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Quote from: Moloch on July 04, 2017, 03:40:02 AM

Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science.

Really picking at hairs here... everyone knows you can't prove a negative, right?

I was simply pointing out that creationism, as described in the bible... is testable... it definitely did not happen the way the bible claims it happened... same goes for any religious text...
Every creation story has testable elements, and every creation story is invariably flawed

Creationism (from any religion) would not even rank as a Scientific Theory as Evolution does... Creationism would not even rank as a hypothesis... creationism is pure fail city

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

I did not study a masters degree and even not a scholar. Does not have expertise. But how can you say that the Bible is testable? So you are believing to that evolution? It is a theory. All the science explanation to something that still unknown and have not a clear explanation are always theories. All answer about the creation is found in the Bible. Does not have to profound how God created the Earth. It does not need to state that the plants were created which have these enzymes to become a plant. God is God. Alpha Omega. Beginning and the End. He is God. Supreme. Creator.

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Quote from: bkbirge on July 03, 2017, 05:24:12 PM

Quote from: petreajs on July 03, 2017, 11:21:31 AM

Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science.

Really picking at hairs here... everyone knows you can't prove a negative, right?

I was simply pointing out that creationism, as described in the bible... is testable... it definitely did not happen the way the bible claims it happened... same goes for any religious text...
Every creation story has testable elements, and every creation story is invariably flawed

Creationism (from any religion) would not even rank as a Scientific Theory as Evolution does... Creationism would not even rank as a hypothesis... creationism is pure fail city

Also the bible itself is testable. It is supposed to be the word of god but has so many mistakes and contradictions that it debunks itself. Creationism does not have any more evidence than the bible. Which they never proved to be accurate or relevant in the first place. It's fine that people want to question evolution but don't bring creationism into it.

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i think its not really a hoax,
we all know that species always find a way to adopt to its changing environment and thousand years of slow and continues change in environment will sure to change the species to adopt.
if man dont think of wearing clothes, i'm sure our body is still covered in hair just like monkeys.

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Evolution suggests that everything happened in a random way, while rejecting God and rational creation
The people who stood at the origins of this theory - were unbelievers, and came up with an explanation of all that is available, as an accident

But there is not a single proof of evolution so far ... Everything around is a complete deception

You do not understand what evolution is. Faith in God which is not also speaks of the lack of tendency to analysis. So evolution is not an accident. All organisms evolyutsioniruet strictly according to certain rules and with a purpose.

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Quote from: bkbirge on July 03, 2017, 05:24:12 PM

Quote from: AntiMasque0 on July 03, 2017, 08:01:51 PM

Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science.

Really picking at hairs here... everyone knows you can't prove a negative, right?

I was simply pointing out that creationism, as described in the bible... is testable... it definitely did not happen the way the bible claims it happened... same goes for any religious text...
Every creation story has testable elements, and every creation story is invariably flawed

Creationism (from any religion) would not even rank as a Scientific Theory as Evolution does... Creationism would not even rank as a hypothesis... creationism is pure fail city

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Even a kid knows that animals have been part of evolution in history. If you refer to humans it's still an open debate, but it exists.

Kids understand God easier than anyone. They are also brainwashed easier than anyone into believing in the evolution hoax.

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Even a kid knows that animals have been part of evolution in history. If you refer to humans it's still an open debate, but it exists.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 03, 2017, 03:18:59 PM

Creationism is testable...
You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is
You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)
We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!
We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)
We have fossils that are millions of years old!
You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

I disagree that creationism is testable, though I do agree with everything else you say. Perhaps it is splitting hairs but since we are trying to be precise in our language I would argue that yes the *arguments* that creationists often use some are testable but the actual one and only hypothesis of creationism, that God created everything, is absolutely untestable. We can debunk every strawman or logical fallacy that creationists throw up but they will just move the bar, because it's not reasoned discovery of the truth that they are interested in, it's confirmation of already held beliefs only. Their arguments are shields, not real scientific discourse. That's the point, creationism is in no way shape or form science.

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Quote from: bkbirge on July 03, 2017, 02:26:59 PM

Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently.

Creationism is testable...

You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is

You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)

We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!

We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)

We have fossils that are millions of years old!

You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

All of the suggested scientific ages of the earth beyond about 4,500 years are inconclusive. They are all based on evidences that can be interpreted in different ways, or that have no factual basis for being interpreted the way that they are.

Bible creation story accounts are based on eye witness reports.

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EDIT: Young Earth should make evolutionists happy. Why? Because as has been noted in a different part of this thread, there are about 150 bad mutations to every good mutation. This means that the odds are, that over a long time, the good mutation will go bad. It's like the longer you leave a piece of iron out in the weather, the rustier it gets. Young earth doesn't give good mutations as much time to go bad.

All of them are conclusive and all of them show the same thing. Unfortunately people like you just say, nah bro they are wrong hehehee xd. As I said, why do you keep talking about evolution when you don't udnerstand it. You just repeat what other creatards are saying. You do not understand mutations.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

All creationist claims are debunked. Get over it man. If you want to believe in fairy tails, that's fine but don't spread your bullshit here.

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Quote from: bkbirge on July 03, 2017, 02:26:59 PM

Quote from: bkbirge on July 03, 2017, 02:26:59 PM

Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently.

Creationism is testable...

You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is

You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)

We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!

We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)

We have fossils that are millions of years old!

You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

All of the suggested scientific ages of the earth beyond about 4,500 years are inconclusive. They are all based on evidences that can be interpreted in different ways, or that have no factual basis for being interpreted the way that they are.

Bible creation story accounts are based on eye witness reports.

Cool

EDIT: Young Earth should make evolutionists happy. Why? Because as has been noted in a different part of this thread, there are about 150 bad mutations to every good mutation. This means that the odds are, that over a long time, the good mutation will go bad. It's like the longer you leave a piece of iron out in the weather, the rustier it gets. Young earth doesn't give good mutations as much time to go bad.

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Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently.

Creationism is testable...

You can test whether the universe is older than 6,000 years... turns out, it is

You can test whether god could create light before creating the sun and stars... or creating plants before the sun (bad idea; god didn't really think this creation plan through)

We have artifacts from civilizations older than 6,000 years!

We have artifacts from Egypt dating across the entire period where a "global flood" is claimed to have killed everyone (i.e. the flood didn't happen either)

We have fossils that are millions of years old!

You can test many aspects of the creation hypothesis, and it fails every test

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Quote from: whaawh on July 03, 2017, 12:54:56 PM

Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

Words and phrases must have precise operational definitions. All hypotheses must be testable. Evolution is testable. Creationism is not. If you have a "theory" as you say (what you really mean is "hypothesis" NOT "scientific theory") then it must be testable by others independently.

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Human evolution is a theory there's no proof that we really came from monkeys. either our source of water, how water came up in our planet
if the planet was made base on big bang theory explaining.

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Quote from: bkbirge on July 03, 2017, 11:36:32 AM

Quote from: bkbirge on July 03, 2017, 11:36:32 AM

The fact is that the theory of evolution is just a theory.

I understand that many people now present some images and theory of the existence of mankind on earth. But even if we assume that a person on Earth is a guest, then all living things, including plants and animals, are all inhabitants of this planet. Therefore, it can be assumed that evolution refers only to the animal and vegetable world but not to man.

You know that humans are in fact animals, right? There is really almost no difference between us and other animals except our intelligence. We reproduce and have sex like other animals, we feel pain because it indicates when something is wrong just like other animals and we are weak compared to many animals.

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The fact is that the theory of evolution is just a theory.

I understand that many people now present some images and theory of the existence of mankind on earth. But even if we assume that a person on Earth is a guest, then all living things, including plants and animals, are all inhabitants of this planet. Therefore, it can be assumed that evolution refers only to the animal and vegetable world but not to man.

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The fact is that the theory of evolution is just a theory.

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