first time to watch again Dota2 after the last Majors.

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Quote from: vennali on September 13, 2022, 09:38:11 AM

I'm not sure if I should be even surprised about Nigma's poor performance. They threw away 11k lead and the game soon after. They are down to the losers bracket and it is considerably harder to get through qualification via the losers bracket. Every match is an elimination game and there are going to be quite a few of them.

As what Fear stated on his stream, it's either Nigma or Liquid that isn't going to qualify on TI this year. Nigma is still a strong team, but they seem to not find their form in this recent patch and their previous tournaments. They really need to replace Kuroky because at this point, he's just a dead weight for the team. Miracle and Gh might even consider joining another team if they can't make it through TI this year.

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Yup, the SEA region isn't on the same tier as WEU or China region right now but the potential is there. Indonesia and Philippines with occasionally good players appear from Malaysia, Vietnam and Thailand. What we lack is mental fortitude for SEA region Dota2 players.

There's the difference between the two regions but all I can say is that they've got their own play styles which makes them have those tier 1 teams. I'm just waiting for the T! and Execration to see how ana and topson adopted the play style of a SEA team with kuku, xepher and whitemon. Within a few minutes, we'll see how they're going to play against Exe although it's not really that a strong team compared to them. But it's that everyone is excited to see these two former two time TI champs play on SEA.

I watched both games, and I can proudly say that we taught ana and Topson well. They now know how to tip enemies who made bad decisions that ended up on them getting killed Cheesy

Execration has a very strong midlaner but a so-so carry. Bob wins both laning stage against Topson, but T1 just knows how to put pressure on sidelanes and once the pressure is made, they'll just send the 2 supports on mid always to get that mid lead erased from their enemies.

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I'm not sure if I should be even surprised about Nigma's poor performance. They threw away 11k lead and the game soon after. They are down to the losers bracket and it is considerably harder to get through qualification via the losers bracket. Every match is an elimination game and there are going to be quite a few of them.

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Quote from: blue_hurricanger on September 13, 2022, 04:18:41 AM

Yup, the SEA region isn't on the same tier as WEU or China region right now but the potential is there. Indonesia and Philippines with occasionally good players appear from Malaysia, Vietnam and Thailand. What we lack is mental fortitude for SEA region Dota2 players.

There's the difference between the two regions but all I can say is that they've got their own play styles which makes them have those tier 1 teams. I'm just waiting for the T! and Execration to see how ana and topson adopted the play style of a SEA team with kuku, xepher and whitemon. Within a few minutes, we'll see how they're going to play against Exe although it's not really that a strong team compared to them. But it's that everyone is excited to see these two former two time TI champs play on SEA.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 12, 2022, 09:18:00 AM

I think the strongest team in DOTA came from WEU or CHINA. SEA region has good and strong teams, but they are still not as competitive as the teams in CHINA and WEU. But the dedication and the commitment to get better are there. Maybe someday, we will also see a SEA team getting the TI championships.

Yup, the SEA region isn't on the same tier as WEU or China region right now but the potential is there. Indonesia and Philippines with occasionally good players appear from Malaysia, Vietnam and Thailand. What we lack is mental fortitude for SEA region Dota2 players.

Quote from: STT on September 12, 2022, 06:57:56 PM

Lots of big names playing tommorow. Pasha and friends, big names from ten years ago. A special lan, bo1 it looks like so just interest for me not betting really.

What you saying is Kinguin Legends 2022, I guess. A lot of used to be big name and hall of fame CS players like Maikelele, Edward, GuardiaN, pashaBiceps, ⁠f0rest⁠, ⁠olofmeister⁠, HeatoN, kennyS, SmithZz,... Seem fun and a fun event, not for betting exactly.

Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 12, 2022, 02:45:22 PM

Seeing NaVi and FaZe in the playoff round won't make the other 2nd and 3rd teams in the groups happy at all. Grin

Many people were expecting these two to end their groups at the first place as usual but especially NaVi would have been even out of the tournament after group stage. This isn't good for the team of my country which are Eternal Fire also. If they can't finish their group as the first then they might face the best or second best team in the world in the playoffs. I really want Eternal Fire to make a big progress here after making important changes in the roster. The spirit of Space Soldiers will be back for them hopefully. They have had tactical issues especially. Otherwise they are full of players with great aims. They were weak on Ancient due to not playing any official match so I hope they will have solved that issue also until the tournament starts for them.

Ahh, you come from Türkiye, I guess. Space Soldiers back then was on the same level as the EU top teams. Heck, I remember Space Soldiers even on top 10 HLTV and giving some big names back then a hard game. Sad to see the xantares and co fall out, he went to play for BIG and then the rest is history. I still remember the 'xantares peek' meme and we were joking he was an onliner and such. Now you mentioned it, you have my interest in the Eternal Fire team in the upcoming stage round for group D.

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flameZ talked about the current condition of OG recently. He says that the team are much more ambitious than their old version now. They proved this to us already by their incredible performance in BLAST Premier Fall groups as they finished at the third place. They defeated very challenging teams like FaZe and Astralis consecutively. We see OG among the top tier teams right now. Interestingly they aren't in ESL Pro League but they will be a part of the upcoming RMR which is more important for them. If they keep this level of team performance we can see them doing a good job even in Major. They have already proven that they can beat every team now.

However they don't have any match until October 4 and they will finish one month without playing any official match. They need to prevent this space from affecting their performance badly. They will find teams that have a lot of match fitness against them in RMR. We will see how good OG will deal with this situation.

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