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legendary
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May 28, 2019, 09:33:47 AM
^^^ Still just a lizard:
Evolution created something new, and it did it quickly (about 30 generations), and the appearance was documented. It’s still just a lizard, but we expected nothing else — and it’s now a lizard with novel adaptations for herbivory.

So, where is the ETE proof? Even if this is a strong form of adaptation evolution, it is only the tiniest of beginnings toward proving that evolution is the thing that changes one kind of animal into another, and that this is the way that all creatures developed on earth.

Evolutionists desire evolution to be true so much, that they are working as hard as they can in every direction they can think of. Part of this work is to proclaim evolution as truth, even though all they have found is some possible evidence, and no fact.

I'm not saying that all this search and research isn't providing some useful knowledge about how nature operates. But calling it ETE when it is not known to be ETE in any sense is a hoax.

Evolution is a hoax.

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hero member
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May 27, 2019, 03:21:23 PM
^^^ Well, thank you for explaining about your kids. But, you are wrong. They did evolve, at least according to your definition of evolution. Why? Because you actually DID give them different genetics. After all, they are not exact copies of you, are they?

Your example of lizard change is not one lizard into a different kind of lizard. Rather, it's an example similar to breeding... which isn't the kind of evolution we are talking about.

Since science hasn't been able to find any evidence of ETE, the thing they are doing (you are showing examples of it) is to evolve the word "evolution" into meaning things that were not originally covered in its meaning. This kind of deceptive activity is called semantics. It is deceptive activity that is propagating (in this case) the evolution hoax.

Evolution is a hoax.

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But the big difference is that even though i might give them different genetics in the case of the lizards, the new ones always had bigger heads and the valves.
For humans, the example would be, me developing a bigger head and some sort of valve and then passing those genetics to my childrend and them to their childrend and so on forever. The difference in genetics between my children and me are small, we do always have 2 legs,  2 arms, 1 heart, etc. Developing a valve or another organ is a huge improvement and should definitely be considered evolution
legendary
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May 27, 2019, 11:29:06 AM
^^^ Well, thank you for explaining about your kids. But, you are wrong. They did evolve, at least according to your definition of evolution. Why? Because you actually DID give them different genetics. After all, they are not exact copies of you, are they?

Your example of lizard change is not one lizard into a different kind of lizard. Rather, it's an example similar to breeding... which isn't the kind of evolution we are talking about.

Since science hasn't been able to find any evidence of ETE, the thing they are doing (you are showing examples of it) is to evolve the word "evolution" into meaning things that were not originally covered in its meaning. This kind of deceptive activity is called semantics. It is deceptive activity that is propagating (in this case) the evolution hoax.

Evolution is a hoax.

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hero member
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May 27, 2019, 11:20:35 AM
^^^ Considering every creature is different than every other creature, are you trying to say that we all have evolved from our parents? LOL! You are so silly. Just because somebody says there are blacks, and others say there are whites, and others say there are Asians, and Native Americans, etc., now you are trying to make an ethnic group for each and every lizard, because they are all different, every last one of them from every last other one of them.

You're kinda different than evolutionists. Just because you and notbatman talk about different themes in life, themes that might even be opposites in some areas, you are more or less of the same kind. Did you evolve that way?  Cheesy

Come on. Show us some proof that people evolved from some single celled pond microbe, or something. I know. All your goofy talk exists because you can't even show this, to say nothing about proving it.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

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Obviously some species of animals have some common features and are grouped that way. Do you understand that evolution is exactly what I linked above? Animals that ''evolve'' are animals that adapt to the environment through different processes AND pass their genetics to the next generations. If they simply adapted but didn't pass the genetics then it would be no evolution, however because they did pass their genetics, it's evolution. Is it really that hard to understand? This process can happen over and over again. For instance they have larger heads and developed cecal valves which all their children also have. How is this not evolution LOL?

If you have children - I mean like in your literal household - your children are human beings even though they are different than you or your spouse. To say they evolved would be stretching the term a little. Like animals, they have features common to others of their human grouping. Cows have similar features to cows. Lizards have common features to lizards. Etcetera.

If you want to call animals that change by adapting to their environment, or animals that simply adapt to their own individuality through in differences from their parents, or animals that are bred... to have evolved, that is really stretching the term "evolve" a bit.

If you want to say that some Chinese people are very small, and some of them are essentially giants, and that their hereditary changes are a form of evolution, you are really stretching the idea of evolution.

Why is it that you are stretching the idea of evolution? Because there would essentially be no use of the evolution idea with any of these forms if people were not looking for a literal change from one animal kind into a different animal kind. Does a fish ever change into a bird? Does a lizard ever change into a cow? Does one kind of fish ever change into a different kind of fish? Would or can one kind of animal ever change into another kind of an animal? We don't have any evidence of it. Lots of talk, but no examples that we know for a fact.

When we talk about evolution theory evolution (ETE), we are essentially talking a form of evolution similar to what Darwin expressed in his tree of life, or in some similar tree of life idea. Such evolution has never been proven to exist anywhere.

Attempting to apply the forms of so-called evolution that you suggest, to ETE as though they were a part of ETE, is something that we don't know ever happened anywhere. But saying that your forms of evolution are forms of ETE, while knowing that you don't know that they are, is exactly the thing that makes evolution a hoax.

Evolution is a hoax, you know it, and you are attempting to propagate this hoax. People are catching on regarding this hoax. It won't be long before evolution hoax dissolves into the silly nothingness charade that it is.

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EDIT: Thanks for helping to prove that ETE is a hoax, by prompting me to show how it is a hoax, and how hoaxers like you and Dawkins are are trying to promote the evolution hoax.

''If you have children - I mean like in your literal household - your children are human beings even though they are different than you or your spouse. To say they evolved would be stretching the term a little. Like animals, they have features common to others of their human grouping. Cows have similar features to cows. Lizards have common features to lizards. Etcetera.''

My children are not evolving because I'm not giving them different genetics since I haven't evolved either. The lizards in my example did evolve, bigger head and cecal valves were developed and those genetics were passed to their offspring. Similarly if I were to develop a larger head for some reason and a cecal valve and pass it on to my children then yes, that would be evolution, again, quite simple to understand, are you sure you are reading?

''Does one kind of fish ever change into a different kind of fish?'' My example above is LITERALLY a kind of lizard changing into another kind of lizard, again, are you even reading?
hero member
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May 27, 2019, 11:18:18 AM
Micro-evolution - yes.
Macro-evolution - no.

Non organic mater can't evolve into organic one. Evolution is based on environment requirements and organic mater adopting to those requirements.
To make it simple - what environmental requirements forced a mud to turn into a single cell organism?

It's mathematically possible... The 'beauty' of that argument is that you can apply it to anything with infinite amount of time and repetitions.
With this logic I can throw a bag full of Scrabble from a rooftop and eventually it will land forming Lord Of The Rings.
Claiming 'science' as explanation here has more to do with religion than religion with creationism.

The issue with non organic matter ''evolving'' into organic one is not about evolution. Evolution is about organisms changing/adapting into new organisms. What you are talking about is called abiogenesis and there is already some good evidence for it. It seems that it is in fact possible for non organic mater to change into organic mater.
legendary
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May 27, 2019, 10:03:48 AM
^^^ Considering every creature is different than every other creature, are you trying to say that we all have evolved from our parents? LOL! You are so silly. Just because somebody says there are blacks, and others say there are whites, and others say there are Asians, and Native Americans, etc., now you are trying to make an ethnic group for each and every lizard, because they are all different, every last one of them from every last other one of them.

You're kinda different than evolutionists. Just because you and notbatman talk about different themes in life, themes that might even be opposites in some areas, you are more or less of the same kind. Did you evolve that way?  Cheesy

Come on. Show us some proof that people evolved from some single celled pond microbe, or something. I know. All your goofy talk exists because you can't even show this, to say nothing about proving it.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Obviously some species of animals have some common features and are grouped that way. Do you understand that evolution is exactly what I linked above? Animals that ''evolve'' are animals that adapt to the environment through different processes AND pass their genetics to the next generations. If they simply adapted but didn't pass the genetics then it would be no evolution, however because they did pass their genetics, it's evolution. Is it really that hard to understand? This process can happen over and over again. For instance they have larger heads and developed cecal valves which all their children also have. How is this not evolution LOL?

If you have children - I mean like in your literal household - your children are human beings even though they are different than you or your spouse. To say they evolved would be stretching the term a little. Like animals, they have features common to others of their human grouping. Cows have similar features to cows. Lizards have common features to lizards. Etcetera.

If you want to call animals that change by adapting to their environment, or animals that simply adapt to their own individuality through in differences from their parents, or animals that are bred... to have evolved, that is really stretching the term "evolve" a bit.

If you want to say that some Chinese people are very small, and some of them are essentially giants, and that their hereditary changes are a form of evolution, you are really stretching the idea of evolution.

Why is it that you are stretching the idea of evolution? Because there would essentially be no use of the evolution idea with any of these forms if people were not looking for a literal change from one animal kind into a different animal kind. Does a fish ever change into a bird? Does a lizard ever change into a cow? Does one kind of fish ever change into a different kind of fish? Would or can one kind of animal ever change into another kind of an animal? We don't have any evidence of it. Lots of talk, but no examples that we know for a fact.

When we talk about evolution theory evolution (ETE), we are essentially talking a form of evolution similar to what Darwin expressed in his tree of life, or in some similar tree of life idea. Such evolution has never been proven to exist anywhere.

Attempting to apply the forms of so-called evolution that you suggest, to ETE as though they were a part of ETE, is something that we don't know ever happened anywhere. But saying that your forms of evolution are forms of ETE, while knowing that you don't know that they are, is exactly the thing that makes evolution a hoax.

Evolution is a hoax, you know it, and you are attempting to propagate this hoax. People are catching on regarding this hoax. It won't be long before evolution hoax dissolves into the silly nothingness charade that it is.

Cool

EDIT: Thanks for helping to prove that ETE is a hoax, by prompting me to show how it is a hoax, and how hoaxers like you and Dawkins are are trying to promote the evolution hoax.
copper member
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May 26, 2019, 06:37:54 PM
Micro-evolution - yes.
Macro-evolution - no.

Non organic mater can't evolve into organic one. Evolution is based on environment requirements and organic mater adopting to those requirements.
To make it simple - what environmental requirements forced a mud to turn into a single cell organism?

It's mathematically possible... The 'beauty' of that argument is that you can apply it to anything with infinite amount of time and repetitions.
With this logic I can throw a bag full of Scrabble from a rooftop and eventually it will land forming Lord Of The Rings.
Claiming 'science' as explanation here has more to do with religion than religion with creationism.
hero member
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May 26, 2019, 03:51:28 PM
^^^ Considering every creature is different than every other creature, are you trying to say that we all have evolved from our parents? LOL! You are so silly. Just because somebody says there are blacks, and others say there are whites, and others say there are Asians, and Native Americans, etc., now you are trying to make an ethnic group for each and every lizard, because they are all different, every last one of them from every last other one of them.

You're kinda different than evolutionists. Just because you and notbatman talk about different themes in life, themes that might even be opposites in some areas, you are more or less of the same kind. Did you evolve that way?  Cheesy

Come on. Show us some proof that people evolved from some single celled pond microbe, or something. I know. All your goofy talk exists because you can't even show this, to say nothing about proving it.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Obviously some species of animals have some common features and are grouped that way. Do you understand that evolution is exactly what I linked above? Animals that ''evolve'' are animals that adapt to the environment through different processes AND pass their genetics to the next generations. If they simply adapted but didn't pass the genetics then it would be no evolution, however because they did pass their genetics, it's evolution. Is it really that hard to understand? This process can happen over and over again. For instance they have larger heads and developed cecal valves which all their children also have. How is this not evolution LOL?
legendary
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May 25, 2019, 03:31:21 PM
Since the things in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51211029 show that we don't really know the age of the earth, we don't know if there was enough time for evolution theory evolution to develop. Since we don't know...

Evolution is a hoax.

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legendary
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May 25, 2019, 01:48:45 PM
In response to everything after the first question, no.
legendary
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May 25, 2019, 09:07:03 AM
^^^ Do you remember Roman concrete? How do we know that the fossilized rock you showed, is not some advanced form of concrete used by evolutionists to create an "inverse sculpture" of the dragonfly?

We don't know for a fact what the age of the earth is. Biblically speaking, during the first 2 or 3 days of Creation, even time wasn't settled in place. The physics of time wasn't the same as it is now. So, there is no way to tell that the earth is older than 10,000 years or thereabouts, because time was in "tumult," and none of it would match our stabilized form.

However, even science shows that this is the fact. It shows it in Big Bang Theory. How? BB says that the first several hundred thousand years the universe was extremely different than it is now. Since this is the case, math and physics were extremely different. So, we can't use our M&B to tell anything about why our observations show us a BB. This is stated in hidden form right in BB Theory! No known Big Bang!

After all, when did our math and physics stabilize into approximately what we have today? We don't know. It might have been less than 10,000 years ago, even from a scientific viewpoint. Before the stabilization of M&P, who knows what kinds of tumultuous turmoil existed in even the M&P of the universe?

Beyond, say, about 5,000 years ago - because that's all the earlier we can date pottery, etc. - our scientific estimations of time and age are totally guestimations, or complete guesses.

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legendary
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May 25, 2019, 01:35:55 AM
Dinosaurs are a hoax, giants including animals and plants are the historical reality.



They show you a giant fossilized dragonfly in school and on TV and in book & magazines then, they tell you it's millions of years old and it's a different species that evolved into a dragonfly because "convergent evolution". They go on and construct a Tyrannosaurus Rex out of a fragment of giant chicken bone and carve footprints in a dry riverbed to support their story and skeletal model.

Evolution, dinosaurs and timescales beyond 10,000 years are complete horse shit. There's massive intellectual fraud in the "professional" sciences [pseudo].
legendary
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May 23, 2019, 04:18:10 PM
^^^ Considering every creature is different than every other creature, are you trying to say that we all have evolved from our parents? LOL! You are so silly. Just because somebody says there are blacks, and others say there are whites, and others say there are Asians, and Native Americans, etc., now you are trying to make an ethnic group for each and every lizard, because they are all different, every last one of them from every last other one of them.

You're kinda different than evolutionists. Just because you and notbatman talk about different themes in life, themes that might even be opposites in some areas, you are more or less of the same kind. Did you evolve that way?  Cheesy

Come on. Show us some proof that people evolved from some single celled pond microbe, or something. I know. All your goofy talk exists because you can't even show this, to say nothing about proving it.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool
hero member
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May 23, 2019, 11:55:24 AM
^^^ After all that time on the island, they changed. They didn't change into cats. They didn't change into goats. They didn't change into walruses, alligators, sharks, canaries, or any of countless other animals. They changed into - get this now - lizards.

Let's see now. Seems that there isn't any ETE there.  I wonder why not. Could it be that evolution is a hoax?

 Cheesy

Right, so if we were to call them buzzards, that would suddenly prove evolution? A simple name change would do it? What's the difference between a cat and a lizard? The name or the features? They have different features, similarly the new lizards have very different features than the previous ones, hence why we call it evolution, they evolved through adaption. They adapted to the new environment and passed on their adaptions to the other generations and now only the new lizards exist, evolution. It's pretty simple to understand really.
legendary
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May 22, 2019, 09:38:55 PM
^^^ After all that time on the island, they changed. They didn't change into cats. They didn't change into goats. They didn't change into walruses, alligators, sharks, canaries, or any of countless other animals. They changed into - get this now - lizards.

Let's see now. Seems that there isn't any ETE there.  I wonder why not. Could it be that evolution is a hoax?

 Cheesy
hero member
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May 22, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
^^^ In your opinion, what's the purpose of you asking questions that were answered right in the post you quoted? Seems to me that if you can't provide proof of evolution, that evolution is a hoax... at least as far as you are concerned.

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Here are even more examples of evolution:
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/
https://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20

Seems that you can't accept proof of evolution, we don't need to prove a single cell evolved into humans, we can prove organisms, animals, species evolve into others gradually, from that we can deduce the same thing happened to us, even if it didn't, the examples of evolution are still there, no matter what.

Seems the proof for ETE isn't there. All your links are is talk without proof, or even process. Nobody has divulged the process with even a little bit of certainty that any of that is evolution (ETE). All of it might be abiogenesis a multitude of times over. Maybe more than once for some creatures. Prove that it isn't abiogenesis. Or prove that it isn't God creation in the form of like-begets-like. All of your examples have only one proof... a big bunch of hot-air-talk by people who don't know for sure.

Time for us to wake up and stop paying money to those ignorant evolutionists. They will never be able to prove evolution exists. The more they try, the more they run out of stuff to try. All they do is try to state that adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like are evolution... just so they have something that is evolution.

Some time back, they dropped abiogenesis from their definition of evolution. Once they realize that abiogenesis might have happened for every different kind of plant and animal, they will probably add it back into the evolution definition.

Then, sometime, they will find that God created everything, and they will try to call creation evolution, just so that they have something that is evolution.  Cheesy

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''In 1971, ten Italian wall lizards (Podarcis sicula) were introduced to the island of Pod Mrčaru from a neighboring island. The lizards were left for decades, and compared to the colony from which they were taken. The wall lizards on Pod Mrčaru, having passed through a tiny genetic bottleneck, were found to have thrived and adapted to their new island. They were found to have shifted from a mainly insectivorous diet to one heavy in vegetation. This diet change seems to have driven dramatic changes in the lizards. The head of the Pod Mrčaru lizards is larger, and has a far greater bite force. These are key adaptations for dealing with chewing leaves. The most exciting sign of evolution is the development of cecal valves, muscles used to separate portions of the intestine. These serve to slow the passage of food through the intestine and give time for the bacteria in the gut to breakdown the plant matter for absorption. This is an entirely novel development in the Italian wall lizard, and a major adaptation.''

Here is the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=932XB499YUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2-4VpmXqmU
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm
http://reptile-database.reptarium.cz/species?genus=Podarcis&species=siculus&search_param=%28%28genus%3D%27Podarcis%27%29%28species%3D%27siculus%27%29%29

legendary
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May 22, 2019, 08:11:43 AM
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LOL!

Cancer proves adaptation. It proves devolution to the people it forms in. Cancer has nothing to do with the idea of beneficial mutation, except possibly to the cancer itself. Of course, when the host dies, the cancer dies, as well. Nothing beneficial there.

Cancer has absolutely nothing to do with proving evolution theory evolution over many thousands of years.

I don't really think you are an idiot. So why do you keep trying to prove that you are? Are you evolving? Cheesy

Evolution is a hoax.

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Troll bait not taken.

Nobody can take non-existent troll bait.     Cool
legendary
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May 21, 2019, 06:46:58 PM
^^^ In your opinion, what's the purpose of you asking questions that were answered right in the post you quoted? Seems to me that if you can't provide proof of evolution, that evolution is a hoax... at least as far as you are concerned.

Cool

Here are even more examples of evolution:
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/
https://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20

Seems that you can't accept proof of evolution, we don't need to prove a single cell evolved into humans, we can prove organisms, animals, species evolve into others gradually, from that we can deduce the same thing happened to us, even if it didn't, the examples of evolution are still there, no matter what.

Seems the proof for ETE isn't there. All your links are is talk without proof, or even process. Nobody has divulged the process with even a little bit of certainty that any of that is evolution (ETE). All of it might be abiogenesis a multitude of times over. Maybe more than once for some creatures. Prove that it isn't abiogenesis. Or prove that it isn't God creation in the form of like-begets-like. All of your examples have only one proof... a big bunch of hot-air-talk by people who don't know for sure.

Time for us to wake up and stop paying money to those ignorant evolutionists. They will never be able to prove evolution exists. The more they try, the more they run out of stuff to try. All they do is try to state that adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like are evolution... just so they have something that is evolution.

Some time back, they dropped abiogenesis from their definition of evolution. Once they realize that abiogenesis might have happened for every different kind of plant and animal, they will probably add it back into the evolution definition.

Then, sometime, they will find that God created everything, and they will try to call creation evolution, just so that they have something that is evolution.  Cheesy

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hero member
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May 21, 2019, 12:55:59 PM
^^^ In your opinion, what's the purpose of you asking questions that were answered right in the post you quoted? Seems to me that if you can't provide proof of evolution, that evolution is a hoax... at least as far as you are concerned.

Cool

Here are even more examples of evolution:
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/
https://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20

Seems that you can't accept proof of evolution, we don't need to prove a single cell evolved into humans, we can prove organisms, animals, species evolve into others gradually, from that we can deduce the same thing happened to us, even if it didn't, the examples of evolution are still there, no matter what.
legendary
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May 21, 2019, 07:51:15 AM
^^^ In your opinion, what's the purpose of you asking questions that were answered right in the post you quoted? Seems to me that if you can't provide proof of evolution, that evolution is a hoax... at least as far as you are concerned.

Cool
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