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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 04, 2022, 07:40:22 AM

The only maps that NIP are better than NaVi are Inferno and Vertigo indeed. Ancient is neutral for the sides so I think this map is very likely to be picked by one of the sides. But considering the probable bans and picks, NIP are going to be very disadvantageous anyway.

Besides, NIP have a very low chance to create their second chance by this match even if they win. Because NIP's total round difference in the group is -37 now. The closest team that they need to get past are NaVi which have a 12 round difference in total. NIP must defeat NaVi by a huge difference which is the only way for them to perform a miracle today. I think there is no chance for this. I don't think NaVi would leave their job to chance here. So NaVi win can be added to the betslips @1.23.

Yup, NIP's map pool is poor. And dang, it was Inferno, Mirage, and Overpass instead of Ancient. Easily to guess the win for both teams in their map pick. NIP will win the Inferno as their pick while Navi will win the Mirage as well. 2-1 in Overpass to decide who's going to have a chance in group stage A. Although NIP has -37 and 1-3 win/lose, if both Spirit and Endpoint lose at a huge margin, Navi loses to NIP too, there might be something ugly going on in group stage A.

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Luckily, all three matches of Vitality vs Spirit, Fnatic vs Endpoint, and Navi vs NIP both happened at the same time. Fixing will be hard. As you said, Vitality can just let Spirit win at a huge margin to kick both Navi #1 and NIP #6 out, less dangerous teams in the playoff rounds. Or NIP could drag Navi down with them that even with a win, Navi's round difference isn't enough against Spirit.

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I think that this betslip might win today but I didn't bet on it so let's see if I'll miss a nice chance. The total odd is 2.05.

Actually all of the picks here are credible for these matches. Maybe only the Vitality - Spirit one is a little doubtful. Because Vitality have already guaranteed to finish the group at the 1st position. Spirit might use this for their advantage if they show a solid performance. So far they have been able to beat Endpoint and NIP. They couldn't win even one map against NaVi and fnatic. But like I said this isn't an important match for Vitality at all. Otherwise Vitality's odd would be lower than 1.40 for sure.

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The LPL Regionals just finished earlier today with RNG securing the last spot for Worlds after coming out on top against LNG. There's also the Fnatic vs Mad lions series on going atm but all the remaining teams are already qualified to Worlds though.

Later there's the LCS lower bracket between Team Liquid and EG which is more interesting as the winner secures a spot to Worlds then the loser gets nothing. With the odds evenly matched i'm going for a small bet on Team Liquid @1.9 since EG looked shaky after their series against TSM and hopefully there won't be any technical pauses unlike the TSM series which lasted for quite a while.

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Quote from: blue_hurricanger on September 04, 2022, 04:10:17 AM

Navi vs NIP will be an interesting match. Navi wasn't in their top form, I agree with you on that. Navi lost to Endpoint 2-0 while NIP won 2-0. Does this mean NIP at the upper hand against Navi? Or does Navi keep hiding its strats and just want to pass the group stage rounds before being forced to reveal their strats for payoff rounds?

Map ban/pick between both sides will be hard to guess and determine which team is going to win. NIP wants to pick Vertigo and Inferno but Navi definitely wants to ban Vertigo. NIP is likely to ban Dust2 and Mirage as well. Inferno, Overpass, and Ancient as a leftover?

The only maps that NIP are better than NaVi are Inferno and Vertigo indeed. Ancient is neutral for the sides so I think this map is very likely to be picked by one of the sides. But considering the probable bans and picks, NIP are going to be very disadvantageous anyway.

Besides, NIP have a very low chance to create their second chance by this match even if they win. Because NIP's total round difference in the group is -37 now. The closest team that they need to get past are NaVi which have a 12 round difference in total. NIP must defeat NaVi by a huge difference which is the only way for them to perform a miracle today. I think there is no chance for this. I don't think NaVi would leave their job to chance here. So NaVi win can be added to the betslips @1.23.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 03, 2022, 05:27:19 PM

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Quote from: execijutiere on September 03, 2022, 04:09:06 PM

Fnatic actually didn't play very well, but as a team they were better than spirit. This helped them to win.

Fnatic got firepower and very good players now. The difference in individual skills was very apparent. Chopper is a bot and magixx failed to show any magic. Wonderful was meh.

I am very surprised with Vitality's win over Navi in 2nd and 3rd map.
Vitality hasn't even played Overpass with this new roster and yet they stomped Navi in the second half.
Navi is no longer the same powerhouse.

They have performed very well against navi. There is something wrong with NAVI in this tournament. They lost 0-2 against Endpoint and now they dropped again against Vitality. They are not looking like the number 1 in the world right now.

Vitality is now the top in their group with 4-0. NAVI and FNATIC come second and third respectively. With the matches tomorrow, I think the top three are set unless there are some upsets from Endpoint and Team Spirit.

Tomorrows matches are:

NAVI vs NIP
Vitality vs Spirit
FNATIC vs Endpoint

Vitality is secured with the top spot regardless of the result of the matches tomorrow.

Navi vs NIP will be an interesting match. Navi wasn't in their top form, I agree with you on that. Navi lost to Endpoint 2-0 while NIP won 2-0. Does this mean NIP at the upper hand against Navi? Or does Navi keep hiding its strats and just want to pass the group stage rounds before being forced to reveal their strats for payoff rounds?

Map ban/pick between both sides will be hard to guess and determine which team is going to win. NIP wants to pick Vertigo and Inferno but Navi definitely wants to ban Vertigo. NIP is likely to ban Dust2 and Mirage as well. Inferno, Overpass, and Ancient as a leftover?

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 03, 2022, 04:42:56 PM

Quote from: execijutiere on September 03, 2022, 04:09:06 PM

Fnatic actually didn't play very well, but as a team they were better than spirit. This helped them to win.

Fnatic got firepower and very good players now. The difference in individual skills was very apparent. Chopper is a bot and magixx failed to show any magic. Wonderful was meh.

I am very surprised with Vitality's win over Navi in 2nd and 3rd map.
Vitality hasn't even played Overpass with this new roster and yet they stomped Navi in the second half.
Navi is no longer the same powerhouse.

They have performed very well against navi. There is something wrong with NAVI in this tournament. They lost 0-2 against Endpoint and now they dropped again against Vitality. They are not looking like the number 1 in the world right now.

Vitality is now the top in their group with 4-0. NAVI and FNATIC come second and third respectively. With the matches tomorrow, I think the top three are set unless there are some upsets from Endpoint and Team Spirit.

Tomorrows matches are:

NAVI vs NIP
Vitality vs Spirit
FNATIC vs Endpoint

Vitality is secured with the top spot regardless of the result of the matches tomorrow.

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I decided to watch the Natus Vincere - Vitality matchup today and I'm very satisfied with that now.

It was the most epic match on the recent days. Even though Natus Vincere won the first map Vitality's incredible comeback was worth watching. 16-14 on Mirage and 16-12 on Overpass brought them the victory by 2-1. After this huge victory Vitality have guaranteed finishing the group as the leader. I haven't seen Natus Vincere like this for a long time. First the 2-0 loss against Endpoint and now this one. Maybe they will still manage to be a part of this tournament most probably after the matches tomorrow. But they need to pull themselves together.

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Quote from: execijutiere on September 03, 2022, 04:09:06 PM

Fnatic actually didn't play very well, but as a team they were better than spirit. This helped them to win.

Fnatic got firepower and very good players now. The difference in individual skills was very apparent. Chopper is a bot and magixx failed to show any magic. Wonderful was meh.

I am very surprised with Vitality's win over Navi in 2nd and 3rd map.
Vitality hasn't even played Overpass with this new roster and yet they stomped Navi in the second half.
Navi is no longer the same powerhouse.

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NiP finally managed to get their first win in the group, albeit hard. After defeating NaVi, endpoint failed to defeat nip, the last team in the group.Frankly, it's interesting to me. You beat the heavy favorite of the group but you lose to the last one.
In the second important match of the day, fnatic managed to defeat the young spirit team with their experience. Fnatic actually didn't play very well, but as a team they were better than spirit. This helped them to win.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 03, 2022, 08:21:53 AM

Next game FNATIC vs Team Spirit

I am taking Team Spirit on this one. They have been doing well this past days and hopefully they will continue to perform well.

Against FNATIC, I think this series can go either way, so taking +1.5 map has better chance of winning.

It looks like we were thinking the quite opposite for this matchup and my prediction won. I'm sorry for your loss as Spirit couldn't fight back against fnatic well on both maps. Nuke was already a very obvious win for fnatic after the picks. I was even surprised about why Spirit didn't ban the map which fnatic were the best (9 wins in 9 matches). Mirage was a more balanced one for the teams but fnatic got even a more solid win like 16-9. I also thought that Spirit would win one map at least but they didn't have a good day.

fnatic are playing really big these days by defeating teams that have higher rankings than them. fnatic are very likely to move on in this tournament too considering the matches tomorrow. Because they are playing against Endpoint while Spirit are having one of the toughest matches of the group against Vitality.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on September 02, 2022, 02:07:35 PM

what's with the coaches and substituting players in such crucial series? same thing happened the other day with DWG KIA, iirc they won game1 and the coach benched Nuguri for game2, obviously, they lost with the sub top laner costing them the game lol

LoL schedule tomorrow: FNC - MAD Lions, i could see this going all the way to game 5. V5 - LNG, if Karsa plays from the starts, i'll go with V5. LSB - DRX, will skip this one

I also don't understand it or maybe on DWG's side Nuguri wanted a breather. I was also hoping V5 would put up a fight earlier against LNG but man their performance dropped even further with Karsa stepping in.

I nearly though my over 3.5 multi won't hit when V5 was just losing most of their team fights but luckily LNG got too overconfident in the third game and lost a few consecutive team fights in the later stages of the game.

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Quote from: Mauser on September 03, 2022, 07:51:58 AM

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Today NaVi is playing against Vitality which should be a good win for NaVi. After their last loss they will try harder today to make sure the finish at the top of the group. Same for NaVi vs NiP tomorrow, should be a win for NaVi. More interesting is going to be the match between Team Spirit and Vitality tomorrow, I would probably go with Vitality for that one.

NaVi - Vitality is the main event of the day. Vitality have got much stronger after adding Spinx to the roster. They are getting a big efficiency from him in terms of frags. He is pushing the team to play better now. While they are in a great form maybe they can be a big challenge for NaVi today. Honestly I think that NaVi wouldn't lose two times in a row easily. The Endpoint match was a horrible incident that they want to forget about quickly. The only way to atone for that is to defeat Vitality today.

I feel like the map choices will be like Dust2 and Inferno. Nuke might be the decider. In this case I would expect a NaVi win by a 2-1 score because I think Vitality can defeat them on Inferno.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 02, 2022, 04:09:27 AM

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 01, 2022, 10:31:28 PM

OG has new player today and it is looks like the a chance for another TI champion to them because of the ESL One Malaysia they easily slain the Team Aster also they have a really good drafting and now the Dota 2 battle pass releases in the public too for sure we can see different chat wheel spams in the game

Who's the new player? As far as I'm looking at their information, currently, they're completely without any new player. If you mean Chuvash, he's just a stand-in on the ESL but he's actually their coach as of the moment. I don't see any new players on them. The exciting thing about the chat wheels is they can be upgraded but I wouldn't spend any money on them. Tongue

I am wondering who is that too. Or maybe he meant it is new compared to the old roster of Notail, ceb , Topson, Ana and Jerax.

Isn't the battle pass where they get the additional money for the prize pool? I wonder how much it will reach this year. Every year the prize pool gets higher and higher in TI. Will it reach over 50M this year?

Maybe he's talking about the new roster and about the coach and misha thing. As for the battle pass, yes, that's where the prize pool is coming and if it's not for the fans and typical Dota 2 players, there will be no TI. But with all of the help and expenditures of every fan, that's where the prize pool is being shared with the teams. Let's see if pool will be breaking the record.

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I just made a prediction right here which is the OG, LGD and the Team Spirit will face in the final match of up top 4 teams in the Sea server there's a chance that T1 but we have the Fnatic and Boom.

T1 has to qualify first before predicting that they'll get into the finals of TI. But with their roster as of now, we're all thinking that they'll be the ones to qualify since Boom and Fnatic are both qualified already.

That will still depend on how the two new recruits will perform in the SEA Qualifier. They are not much competition left for them since Boom and Fnatic already qualified but we still do not know, Other teams might surprise us. I Hope ANA gets a larger hero pool or the opposite teams will just ban his heroes.

Yeah, not that much competition but they shouldn't be too confident with what they have right now. If it's a SEA team then it's full of surprises and can upset them.

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Quote from: boyptc on September 03, 2022, 05:54:27 AM

I've watched some CIS Dota 2 action lately and there are more to go. The one I've watched is Outsiders against Pari Parni.

Too ez for Outsiders and trivia for those that still don't know, Outsiders should be the one to have that secured slot for TI but Fnatic was the one who's got in due to some percentage of point lack.

They have a close dpc points and Valve corrected the computation. Outsiders still have a chance to enter TI through the qualifier.

NIP finally got their first win in EPL Season 16, beating Endpoint 2-0. They are now tied with Endpoint , 1-3 in group A. I do not think NIP will still have a chance to enter playoffs but it is still nice to see that they were able to win a series. They were performing poorly this tournament, hopefully they can figure out what is wrong with their line up.

Next game FNATIC vs Team Spirit

I am taking Team Spirit on this one. They have been doing well this past days and hopefully they will continue to perform well.

Against FNATIC, I think this series can go either way, so taking +1.5 map has better chance of winning.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 02, 2022, 01:57:47 PM

Just look at how far NaVi and FaZe are ahead of the rest of the teams. This is an unbelievable dominance. Only two teams are owning the whole game in almost every tournament. The only tournament we saw a different champion in was IEM Dallas as far as I can remember. Cloud9 won that. To tell the truth I'm enjoying all of the series between NaVi and FaZe in finals. But after a point this can start making people bored. Because we are already seeing the same teams winning every tournament.

It's true both NaVi and FaZe are on a completely different level at the moment, the two teams work so well to together and execute their strategies without any big mistakes. Was a really big surprise for Endpoint to win 2-0 against NaVi, after losing their two previous matches. It's still group stage so these games don't count for much yet and NaVi might have been holding back. The ancient pick by Endpoint was funny to see, I didn't expected them to let NaVi only get 7, that was a very strong performance. Luckily I didn't bet on the match because I would have put my money on NaVi as always. Today NaVi is playing against Vitality which should be a good win for NaVi. After their last loss they will try harder today to make sure the finish at the top of the group. Same for NaVi vs NiP tomorrow, should be a win for NaVi. More interesting is going to be the match between Team Spirit and Vitality tomorrow, I would probably go with Vitality for that one.

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This is today's program in the ESL Pro League.

There is already a match going on between NIP and Endpoint by the way. This can be the biggest opportunity for NIP to get their first win in the group. Endpoint are still an unpredictable team after seeing the win they got against NaVi. Both teams are about to lose on the maps they picked currently. NIP's performance on Vertigo was really amazing. They didn't give any round to their opponent while playing on T side. Now Endpoint are advantageous to make the score 1-1 on Inferno. The decider map is Mirage and NIP have a big experience on this map. Maybe they don't have a successful past on this map but their experience might be useful to win 2-1 at the end.

For the rest of the matches today, my picks are fnatic @1.71 and NaVi @1.48. fnatic - Spirit can be a really competitive match but there is a big improvement in fnatic's performance lately. I think they are strong enough to beat Spirit even if they lose one map. As for NaVi - Vitality, NaVi are very clearly the favourite team to win despite being aware of Vitality's recent effort. Vitality are having big difficulties against them as we saw it recently too. Maybe they can win one map but I expect no more than that.

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I've watched some CIS Dota 2 action lately and there are more to go. The one I've watched is Outsiders against Pari Parni.

Too ez for Outsiders and trivia for those that still don't know, Outsiders should be the one to have that secured slot for TI but Fnatic was the one who's got in due to some percentage of point lack.

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Quote from: blue_hurricanger on September 03, 2022, 03:28:23 AM

Don't be surprised by the Navi, a team #1 HLTV lost to Endpoint, only ranked #37. With the betting odds of 1.05 for Navi and 11-12 for Endpoint before the match, I knew the match going to be ugly. A sort of 'trait' for Navi and Navi fans are used to it. Never bet on Navi on a match that is so overwhelming to Navi or the odds are many times over for the enemy team. Cause you know Navi will throw the game for 'profit'.

Wow, that is game-fixing. I am not familiar with rules in E-sports about this but that should not be allowed, right? But I guess if you are betting using crypto there is no control over it.

Quote from: emrecemsan on September 02, 2022, 06:22:41 PM

Vitality have impressed people with their dedicated performance so far. One transfer can really change nearly everything about a team. Spinx is still playing a crucial role in the matches. Today they took on fnatic and beat them 2-1. Spinx was the most performing player on Inferno (27 kills) and Mirage (25 kills). He was the top fragger on both maps and helped a lot about making a comeback after losing on Nuke by 16-6. fnatic did this to NaVi too. I mean they won the first map against NaVi too but couldn't turn this into their advantage to win. They are still not at the level of top tier teams but this is an improvement that shouldn't be disregarded also.

They have the best match yesterday. If they did not play, it would have been a boring day for CS. The other matches ended quickly. FNATIC dominated the first map but Vitality shown their prowess in Inferno and Mirage.

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Don't be surprised by the Navi, a team #1 HLTV lost to Endpoint, only ranked #37. With the betting odds of 1.05 for Navi and 11-12 for Endpoint before the match, I knew the match going to be ugly. A sort of 'trait' for Navi and Navi fans are used to it. Never bet on Navi on a match that is so overwhelming to Navi or the odds are many times over for the enemy team. Cause you know Navi will throw the game for 'profit'.

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I was very surprised that Navi lost to the endpoint team. They didn't let Navi play. It was a strange match. I think nobody expected such a defeat by navi.
Nip was defeated in the first 3 games without showing much presence. We can say that Spirit de magixx showed his difference. He played a really awesome game.
In the last match of the day, vitality managed to defeat fnatic. Fnatic and vitality have a good roster, but fnatic is a newly established roster. I think they need some time for their players to understand each other. They can perform better in the future.

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