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legendary
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Blackjack.fun
May 22, 2014, 10:48:37 AM
#73

One thing , it is written in russian or in ukrainean ?



This is directed to Ukrainians in Russian Federation. Many of them use Russian as first language.
Text is in Russian.

Well , that does it.
It looks even more stupid this way. At least use your native language if you call yourself nationalist.
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May 22, 2014, 10:47:28 AM
#72

One thing , it is written in russian or in ukrainean ?



This is directed to Ukrainians in Russian Federation. Many of them use Russian as first language.
Text is in Russian.

No idea about where image is taken. (use google image search/tineye)
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May 22, 2014, 10:45:35 AM
#71
What is that picture or paper saying?

Promising to push out Russians from Ukraine and give appartaments and houses to Ukrainians, who live actually in Russian Federation.
Ethnic cleansing propaganda.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
May 22, 2014, 10:43:38 AM
#70

Hmm, what a load... I haven't decided if it's propaganda or anti-propaganda.

The leaflet asks in no uncertain terms that Ukrainians who work or study in Russia should return and fight for Ukraine, eliminating all resistance in the south-east, pushing people there into Russia, and eliminating the Jews in Odessa. It says the president of the US guarantees all students who return, a place in the American, Canadian or British universities, and the EU guarantees all workers who return a workplace on EU territory. And it merrily finished with assertion that all Ukrainians will be provided with housing/flats, previously inhabited by Russian-speakers or Jews. And gibbers about great Ukrainian Nation and its destiny to do great thing.

(From me: Yes the Kiev Right Sector thugs are going "great things, terrible, yes, but great". Ollivander put it really well).

Thanks for the translation. That is one piece of garbage as I see it. Nobody sane enough would believe such thing.

One thing , it is written in russian or in ukrainean ?

legendary
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May 22, 2014, 10:40:18 AM
#69


Hmm, what a load... I haven't decided if it's propaganda or anti-propaganda.

The leaflet asks in no uncertain terms that Ukrainians who work or study in Russia should return and fight for Ukraine, eliminating all resistance in the south-east, pushing people there into Russia, and eliminating the Jews in Odessa. It promises pay of $1500 to $6000 to those joining armed forces. It says the president of the US guarantees all students who return, a place in the American, Canadian or British universities, and the EU guarantees all workers who return a workplace on EU territory. And it merrily finished with assertion that all Ukrainians will be provided with housing/flats, previously inhabited by Russian-speakers or Jews. And gibbers about great Ukrainian Nation and its destiny to do great thing.

(From me: Yes the Kiev Right Sector thugs are going "great things, terrible, yes, but great". Ollivander put it really well).
(Another note, regarding pay. The resistance in the south-east are risking their lives without any pay for defend their homeland. Those who need payment to defend their nation are no patriots. Besides, the leaflet fails to mention a free bullet to anyone who later changes their mind...)
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
May 22, 2014, 10:39:22 AM
#68


What is that picture or paper saying?

off topic , is there any translator for images that can detect text in a picture like OCR?
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May 22, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
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legendary
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May 22, 2014, 08:29:27 AM
#65
EXTREMELY GRAFFIC VIDEO Right Sector kills ex police chief of Donetsk (Kostyantyn Pozhydayev):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP4Drl6KBdc

BTW... Akhmetov called on workers in all his factories to carry out a mini-strike each day - and nothing happened
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May 21, 2014, 01:09:34 PM
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Сегодня, 21 мая, в полдень, в микрорайоне Восточный в результате обстрела украинскими военными разрушено три дома.

В травматологическое отделение горбольницы им. Ленина доставлены трое пострадавших. По словам сотрудников отделения, детей среди них нет.

Во время утреннего обстрела снаряд попал на балкон пятиэтажного дома на ул. Королева, 26.

К счастью, никто из жильцов не пострадал, боеприпас не разорвался. Видимых разрушений на доме нет.

Начальник славянского отдела здравоохранения Елена Джим в свою очередь сообщила, что раненые в больницы города сегодня не поступали.

Как заявил Игорь Стрелков, ночью украинские военные начали пристрелку центра города. Пока — только болванками. Один из таких «снарядов» и угодил в балкон. Кроме того, по его заявлению, три болванки были найдены в районе исполкома.

В Славянске, 20 мая, во время утреннего обстрела пострадали несколько жилых домов в частном секторе в районе железнодорожного переезда по дороге с ж.-д. вокзала на Машмет.

http://rusvesna.su/news/1400686465
legendary
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May 21, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
#62
Don't know what you mean by "pressure from Russia", but yes, there is a civil war there. Or what does one call Ukrainian artillery shelling a Ukrainian city or killing of Ukrainian citizens by Ukrainian army and Ukrainian extremist groups?

I'd chose pressure from Russia over the ethnic cleansing by the Kiev junta anyday. The sham elections are just a few days away. The junta wants to make sure that no one from the East votes in it.
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legendary
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May 21, 2014, 09:55:33 AM
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So aside of the pressure from Russia now there's also a major "civil war' going on there.

Don't know what you mean by "pressure from Russia", but yes, there is a civil war there. Or what does one call Ukrainian artillery shelling a Ukrainian city or killing of Ukrainian citizens by Ukrainian army and Ukrainian extremist groups?
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Impossible
May 21, 2014, 09:45:09 AM
#59
So aside of the pressure from Russia now there's also a major "civil war' going on there.
legendary
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May 21, 2014, 09:42:40 AM
#58
There's no ethnic cleansing in Ukraine - Stalin (a Russophile) already did 99.9% of it back in the late 1940s and 1950s.  

As a Russian, whose family suffered from Stalin's repressions, I take an offence when someone calls Stalin/Dzhugashvili for a Russophile. You can call him equally hateful of all nations, his own Georgian including. The number of ethnic Russians that Stalin deported/relocated to the Baltics, Kazahstan, Tatarstan, as well as internally within RSFSR counts in millions.

Have to agree. Out of some 20 million or so people who died in the repressions of Stalin, close to 15 million were Russians. That is a staggering 75% of the victims, much higher than the share of ethnic Russians in the Soviet population (around 58%).
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May 21, 2014, 08:54:37 AM
#57
There's no ethnic cleansing in Ukraine - Stalin (a Russophile) already did 99.9% of it back in the late 1940s and 1950s.  

As a Russian, whose family suffered from Stalin's repressions, I take an offence when someone calls Stalin/Dzhugashvili for a Russophile. You can call him equally hateful of all nations, his own Georgian including. The number of ethnic Russians that Stalin deported/relocated to the Baltics, Kazahstan, Tatarstan, as well as internally within RSFSR counts in millions.
legendary
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May 21, 2014, 08:26:03 AM
#56
Well this is true.  I was thinking more in the grand schemes, considering postwar population growth in the world it could had been a million Tatars.

A million of them? No way. Take the population of ethnic Ukrainians for example. In 1939, they numbered some 28 million and right now, they number less than 40 million. The Crimean Tatars numbered 230,000 in 1939. Now they number 300,000 in Ukraine, plus some 100,000 in other countries. The rate of growth seems to be similar to that of the Russians and Ukrainians.
legendary
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May 21, 2014, 08:12:53 AM
#55
Stalin relocated the Tatars to Central Asia - only a small number returned

When Stalin deported the Tatars from Crimea to Uzbekistan, the peninsula was a part of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic. And he deported a total of 230,000 Tatars. Now Crimea is home to more than 300,000 Tatars. So it is factually incorrect to say that only a small number returned. Almost all of them returned, unlike the Poles and the Germans.
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May 21, 2014, 07:58:16 AM
#54
There's no ethnic cleansing in Ukraine - Stalin (a Russophile) already did 99.9% of it back in the late 1940s and 1950s.  


Stalin relocated the Tatars to Central Asia - only a small number returned
Stalin relocated all the Poles (200,000+) in Ukraine to Poland, in Operation Vistula.  
Stalin rounded up any Germans on Ukrainian soil and sent them to Central Asia
Stalin scared the Jews so bad that most fled for America and Israel.


It was ironically Stalin, despite Ukrainians who hate him, who otherwise made Ukraine a relatively homogenous nation (with Ukrainian and Russian language) from an ethnic point of view.  

Russia itself isn't homogenous either - it's technically less homogenous than Ukraine.  If Slavic is the race then Russia is very heterogeneous from all the Finnic people, the Asians / Tatars in Siberia and then the Caucasians in Caucasia.

 It was Khrushchev who had to complicate things by transferring Crimea over to Ukrainian SSR, as Crimea was populated by Russians who descended from Russian Russians who didn't have anything to do with Ukrainian people or culture.  

Khruschev could had avoided a lot of problems had he transferred Kuban (instead of Crimea) to Ukraine.  Kuban was already full of Ukrainians (Kuban Cossacks who descend from Zaporozhe Cossacks from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, although they are Russophile and speak Russian).

 At least that way, Russia could have had help in the 1990s against the Chechens and all the Georgian crap would be Ukraine's problem.   Grin
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