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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

As long it would give out that entertainment and would be some sort of hit to masses then it would really be legally allowed since they could see the potential for it to be monetized or would

simply make out some revenue if they do intend to show up into the public and make out some bets.Those health risk is common and for sure that those fighters would really be aware on that one.

If we do look back or tend to count or percentage of those people who had died or make out some incident of health then it is just small.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Maybe you have a point about the injuries that can be sustained, however people have been attacking each other since the beginning of time and it is possibly the earliest "sport" that you could ever record. It is the very definition of survival of the fittest and does show a degree of athleticism which can be admired. Kids can hit and bully each other from an early age, so it'll always be worth teaching the art of self defense. However repeated fights might be much more damaging to a young mind that is still growing, so maybe it needs to be banned by anyone under the age of 18 or 21 - allowing them to fully physically mature, then they can make the right decision.

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Boxing is a sport and it's different from gambling.

Gambling is just being applied on it since it's also being applied for any competitive battle that people can bet on. It's been there since ancient times and it's a physical sport.

There's also UFC that's giving more damage to its fighters.

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This has been a culture for centuries and cannot be changed in this era. I believe the organisers must have given the athletes a breakdown of the consequences and risk involved in boxing tournament as well as the dangers the would be exposed to. I just feel everyone choose his or her own carrier and has fans gambling in a boxing tournament is just a way of supporting their favourite athlete

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 26, 2021, 07:27:37 AM

I don't know man, but MMA is more brutal than boxing.
The question still remains when most people are against violence and brutality, but here we are watching a "legal" brutal fight live and enjoyed the fight and worse placing a bet on whose to win the fight.
My mind literally blew when some group of people who are against cock fighting because it was considered as animal cruelty, but how come they have no voice against human brutality lol.

That's the bus we saw on the TV screen. Do you remember the UFC was even worse, they were definitely more brutal. Even a few years ago when UFC was still banned from broadcasting in various countries, especially in the country where I was considered a banned sport.
However, currently there is an MMA version of the UFC by applying several different rules. Try to see when at the UFC during the match Royce Gracie was famous for his small stature with a fairly attached wrestling technique. and of course, it's now banned.
Well, the question is whether it's appropriate for gambling, be it boxing, MMA, or even the UFC with the consequences of being paralyzed or injured. We as gamblers can only rely on victory without thinking about humanity.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event.

Boxing and other related sports used to be very "real" back then. But right now it seems like a joke and all staged. Is there really a "slapping tournament"? Lol, why...

Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

What does boxers suffering from micro-trauma has to do with betting on those games being legal and ethical? This is a sports game. There is a winner and a loser. So you can bet on those. You can literally bet on anything that has an outcome. I don't see anything wrong over here. If two person decides to hit each other for money, then you are also free to bet on them.

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Like the others have mentioned boxing is an old and famous sport that's why betting is allowed, it's hard to apply ethics since they're getting paid to put up a performance as it's a part of entertainment for others and as much as possible they have to give their all if they want to keep their career going. Injuries are inevitable since that's how fighting sports goes but nowadays I think the sport is less life threatening as referees are quick in stopping the fight when things get out of hand.

Quote from: michellee on July 27, 2021, 11:00:47 AM

If boxing is prohibited, the casino will delete boxing from their game and will not try to invite the gambler to place their bet. But if boxing is prohibited, how about MMA or other physical body contacts?

That depends on the country and how they recognize boxing if the sport becomes illegal then other fighting sport might be affected as well depending on the reasoning of the government.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

These kinds of matches have been with us since time immemorial because in the olden times there were gladiators, and boxers are modern gladiators, but the big difference is there are protections compared to the olden days there is a time limit now and there's a referee and doctors that can and will stop the fight when the boxer is hurt, although dangerous it's legal because there are steps that will protect competitors, we human love to see and admire courage, speed, and power and it is personified in the world of contact sports like boxing and MMA.

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If boxing is prohibited, the casino will delete boxing from their game and will not try to invite the gambler to place their bet. But if boxing is prohibited, how about MMA or other physical body contacts? Maybe that type of sports will also prohibit because of the trauma and the side effect that the players can get in the long term. If so, the casino will also delete it from their games. As a sport available in many countries, boxing is still one of the sports and boxing has had fans for a long time. If boxing is prohibited or it becomes illegal activity, what their fan will say with that.

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its considered sports though, i'm sure MMA is nastier than boxing. you can see how hard it is to fight when a fighter is mounted on thd ground and struggling to carry the wieght of this opponent while being pounded by fists. regardless of those traumas that there atheletes will get, its their profession.

government has the habit of legalizing things that are illegal for centuries. alcohol or canabis for example was once illegal. MMA are just done underground as far as i know now its on every sportsbookies.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. for all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported?

I guess it's because they are not forced to fight each other and they do it on their own accord. sure there have been cases where the boxer sustains a severe injury or even death(which is extremely tragic) but they know those risks and are willing to take it.

Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

sure it may look and sound unethical, but why not? the fight is broadcasted worldwide a lot of people and gamblers are watching and it's not like betting on their fight would affect them in any way.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

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Many modern entertainments do not adhere to ethical principles. Slap competitions are just one of them. If we talk about violations of the law, they are simply non-existent. So it's just a few crazy guys getting together to test their heads.)

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Boxing and martial arts in general are one of the oldest and most traditional sports around and i am 100% sure they will still be around in a 100 years. It is true though that every martial arts where you can get hit on the head a lot of times with heavy force can have a severe consequences for the rest of the life of the athletes. That being said i think that those sports have evolved quite a lot already. We are not in the seventies anymore where boxer that could not defend themself anymore still received 10 heavy punches before the referee interfered and stopped the fight. Nowadays the referee stops the fight almost immediately if a boxer is not defending himself anymore and it's the same in the UFC. Also the heads of the athletes get now checked very regularly and if anything is wrong then the doctors would prohibit that the boxer fights again.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Yes, this is a very interesting question ...

How ethical is it in the 21st century to hit each other in the face? At the same time, athletes not only beat each other in the face, but also get paid for it!

Even more questions arise for those people who do not participate in battles themselves, but place bets on the outcome of the fight. In fact, we are going back several centuries.

During the decline of the Roman Empire, when gladiator fights were very popular. A very good television series “Spartacus. Blood and Sand".

Has the morality and ethics of the 21st century remained at the level of ancient times?

It worries and depresses me very much ...

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Quote from: harizen on July 26, 2021, 07:59:15 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

This kind of discussion is somehow related when the topic is about religion and politics - the argument is based on our own view and no winner to be agreed with.

I'm betting with boxing with no such issues internally and techincally about the sports, so in the end, we have different views about this and any statement that I will say will not be favored to those who are not comfortable overall with the sports.

So I will just put it this way, if what's everyone thinks about this, then just lived with it.

Boxing is a combat sport and has been established already in the world of sports. So I don't think we need to argue now regarding its nature. So if you are not into this kind of sports, just don't watch or bet because its presence in the sports industry has already been built a long time ago. This is why there are also rules inside the ring and the referee to interfere fouls committed by boxers, in addition to their regular roles inside the ring.

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For me, etbics in boxing doesn't really apply, I mean it's a sport and if you are a fundamental and strong opposition of violence then it will be a problem since people love bloodsports and many will be upset because they didn't have their animalistic impulses appeased because someone mentions the ethics of this contact sports.

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Quote from: alegotardo on July 26, 2021, 10:39:02 AM

Everything is a matter of perspective. We see, for example, the F1 races that pay much more risk to the lives of the participants than boxing, but nobody thinks about banning them despite the countless deaths that have already occurred.

maybe it's because most people use cars to go to places of long distance and they always have accidents on the roads due to many factors, but it is easier to accept car racing because if someone died in car racing it was due to an accident, but if someone dying in a boxing match would hardly accept because without a doubt that the blame will be due to the many punches they took from the opponent

Quote from: alegotardo on July 26, 2021, 10:39:02 AM

Boxing doesn't encourage violence, so much so that discipline is one of the main principles among those who practice any sport like "fighting" between participants, but many peoples see brutality and bloodshed as something too horrifying to be called a sport.

I see people on the streets when they disagree with something they fight and just observe that many of them have learned to throw punches like what I see watching boxi and various other fights on TV

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:06:18 AM

For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

This kind of discussion is somehow related when the topic is about religion and politics - the argument is based on our own view and no winner to be agreed with.

I'm betting with boxing with no such issues internally and techincally about the sports, so in the end, we have different views about this and any statement that I will say will not be favored to those who are not comfortable overall with the sports.

So I will just put it this way, if what's everyone thinks about this, then just lived with it.

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I mean, they went into boxing under their own judgement, not forced or whatnot by anyone. It's a sport, yes, but at it's core, it's just really two people beating each other up, quite simple no? I guess they added that certain flavor of sportsmanship into boxing, not really a fan but there's something there that makes it just much more than two people punching each other. The thing is though, boxers agreed to it, and so gambling about it officially doesn't seem to be actually wrong imo. The excuse of boxers receiving trauma and injury and whatnot is basically part of the agreement they had with themselves when they entered into boxing.

Gambling for it, well, tbh, anything could basically be a stage for gambling. It isn't really in the first place being ethical or not, as long as it's possible, then it is.

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If you look back history way the time of rome emperors there are already games like this which they simply settle dispute thru fighting of each camp's champ. This is brutal because they fight to death. The sports today is way civilized because of the rules, they even have medics with them ready.

During the time of Tyson, when refferee sees the boxers still raises his hand, he is still good to fight. Today, when the referree sees the boxer can't catch up his breath he has to convince the side to throw a towel. Cheesy

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