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legendary
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Why haven't they announced that they're closing the poker room in the BitcoinTalk thread?  Maybe it's just a hoax? ---> Fake News?  I sure hope it's fake because poker is the only reason I play at betcoin.  It's been real, it's been nice, but I gotta go if all they'll be providing are the negative EV games.

Have you really fooled yourself into believing that you're a winning poker player?


Truth hurts man, I'm sorry.  But - it will also set you free <3

Then again, you still have about a week left to get back that $8k....

I will not get involved in the conversation here but have a question that you may know. Doesn't that only show the tournaments that were played, and so they could be up on cash? Is there a site you know of that also tracks the cash side?

Betcoin isn't connected to ACR cash games.  I don't think there's anyone tracking ACR cash games.

Betcoin does have their own cash games, which I am confident are not tracked  by anyone.

As far as cjmoles stats, there are a few caveats - the Betcoin only tournaments are not included (many of which have decent overlay, so there's a good chance he was a winner in these )  Also, satellites are not covered and rebuy/add-on/re-entry are not covered.  So if you spend $100 to win a $530 seat, then don't cash in the $530 mtt, I think it would show as a $530 loss.



Just a note: re-entries are now tracked, and quite accurately I might add.

I honestly don't know if satties are tracked now as well because satties are largely a sucker's game.
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Why haven't they announced that they're closing the poker room in the BitcoinTalk thread?  Maybe it's just a hoax? ---> Fake News?  I sure hope it's fake because poker is the only reason I play at betcoin.  It's been real, it's been nice, but I gotta go if all they'll be providing are the negative EV games.

Have you really fooled yourself into believing that you're a winning poker player?


Truth hurts man, I'm sorry.  But - it will also set you free <3

Then again, you still have about a week left to get back that $8k....

I will not get involved in the conversation here but have a question that you may know. Doesn't that only show the tournaments that were played, and so they could be up on cash? Is there a site you know of that also tracks the cash side?

Betcoin isn't connected to ACR cash games.  I don't think there's anyone tracking ACR cash games.

Betcoin does have their own cash games, which I am confident are not tracked  by anyone.

As far as cjmoles stats, there are a few caveats - first, they only include tournaments - and the Betcoin only tournaments are not included (many of which have decent overlay, so there's a good chance he was a winner in these )  Also, satellites are not covered and rebuy/add-on/re-entry are not covered.  So if you spend $100 to win a $530 seat, then don't cash in the $530 mtt, I think it would show as a $530 loss.

Finally, I would (almost) never ever flame a losing player simply because they are a losing poker player.

Lots of people I love (my father, uncles, cousins, friends etc) are losing players.  I would never flame them simply because they lose money at poker.

cjmoles is a special kind of scum.  He has shilled for Betcoin for (literally) years.  He has blatantly told lie after lie, wasted countless hours of myself and others with nonsense simply to either spite his 'detractors' or to protect Betcoin (not sure why?).

So yeah. 

legendary
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Why haven't they announced that they're closing the poker room in the BitcoinTalk thread?  Maybe it's just a hoax? ---> Fake News?  I sure hope it's fake because poker is the only reason I play at betcoin.  It's been real, it's been nice, but I gotta go if all they'll be providing are the negative EV games.

Have you really fooled yourself into believing that you're a winning poker player?


Truth hurts man, I'm sorry.  But - it will also set you free <3

Then again, you still have about a week left to get back that $8k....

I will not get involved in the conversation here but have a question that you may know. Doesn't that only show the tournaments that were played, and so they could be up on cash? Is there a site you know of that also tracks the cash side?

If someone is down 1500BIs off of a $5.50ABI, it's pretty safe to say that they aren't beating any level of cash anywhere.
member
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Why haven't they announced that they're closing the poker room in the BitcoinTalk thread?  Maybe it's just a hoax? ---> Fake News?  I sure hope it's fake because poker is the only reason I play at betcoin.  It's been real, it's been nice, but I gotta go if all they'll be providing are the negative EV games.

Have you really fooled yourself into believing that you're a winning poker player?


Truth hurts man, I'm sorry.  But - it will also set you free <3

Then again, you still have about a week left to get back that $8k....

I will not get involved in the conversation here but have a question that you may know. Doesn't that only show the tournaments that were played, and so they could be up on cash? Is there a site you know of that also tracks the cash side?
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Why haven't they announced that they're closing the poker room in the BitcoinTalk thread?  Maybe it's just a hoax? ---> Fake News?  I sure hope it's fake because poker is the only reason I play at betcoin.  It's been real, it's been nice, but I gotta go if all they'll be providing are the negative EV games.

Have you really fooled yourself into believing that you're a winning poker player?


Truth hurts man, I'm sorry.  But - it will also set you free <3

Then again, you still have about a week left to get back that $8k....

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I recommend anyone interested in the Betcoin trainwreck check out the twoplustwo thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/betcoin-poker-1458531/index33.html

legendary
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Twitchy you're totally mistaken now.

I'm not Veganhippie. I know Vegan and was friends with him from 2p2 in the past.

He's simply helped me post my affiliate link before with his screenname sometimes to help me get some players and get some income, that's all.

Lol at you thinking I am Vegan, you're not the all knowing detective.

To prove that you are wrong, I'm willing to allow a forum moderator to show that my forum IP has never crossed with Vegan's since we live far away from each other.....


lollllllll

First time you logged in with xiaoxiao since May.

Where ya been bud?

Are you the new poker room manager also?

No, i'm not involved with anything, I've been working a tough job since I went broke and mismanaged people's rakeback. It's not easy, it's whatever.....

I just lurked here and saw you accusing Vegan of being me and vice versa, it's not the truth at all.
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Twitchy you're totally mistaken now.

I'm not Veganhippie. I know Vegan and was friends with him from 2p2 in the past.

He's simply helped me post my affiliate link before with his screenname sometimes to help me get some players and get some income, that's all.

Lol at you thinking I am Vegan, you're not the all knowing detective.

To prove that you are wrong, I'm willing to allow a forum moderator to show that my forum IP has never crossed with Vegan's since we live far away from each other.....


lollllllll

First time you logged in with xiaoxiao since May.

Where ya been bud?

Are you the new poker room manager also?
legendary
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Twitchy you're totally mistaken now.

I'm not Veganhippie. I know Vegan and was friends with him from 2p2 in the past.

He's simply helped me post my affiliate link before with his screenname sometimes to help me get some players and get some income, that's all.

Lol at you thinking I am Vegan, you're not the all knowing detective.

To prove that you are wrong, I'm willing to allow a forum moderator to show that my forum IP has never crossed with Vegan's since we live far away from each other.....

If I was vegan, why would make a website that has a far worse display than my betcoinrakeback website that i took down because i mismanaged people's rakeback.

Stop thinking you got it right and than making accusations of people's identities.
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Good news everyone, I found xiaoxiao.
I'm copying this from the post I just made on 2p2, https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=53229921&postcount=785


I believe Gamblor777 is xiaoxiao (the affiliate that stole all the rake back).
I also believe that he is still being paid affiliate fees by Betcoin


Here are a list of all the accounts that I believe belong to the same person.

- Gamblor777 (twoplustwo)
- HIV (twoplustwo)
- winbig777 (btctalk)
- xiaoxiao (btctalk)
- VascoBorden (betcoin)
- harryjr (betcoin)
- veganhippie (SwCPoker)
- 5850s (reddit)

The following referral accounts/links are also relevant (don't use any of them):

- win big on coins dotcom <---2p2 has censored this site ( which means he got banned for spamming here it most likely)
- https://www.betcoin.ag?r=103828
- https://www.betcoin.ag?r=109330 <---xiaoxiaos affiliate link that most regs signed up with
- https://nitrogensports.eu/r/22646



Gamblor777 and winbig777copy/pasted identicle posts yesterday bashing me.  You can see it a few posts above this one, and also on BTCTalk [LINK]  So we know they are the same person.  If you look at the post histories of each account, you'll see extremely shilly posts on BTCTalk, and just enough attention to Betcoin.ag on 2p2 to not get noticed by mods.

Here we see winbig777 claiming to be veganhippie.  Also note the signature where he advertises his site, winbig on coins: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25692215



Now for the reddit account.  First some evidence that veganhippie is "5850s"

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/6a1npw/beginning_poker_player/dhb3uzm/


https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26dg08/state_of_the_art_of_bitcoincrypto_gambling/chq0v9z/


https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26dg08/state_of_the_art_of_bitcoincrypto_gambling/chq0v9z/



Now to show "5850s" is xiaoxiao
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1U_JvE4wcigJ:https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/7irbri/affected_by_bitcoin_fees_maybe_this_can_help/%3Fref%3Dreadnext+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Compare that affiliate link to the one Xiaxiao has been using since 2014: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinrakebackcom-58-83-rakeback-here-only-acr-wpn-tourneys-683727

Other relevant links that connect him other names:

In this video we see him playing on the veganhippie account: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szNcaWQ5tQc

This is the same person that scammed this WSOP package a few years go. (I believe he has paid back a chunk, but still owes over 20k )
Also, he got arrested for picking up a 13yo girl off craigs list. (Not joking)
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/return-iamhiv-aka-jonathan-drane-1168430/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-selling-shares-online/comprehensive-wsop-package-selling-shares-1-25-revised-789833/
legendary
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Except, the players were paid later and everyone got settled up good. So there is no problem. Even the last guy, ACTIONNN is ok with things now.

This is a lie.  The players were not paid for the stolen rakeback, they were told that they needed to rake the full (original) amount again in order to receive it. 


So it was 100%, then it was 50%, now it's 0. 

I guess the cash games must be booming with business and they don't need people to be starting tables.



...oh.  Guess not.  Why else would they be taking away something that was helping them? 

Here's their current traffic:



So...no.  They have not grown at all. 
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I will offer cashouts from swcpoker if you have less than 20 chips for a 1% fee (plus my transaction fees, your choice whether i use high or low), PM me (PM is better as I get notification) or just post here in the thread how much you send me.

My screen name is "veganhippie"

too bad i've never even heard about you or seen on SWC, neither in chat nor played you on tables;
you can see how there's a trust issue!

Go ahead and ask anyone, I have played more hands than anyone on the site. Ask people in chat if they've seen me. My reputation is solid. Let me know, PM me if you want the cashout.

lol, are you really veganhippie/iamhiv/well known scammer/Somers, Conn. resident who was charged with having sex with 13-year-old girl after responding to Craigslist ad?

gamblor777(on 2p2) = winbig777(on btctalk)
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~snip~

Responded to this on twoplustwo.  Not going to reformat post for btctalk, but here's the post: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=53228525&postcount=781

And here's a screenshot:

newbie
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GUess it's time to get this thread back in action.

Apparently Betcoin has a new "poker room manager" who has also got themselves approved on twoplustwo (most popular online poker forum)

I've repeatedly requested details about this new 'poker room manager' on 2p2 and btctalk and can confirm that they are indeed working for Betcoin (confirmed by 2p2 mods), and not just a troll.  However, they have claimed to be an 'experienced user on poker forums' yet refuse to respond to the question 'who are you!?'

They've decided to just delete my posts in their threads here:
https://i.gyazo.com/2b78dd766cd000ea9721174f3d8fdbe5.png

And ignore my posts on 2p2 (where they can't moderate their own thread) LINK:

Quote from: TwitchySeal;53226903
Summary:
-Betcoin affiliate (xiaoxiao) got really good rakeback deal for his signups(way better than ant other affiliate)
-Eventually xiaoxiao lost all his players rakeback.
-Betcoin locks xiaoxiaos account for not paying players.
-Betcoin tells players they will pay them from what xiaoxiao would of normally be paid.  
-Betcoin keeps all or most of the money for themselves.
-Betcoin banned/censored/ignored players who tried to get to the bottom of issue.


==================
Here are some facts on the xiaoxiao rakeback issue:

For several years, xiaoxiao was able to offer a very good rakeback deal - with a decent VIP level, players were earning a little more than 100% rakeback with ~70% of it coming from xiaoxiao.  Most regs who hadn't signed up under xiaoxiao created new accounts because normal affiliates were being paid less than half of what xiaoxiao was actually returning to players. Here is one of xiaoxiaos original thread on Bitcointalk.

He also ran betcoinrakeback.com (now defunct)

Last spring ( april/may 2017) xiao degened everyones rakeback.  After months of excuses and empty promises he admitted he was broke and came clean in this post.

Betcoin responded on their own forum in this thread. (cliffs below)

Betcoin posted saying that they had frozen xiaoxiaos account, and would be using the funds from his account to pay his players:

===========================
https://i.gyazo.com/93d4a3d96eae3c97746375aed83aaa1c.png
===========================

A couple months late, they decided that the funds that xiaoxiao would of normally been paid would not go to xiaoxiao, or the players that signed up under xiaoxiao.  They would simply be kept by Betcoin:

https://i.gyazo.com/05d5202a56664dd970c82f59a3e79249.png

They have since refused to respond to requests for explanation, blaming xiaoxiao for stealing all that money.  (which he did steal, until they locked his account and began to keep it all for themselves)

Also, they still offer affiliate program: https://www.betcoin.ag/affiliates
==========================

There were 3 ways Betcoin could of handled this situation.

1) Do nothing.  The relationship between an affiliate and a player is just that.  Let the players and the affiliate work things out.

2) Do something.  Lock the affiliates account and pay the players what the affiliate had previously promised - including the cut that the affiliate was keeping for themself until all players were made whole.

3) Lock the affiliate account, and keep all of the funds that would of otherwise been paid to the affiliate (and then the players) for themselves.

Betcoin chose option 3.



Seriously what is wrong with you? First of all it is untrue, they more did option 2 and gave players something. But seriously, how does it feel to just never let something go? Like hold it deep inside and just not be able to get it out of your head? Is something seriously wrong with you dude?

I played on betco.in when it was the only bitcoin poker site...it got "hacked" and I had 100btc on there....the owner said he'd pay me something...but never did...he is still active on this forum...name is "hippich" do you see me literally blowing up his spot all over? and posting everywhere about what a scammer he is? no, because i know im not going to see that money again...does this mean the hippich guy is a scammer? because he couldnt cover the money i voluntarily sent him to risk on gambling, knowing something might go wrong?

any money you ever sent in a deposit to betcoin, you knew something could go wrong...well something went wrong and you feel you or your friends didnt get full value on your money...sorry to hear that but at the end of the day let things go dude...its been months now...they site is still operating and theres no more issues like that, your rakeback appears and thats all you get, its right now every time, and theres plenty of traffic...either come back and play or go play elsewhere, but youre going to give yourself an ulcer man if you dont stop obsessing about this
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Except, the players were paid later and everyone got settled up good. So there is no problem. Even the last guy, ACTIONNN is ok with things now. People make mistakes. It's not a great thing but it doesn't change the fact that it was a good deal while it lasted, and everyone made a lot of money from it. Now the site actually has traffic and is growing, and bitcoin is going up.
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GUess it's time to get this thread back in action.

Apparently Betcoin has a new "poker room manager" who has also got themselves approved on twoplustwo (most popular online poker forum)

I've repeatedly requested details about this new 'poker room manager' on 2p2 and btctalk and can confirm that they are indeed working for Betcoin (confirmed by 2p2 mods), and not just a troll.  However, they have claimed to be an 'experienced user on poker forums' yet refuse to respond to the question 'who are you!?'

They've decided to just delete my posts in their threads here:


And ignore my posts on 2p2 (where they can't moderate their own thread) LINK:

Quote from: TwitchySeal;53226903
Summary:
-Betcoin affiliate (xiaoxiao) got really good rakeback deal for his signups(way better than ant other affiliate)
-Eventually xiaoxiao lost all his players rakeback.
-Betcoin locks xiaoxiaos account for not paying players.
-Betcoin tells players they will pay them from what xiaoxiao would of normally be paid.   
-Betcoin keeps all or most of the money for themselves.
-Betcoin banned/censored/ignored players who tried to get to the bottom of issue.


==================
Here are some facts on the xiaoxiao rakeback issue:

For several years, xiaoxiao was able to offer a very good rakeback deal - with a decent VIP level, players were earning a little more than 100% rakeback with ~70% of it coming from xiaoxiao.  Most regs who hadn't signed up under xiaoxiao created new accounts because normal affiliates were being paid less than half of what xiaoxiao was actually returning to players. Here is one of xiaoxiaos original thread on Bitcointalk.

He also ran betcoinrakeback.com (now defunct)

Last spring ( april/may 2017) xiao degened everyones rakeback.  After months of excuses and empty promises he admitted he was broke and came clean in this post.

Betcoin responded on their own forum in this thread. (cliffs below)

Betcoin posted saying that they had frozen xiaoxiaos account, and would be using the funds from his account to pay his players:

===========================

===========================

A couple months late, they decided that the funds that xiaoxiao would of normally been paid would not go to xiaoxiao, or the players that signed up under xiaoxiao.  They would simply be kept by Betcoin:



They have since refused to respond to requests for explanation, blaming xiaoxiao for stealing all that money.  (which he did steal, until they locked his account and began to keep it all for themselves)

Also, they still offer affiliate program: https://www.betcoin.ag/affiliates
==========================

There were 3 ways Betcoin could of handled this situation.

1) Do nothing.  The relationship between an affiliate and a player is just that.  Let the players and the affiliate work things out.

2) Do something.  Lock the affiliates account and pay the players what the affiliate had previously promised - including the cut that the affiliate was keeping for themself until all players were made whole.

3) Lock the affiliate account, and keep all of the funds that would of otherwise been paid to the affiliate (and then the players) for themselves.

Betcoin chose option 3.

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is there not a "censored"/offical Betcoin thread anymore? It used to be very active, and seems to have disappeared... has Betcoin just gone down the shitter the past few months/since the BetcoinRakeback fiasco?
The "censored" betcoin thread was banned for 2 or 3 weeks for spamming!

A lot of players left after the rakeback theft and canceling of the extra rakeback and shortly after they had to reduce their army of 70 promoters!

With bacon you catches mices, but if the stock is running low then less mices will come!  Cheesy

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Incredible article just posted on Betcoin about Black Jack, it's history and betting strategies.

https://archive.is/QbA7v#selection-1241.0-1249.107

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Martin Gale Bitcoin Blackjack Strategy
One of the most popular winning bitcoin blackjack strategies was developed by a mathematician Martin Gale.

(Strategy is actually called martingale and has nothing to do with anyone named Martin or Gale...)



I doubt they could have any more contempt for their customers.

Yeah, they banned me (for 14th time) after pointing out Martin Gale didn't exist in the comments.

Didn't bother fixing the article though...

LOL....Okay, I'll give you this one.  The infamous Martin Gale is an elusive figure for sure ---> If you need help figuring out what they're talking about here's a link: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25/probability/martingale-dummies-asking-not-giving-one-345470/
legendary
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is there not a "censored"/offical Betcoin thread anymore? It used to be very active, and seems to have disappeared... has Betcoin just gone down the shitter the past few months/since the BetcoinRakeback fiasco?

Betcoin's business model revolves around stealing money from poor people.  Because of the massive rise in price of bitcoin, those people aren't able to buy much and are more hesitant to spend it.  Think about it...a year ago, $20 would have bought you .0285 worth of bitcoin.  After fees, you'd have .028 in your account.  Today that same $20 only buys .0032.  The fees are going to eat up almost a fifth of that, and that's just to send it one place.  If you have added fees for buying via credit card or paypal, or send it to a wallet before a gambling site, you'd be lucky if you saw even $10 worth of bitcoin in your actual account.

So the people that Betcoin caters to are less likely to buy bitcoin, less likely to deposit bitcoin, and less likely to spend bitcoin (since their miniums haven't changed).  Combine that with more and more people seeing how scummy they are AND the fact that they've skinned their proverbial sheeps, and Betcoin/Jessica White don't have much incentive to market anymore.  Anyone halfway intelligent has seen their scummy ways and has moved on to one of the other multitude of WPN skins, and anyone dumb enough to fall for their traps is already broke.
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is there not a "censored"/offical Betcoin thread anymore? It used to be very active, and seems to have disappeared... has Betcoin just gone down the shitter the past few months/since the BetcoinRakeback fiasco?
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