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legendary
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June 25, 2017, 08:07:01 AM
Oh, yes. That's right. You are so good. The dictionary has told me what religion means. From Dictionary.com
religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.

Did you notice #6 in the definition? I don't mean that the others don't necessarily fit the evolution religion. But #6 fits it nicely.

If evolution were at all truthful, it might barely slip out from under being a religion. But as I have shown you over and over, evolution is fake. It only exists in the minds of those who desire to believe in it. Evolution... a classic example of religion.

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Ethics or conscience has nothing to do with evolution tho. No one ''believes'' in evolution like you believe in the Bible, scientists support evolution because there is evidence for it, they don't just simply believe it like religious people do, get your shit together lol.

In very simple terms, evolution works like this. Scientists have examined at the world around us. They have invented a story about a certain way that things in nature fit together. They have called their story evolution.

Their story fits together quite well. But, there are two basic areas that they are leaving out, to keep their evolution story strong. These are:
1. Everything in the evolution story can be applied to other things. The things of evolution can be explained as parts of at least one other story that is not evolution;
2. Evolution people have ignored or inappropriately talked away the things that show that their evolution story is impossible.

Evolution is a hoax, designed by scientific people who need to dazzle the general public, so that they can make money off them. That's evolution in a nutshell.

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June 25, 2017, 05:05:02 AM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



It doesn't matter, badecker will simply ignore what you said. We already explained to him what a scientific theory means and he keeps saying the same shit over and over again as if only things that have the label ''fact'' on them are actually useful. You will not convince a religious extremist like badecker of anything, he can't critically think.
Science THEORY is only what scientist believe what theory mean BUT i still think they are wrong Wink..
But ok IT'S CALLED SCIENCE JARGON  Wink.. But not the masses jargon  Grin

I thinks it's about science jargon to baffle the public with lies ..SCIENCE THEORY ..Yes it's fact in science but not in my world Wink..
And i am sure many feel the same about getting science scammed with science jargon..


Theory is not fact

Posted by Sarah Salviander

Whenever someone even hints at a criticism of Darwinism or “climate change,” the True Believers come out of the woodwork to try to shame the heretics. You can always tell who they are, because they say things like “climate change is a fact” or “evolution is a fact the same way gravity is a fact.” The implication here is, you wouldn’t be so dumb as to deny the reality of gravity, would you, so why are you denying the reality of evolution or climate change?

But here the True Believer shows his blind faith, for with his inability to distinguish between fact and theory he exposes himself as someone whose understanding of how science works doesn’t even rise to the level of middle school. Another way to describe this sort of blind faith is science fetishism. As I told the anklebiting commenter to Surak’s article, we do not permit people to fetishize science here.

A fact is something we observe; for example, that objects in free fall accelerate toward the Earth’s center at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 or that the Moon orbits the Earth with an average orbital speed of 3700 km/s. There is no doubt of the fact that objects fall toward each other, because we see it and measure it all the time; this is what the science fetishist means when he says “gravity is a fact.” But what he apparently doesn’t realize is that gravity is a theory. Theories are not facts, they are models that attempt to make sense of the facts. And, as it turns out, there are several theories of gravity that attempt to make sense of what we know: Newton’s universal law of gravitation, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, modified Newtonian dynamics, and so on. And, as we all know from the various scientific revolutions that have taken place in the last several hundred years, no theory is invulnerable to being overturned by new and better evidence or new ways of thinking.

When a science fetishist leaps into a conversation to tell you that evolution is a fact, the first thing you should tell him is that you are fully aware of the fact that different lifeforms have emerged over the course of the Earth’s natural history and that lifeforms have been observed to change over relatively short periods of time. And then ask him which theory explains it — microevolution, macroevolution, speciation, microbial evolution, or chemical evolution — and why. At that point you will expose what Hugh Ross describes as the evolution shell game when fetishists argue about evolution, wherein he will either substitute the facts of fossils and other evidence for theory or well-established forms of evolution for those that are not at all supported.

As for climate change as “fact,” I can only surmise that our True Believer is not aware that scientists — including the famous hockey stick guy, himself — are now finally admitting that there has been no significant warming in the last two decades. It’s only a matter of time before the whole edifice of human-caused “climate change” collapses.

UPDATE: im2l844 asks in the comments:

Do you have a concise response to the “consensus” argument that is invariably trotted out by the AGW faithful?

Yes, there are two responses: who cares? and what consensus?

Who cares if there’s a consensus? Reality isn’t decided by a vote. There was a time when 97% of scientists thought the Earth was the center of the universe, so that tells you the value of consensus.

The reality is, there isn’t a consensus about global warming or climate change or whatever the True Believer wants to call it. The 97% statistic that is invariably trotted out is based on a very small number of scientists polled — just 77 — who met the criteria for a 2-minute survey as part of a student’s thesis. What the True Believer either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that over 31,000 scientists from an array of scientific fields have signed a petition stating they believe “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”


You realize that what you posted there acknowledges that evolution theory is true but there are parts of it that are unknown? So what you posted there is helping us more than you. You think the theory of evolution is something invented by scientists for whatever reason? If so how are scientists able to apply evolution theory to so many things and make them work. Like:

Wider biology
The evolutionary approach is key to much current research in biology that does not set out to study evolution per se, especially in organismal biology and ecology. For example, evolutionary thinking is key to life history theory. Annotation of genes and their function relies heavily on comparative, that is evolutionary, approaches. The field of evolutionary developmental biology investigates how developmental processes work by using the comparative method to determine how they evolved.

Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony.

Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders. For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves. This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor. Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.

And even Computer science.
You do realise i don't deny EVOLUTION  Wink..So please stop THANK YOU Grin..

We have EVOLVED and that's a FACT,,Created by the EARTH not GODS Wink..

Now lets DO LOTS OF SCIENCE not lots of RELIGION lots of SCIENCE and we can fly around the universe  Grin..

What you missed my friend is we got onto the word THEORY and it's meaning in SCIENCE ..

But 100% life evolved ..We started at 1 point in time and then life SPREAD how is what we are still THEORISING  Wink..

But you would agree that a man like being never went zap and everything was so..I.E a SKY DADDY..Oh and all this in 6 DAYS..

And that's one reason why we have EVOLUTION THEORY because we know a man cannot make everything in 6 DAYS..

So STOP RIGHT NOW PLEASE Grin..Evolution is FACT..We have EVOLVED..BUT HOW is the BIG QUESTION..And it wasn't GODS..

I know that you are dedicated to your evolution religion. But it's about time that you figure out that it IS a religion.

Just think for a minute. The only reason you believe in evolution is because somebody else told you that it is true. You haven't calculated it all out for yourself, right?

Back in the Middle and Dark Ages, people believed the earth was flat, because the Church told it to them, and they didn't know any better. Was the Church telling the truth? NO! Flat earth was and is a hoax.

Was the Church completely wrong in everything it did? No! There are plenty of times that it helped people and sought out truth.

Same with science. Science has truthfully found that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. But they also know that evolution is a hoax. They are like the Church. They are making money off people believing in their hoax evolution religion.

And you are an evolution believer just like those jokers over in the "Flat Earth" thread are believers in flat earth.

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You have already been told what religion means but your bean brain can't seem to understand it. Religion is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental. Religions relate humanity to what anthropologist Clifford Geertz has referred to as a cosmic "order of existence".

Evolution is not about ethics or morals, it doesn't tell you what to do. It's just an explanation of nature, of course you won't understand this because your brain is not capable of it.

Oh, yes. That's right. You are so good. The dictionary has told me what religion means. From Dictionary.com
religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.

Did you notice #6 in the definition? I don't mean that the others don't necessarily fit the evolution religion. But #6 fits it nicely.

If evolution were at all truthful, it might barely slip out from under being a religion. But as I have shown you over and over, evolution is fake. It only exists in the minds of those who desire to believe in it. Evolution... a classic example of religion.

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Ethics or conscience has nothing to do with evolution tho. No one ''believes'' in evolution like you believe in the Bible, scientists support evolution because there is evidence for it, they don't just simply believe it like religious people do, get your shit together lol.
legendary
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June 24, 2017, 05:11:18 PM
OK Badecker you believe what you want to believe  Wink..

I give up ..
And i give up on that a science theory is fact EVEN though it's not Grin

We come from a single point what don't you get about coming from a single point in time?..

Rewind our solar system and you would see we come from a single point..

Now the point is we come from a single point means we evolved from that single point ..
That's the point. You don't know that we came from a single point. You have no proof for it. Nobody does. The best of their ideas and theories have too many holes and potential holes to know that we came from a single point, or that it was an evolution thing.



Stick a banger in dog shit and when it explodes the dog shit spreads everywhere
but you knew from the beginning what point the dog shit started from..

Well imagine the big bag like one big DOG SHIT with a banger in it Wink..

Now over time the DOG SHIT grew creatures on it where and how is still getting theorised
but we know we come from a single point because the universe is expanding with stars and planets..

I.E EXPLODING DOG SHIT spreading everywhere after the banger goes BANG..

Now does that explain it any better Grin..
That explains dog shit. But why do you suggest big bang or something like it when you don't know? How do you know? Were you there? Do you have a time viewer? Don't you simoply think like you do because you want to, or because somebody else convinced you to think like that?



Now i have had enough now about this subject I AM DONE no more thanks ..

You just believe in FAIRY TALES i will believe in fact and TRUTH..

Show me and i will believe..
Same with science..PROVE IT..



Your evolution fairy tale is kinda enough for me. When you spread it without knowing why it might exist that way, you are spreading a hoax. The evolution hoax.

You certainly are welcome to believe your religion. But that is all that evolution is for you or anybody.

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Your evolution fairy tale is kinda enough for me.
Last time because i need to ask you this QUESTION..

Do you want to know how we come to be ?
How life started how we become to be who we are ?..

Well that's the QUESTION how did we evolve Which means EVOLUTION THEORIES..

We theorise how we come to be..

And we do know the we are expanding I.E spreading out..
Go and buy a telescope and look at the universe ..

You can observed galaxies moving away from Earth.
NOT A LIE you can see it with your own eyes..
Fact the farther away a galaxy is the faster it is moving away from us..

So now you know for fact we are spreading out and expanding into the vastness of the universe..

Now good luck with your god because all the oh god oh god will not help you in anyway what so ever..

But if you think it does then GOOD LUCK to you .. Grin
legendary
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June 24, 2017, 04:13:02 PM
OK Badecker you believe what you want to believe  Wink..

I give up ..
And i give up on that a science theory is fact EVEN though it's not Grin

We come from a single point what don't you get about coming from a single point in time?..

Rewind our solar system and you would see we come from a single point..

Now the point is we come from a single point means we evolved from that single point ..
That's the point. You don't know that we came from a single point. You have no proof for it. Nobody does. The best of their ideas and theories have too many holes and potential holes to know that we came from a single point, or that it was an evolution thing.



Stick a banger in dog shit and when it explodes the dog shit spreads everywhere
but you knew from the beginning what point the dog shit started from..

Well imagine the big bag like one big DOG SHIT with a banger in it Wink..

Now over time the DOG SHIT grew creatures on it where and how is still getting theorised
but we know we come from a single point because the universe is expanding with stars and planets..

I.E EXPLODING DOG SHIT spreading everywhere after the banger goes BANG..

Now does that explain it any better Grin..
That explains dog shit. But why do you suggest big bang or something like it when you don't know? How do you know? Were you there? Do you have a time viewer? Don't you simoply think like you do because you want to, or because somebody else convinced you to think like that?



Now i have had enough now about this subject I AM DONE no more thanks ..

You just believe in FAIRY TALES i will believe in fact and TRUTH..

Show me and i will believe..
Same with science..PROVE IT..



Your evolution fairy tale is kinda enough for me. When you spread it without knowing why it might exist that way, you are spreading a hoax. The evolution hoax.

You certainly are welcome to believe your religion. But that is all that evolution is for you or anybody.

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legendary
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June 24, 2017, 04:06:33 PM
OK Badecker you believe what you want to believe  Wink..

I give up ..
And i give up on that a science theory is fact EVEN though it's not Grin

We come from a single point what don't you get about coming from a single point in time?..

Rewind our solar system and you would see we come from a single point..

Now the point is we come from a single point means we evolved from that single point ..

Stick a banger in dog shit and when it explodes the dog shit spreads everywhere
but you knew from the beginning what point the dog shit started from..

Well imagine the big bag like one big DOG SHIT with a banger in it Wink..

Now over time the DOG SHIT grew creatures on it where and how is still getting theorised
but we know we come from a single point because the universe is expanding with stars and planets..

I.E EXPLODING DOG SHIT spreading everywhere after the banger goes BANG..

Now does that explain it any better Grin..

Now i have had enough now about this subject I AM DONE no more thanks ..

You just believe in FAIRY TALES i will believe in fact and TRUTH..

Show me and i will believe..
Same with science..PROVE IT..

legendary
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June 24, 2017, 03:36:44 PM
XinXan sorry blamed you when it was BADECKER ..Sorry  Wink

Good job of repentance, man. You're not excommunicated from the evolution church after all.

 Cheesy
But at least i will admit when i am WRONG you DON'T ..

So you will burn in hell Cheesy Cheesy It's a joke no such thing Wink

But mostly there is no evolution in the sense that evolutionists talk about it:
You can make a scientific theory that looks very good. But if you ignore all the things that are against it, and do not examine your theory with regards to all those things, you theory is not really a theory.

Google for topics that show how the evolution theory is impossible. There are many. Their rebuttal is inconclusive, while they show how evolution is impossible. Several of these are:
1. Cause and effect in everything show that any change in nature was programmed;
2. Probability math that suggests that all the necessary parts of a living cell can never come together in such a way that will actually produce life, or change it;
3. Irreducible Complexity shows that there are a bunch of "gaps" without purpose between the formation of complex body parts... gaps that go against natural selection;
4. The longer something sits around (billions of years) the greater the chance for corrosion of some or all of its parts;
5. There is not one piece of nature that can be pointed to and said to be evolution for a fact; all evolving objects can be shown to be changing for reasons other than evolution;
6. No missing links have been found where it can be proven that they are missing links; the few such supposed fossil links can be attributed to other things than evolution; such links can be situated on one big table they are so few, but there should be buildings full of them if evolution really happened.

Search and you will see that these and many other important facts against even the possibility of evolution are being ignored or talked around by evolutionists.


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legendary
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June 24, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
XinXan sorry blamed you when it was BADECKER ..Sorry  Wink

Good job of repentance, man. You're not excommunicated from the evolution church after all.

 Cheesy
But at least i will admit when i am WRONG you DON'T ..

So you will burn in hell Cheesy Cheesy It's a joke no such thing Wink
legendary
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June 24, 2017, 03:19:13 PM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



It doesn't matter, badecker will simply ignore what you said. We already explained to him what a scientific theory means and he keeps saying the same shit over and over again as if only things that have the label ''fact'' on them are actually useful. You will not convince a religious extremist like badecker of anything, he can't critically think.
Science THEORY is only what scientist believe what theory mean BUT i still think they are wrong Wink..
But ok IT'S CALLED SCIENCE JARGON  Wink.. But not the masses jargon  Grin

I thinks it's about science jargon to baffle the public with lies ..SCIENCE THEORY ..Yes it's fact in science but not in my world Wink..
And i am sure many feel the same about getting science scammed with science jargon..


Theory is not fact

Posted by Sarah Salviander

Whenever someone even hints at a criticism of Darwinism or “climate change,” the True Believers come out of the woodwork to try to shame the heretics. You can always tell who they are, because they say things like “climate change is a fact” or “evolution is a fact the same way gravity is a fact.” The implication here is, you wouldn’t be so dumb as to deny the reality of gravity, would you, so why are you denying the reality of evolution or climate change?

But here the True Believer shows his blind faith, for with his inability to distinguish between fact and theory he exposes himself as someone whose understanding of how science works doesn’t even rise to the level of middle school. Another way to describe this sort of blind faith is science fetishism. As I told the anklebiting commenter to Surak’s article, we do not permit people to fetishize science here.

A fact is something we observe; for example, that objects in free fall accelerate toward the Earth’s center at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 or that the Moon orbits the Earth with an average orbital speed of 3700 km/s. There is no doubt of the fact that objects fall toward each other, because we see it and measure it all the time; this is what the science fetishist means when he says “gravity is a fact.” But what he apparently doesn’t realize is that gravity is a theory. Theories are not facts, they are models that attempt to make sense of the facts. And, as it turns out, there are several theories of gravity that attempt to make sense of what we know: Newton’s universal law of gravitation, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, modified Newtonian dynamics, and so on. And, as we all know from the various scientific revolutions that have taken place in the last several hundred years, no theory is invulnerable to being overturned by new and better evidence or new ways of thinking.

When a science fetishist leaps into a conversation to tell you that evolution is a fact, the first thing you should tell him is that you are fully aware of the fact that different lifeforms have emerged over the course of the Earth’s natural history and that lifeforms have been observed to change over relatively short periods of time. And then ask him which theory explains it — microevolution, macroevolution, speciation, microbial evolution, or chemical evolution — and why. At that point you will expose what Hugh Ross describes as the evolution shell game when fetishists argue about evolution, wherein he will either substitute the facts of fossils and other evidence for theory or well-established forms of evolution for those that are not at all supported.

As for climate change as “fact,” I can only surmise that our True Believer is not aware that scientists — including the famous hockey stick guy, himself — are now finally admitting that there has been no significant warming in the last two decades. It’s only a matter of time before the whole edifice of human-caused “climate change” collapses.

UPDATE: im2l844 asks in the comments:

Do you have a concise response to the “consensus” argument that is invariably trotted out by the AGW faithful?

Yes, there are two responses: who cares? and what consensus?

Who cares if there’s a consensus? Reality isn’t decided by a vote. There was a time when 97% of scientists thought the Earth was the center of the universe, so that tells you the value of consensus.

The reality is, there isn’t a consensus about global warming or climate change or whatever the True Believer wants to call it. The 97% statistic that is invariably trotted out is based on a very small number of scientists polled — just 77 — who met the criteria for a 2-minute survey as part of a student’s thesis. What the True Believer either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that over 31,000 scientists from an array of scientific fields have signed a petition stating they believe “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”


You realize that what you posted there acknowledges that evolution theory is true but there are parts of it that are unknown? So what you posted there is helping us more than you. You think the theory of evolution is something invented by scientists for whatever reason? If so how are scientists able to apply evolution theory to so many things and make them work. Like:

Wider biology
The evolutionary approach is key to much current research in biology that does not set out to study evolution per se, especially in organismal biology and ecology. For example, evolutionary thinking is key to life history theory. Annotation of genes and their function relies heavily on comparative, that is evolutionary, approaches. The field of evolutionary developmental biology investigates how developmental processes work by using the comparative method to determine how they evolved.

Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony.

Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders. For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves. This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor. Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.

And even Computer science.
You do realise i don't deny EVOLUTION  Wink..So please stop THANK YOU Grin..

We have EVOLVED and that's a FACT,,Created by the EARTH not GODS Wink..

Now lets DO LOTS OF SCIENCE not lots of RELIGION lots of SCIENCE and we can fly around the universe  Grin..

What you missed my friend is we got onto the word THEORY and it's meaning in SCIENCE ..

But 100% life evolved ..We started at 1 point in time and then life SPREAD how is what we are still THEORISING  Wink..

But you would agree that a man like being never went zap and everything was so..I.E a SKY DADDY..Oh and all this in 6 DAYS..

And that's one reason why we have EVOLUTION THEORY because we know a man cannot make everything in 6 DAYS..

So STOP RIGHT NOW PLEASE Grin..Evolution is FACT..We have EVOLVED..BUT HOW is the BIG QUESTION..And it wasn't GODS..

I know that you are dedicated to your evolution religion. But it's about time that you figure out that it IS a religion.

Just think for a minute. The only reason you believe in evolution is because somebody else told you that it is true. You haven't calculated it all out for yourself, right?

Back in the Middle and Dark Ages, people believed the earth was flat, because the Church told it to them, and they didn't know any better. Was the Church telling the truth? NO! Flat earth was and is a hoax.

Was the Church completely wrong in everything it did? No! There are plenty of times that it helped people and sought out truth.

Same with science. Science has truthfully found that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. But they also know that evolution is a hoax. They are like the Church. They are making money off people believing in their hoax evolution religion.

And you are an evolution believer just like those jokers over in the "Flat Earth" thread are believers in flat earth.

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You have already been told what religion means but your bean brain can't seem to understand it. Religion is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental. Religions relate humanity to what anthropologist Clifford Geertz has referred to as a cosmic "order of existence".

Evolution is not about ethics or morals, it doesn't tell you what to do. It's just an explanation of nature, of course you won't understand this because your brain is not capable of it.

Oh, yes. That's right. You are so good. The dictionary has told me what religion means. From Dictionary.com
religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.

Did you notice #6 in the definition? I don't mean that the others don't necessarily fit the evolution religion. But #6 fits it nicely.

If evolution were at all truthful, it might barely slip out from under being a religion. But as I have shown you over and over, evolution is fake. It only exists in the minds of those who desire to believe in it. Evolution... a classic example of religion.

Cool
I watch loads of documentaries about nature and i lived by woods and farms and went to the beach BUT when i go the beach I have this thing about picking up shells and nice colour rocks

Smooth ones marble looking ones so when i get home i end up with a pocket full of shells and rocks

Yes i end up throwing them away but i get a interest by the colour and the smoothness
and the different shapes of the shells ..

Now by all this I KNOW FOR FACT ..YES FACT  ..That this planet never got made by a man like being that went ZAP and made this planet and all in it in 6 days AND 6000 years ago
I know it's been going way longer..

So Evolution is FACT Badecker ..

You must BE SO STUPID to believe a SKY DADDY MADE all this in 6 DAYS..

CRAZY to be honest  Cheesy Cheesy..

Look around you the EARTH is way older than 6000 YEARS Cheesy
legendary
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XinXan sorry blamed you when it was BADECKER ..Sorry  Wink

Good job of repentance, man. You're not excommunicated from the evolution church after all.

 Cheesy
legendary
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XinXan sorry blamed you when it was BADECKER ..Sorry  Wink
legendary
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People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



It doesn't matter, badecker will simply ignore what you said. We already explained to him what a scientific theory means and he keeps saying the same shit over and over again as if only things that have the label ''fact'' on them are actually useful. You will not convince a religious extremist like badecker of anything, he can't critically think.
Science THEORY is only what scientist believe what theory mean BUT i still think they are wrong Wink..
But ok IT'S CALLED SCIENCE JARGON  Wink.. But not the masses jargon  Grin

I thinks it's about science jargon to baffle the public with lies ..SCIENCE THEORY ..Yes it's fact in science but not in my world Wink..
And i am sure many feel the same about getting science scammed with science jargon..


Theory is not fact

Posted by Sarah Salviander

Whenever someone even hints at a criticism of Darwinism or “climate change,” the True Believers come out of the woodwork to try to shame the heretics. You can always tell who they are, because they say things like “climate change is a fact” or “evolution is a fact the same way gravity is a fact.” The implication here is, you wouldn’t be so dumb as to deny the reality of gravity, would you, so why are you denying the reality of evolution or climate change?

But here the True Believer shows his blind faith, for with his inability to distinguish between fact and theory he exposes himself as someone whose understanding of how science works doesn’t even rise to the level of middle school. Another way to describe this sort of blind faith is science fetishism. As I told the anklebiting commenter to Surak’s article, we do not permit people to fetishize science here.

A fact is something we observe; for example, that objects in free fall accelerate toward the Earth’s center at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 or that the Moon orbits the Earth with an average orbital speed of 3700 km/s. There is no doubt of the fact that objects fall toward each other, because we see it and measure it all the time; this is what the science fetishist means when he says “gravity is a fact.” But what he apparently doesn’t realize is that gravity is a theory. Theories are not facts, they are models that attempt to make sense of the facts. And, as it turns out, there are several theories of gravity that attempt to make sense of what we know: Newton’s universal law of gravitation, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, modified Newtonian dynamics, and so on. And, as we all know from the various scientific revolutions that have taken place in the last several hundred years, no theory is invulnerable to being overturned by new and better evidence or new ways of thinking.

When a science fetishist leaps into a conversation to tell you that evolution is a fact, the first thing you should tell him is that you are fully aware of the fact that different lifeforms have emerged over the course of the Earth’s natural history and that lifeforms have been observed to change over relatively short periods of time. And then ask him which theory explains it — microevolution, macroevolution, speciation, microbial evolution, or chemical evolution — and why. At that point you will expose what Hugh Ross describes as the evolution shell game when fetishists argue about evolution, wherein he will either substitute the facts of fossils and other evidence for theory or well-established forms of evolution for those that are not at all supported.

As for climate change as “fact,” I can only surmise that our True Believer is not aware that scientists — including the famous hockey stick guy, himself — are now finally admitting that there has been no significant warming in the last two decades. It’s only a matter of time before the whole edifice of human-caused “climate change” collapses.

UPDATE: im2l844 asks in the comments:

Do you have a concise response to the “consensus” argument that is invariably trotted out by the AGW faithful?

Yes, there are two responses: who cares? and what consensus?

Who cares if there’s a consensus? Reality isn’t decided by a vote. There was a time when 97% of scientists thought the Earth was the center of the universe, so that tells you the value of consensus.

The reality is, there isn’t a consensus about global warming or climate change or whatever the True Believer wants to call it. The 97% statistic that is invariably trotted out is based on a very small number of scientists polled — just 77 — who met the criteria for a 2-minute survey as part of a student’s thesis. What the True Believer either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that over 31,000 scientists from an array of scientific fields have signed a petition stating they believe “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”


You realize that what you posted there acknowledges that evolution theory is true but there are parts of it that are unknown? So what you posted there is helping us more than you. You think the theory of evolution is something invented by scientists for whatever reason? If so how are scientists able to apply evolution theory to so many things and make them work. Like:

Wider biology
The evolutionary approach is key to much current research in biology that does not set out to study evolution per se, especially in organismal biology and ecology. For example, evolutionary thinking is key to life history theory. Annotation of genes and their function relies heavily on comparative, that is evolutionary, approaches. The field of evolutionary developmental biology investigates how developmental processes work by using the comparative method to determine how they evolved.

Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony.

Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders. For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves. This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor. Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.

And even Computer science.
You do realise i don't deny EVOLUTION  Wink..So please stop THANK YOU Grin..

We have EVOLVED and that's a FACT,,Created by the EARTH not GODS Wink..

Now lets DO LOTS OF SCIENCE not lots of RELIGION lots of SCIENCE and we can fly around the universe  Grin..

What you missed my friend is we got onto the word THEORY and it's meaning in SCIENCE ..

But 100% life evolved ..We started at 1 point in time and then life SPREAD how is what we are still THEORISING  Wink..

But you would agree that a man like being never went zap and everything was so..I.E a SKY DADDY..Oh and all this in 6 DAYS..

And that's one reason why we have EVOLUTION THEORY because we know a man cannot make everything in 6 DAYS..

So STOP RIGHT NOW PLEASE Grin..Evolution is FACT..We have EVOLVED..BUT HOW is the BIG QUESTION..And it wasn't GODS..

I know that you are dedicated to your evolution religion. But it's about time that you figure out that it IS a religion.

Just think for a minute. The only reason you believe in evolution is because somebody else told you that it is true. You haven't calculated it all out for yourself, right?

Back in the Middle and Dark Ages, people believed the earth was flat, because the Church told it to them, and they didn't know any better. Was the Church telling the truth? NO! Flat earth was and is a hoax.

Was the Church completely wrong in everything it did? No! There are plenty of times that it helped people and sought out truth.

Same with science. Science has truthfully found that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. But they also know that evolution is a hoax. They are like the Church. They are making money off people believing in their hoax evolution religion.

And you are an evolution believer just like those jokers over in the "Flat Earth" thread are believers in flat earth.

Cool

You have already been told what religion means but your bean brain can't seem to understand it. Religion is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental. Religions relate humanity to what anthropologist Clifford Geertz has referred to as a cosmic "order of existence".

Evolution is not about ethics or morals, it doesn't tell you what to do. It's just an explanation of nature, of course you won't understand this because your brain is not capable of it.

Oh, yes. That's right. You are so good. The dictionary has told me what religion means. From Dictionary.com
religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.

Did you notice #6 in the definition? I don't mean that the others don't necessarily fit the evolution religion. But #6 fits it nicely.

If evolution were at all truthful, it might barely slip out from under being a religion. But as I have shown you over and over, evolution is fake. It only exists in the minds of those who desire to believe in it. Evolution... a classic example of religion.

Cool
legendary
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June 24, 2017, 12:39:10 PM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



It doesn't matter, badecker will simply ignore what you said. We already explained to him what a scientific theory means and he keeps saying the same shit over and over again as if only things that have the label ''fact'' on them are actually useful. You will not convince a religious extremist like badecker of anything, he can't critically think.
Science THEORY is only what scientist believe what theory mean BUT i still think they are wrong Wink..
But ok IT'S CALLED SCIENCE JARGON  Wink.. But not the masses jargon  Grin

I thinks it's about science jargon to baffle the public with lies ..SCIENCE THEORY ..Yes it's fact in science but not in my world Wink..
And i am sure many feel the same about getting science scammed with science jargon..


Theory is not fact

Posted by Sarah Salviander

Whenever someone even hints at a criticism of Darwinism or “climate change,” the True Believers come out of the woodwork to try to shame the heretics. You can always tell who they are, because they say things like “climate change is a fact” or “evolution is a fact the same way gravity is a fact.” The implication here is, you wouldn’t be so dumb as to deny the reality of gravity, would you, so why are you denying the reality of evolution or climate change?

But here the True Believer shows his blind faith, for with his inability to distinguish between fact and theory he exposes himself as someone whose understanding of how science works doesn’t even rise to the level of middle school. Another way to describe this sort of blind faith is science fetishism. As I told the anklebiting commenter to Surak’s article, we do not permit people to fetishize science here.

A fact is something we observe; for example, that objects in free fall accelerate toward the Earth’s center at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 or that the Moon orbits the Earth with an average orbital speed of 3700 km/s. There is no doubt of the fact that objects fall toward each other, because we see it and measure it all the time; this is what the science fetishist means when he says “gravity is a fact.” But what he apparently doesn’t realize is that gravity is a theory. Theories are not facts, they are models that attempt to make sense of the facts. And, as it turns out, there are several theories of gravity that attempt to make sense of what we know: Newton’s universal law of gravitation, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, modified Newtonian dynamics, and so on. And, as we all know from the various scientific revolutions that have taken place in the last several hundred years, no theory is invulnerable to being overturned by new and better evidence or new ways of thinking.

When a science fetishist leaps into a conversation to tell you that evolution is a fact, the first thing you should tell him is that you are fully aware of the fact that different lifeforms have emerged over the course of the Earth’s natural history and that lifeforms have been observed to change over relatively short periods of time. And then ask him which theory explains it — microevolution, macroevolution, speciation, microbial evolution, or chemical evolution — and why. At that point you will expose what Hugh Ross describes as the evolution shell game when fetishists argue about evolution, wherein he will either substitute the facts of fossils and other evidence for theory or well-established forms of evolution for those that are not at all supported.

As for climate change as “fact,” I can only surmise that our True Believer is not aware that scientists — including the famous hockey stick guy, himself — are now finally admitting that there has been no significant warming in the last two decades. It’s only a matter of time before the whole edifice of human-caused “climate change” collapses.

UPDATE: im2l844 asks in the comments:

Do you have a concise response to the “consensus” argument that is invariably trotted out by the AGW faithful?

Yes, there are two responses: who cares? and what consensus?

Who cares if there’s a consensus? Reality isn’t decided by a vote. There was a time when 97% of scientists thought the Earth was the center of the universe, so that tells you the value of consensus.

The reality is, there isn’t a consensus about global warming or climate change or whatever the True Believer wants to call it. The 97% statistic that is invariably trotted out is based on a very small number of scientists polled — just 77 — who met the criteria for a 2-minute survey as part of a student’s thesis. What the True Believer either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that over 31,000 scientists from an array of scientific fields have signed a petition stating they believe “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”


You realize that what you posted there acknowledges that evolution theory is true but there are parts of it that are unknown? So what you posted there is helping us more than you. You think the theory of evolution is something invented by scientists for whatever reason? If so how are scientists able to apply evolution theory to so many things and make them work. Like:

Wider biology
The evolutionary approach is key to much current research in biology that does not set out to study evolution per se, especially in organismal biology and ecology. For example, evolutionary thinking is key to life history theory. Annotation of genes and their function relies heavily on comparative, that is evolutionary, approaches. The field of evolutionary developmental biology investigates how developmental processes work by using the comparative method to determine how they evolved.

Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony.

Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders. For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves. This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor. Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.

And even Computer science.
You do realise i don't deny EVOLUTION  Wink..So please stop THANK YOU Grin..

We have EVOLVED and that's a FACT,,Created by the EARTH not GODS Wink..

Now lets DO LOTS OF SCIENCE not lots of RELIGION lots of SCIENCE and we can fly around the universe  Grin..

What you missed my friend is we got onto the word THEORY and it's meaning in SCIENCE ..

But 100% life evolved ..We started at 1 point in time and then life SPREAD how is what we are still THEORISING  Wink..

But you would agree that a man like being never went zap and everything was so..I.E a SKY DADDY..Oh and all this in 6 DAYS..

And that's one reason why we have EVOLUTION THEORY because we know a man cannot make everything in 6 DAYS..

So STOP RIGHT NOW PLEASE Grin..Evolution is FACT..We have EVOLVED..BUT HOW is the BIG QUESTION..And it wasn't GODS..

I know that you are dedicated to your evolution religion. But it's about time that you figure out that it IS a religion.

Just think for a minute. The only reason you believe in evolution is because somebody else told you that it is true. You haven't calculated it all out for yourself, right?

Back in the Middle and Dark Ages, people believed the earth was flat, because the Church told it to them, and they didn't know any better. Was the Church telling the truth? NO! Flat earth was and is a hoax.

Was the Church completely wrong in everything it did? No! There are plenty of times that it helped people and sought out truth.

Same with science. Science has truthfully found that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. But they also know that evolution is a hoax. They are like the Church. They are making money off people believing in their hoax evolution religion.

And you are an evolution believer just like those jokers over in the "Flat Earth" thread are believers in flat earth.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 1218
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June 24, 2017, 12:01:52 PM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



It doesn't matter, badecker will simply ignore what you said. We already explained to him what a scientific theory means and he keeps saying the same shit over and over again as if only things that have the label ''fact'' on them are actually useful. You will not convince a religious extremist like badecker of anything, he can't critically think.
Science THEORY is only what scientist believe what theory mean BUT i still think they are wrong Wink..
But ok IT'S CALLED SCIENCE JARGON  Wink.. But not the masses jargon  Grin

I thinks it's about science jargon to baffle the public with lies ..SCIENCE THEORY ..Yes it's fact in science but not in my world Wink..
And i am sure many feel the same about getting science scammed with science jargon..


Theory is not fact

Posted by Sarah Salviander

Whenever someone even hints at a criticism of Darwinism or “climate change,” the True Believers come out of the woodwork to try to shame the heretics. You can always tell who they are, because they say things like “climate change is a fact” or “evolution is a fact the same way gravity is a fact.” The implication here is, you wouldn’t be so dumb as to deny the reality of gravity, would you, so why are you denying the reality of evolution or climate change?

But here the True Believer shows his blind faith, for with his inability to distinguish between fact and theory he exposes himself as someone whose understanding of how science works doesn’t even rise to the level of middle school. Another way to describe this sort of blind faith is science fetishism. As I told the anklebiting commenter to Surak’s article, we do not permit people to fetishize science here.

A fact is something we observe; for example, that objects in free fall accelerate toward the Earth’s center at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 or that the Moon orbits the Earth with an average orbital speed of 3700 km/s. There is no doubt of the fact that objects fall toward each other, because we see it and measure it all the time; this is what the science fetishist means when he says “gravity is a fact.” But what he apparently doesn’t realize is that gravity is a theory. Theories are not facts, they are models that attempt to make sense of the facts. And, as it turns out, there are several theories of gravity that attempt to make sense of what we know: Newton’s universal law of gravitation, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, modified Newtonian dynamics, and so on. And, as we all know from the various scientific revolutions that have taken place in the last several hundred years, no theory is invulnerable to being overturned by new and better evidence or new ways of thinking.

When a science fetishist leaps into a conversation to tell you that evolution is a fact, the first thing you should tell him is that you are fully aware of the fact that different lifeforms have emerged over the course of the Earth’s natural history and that lifeforms have been observed to change over relatively short periods of time. And then ask him which theory explains it — microevolution, macroevolution, speciation, microbial evolution, or chemical evolution — and why. At that point you will expose what Hugh Ross describes as the evolution shell game when fetishists argue about evolution, wherein he will either substitute the facts of fossils and other evidence for theory or well-established forms of evolution for those that are not at all supported.

As for climate change as “fact,” I can only surmise that our True Believer is not aware that scientists — including the famous hockey stick guy, himself — are now finally admitting that there has been no significant warming in the last two decades. It’s only a matter of time before the whole edifice of human-caused “climate change” collapses.

UPDATE: im2l844 asks in the comments:

Do you have a concise response to the “consensus” argument that is invariably trotted out by the AGW faithful?

Yes, there are two responses: who cares? and what consensus?

Who cares if there’s a consensus? Reality isn’t decided by a vote. There was a time when 97% of scientists thought the Earth was the center of the universe, so that tells you the value of consensus.

The reality is, there isn’t a consensus about global warming or climate change or whatever the True Believer wants to call it. The 97% statistic that is invariably trotted out is based on a very small number of scientists polled — just 77 — who met the criteria for a 2-minute survey as part of a student’s thesis. What the True Believer either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that over 31,000 scientists from an array of scientific fields have signed a petition stating they believe “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”


You realize that what you posted there acknowledges that evolution theory is true but there are parts of it that are unknown? So what you posted there is helping us more than you. You think the theory of evolution is something invented by scientists for whatever reason? If so how are scientists able to apply evolution theory to so many things and make them work. Like:

Wider biology
The evolutionary approach is key to much current research in biology that does not set out to study evolution per se, especially in organismal biology and ecology. For example, evolutionary thinking is key to life history theory. Annotation of genes and their function relies heavily on comparative, that is evolutionary, approaches. The field of evolutionary developmental biology investigates how developmental processes work by using the comparative method to determine how they evolved.

Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony.

Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders. For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves. This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor. Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.

And even Computer science.
You do realise i don't deny EVOLUTION  Wink..So please stop THANK YOU Grin..

We have EVOLVED and that's a FACT,,Created by the EARTH not GODS Wink..

Now lets DO LOTS OF SCIENCE not lots of RELIGION lots of SCIENCE and we can fly around the universe  Grin..

What you missed my friend is we got onto the word THEORY and it's meaning in SCIENCE ..

But 100% life evolved ..We started at 1 point in time and then life SPREAD how is what we are still THEORISING  Wink..

But you would agree that a man like being never went zap and everything was so..I.E a SKY DADDY..Oh and all this in 6 DAYS..

And that's one reason why we have EVOLUTION THEORY because we know a man cannot make everything in 6 DAYS..

So STOP RIGHT NOW PLEASE Grin..Evolution is FACT..We have EVOLVED..BUT HOW is the BIG QUESTION..And it wasn't GODS..
hero member
Activity: 1064
Merit: 505
June 24, 2017, 03:45:51 AM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



It doesn't matter, badecker will simply ignore what you said. We already explained to him what a scientific theory means and he keeps saying the same shit over and over again as if only things that have the label ''fact'' on them are actually useful. You will not convince a religious extremist like badecker of anything, he can't critically think.
Science THEORY is only what scientist believe what theory mean BUT i still think they are wrong Wink..
But ok IT'S CALLED SCIENCE JARGON  Wink.. But not the masses jargon  Grin

I thinks it's about science jargon to baffle the public with lies ..SCIENCE THEORY ..Yes it's fact in science but not in my world Wink..
And i am sure many feel the same about getting science scammed with science jargon..


Theory is not fact

Posted by Sarah Salviander

Whenever someone even hints at a criticism of Darwinism or “climate change,” the True Believers come out of the woodwork to try to shame the heretics. You can always tell who they are, because they say things like “climate change is a fact” or “evolution is a fact the same way gravity is a fact.” The implication here is, you wouldn’t be so dumb as to deny the reality of gravity, would you, so why are you denying the reality of evolution or climate change?

But here the True Believer shows his blind faith, for with his inability to distinguish between fact and theory he exposes himself as someone whose understanding of how science works doesn’t even rise to the level of middle school. Another way to describe this sort of blind faith is science fetishism. As I told the anklebiting commenter to Surak’s article, we do not permit people to fetishize science here.

A fact is something we observe; for example, that objects in free fall accelerate toward the Earth’s center at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 or that the Moon orbits the Earth with an average orbital speed of 3700 km/s. There is no doubt of the fact that objects fall toward each other, because we see it and measure it all the time; this is what the science fetishist means when he says “gravity is a fact.” But what he apparently doesn’t realize is that gravity is a theory. Theories are not facts, they are models that attempt to make sense of the facts. And, as it turns out, there are several theories of gravity that attempt to make sense of what we know: Newton’s universal law of gravitation, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, modified Newtonian dynamics, and so on. And, as we all know from the various scientific revolutions that have taken place in the last several hundred years, no theory is invulnerable to being overturned by new and better evidence or new ways of thinking.

When a science fetishist leaps into a conversation to tell you that evolution is a fact, the first thing you should tell him is that you are fully aware of the fact that different lifeforms have emerged over the course of the Earth’s natural history and that lifeforms have been observed to change over relatively short periods of time. And then ask him which theory explains it — microevolution, macroevolution, speciation, microbial evolution, or chemical evolution — and why. At that point you will expose what Hugh Ross describes as the evolution shell game when fetishists argue about evolution, wherein he will either substitute the facts of fossils and other evidence for theory or well-established forms of evolution for those that are not at all supported.

As for climate change as “fact,” I can only surmise that our True Believer is not aware that scientists — including the famous hockey stick guy, himself — are now finally admitting that there has been no significant warming in the last two decades. It’s only a matter of time before the whole edifice of human-caused “climate change” collapses.

UPDATE: im2l844 asks in the comments:

Do you have a concise response to the “consensus” argument that is invariably trotted out by the AGW faithful?

Yes, there are two responses: who cares? and what consensus?

Who cares if there’s a consensus? Reality isn’t decided by a vote. There was a time when 97% of scientists thought the Earth was the center of the universe, so that tells you the value of consensus.

The reality is, there isn’t a consensus about global warming or climate change or whatever the True Believer wants to call it. The 97% statistic that is invariably trotted out is based on a very small number of scientists polled — just 77 — who met the criteria for a 2-minute survey as part of a student’s thesis. What the True Believer either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that over 31,000 scientists from an array of scientific fields have signed a petition stating they believe “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”


You realize that what you posted there acknowledges that evolution theory is true but there are parts of it that are unknown? So what you posted there is helping us more than you. You think the theory of evolution is something invented by scientists for whatever reason? If so how are scientists able to apply evolution theory to so many things and make them work. Like:

Wider biology
The evolutionary approach is key to much current research in biology that does not set out to study evolution per se, especially in organismal biology and ecology. For example, evolutionary thinking is key to life history theory. Annotation of genes and their function relies heavily on comparative, that is evolutionary, approaches. The field of evolutionary developmental biology investigates how developmental processes work by using the comparative method to determine how they evolved.

Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony.

Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders. For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves. This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor. Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.

And even Computer science.
legendary
Activity: 1218
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June 23, 2017, 05:33:04 PM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



It doesn't matter, badecker will simply ignore what you said. We already explained to him what a scientific theory means and he keeps saying the same shit over and over again as if only things that have the label ''fact'' on them are actually useful. You will not convince a religious extremist like badecker of anything, he can't critically think.
Science THEORY is only what scientist believe what theory mean BUT i still think they are wrong Wink..
But ok IT'S CALLED SCIENCE JARGON  Wink.. But not the masses jargon  Grin

I thinks it's about science jargon to baffle the public with lies ..SCIENCE THEORY ..Yes it's fact in science but not in my world Wink..
And i am sure many feel the same about getting science scammed with science jargon..


Theory is not fact

Posted by Sarah Salviander

Whenever someone even hints at a criticism of Darwinism or “climate change,” the True Believers come out of the woodwork to try to shame the heretics. You can always tell who they are, because they say things like “climate change is a fact” or “evolution is a fact the same way gravity is a fact.” The implication here is, you wouldn’t be so dumb as to deny the reality of gravity, would you, so why are you denying the reality of evolution or climate change?

But here the True Believer shows his blind faith, for with his inability to distinguish between fact and theory he exposes himself as someone whose understanding of how science works doesn’t even rise to the level of middle school. Another way to describe this sort of blind faith is science fetishism. As I told the anklebiting commenter to Surak’s article, we do not permit people to fetishize science here.

A fact is something we observe; for example, that objects in free fall accelerate toward the Earth’s center at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 or that the Moon orbits the Earth with an average orbital speed of 3700 km/s. There is no doubt of the fact that objects fall toward each other, because we see it and measure it all the time; this is what the science fetishist means when he says “gravity is a fact.” But what he apparently doesn’t realize is that gravity is a theory. Theories are not facts, they are models that attempt to make sense of the facts. And, as it turns out, there are several theories of gravity that attempt to make sense of what we know: Newton’s universal law of gravitation, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, modified Newtonian dynamics, and so on. And, as we all know from the various scientific revolutions that have taken place in the last several hundred years, no theory is invulnerable to being overturned by new and better evidence or new ways of thinking.

When a science fetishist leaps into a conversation to tell you that evolution is a fact, the first thing you should tell him is that you are fully aware of the fact that different lifeforms have emerged over the course of the Earth’s natural history and that lifeforms have been observed to change over relatively short periods of time. And then ask him which theory explains it — microevolution, macroevolution, speciation, microbial evolution, or chemical evolution — and why. At that point you will expose what Hugh Ross describes as the evolution shell game when fetishists argue about evolution, wherein he will either substitute the facts of fossils and other evidence for theory or well-established forms of evolution for those that are not at all supported.

As for climate change as “fact,” I can only surmise that our True Believer is not aware that scientists — including the famous hockey stick guy, himself — are now finally admitting that there has been no significant warming in the last two decades. It’s only a matter of time before the whole edifice of human-caused “climate change” collapses.

UPDATE: im2l844 asks in the comments:

Do you have a concise response to the “consensus” argument that is invariably trotted out by the AGW faithful?

Yes, there are two responses: who cares? and what consensus?

Who cares if there’s a consensus? Reality isn’t decided by a vote. There was a time when 97% of scientists thought the Earth was the center of the universe, so that tells you the value of consensus.

The reality is, there isn’t a consensus about global warming or climate change or whatever the True Believer wants to call it. The 97% statistic that is invariably trotted out is based on a very small number of scientists polled — just 77 — who met the criteria for a 2-minute survey as part of a student’s thesis. What the True Believer either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that over 31,000 scientists from an array of scientific fields have signed a petition stating they believe “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”
legendary
Activity: 1218
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June 23, 2017, 05:12:41 PM
Look you know i am right so stop please ..

Lets just agree to disagree.. Grin

I say a science theory is not fact because they even use the word theory in the sentence ..

You are still being intentionally ignorant, so I'll clarify again

A fact is one piece a data... a theory is a collection of data... it could never be called the "fact of evolution" because there is more than 1 piece of data... the best it gets is the "theory of evolution"

I'm sorry you fail to understand the word theory in a scientific context... theory is the BEST it gets, it does not get any better... you cannot prove it more than theory... theory means it is proven beyond any reasonable doubt

There is zero debate whether scientific theory should be treated as fact or "just a hunch"... among scientists, anything called a theory can be relied upon to be an accurate description of reality... scientists will stake their life on a theory (and do so every day)... theory does not mean hypothesis... theory means it has been proven as well as possible given the entirety of information available to the planet... and zero people have come up with a justifiable reason to doubt the theory

So yes, a scientific theory is a reliable fact that explains the data and predicts future outcomes with 100% reliability... scientists do not debate this, because they all understand this simple concept

If a theory could not 100% reliably predict future outcomes, it would be downgraded to a hypothesis, and not called a theory

Scientists don't debate evolution because there isn't really anything to debate... It's a collection of facts from several different sciences leading to an obvious conclusion...
It fucking you ..

STUPID CUNT..A theory is not FACT  SO FUCK OFF CUNT..

STUPID FUCKERS..

lol, rofl, lmao

You mad bro?

You want to debate, or just call each other a cunt?

LMFAO
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..Well did you all change science theory for me on this glorious day Grin

You want to debate, or just call each other a cunt? BOTH Grin.. Cheesy Sorry if i offended you  Wink
Your right in what you say ..I am wrong in the fact SCIENCE THEORY is fact in SCIENCE..

But why WHEN IT'S NOT  Cheesy..Land or sea misty rock or clouds ..

YOUR RIGHT i am WRONG..

I bricklayer So no scientist ..BUT i do wonder why when many theories just tuen out to be just THEORIES and not FACT..

But ok I LOST this DEBATE..You CUNT Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..



legendary
Activity: 4046
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June 23, 2017, 02:55:34 PM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



You can make a scientific theory that looks very good. But if you ignore all the things that are against it, and do not examine your theory with regards to all those things, you theory is not really a theory.

Google for topics that show how the evolution theory is impossible. There are many. Their rebuttal is inconclusive, while they show how evolution is impossible. Several of these are:
1. Cause and effect in everything show that any change in nature was programmed;
2. Probability math that suggests that all the necessary parts of a living cell can never come together in such a way that will actually produce life, or change it;
3. Irreducible Complexity shows that there are a bunch of "gaps" without purpose between the formation of complex body parts... gaps that go against natural selection;
4. The longer something sits around (billions of years) the greater the chance for corrosion of some or all of its parts;
5. There is not one piece of nature that can be pointed to and said to be evolution for a fact; all evolving objects can be shown to be changing for reasons other than evolution;
6. No missing links have been found where it can be proven that they are missing links; the few such supposed fossil links can be attributed to other things than evolution; such links can be situated on one big table they are so few, but there should be buildings full of them if evolution really happened.

Search and you will see that these and many other important facts against even the possibility of evolution are being ignored or talked around by evolutionists.

Cool
hero member
Activity: 798
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June 23, 2017, 02:11:26 PM
Look you know i am right so stop please ..

Lets just agree to disagree.. Grin

I say a science theory is not fact because they even use the word theory in the sentence ..

You are still being intentionally ignorant, so I'll clarify again

A fact is one piece a data... a theory is a collection of data... it could never be called the "fact of evolution" because there is more than 1 piece of data... the best it gets is the "theory of evolution"

I'm sorry you fail to understand the word theory in a scientific context... theory is the BEST it gets, it does not get any better... you cannot prove it more than theory... theory means it is proven beyond any reasonable doubt

There is zero debate whether scientific theory should be treated as fact or "just a hunch"... among scientists, anything called a theory can be relied upon to be an accurate description of reality... scientists will stake their life on a theory (and do so every day)... theory does not mean hypothesis... theory means it has been proven as well as possible given the entirety of information available to the planet... and zero people have come up with a justifiable reason to doubt the theory

So yes, a scientific theory is a reliable fact that explains the data and predicts future outcomes with 100% reliability... scientists do not debate this, because they all understand this simple concept

If a theory could not 100% reliably predict future outcomes, it would be downgraded to a hypothesis, and not called a theory

Scientists don't debate evolution because there isn't really anything to debate... It's a collection of facts from several different sciences leading to an obvious conclusion...
It fucking you ..

STUPID CUNT..A theory is not FACT  SO FUCK OFF CUNT..

STUPID FUCKERS..

lol, rofl, lmao

You mad bro?

You want to debate, or just call each other a cunt?

LMFAO
hero member
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Merit: 645
June 23, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.



It doesn't matter, badecker will simply ignore what you said. We already explained to him what a scientific theory means and he keeps saying the same shit over and over again as if only things that have the label ''fact'' on them are actually useful. You will not convince a religious extremist like badecker of anything, he can't critically think.
sr. member
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June 23, 2017, 12:06:07 PM
People accepting things doesn't make fact.
Scientists only accept hypothesis when they are fully tested and become scientific theories. Their acceptance includes rigorous testing of the hypothesis BEFORE it is ever called a scientific theory.

What matters is what is truth.
A quick survey of what most people really prize, even in this thread, would disabuse us of that notion. Comfort rather than knowledge seems to be the currency.

God tells us truth about evolution in the Bible.
I won't argue about specifics of what God says or does not say, frankly religion shouldn't enter the debate at all. However, given that you and others have demonstrated a lack of understanding of not only what evolution actually is but also elementary science concepts how would you be able to discern anything God says as relating to evolution at all? If God is speaking about evolution in the bible how would you even understand it?

Evolution tells us truth right within the fact that it is theory - not known to be factual.
"Scientific theory" NOT "theory". Scientific theories are factual. They describe observed reality. They have been tested. They are fact not conjecture. The conjecture part of science is called the "hypothesis".

Science tells us truth in the fact that it shows evolution to be impossible.

I suspect your personal definition of "science" does not track with what the word actually means because otherwise your statement is flat out false.

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