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Topic: Ethnic cleansing in Ukraine. - page 14. (Read 19784 times)

legendary
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May 23, 2014, 08:59:50 AM
#93
Yes, that one. Though the Romanian claim is valid as well.
In 1944 the war was still raging. It's what happened after 1945, which territories were annexed, or kept as trophies, that counts. As well as what the people who live on these territories want to do with them now.
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Blackjack.fun
May 23, 2014, 08:28:17 AM
#92

I find it interesting to observe how such articles fail to notice the elephant in the room.

Statements from the article:
1. Russia seeks to to "grab" South-Eastern territories
 (1a. historic fact: Russian territory of Novorossia was illegally annexed to Ukraine by Lenin in 1917-1918)
2. Transcarpathia was illegally annexed to Ukraine by Stalin after WWII.
4. Western minorities seek independence.
5. Kiev should preserve territorial integrity.

From all that it follows that UN-prescribed self-determination of peoples is bad, that restoring historical justice is bad, that keeping a country united against the will of the people by use of force is good.

Wasn't it also illegally annexed by the Russians in 1944?
And I don't thin this is the only region with problems.

Just to make sure , you're referring to this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia
not the one the Romanians claim?


legendary
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Blackjack.fun
May 23, 2014, 08:22:43 AM
#91

More trash from the Daily Mail. Only a small mention about the civilians killed and property destroyed by the Right Sector. And the article claims that the Donetsk People's Army was responsible for the Volnovakha incident, although it seems now that the Kolomoysky bandits were responsible for it. No mention about Kolomoysky in the article as well.


I am not a big fan of the Daily Mail. But I don' think that they are any worse off than the other popular British trash, such as The Guardian. All of the major dailies in the UK do have a tarnished reputation. And DM is no different.

You're still reading that paper? That ain't no newspaper it's a piece of electronic toilet paper.
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legendary
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May 23, 2014, 07:01:33 AM
#89
Much more interesting that Transcarpathia ideologically closer to the eastern regions than its neighbors. This can be seen in the results of elections as well.

I wouldn't say it is ideologically closer to the Eastern regions. The Party of the Regions used to get 70%-90% of the vote in the East, while only around 30%-40% in Transacarpathia. The support is higher in the minority inhabited areas (Hungarian, Romanian).
legendary
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May 23, 2014, 03:46:07 AM
#88
Much more interesting that Transcarpathia ideologically closer to the eastern regions than its neighbors. This can be seen in the results of elections as well.
legendary
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May 23, 2014, 03:39:16 AM
#87

I find it interesting to observe how such articles fail to notice the elephant in the room.

Statements from the article:
1. Russia seeks to to "grab" South-Eastern territories
 (1a. historic fact: Russian territory of Novorossia was illegally annexed to Ukraine by Lenin in 1917-1918)
2. Transcarpathia was illegally annexed to Ukraine by Stalin after WWII.
4. Western minorities seek independence.
5. Kiev should preserve territorial integrity.

From all that it follows that UN-prescribed self-determination of peoples is bad, that restoring historical justice is bad, that keeping a country united against the will of the people by use of force is good.
legendary
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May 23, 2014, 03:37:08 AM
#86
Any conflict with Transcarpathia will be fatal for Kiev's junta. The number of weapons here is larger than the number of people. It's better to give them what they want before they'll shoot them all.
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legendary
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May 23, 2014, 03:21:10 AM
#84
I may be wrong bt i feel in name of  'Ethnic cleansing' brutility is done. It destoys many cultural heritage of the world
legendary
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May 22, 2014, 11:33:34 PM
#83

More trash from the Daily Mail. Only a small mention about the civilians killed and property destroyed by the Right Sector. And the article claims that the Donetsk People's Army was responsible for the Volnovakha incident, although it seems now that the Kolomoysky bandits were responsible for it. No mention about Kolomoysky in the article as well.
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May 22, 2014, 05:17:51 PM
#81
Children of Slavyansk playing war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKrW_YqcFro
legendary
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May 22, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
#79

Seems as a copy&paste of ww2 propaganda leaflets. It's not funny, unfortunately.
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May 22, 2014, 11:29:53 AM
#78
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
May 22, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
#77
More trouble for the Kiev junta.  Grin

90% of the Transcarpathians want to secede from Ukraine, says Mayor of Uzhgorod, S Ratushnjack.

http://forum.krasnodona.net/topic/297-90-zakarpatja-hotjat-otdelitsja-ot-ukraini/

It makes perfect sense:

Uzhgorod Mayor Sergei Ratushnyak during a chat conference broke another portion of statements on political and historical themes "This decree is necessary to cancel ... - said the mayor of Viktor Yushchenko conferring the title of Hero of Ukraine General Shukhevich. - As for the citizen by the name of Yushchenko, elected in the third round, not the legislation, it is the man who came to power in such a way as if torn glands, crawling through the anus. Seen through the anus and he will "- added Ratushnjack. "Regarding all the entire history of Galicia and the UPA. There is a truth that someone fought against Soviet rule from them. Then why did they fight, they argue, fascism is not recognized by Europeans as did the struggle against fascism? Basically, the world is polar: Moscow and was Berlin was Hitler. If he was against Moscow, so he was in the Hitler coalition, therefore, in coalition with the Third Reich. It is also true that stry, Sambor and Lviv - children, old men and women met in beautiful cotton dresses, with flowers and festive shoes entrance there Hitler coalition. It's true. But if we re-did for it will continue to hate each other, we must recognize that a project called "Ukraine" frustrated than successfully uses ethnicity, which after all was a contribution, although the least affected in this war, and it successfully enjoys "- quoted from the Transcarpathian nugget-UA. "Almost every one of our regions - is a subculture. Also Transcarpathian, Chernivtsi and Crimean there are about a dozen subcultures. So if we do not love ourselves as one people, beautiful and unique in its diversity - we are a failed state. And the best option for us - Yugoslav scenario, so no blood passed, otherwise it will be bloody, "- stated Ratushnjack. "Do not just do federalization, we get at least 6 of the individual," - said the mayor. "We have more than 90% in Transcarpathia want to be separated. This is a serious fact, and this must be considered, "- declared the mayor of Uzhgorod. Earlier, Yushchenko issued a decree number 965/2007 dated October 12, awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine Shukhevich with awarding the Order of the State (posthumously).


Am I the only one in this thread not reading russian?
legendary
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May 22, 2014, 10:44:58 AM
#76
More trouble for the Kiev junta.  Grin

90% of the Transcarpathians want to secede from Ukraine, says Mayor of Uzhgorod, S Ratushnjack.

http://forum.krasnodona.net/topic/297-90-zakarpatja-hotjat-otdelitsja-ot-ukraini/
legendary
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May 22, 2014, 09:57:05 AM
#75
Thanks for the translation. That is one piece of garbage as I see it. Nobody sane enough would believe such thing.

One thing , it is written in russian or in ukrainean ?

It's written in Russian. There is on little detail, though.
In Russian "to Ukraine" is written as "na Ukrainu", while the Ukrainian form is "v Ukrainu". The poster uses Ukrainian form.
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May 22, 2014, 09:55:35 AM
#74

Well , that does it.
It looks even more stupid this way. At least use your native language if you call yourself nationalist.


LOL
"Ukrainian Neo Nazi" use Russian language.
See this footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw4CBAFY28E
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