Ethics of boxing and gambling - page 6.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on July 28, 2021, 06:30:45 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

This has been already established entertainment which also been adopted through betting because it's a huge gambling business by bigger promotions. They paid a huge amount of money just to make it legal around the world, money works in order make things put into settlement. When they don't fulfill the requirements for the safety of the boxing match, it won't be possible to launch the game. So every aspects will be followed according to rules and regulations.

Everything is really having that specific set of rules and regulations to be followed because they would really be needing for everything to be organized and would really be far from accidents which might really
result into negative impression in the masses and we know that once a business do really end up on having bad impressions then it is really a bad thing and possibly cant really be continue.
Its true that this is already an established entertainment and same goes in other sports as well.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

This has been already established entertainment which also been adopted through betting because it's a huge gambling business by bigger promotions. They paid a huge amount of money just to make it legal around the world, money works in order make things put into settlement. When they don't fulfill the requirements for the safety of the boxing match, it won't be possible to launch the game. So every aspects will be followed according to rules and regulations.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on July 28, 2021, 08:33:09 AM

it is legal because the boxers are profesionals. they have been in training for months and even years to condition their body so that they can endure fatal damages .
aside from it there are also medical assistance , safety gears , pro referees and rules to make the game more safer but betting thru it can be illegal if done anywhere because some people are anti gambling .

yeah right, those boxers have their trainings to condition both mind and body, they are well aware to possible thing that will happened to them if they are not properly prepared before and during the fight. Though we can't remove the fact that accident is always present and some unavoided punch may hit crucial nerves causing fighter to die or being paralyze.

But even danger is more possible from this sport, there are still many young aspiring fighters who continue to train harder in hope that one day they'll be able to step on the ring and fight.

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First of all I think you should ask why athletes still want to practice boxing knowing all these negative consequences you mentioned and are well known nowadays by everyone, since we can observe the example of retired fighters who had their bodies broken or deformed and mental health heavily damaged.

I believe some people are too violent and this kind of sport works as a solution to avoid them being aggressive in their daily life.
You can see many children who bully or punch other kids at schools are sent to practice a fight sport like boxing. So it's not totally bad and if there people willing to gamble on this sport at least they are helping those athletes to keep the sport going on and letting them have a career for living.

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The bottomline of all this somewhat ethical breach in sports like MMA, Boxing, or even slapping tournaments is the fact that this is all done for money. Pretty sure they get paid alright and are given enough care while in the ring, except of course for a notable few cases where neglect and misconduct costed a fighter their career or worse, their life. The betting I think is justified especially if it is precedented by the organizers themselves because the fighters will have a cut in the win. So it's all really at least fairly ethical and alright for me.

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on July 28, 2021, 10:57:20 AM

There is no one forcing anyone to box. It is completely up to the boxers themselves whether or not they want to take on the risks that come with boxing. Back in the day we didn’t know exactly all of the health issues that were involved but today with modern medicine we do, so again, the boxers have full knowledge of the risks being taken. Same goes for sports like NFL football.

Of course there is also the option of not partaking in extreme sports, but then again the temptation of a better life that you could provide your family oftentimes outweigh the care and regard for your well-being that you'd be willing to put your life in the line for that chance.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Boxing still be categorized like martial arts. and some people said its still part of sport. but the slapping tournament is indeed quite unique because it is not categorized as a sport or martial arts. just seeing who was the strongest with the slap was indeed quite strange. and in my country there is no such thing . looks like it's booming on the internet and going viral and without a doubt there are people who like things like that too. i never saw casino had gambling option for slapping tournament.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on July 28, 2021, 10:57:20 AM

There is no one forcing anyone to box. It is completely up to the boxers themselves whether or not they want to take on the risks that come with boxing. Back in the day we didn’t know exactly all of the health issues that were involved but today with modern medicine we do, so again, the boxers have full knowledge of the risks being taken. Same goes for sports like NFL football.

exactly, the boxers are fully aware of the risk. the only way that his sport will become unethical is if the boxer in question is being forced to fight against their will.

Quote from: avikz on July 28, 2021, 11:41:05 AM

Boxing is still mild. Think about freestyle wrestling and then you will understand the actual brutal sport. But the wrestlers and boxers are compensated very well considering the amount of risk they are taking. And yes, slapping tournament is also very brutal. I am sure many players suffer brain injuries due to the impact they receive on their skull.

yeah, MMA alone is a lot more brutal than boxing. have you heard about where a trans woman cracked her opponent's skull dung an MMA fight?

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Boxing is still mild. Think about freestyle wrestling and then you will understand the actual brutal sport. But the wrestlers and boxers are compensated very well considering the amount of risk they are taking. And yes, slapping tournament is also very brutal. I am sure many players suffer brain injuries due to the impact they receive on their skull.

But anyway, it's upto the government to decide whether a sports is legal or brutal. Many people like brutal sports and hence freestyle wrestling has fans worldwide. Some certain things may not feel right for you and me, so the doors are open for us. We can choose not to watch brutal sports or not to bet on them. But they are a great source of revenue for government, event organizers and betting companies. What some minority of people thinks, has no value!

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There is no one forcing anyone to box. It is completely up to the boxers themselves whether or not they want to take on the risks that come with boxing. Back in the day we didn’t know exactly all of the health issues that were involved but today with modern medicine we do, so again, the boxers have full knowledge of the risks being taken. Same goes for sports like NFL football.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Based on what is speaking, it is considered that this sport has effects on the person in the long term, I trained in Hapkido since child, and on many occasions I trained with the Boxing guys and really, for me, they are the ones who better fight And they have more physical conditions.

In Hapkido, I left it since I had to go to college and because I really saw many friends accidents, and the emotion of many years that I felt was not the same. Hapkido As Boxing is considered contact sports that handle large amounts of money, especially to bet. Boxers, when they offer a lot of money is when they decide to go will fight even though their integrity has a lot of risk, that is, they accept those challenges it is for money, and they are usually large sums of money, since they generally forget the physical damage . Here it is where ethics by coaches and organizers is not so important and forget it, as well as other values that are left behind.

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Quote from: Cling18 on July 28, 2021, 08:42:03 AM

It's almost part of the culture and to be honest, some people are really enjoying this kind of sport. People could gamble on anything no matter how brutal it is. We could even gamble on simple things so what more on sports like this? It's our personal choice if we'll bet on this type of sport or not but for many people, they find it entertaining.

Like other gambling, entertainment is the desire of gamblers to continue to satisfy what they think can be profitable. It doesn't matter what kind of sport you say, because the important thing is to bet on what you see, then ignore the consequences.
There is no prohibition against gambling, as long as it is outside the context of the game, and the bettors are not in it, then they are free to bet on the boxer they feel is the champion who will win.

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Quote from: robelneo on July 28, 2021, 09:03:11 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on July 27, 2021, 04:47:15 PM

A boxer knows the risk, once they enter into boxing, they know that they could be seriously injured and worst is they could die.

A head injury could really be one of the riskiest condition a boxer could get, just like this one.
https://sports.inquirer.net/33535/undefeated-filipino-boxer-dies-after-fight-injury

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MANILA, Philippines—An undefeated Filipino boxer has died after sustaining head injuries during a fight and falling into a coma, a hospital official said Saturday.

Flyweight Karlo Maquinto, 21, died in hospital on Friday, Dr. Chester Tan, a surgeon at the Far Eastern University Hospital told Agence France-Presse.

I think there are a lot more similar cases like this.

That's true that is why we need competent referees and doctors to monitor the welfare of every fight and make a stoppage whenever necessary, I have seen it many fights, the boxers after a knockdown looks good but the referee made a stoppage because he cannot respond correctly on a simple question, a fighter who is struggling to get up has a warning sign for a referee to stop it when necessary to avoid furhter injury.

I don't think that would really be a big help, the doctor only sees the reaction of the fighter, they can't diagnose what is really happening inside the body and sometimes the effect does not show right away.

Another example is Z Gorrez, a Filipino fighter who won his fight but was critical after the fight.
After what happened, he never did fight again as he needs long-term therapy due to brain damage.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/11/14/09/z-gorres-wins-over-columbian-foe-rushed-hospital

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 27, 2021, 04:47:15 PM

A boxer knows the risk, once they enter into boxing, they know that they could be seriously injured and worst is they could die.

A head injury could really be one of the riskiest condition a boxer could get, just like this one.
https://sports.inquirer.net/33535/undefeated-filipino-boxer-dies-after-fight-injury

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MANILA, Philippines—An undefeated Filipino boxer has died after sustaining head injuries during a fight and falling into a coma, a hospital official said Saturday.

Flyweight Karlo Maquinto, 21, died in hospital on Friday, Dr. Chester Tan, a surgeon at the Far Eastern University Hospital told Agence France-Presse.

I think there are a lot more similar cases like this.

That's true that is why we need competent referees and doctors to monitor the welfare of every fight and make a stoppage whenever necessary, I have seen it many fights, the boxers after a knockdown looks good but the referee made a stoppage because he cannot respond correctly on a simple question, a fighter who is struggling to get up has a warning sign for a referee to stop it when necessary to avoid furhter injury.

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It's almost part of the culture and to be honest, some people are really enjoying this kind of sport. People could gamble on anything no matter how brutal it is. We could even gamble on simple things so what more on sports like this? It's our personal choice if we'll bet on this type of sport or not but for many people, they find it entertaining.

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it is legal because the boxers are profesionals. they have been in training for months and even years to condition their body so that they can endure fatal damages .
aside from it there are also medical assistance , safety gears , pro referees and rules to make the game more safer but betting thru it can be illegal if done anywhere because some people are anti gambling .

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 27, 2021, 10:40:17 AM

That depends on the country and how they recognize boxing if the sport becomes illegal then other fighting sport might be affected as well depending on the reasoning of the government.

Many countries will still allow MMA or other physical body contacts, but if that is related to gambling, that will depend on the country's regulation.

Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 27, 2021, 04:34:02 PM

^ It will remain because it has rules that should be followed in each game. Boxing sports was now very common because there are too many people who enjoyed it and I think it will exist for a long period of time. This game is not quite a bloody game because all players had gloves that protect and the points were counted per punch. Though it is risky a little bit I think this is not an illegal sport. However, I have heard that there is no formal legalization of boxing sports or the same on boxing like Jodo, Wrestling, and fencing, or any activity that we might think is a brutal game.
Nevertheless, fighters in these games have strict limits on how often any fighter can fight, and also, they are very intensive drug testing and strict monitoring of fighters who take a beating.

That is what I think before about boxing because that sport is already with us for a long time ago and it will still exist because many people like that sport. But we also see what impact some boxers have had in a long time as this sport needs to control the rule. The vibration of the punch will impact their body and that can affect them in the future, no matter if they can eliminate the power from the opponent.

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A boxer knows the risk, once they enter into boxing, they know that they could be seriously injured and worst is they could die.

A head injury could really be one of the riskiest condition a boxer could get, just like this one.
https://sports.inquirer.net/33535/undefeated-filipino-boxer-dies-after-fight-injury

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MANILA, Philippines—An undefeated Filipino boxer has died after sustaining head injuries during a fight and falling into a coma, a hospital official said Saturday.

Flyweight Karlo Maquinto, 21, died in hospital on Friday, Dr. Chester Tan, a surgeon at the Far Eastern University Hospital told Agence France-Presse.

I think there are a lot more similar cases like this.

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Quote from: michellee on July 27, 2021, 10:00:47 AM

If boxing is prohibited, the casino will delete boxing from their game and will not try to invite the gambler to place their bet. But if boxing is prohibited, how about MMA or other physical body contacts? Maybe that type of sports will also prohibit because of the trauma and the side effect that the players can get in the long term. If so, the casino will also delete it from their games. As a sport available in many countries, boxing is still one of the sports and boxing has had fans for a long time. If boxing is prohibited or it becomes illegal activity, what their fan will say with that.

^ It will remain because it has rules that should be followed in each game. Boxing sports was now very common because there are too many people who enjoyed it and I think it will exist for a long period of time. This game is not quite a bloody game because all players had gloves that protect and the points were counted per punch. Though it is risky a little bit I think this is not an illegal sport. However, I have heard that there is no formal legalization of boxing sports or the same on boxing like Jodo, Wrestling, and fencing, or any activity that we might think is a brutal game.
Nevertheless, fighters in these games have strict limits on how often any fighter can fight, and also, they are very intensive drug testing and strict monitoring of fighters who take a beating.

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Almost all sports end in traumas: football, basketball, cycling, etc., it’s inevitable. But I see your point with boxing, the whole idea is to hurt the opponent and I agree, come to think of it, it’s pretty cruel. I don’t really get these kinds of sports either, but certain people enjoy it, because, sad as it is, it’s in human nature.

It all is depicted in history: gladiator fights were the most prestigious form of entertainment in the Roman Republic, where a crowd of people watched the contestants kill each other, and, afaik, the audience also made bets.

Nowadays that would be considered inappropriate, but the thrust for violence is still out there, so we have fights. Who knows, maybe in decades these games will be banned. But while there’s demand - it will go on.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Boxing is not just about hitting the opponents, its about taking the point by right punches in head or the other way is knocking out the opponent before the rounds up!

Boxers are trained for it and modern day boxing is a lot safer and much strict rules compared to the old english boxing style so its accepted as a sport and if we are afraid of death we can't even walk outisde our house even we can sleep on a bed because we still have a chance for the floor to collapse and fall on our head. Grin

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